THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....
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Vince, and Triple H really do thing that Bryan is amazing talent but he isn't moving any merchandise or numbers. So there isn't a reason to push him any further than he is today. So he might get a title run but he will never be the face of the company.
Someone please tell Dave this so he stops thinking I hate Bryan lol
Just how many world champs other than Hogan, Warrior, Austin, Rock, Triple H only moved DX merch, Mysterio, and Cena have moved merchandise? I'm sure it's a very short list. Reigns doesn't have any personality or character at this point to push to the moon. Cena got over with the thuganomics character then evolved into what he is now. Reigns isn't going to move merchandise. At least Bryan is a money draw.
Nonsense.
If he's not able to work, he wouldn't be in the ring at all.
Brock has worked with Cena three times and Rollins once and hurt neither of them so he's not dangerous. Stiff but not dangerous. Taker's 50 yrs old and fragile as shit.
What shows how much bullshit that excuse is that they did this to Bryan last year and Randy Orton was champ. What was the excuse then?
Vince doesn't want Bryan to be a superstar. He sees Bryan as a B player and he knows what fans want better than fans.
That's it. He doesn't care about his safety. He just doesn't want to push him.
If it was anything else, why isn't he at least scheduled for a major match at Mania?
The fact that of all the matches he's worked since coming back, the only person hurt has been Taker, a guy who got hurt wrestling HHH a couple years prior.
Yep.
More nonsense.
Where are the Reigns t-shirts and action figures? I've seen tons of Yes! shirts and ratings for Smackdown have gone up since Bryan has been the focus of the show.
I never said you hate Bryan. I don't care about stuff like that.
You used faulty logic and created a whole lie for why Vince keeps screwing over this guy and flipping a middle finger to a majority of his fans.
Yep. I like the guy and think he could be a huge star for WWE but not now.
It's funny to me to see Vince do this again, not just to Bryan. He pulled this on Bret. Instead of giving Bret time to establish his run, he was already pushing Shawn Michaels. He did that to Bret twice with Shawn and once with Diesel.
On the TNA front
TNA SIGNING UPDATE (SPOILERS)
by Mike Johnson @ 7:30 PM on 1/29/2015
Drew Galloway/McIntyre has signed with TNA and will be appearing on the remainder of the UK tour dates. The two sides had been talking going back at least 4-5 weeks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=730UajdoZ0Y
They've also brought back Mickie James. I hope she's ready to go because Gail, Tarryn, Kong, and HAVOK have been going hard.
TNA SIGNING UPDATE (SPOILERS)
by Mike Johnson @ 7:30 PM on 1/29/2015
Drew Galloway/McIntyre has signed with TNA and will be appearing on the remainder of the UK tour dates. The two sides had been talking going back at least 4-5 weeks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=730UajdoZ0Y
They've also brought back Mickie James. I hope she's ready to go because Gail, Tarryn, Kong, and HAVOK have been going hard.
or it might involve Curtis Axel saying how he was never eliminated from the Rumble
or it might involve Curtis Axel saying how he was never eliminated from the Rumble
The REAL 2015 Royal Rumble winner
His contract expired and he didn't resign. I'm interested in seeing if he signs with the WWE and if he ends up working backstage as an agent or as a trainer with developmental.
Yeah man I don't know if its rust or what but Daniel Bryan ain't moving around that ring like he did pre-injury. Cat looking winded too so I assumed it was rust. HE definitely not ready to headline shit.
Probably a big reason in why they had him lose so early in the Royal Rumble.
That shocked me too. I'm not a big TNA watcher so I assumed he was on their programming. He was the last time I saw that program.
You must not have kids cuz it took all sorts of mess for me to get my son a reigns toy, everytime they got a batch they were sold out. Dudes a lot more popular than u think.
Bryan IMHO isn't the best in the wwe and it's crazy to think he's more popular than cena. Niggas go out their way to hate cena, nobody in their right mind is gonna put Bryan on that pedistal with Austin, rock, hogan, and cena. You've gotta be kiddin me bruh
Bryan may not have the star power of Cena and he isn't as good of a promo but he is a better wrestler than Cena. As for the hate Cena has done it to himself with the corny ass jokes, the clowning of opponents that marginalizes them, and his inability to lose damn near any match clean. The Super Cena routine wore out its welcome years ago. The same shit happened with Hulk Hogan and he became popular once again when he reinvented himself as Hollywood Hogan. Cena reinvented himself by going from doing the F.U. as his finisher to doing the Attitude Adjustment as his finisher. But he does still do the shittiest version of the STF ever.
Reigns doesn't suck but they fail to realize is that when you shove somebody's throat and tell them what they want instead of letting them, the consumer, tell you what they want they're going to rebel.
Bryan isnt as popular (or as polarizing as him either) no one is. But by far Bryan is the 2nd biggest babyface on the roster. It isnt even close but he gets used like a second class mid-carder.
All the hate on Reigns aint about his limitations and the that fans most like him. They just like Bryan better. What was the point of promoting DB return only for him to him uncermoniously eliminated?
Its about cats like Bryan, Ziggler, Ceasaro, Ambrose & Mizdow. WHo have gotten over on their own, turned chicken salad outta chick shit and their reward is being treated like second class citizen while Vince and company do same shit like its 1989 and we are in the middle of the Hulkmania era.
i really wish there was a legit number organization out there that would push Vince and serve as a legit alternative.
Look how over Ambrose is and look at him now.
look how over Caesar was during the peak King of Swing and look at him now
shit even cats like Fandango & Ryder get over the company buries them.
All the hate on Reigns aint about his limitations and the that fans most like him. They just like Bryan better. What was the point of promoting DB return only for him to him uncermoniously eliminated?
Its about cats like Bryan, Ziggler, Ceasaro, Ambrose & Mizdow. WHo have gotten over on their own, turned chicken salad outta chick shit and their reward is being treated like second class citizen while Vince and company do same shit like its 1989 and we are in the middle of the Hulkmania era.
i really wish there was a legit number organization out there that would push Vince and serve as a legit alternative.
Look how over Ambrose is and look at him now.
look how over Caesar was during the peak King of Swing and look at him now
shit even cats like Fandango & Ryder get over the company buries them.
I've said it before & I stick to it...instead of Smackdown, just reopen WCW. Run it independently of the E. There's enough history, titles, & events to get it going. 1 cable show, one regular tv show, one major event per quarter...reduced schedule=less house shows & give options for the fans. Though they don't wanna spend the money...just a dream.
Its weird, like how Vince talked that shit about the "brass ring", but guys who got their own heat are like punished for it. Cesaro was red hot & after that match w/ Raw on Cena...he was pushing white. They should've given him the Cena program into Mania. It's like they resent guys who can get themselves over w/o the company's help.
I agree and disagree, cena has lost plenty matches fair and square hell Brock just beat the shit outta him fair and square.
You are right about roman tho I felt they were forcing him earlier last year when dude was spearing someone to end raw like 4 weeks in a row lol. But that's not his fault and that's why he still gets cheered because he's a good guy and likable it's just Vince only knows good guys win 99% of the times and when they lose its because u cheated. But call it fair because Bryan was getting booked similar before he got hurt, good guy gets beat up and wins routine is just all Vince knows honestly, so yeah he needs to fall back. Idk how that is the same guy who was behind Austins run because even tho Austin won more than lost he still had times where Vince got the upper hand, now it's like he's so possessed with kids loving ppl he forgets that.
Who else? Brock beating him like that was so big because that hasn't happened since Cena won the World Title for the 1rst time. And by like that I don't mean just dominating him but beating him as cleanly as possible. And when Cena wins it never comes off or is presented as a fluke or as if he got lucky. Ultimately he looks dominant 99% of the time. And him not giving the rub to those who associate with him doesn't help him either.
The time to do that was when they purchased WCW. A hugely wasted investment other than the dvd sales. The Invasion angle was a complete waste of the acquisition.
Smackdown can be it's on entity. We all remember when Smackdown was the more interesting show. Benoit, Jericho, Rey Mysterio, Brock, Angle, Matt Hardy V1, Eddie & Chavo with the lie, cheat, and steal gimmick. Those were the great days of Smackdown. They had the better workers over Raw's.
Bryan got the clean win but the story told before the match was about just how bad Cena's elbow was messed up and how it was so bad that he had no business fighting in the match anyway. I don't remember Punk ever getting a clean win either. The closest thing that I can remember was the match after the "Pipe Bomb" promo where Cena walked into a GTS after going outside the ring to stop Vince McMahon interference and their next match at Summerslam when Cena's foot was on the bottom rope when the 3 count was made.
The have allowed Batista to show some level of dominance against Cena and it always worked to the feuds advantage.
Nope.
If they were worried about his wind, have him come in later. He just worked a long--too long--casket match with Kane.
Batista came back after years off and went straight to a main event at Mania.
You guys are making excuses even WWE knows don't stand up under the slightest scrutiny.
Vince doesn't like Daniel Bryan or at least doesn't want him to be a main eventer. That's it.
He's as popular as I think he is: very. He's just not the most popular or second most popular guy there.
I haven't said Bryan was on the same level as any of those guys but that's because he hasn't been given the opportunity or treated like any of those guys. He's very much like Bret was in the early 90s: he gets his opportunities because someone quits or fails or gets in trouble but as soon as Vince can find a replacement, he's out.
Who's better in WWE right now?
And he doesn't have Cena's star power because they won't let him have him time. Cena didn't come in a superstar, they made him one.
They are purposely trying to not make Daniel Bryan one but WWE fans won't let them.
Its weird, like how Vince talked that shit about the "brass ring", but guys who got their own heat are like punished for it. Cesaro was red hot & after that match w/ Raw on Cena...he was pushing white. They should've given him the Cena program into Mania. It's like they resent guys who can get themselves over w/o the company's help.
No he hasn't. He's lost once cleanly since the Rock beat him.
I actually don't have a problem with that but no one ever gets the upper hand on him. He's never vulnerable. He doesn't even get pinned in 6 man and tag team matches.
Daniel Bryan can cut promos, he's just not good at scripted bullshit they give him. He might need to be a little less Daniel Bryan and more Bryan Danielson.
http://uproxx.com/prowrestling/2015/01/five-years-ago-daniel-bryan-explained-why-everyones-so-pissed-about-the-2015-royal-rumble/
Not so fast...
I was AT Wrestlemania last year, and ALL you could hear any and everywhere was "Yes!" chants, and most of the shirts that I saw were Daniel Bryan, Macho Man, and THEN John Cena. You could barely hear a "Let's go Cena/Cena sucks" every now and then in between more "Yes!" chants, and this is pop for a guy who doesn't get half the exposure or push that Cena does. That has always been a clear and unmistakable green light to push a wrestler, when he gets that much pure organic pop. That's why Vince snatched Hogan from Verne Gagne in the first place, because Hogan was getting that same kind of pop but Gagne was burying him in favor of more established guys, but now Vince has BECOME Verne Gagne and is making the same mistakes that Verne made. Vince used to be KNOWN for being able to spot the hottest new talent by gauging the fan's reaction. That's how (undersized) Bret and HBK got over in the first place. He just doesn't have it anymore, though.
Bottom line: Vince is getting too old for this shit. He needs to let HHH fully take over operations asap. HHH already has made NXT into the best show that they have as far as quality, and Raw and Smackdown continue to decline in quality week by week. When your product starts to become inferior, it's not long before sales start to really reflect that.
No need. They've decided to become WCW, at least in the booking.
Orton was at Survivor Series and the Rumble, dressed out and they decided to not use him. That's some WCW shit.
You got some history sideways (Hogan had left the AWA and was in Japan when Vince got him) but you're exactly right on Vince being too old and becoming just like the guys he put out of business.
I'll give him credit for Shawn but not Bret. He didn't want Bret either. But he was in the middle of a steroid trial and expanding overseas where Bret was very popular. Once all of that was over, he went with Diesel and groomed Shawn as a fallback. Bret was always the "Oh, ___ didn't work out? Fuck it, let Bret hold the belt for a while" guy.
That's the sad part, the things that killed WCW are playing out on WWE programming weekly. TNA's failure has allowed them to keep it up and act as if it's not a problem.
You're right about Bret.
10 Best Ever Counters To WWE Finishers
http://whatculture.com/wwe/10-best-ever-counters-to-wwe-finishers.php
#7. Springboard into the Walls Of Jericho.
#4. GTA into Fameasser
#2. Springboard into Sweet Chin Music
I remember watching when this happened.
#1. Shooting Star into an RKO
http://whatculture.com/wwe/10-best-ever-counters-to-wwe-finishers.php
#7. Springboard into the Walls Of Jericho.
#4. GTA into Fameasser
#2. Springboard into Sweet Chin Music
I remember watching when this happened.
#1. Shooting Star into an RKO
Hogan was in Japan when he was originally with WWE BEFORE he joined AWA (WWE and New Japan Pro Wrestling had a business relationship where they shared talent at that time). He was pretty green at that point, though. After that, he joined the AWA around the time he did Rocky 3. Later on, Vince Jr. snatched him back (he had recently took over the company from Daddy Vince around that time), and that's what I was referring to.
I hate how he did Bret, cause I was always a serious Bret Hart fan. You're right, though. He never liked Bret too much. That Diesel push was influenced a lot by the Kliq, though.
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Me too, dude was a tactician in the ring. He was a true pro wrestler & we see how Vince has strayed from pro wrestling...the death of territories has allowed it
Me too, dude was a tactician in the ring. He was a true pro wrestler & we see how Vince has strayed from pro wrestling...the death of territories has allowed it
I agree from guest hosts to the fuckin muppets calling shots on raw Vince shows his input still means too much
Which would be okay if he still had it... but he doesn't.
Lmao hogan's chest/stomach hair shape up
