The ‘Would You Trade Wiggins for Love?’ Shootaround

[largebillsonlyplease]

Ummm...

...purely in terms of offensive skill-set, I'm not seeing how Duncan is so superior to K. Love.

Defensively? Absolutely.

Offensively, I don't know about all of that.

lol

bro


the only thing kevin love can do offensively better than duncan is shoot a 3 point shot.

that is it.

man

lol

just lol

Duncan came out the gate with at least 4 go to post moves.. 4 ... since his rookie year and added more... love doesn't even have 1.

the hook?
off backboard?
man
im not here to shit on love, love does his thing quick jumping to get offensive rebounds and shooting 3's and shit

but duncan? there was literally no way you could stop duncan..

shit
even NOW if they gave him the ball enough and he played enough minutes at 36 years old he would get you 20 and 10 a night easy

at 36

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Are we actually trying to compare Kevin Love to Tim Duncan?

Is that what I'm reading?

I can't believe dudes are in here comparing the 2. Love isn't better than duncan offensively.. he can shoot the 3 that's it. but duncan in the post eats everybody in love's entire existence alive.

Klay is "ready now" but what does that really mean though?

Either way the Wolves ain't about to make no noise anytime soon

Take the better prospect

what is klay ready as? lol

he still can't dribble....

 

[TheChoiceIsYours]

Do it!!

It might haunt them.

Fuck Gilbert

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[TheChoiceIsYours]

Ummm Love is way better than Blake bruh...

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[Better]

Are we actually trying to compare Kevin Love to Tim Duncan?

Is that what I'm reading?

Do you think if Tim Duncan came to the league to a team poised to contend, and had to deal with subpar squads ran by a subpar organization...

...we'd be talking about him in the same light?

Tim Duncan numbers have never been eye-popping. However, they are very good numbers, and when you add his rings on top of that, that's how he gained the respect he has now.

But, based purely on offense ability, I can't say Tim Duncan, in his prime, was better than K. Love.

YOU niggas are prejudice!!

 

[Spectrum]

But, based purely on offense ability, I can't say Tim Duncan, in his prime, was better than K. Love.

Not trying to enter your debate.

But you may not know something.

Tim Duncan has a higher career scoring average than Kevin Love.

Kevin Love has never been in a playoff game so no way to approach post-season performance. BTW. Tim Duncan's career scoring average actually increasing for the playoffs.

What's crazy is that in 2 of the last 3 seasons, Kevin Love has taken more shots per game than Duncan has ever taken over his entire 18 year career.

 

[Better]

Kevin Love and Duncan do not play the same style of ball.

Both can give you mid-20s ppg, and double-digit rebounds.

Duncan is more efficient because he takes shots closer to the basket.

However it shakes out, their scoring and rebounding numbers are in the same league.

lol

bro


the only thing kevin love can do offensively better than duncan is shoot a 3 point shot.

that is it.

man

lol

just lol

Duncan came out the gate with at least 4 go to post moves.. 4 ... since his rookie year and added more... love doesn't even have 1.

the hook?
off backboard?
man
im not here to shit on love, love does his thing quick jumping to get offensive rebounds and shooting 3's and shit

but duncan? there was literally no way you could stop duncan..

shit
even NOW if they gave him the ball enough and he played enough minutes at 36 years old he would get you 20 and 10 a night easy

at 36

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Do you think if Tim Duncan came to the league to a team poised to contend, and had to deal with subpar squads ran by a subpar organization...

...we'd be talking about him in the same light?

Tim Duncan numbers have never been eye-popping. However, they are very good numbers, and when you add his rings on top of that, that's how he gained the respect he has now.

But, based purely on offense ability, I can't say Tim Duncan, in his prime, was better than K. Love.

YOU niggas are prejudice!!

If Tim Duncan played his entire career with the Grizzlies offensively he would be superior to Kevin love.

the only thing kevin love can do better is shoot 3's

down low..where love is supposedly positioned..there is no contest.

none.

Duncan is an all time great player on BOTH ENDS of the floor.

all time great

as in ever.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Kevin Love and Duncan do not play the same style of ball.

Both can give you mid-20s ppg, and double-digit rebounds.

Duncan is more efficient because he takes shots closer to the basket.

However it shakes out, their scoring and rebounding numbers are in the same league.

Duncan is a power forward, he is supposed to take shots closer to the basket..how is that a knock?

He's more skilled period where it matters the most. On the block.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

That's the NBA now

Too infatuated with the 3 point shot

So since Dirk can shoot 3s he is a better power forward than Tim Duncan or Karl Malone???

In his prime Duncan changes any team and any team at least makes the playoffs any damn conference any damn era

He steps on the court and you have to account for him offensively and defensively at all times

Even as old as he is now that is still true he can still take over a game for stretches

Love has shown none of that!

He getting his Tony Romo on putting up a bunch of nice looking stats

Get the entire fuck out of here

 

[lazarus]

Fuck that you make the trade ASAP!!!!!!! I'm going by the trend I see.

Kansas players drafted since Danny Manning in 88:

Andrew Wiggins, Joel Embiid, Jeff Withey, Ben McLemore, Tyshawn Taylor, Thomas Robinson, Marcus Morris, Markieff Morris, Josh Selby, Cole Aldrich, Xavier Henry, Brandon Rush, J.R. Giddens, Darrell Arthur, Mario Chalmers, Sasha Kaun, Darnell Jackson, Julian Wright, Wayne Simien, Kirk Hinrich, Nick Collison, Drew Gooden, Eric Chenowith, Ryan Robertson, Raef LaFrentz, Paul Pierce, Jacque Vaughn, Scot Pollard, Ben Davis, Greg Ostertag, Darrin Hancock, Rex Walters, Adonis Jordan, Mark Randall, Kevin Pritchard, Danny Manning


UCLA players drafted since Reggie Miller in 87:
Kyle Anderson, Jordan Adams, Zach Lavine, Shabazz Muhammad, Malcolm Lee, Tyler Honeycutt, Jrue Holiday, Darren Collison, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, Luc Mbah a Moute, Arron Afflalo, Jordan Farmar, Ryan Hollins, Dijon Thompson, Trevor Ariza, Jason Kapono, Dan Gadzuric, Matt Barnes, Earl Watson, Jerome Moiso, Baron Davis, Toby Bailey, Jelani McCoy, J.R. Henderson, Charles O'Bannon, George Zidek, Ed O'Bannon, Tyus Edney, Richard Petruska, Tracy Murray, Don MacLean, Greg Foster, Trevor Wilson, Pooh Richardson, Corey Gaines, Reggie Miller

Only the guys in bold are worth a shit to me. As you can see UCLA good players turn out better. Yes UCLA success in the NBA has happened more over the past 10 years and I'm a UCLA fan but don't pay attention to those things lol.

Wtf? Compare coaches man . Self vs howland. I think it ends up the same though

 

[D-TOWN REP]

Do you think if Tim Duncan came to the league to a team poised to contend, and had to deal with subpar squads ran by a subpar organization...

...we'd be talking about him in the same light?

Tim Duncan numbers have never been eye-popping. However, they are very good numbers, and when you add his rings on top of that, that's how he gained the respect he has now.

But, based purely on offense ability, I can't say Tim Duncan, in his prime, was better than K. Love.

YOU niggas are prejudice!!

Kevin Love and Duncan do not play the same style of ball.

Both can give you mid-20s ppg, and double-digit rebounds.

Duncan is more efficient because he takes shots closer to the basket.

However it shakes out, their scoring and rebounding numbers are in the same league.

Numbers may look similar but the impact is not

All you looking at is points and rebounds

Some things you have to actually see on the court not on the stat sheet

I know you watch enough basketball to realize that

 

[Van Allen]

Tuff to trade WIGGINS Could be HOFer. Should be multi year ALL_STAR Potential MVP level player.

 

[Better]

Numbers may look similar but the impact is not

All you looking at is points and rebounds

Some things you have to actually see on the court not on the stat sheet

I know you watch enough basketball to realize that

But, that's all we have to go on.

Duncan has been able to play in a lot of important games in his career. Not simply because of him, but because his organization has managed to keep a competitive team on the floor, despite the fact that they are in one of the smallest media markets.

Meanwhile, I just read the T-Wolves are more interested in Klay Thompson than Wiggins.

Not to get side-tracked, but I'm starting to think those motherfuckers only white half-breeds and white dudes on their teams.

I can see the merits of a Love for Wiggins trade on both sides.

Klay Thompson over Wiggins, tho'?

Get all the way the fuck out of here.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

But, that's all we have to go on.

Duncan has been able to play in a lot of important games in his career. Not simply because of him, but because his organization has managed to keep a competitive team on the floor, despite the fact that they are in one of the smallest media markets.

Meanwhile, I just read the T-Wolves are more interested in Klay Thompson than Wiggins.

Not to get side-tracked, but I'm starting to think those motherfuckers only white half-breeds and white dudes on their teams.

I can see the merits of a Love for Wiggins trade on both sides.

Klay Thompson over Wiggins, tho'?

Get all the way the fuck out of here.

Numbers isn't all we have to go on

We can also go on what we see when we watch them play

And the Wolves have always been known to load up on CACs this isn't new

Got to appease that's fan base up there

 

[Better]

Numbers isn't all we have to go on

We can also go on what we see when we watch them play

And the Wolves have always been known to load up on CACs this isn't new

Got to appease that's fan base up there

What I'm saying is...

...Duncan gets to do what he does in the context of a team competing for shit.

If Duncan played on a scrub squad, he's just be another dude puttin' up numbers for nothing.

Playing for nothing never look's good.

If you don't ever get to shine in the biggest moments...

...your talent will never be evaluated properly.

Even still, the NBA hasn't seen a dude put up 26ppg and 12 in quite some time.

There are a lot of dudes playing meaningless games, but they ain't putting up THOSE numbers.

 

[jasonblacc]

Back on the subject of Love on the Cavs, the more I think about it the more sense it makes..
Check out this comparison..
Love and Duncan similar style of play almost identical.
Thompson and Leonard both have freakish type bodies, Thompson is very young and next year may be his breakout season.
Ginobili and Parker Irving and Waiters, similar type of backcourt players
Splinter and Varejao both hustlers who can get the job done.
Now you throw in LeBron into the mix..

Are we actually trying to compare Kevin Love to Tim Duncan?

Is that what I'm reading?

Straight disrespectful

That's the NBA now

Too infatuated with the 3 point shot

So since Dirk can shoot 3s he is a better power forward than Tim Duncan or Karl Malone???

In his prime Duncan changes any team and any team at least makes the playoffs any damn conference any damn era

He steps on the court and you have to account for him offensively and defensively at all times

Even as old as he is now that is still true he can still take over a game for stretches

Love has shown none of that!

He getting his Tony Romo on putting up a bunch of nice looking stats

Get the entire fuck out of here

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Perfect comparison.....I think skip bayless said stat where in the last 5 mins of games........Kevin Love has the worst field goal percentage

 

[Complex]

Did anyone bring up Wiggins shooting 40% so far in summer league?

Maybe they looked at him in practice and in the games and not just the dunks and changed their mind

 

[gene cisco]

Straight disrespectful


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Perfect comparison.....I think skip bayless said stat where in the last 5 mins of games........Kevin Love has the worst field goal percentage

It's bad enough I have to hear about an offensively stacked team trading for more offense instead of defense, but to have to see Love/Duncan comparisons
Let me go check the sports updates. I wonder if Lebron has offered up Kyrie or stock in the team yet.

 

[Better]

Count me as one of those people who never saw Duncan as this monster of a player.

He was obviously always a very good player...

...but I just don't see what you all see.

I used to shit on Lebron, and granted, I still do, but I 'get it'. He ain't my type of player, but what he DOES, he does extremely well.

Tim Duncan plays for a great organization.

The fact that his team beat a Lebron James led team like they stole something, and he's not even the player he once was...

...tells you how well coached and well together those Spurs teams are.

Even though he is superior defensively, I'd STILL take Barkley and Malone over Duncan. Especially if you're going to give them the same caliber of team, and put them up against the same opponents in the Finals.

Tim Duncan never had to face MJ and the Bulls in the Finals...

...but Malone and Barkley did.

 

[Better]

I'm just fucking with ya'll.

That nigga was a beast.

Fuck that blank face nigga, tho'.

 

[RoadRage]

Of course Love is better offensively, now.

Nobody is intimidated of Love. Yes he put's up good numbers, especially in rebounding, but he is a work horse on a half-ass team.

Plus lets not minimize the impact of defensive superiority that Duncan has over Love, even now.

A better comparison to love is Al Jefferson.

Jefferson is a beast who does it with more power and force, more like a bigger stronger version of Zack Randolph, Love and Duncan are more finnesse players who use their brains more to get in better position to do what they do, plus they both have a much better midrange shot and know when to use it. Plus they both know how to turn on the physicality when they need it.
Of course they are not identical, its just their skillset, game and aproach to the game are very similar.

 

[RoadRage]

Numbers may look similar but the impact is not

All you looking at is points and rebounds

Some things you have to actually see on the court not on the stat sheet

I know you watch enough basketball to realize that

Duncan always played on a good team with a good system, so naturally he will look better, especi; on the big stage.. Love averaged 26 pts, 12 rebounds, and 4.4 assist per game, while Tim had 15 , 8 and 3.. Lets not paint the picture that this point in their career Tim had superior numbers or close offensive stats..

 

[D-TOWN REP]

I'm out..

 

[D24OHA]

Cavs already said they insistthat Wiggins be left out the trade talks. Word is that Minn is the one "leaking" the trade rumors involving Wiggins and Thompson in a move to have GS and the Cavs outbid each other. Thing is neither team has to entertain such talks. Love doesn't want to be there, they don't want him and they do want Wiggins/Thompson. That front office is playing a dangerous games because if Love plays for Minn and pulls back a little, by trade deadline they will HAVE to trade him. Also if he says he will only sign an extension with Cle all of Minnesota's leverage is gone.

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[gene cisco]

Cavs already said they insistthat Wiggins be left out the trade talks. Word is that Minn is the one "leaking" the trade rumors involving Wiggins and Thompson in a move to have GS and the Cavs outbid each other. Thing is neither team has to entertain such talks. Love doesn't want to be there, they don't want him and they do want Wiggins/Thompson. That front office is playing a dangerous games because if Love plays for Minn and pulls back a little, by trade deadline they will HAVE to trade him. Also if he says he will only sign an extension with Cle all of Minnesota's leverage is gone.

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Damn. I haven't listened to local sports talk all day. They probably already mentioned this shit then.

So if it is true that Lebron reached out to Love, perhaps he is trying to get Love to force a trade. If Love basically lets it be known he will only sign an extension with Cleveland, Wiggins doesn't have to be traded. Wolves are at the mercy of the Cavs and Love.

 

[RoadRage]

Damn. I haven't listened to local sports talk all day. They probably already mentioned this shit then.

So if it is true that Lebron reached out to Love, perhaps he is trying to get Love to force a trade. If Love basically lets it be known he will only sign an extension with Cleveland, Wiggins doesn't have to be traded. Wolves are at the mercy of the Cavs and Love.

If thats the case, it may boil down to Wiggens vs Waiters... In my opinion Waiters may actually be a better fit (not the better player) for the Cavs, due to Wiggens being younger and him needing to be more of a high volume shooter to be more effective, while I see Waiters more as a microwave type of a player, one that you don't have to run plays off, and one that can heat up fast and carry a club..
One thing I don't like about Waiters is his attitude, I mean what the fuck did dude do to tell the club he is not coming off the bench, especially when far greater players have came off the bench in the NBA..

 

[RoadRage]

Cavs already said they insistthat Wiggins be left out the trade talks. Word is that Minn is the one "leaking" the trade rumors involving Wiggins and Thompson in a move to have GS and the Cavs outbid each other. Thing is neither tet m has to entertain such talks. Love doesn't want to be there, they don't want him and they do want Wiggins/Thompson. That front office is playing a dangerous games because if Love plays for Minn and pulls back a little, by trade deadline they will HAVE to trade him. Also if he says he will only sign an extension with Cle all of Minnesota's leverage is gone.

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No way they give up both Wiggins and Thompson.. What I would put on the table is Wiggins Bennett and their number one draft (not the Heat pick) for Love and Kevin Martin...

 

[D24OHA]

No way they give up both Wiggins and Thompson.. What I would put on the table is Wiggins Bennett and their number one draft (not the Heat pick) for Love and Kevin Martin...

Bold move. I like it, but Minn may be hesitant to give up Kmart....he was the second best long range shooter


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[gene cisco]

If thats the case, it may boil down to Wiggens vs Waiters... In my opinion Waiters may actually be a better fit (not the better player) for the Cavs, due to Wiggens being younger and him needing to be more of a high volume shooter to be more effective, while I see Waiters more as a microwave type of a player, one that you don't have to run plays off, and one that can heat up fast and carry a club..
One thing I don't like about Waiters is his attitude, I mean what the fuck did dude do to tell the club he is not coming off the bench, especially when far greater players have came off the bench in the NBA..

They shouldn't give up either for Love. Period. Waiters is a 20ppg when he starts. Wiggins can come off the bench for 14-15. The fuck are they thinking? That's 35 per game right there PLUS better defensive potential than Love.

He didn't tell the team anything. A fan asked a question. He gave an honest answer. Waiters needs to start for the Cavs.

Remember when they said Wade/Bron wouldn't work because they both were ball-dominant players?

No way they give up both Wiggins and Thompson.. What I would put on the table is Wiggins Bennett and their number one draft (not the Heat pick) for Love and Kevin Martin...

It's a gamble, but I'll take Bennett over Thompson. Bennett just needs his fucking confidence back and he will be able to stretch the floor and give the Cavs everything Thompson did. Thompson's contracts coming up, so I think it's the right play.

Sam Amico has reported that Cavs have not offered up Wiggins and have told the Wolves they won't. It does seem like the Wolves are leaking false info.

This is going to come down to Gilbert vs Bron. Gilbert wanted Wiggins and wants to keep him. Bron wants Love. How bad we don't know.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Duncan always played on a good team with a good system, so naturally he will look better, especi; on the big stage.. Love averaged 26 pts, 12 rebounds, and 4.4 assist per game, while Tim had 15 , 8 and 3.. Lets not paint the picture that this point in their career Tim had superior numbers or close offensive stats..

gtfoh

duncan was a beast from the beginning and will be to the end.


love stats don't mean shit cause he has no impact on the game

he puts up antwan jamison kinda stats

you watch the game and it look normal at the end he got 25 and 10 and you're wondering when? cause it aint mean shit

 

[gene cisco]

gtfoh

duncan was a beast from the beginning and will be to the end.


love stats don't mean shit cause he has no impact on the game

he puts up antwan jamison kinda stats

you watch the game and it look normal at the end he got 25 and 10 and you're wondering when? cause it aint mean shit

Love reminds me of Bosh in Toronto. He put up numbers, but he couldn't lead his team to shit in a weak fucking eastern conference.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Love reminds me of Bosh in Toronto. He put up numbers, but he couldn't lead his team to shit in a weak fucking eastern conference.

gotta stop you there king gene.

bosh led the raptors to the playoffs twice..

and they hadn't been back since until this past season.

 

[gene cisco]

gotta stop you there king gene.

bosh led the raptors to the playoffs twice..

and they hadn't been back since until this past season.

Love could do that in the east. Bosh would have been in Love's position had he played out west: No Playoffs. Surely a 40-42 record in the west equals Bosh's 47 wins in a much weaker east.

Both are 2nd option type players who can fill stat sheets.

 

[curryshotta]

They shouldn't give up either for Love. Period. Waiters is a 20ppg when he starts. Wiggins can come off the bench for 14-15. The fuck are they thinking? That's 35 per game right there PLUS better defensive potential than Love.

He didn't tell the team anything. A fan asked a question. He gave an honest answer. Waiters needs to start for the Cavs.

Remember when they said Wade/Bron wouldn't work because they both were ball-dominant players?





It's a gamble, but I'll take Bennett over Thompson. Bennett just needs his fucking confidence back and he will be able to stretch the floor and give the Cavs everything Thompson did. Thompson's contracts coming up, so I think it's the right play.

Sam Amico has reported that Cavs have not offered up Wiggins and have told the Wolves they won't. It does seem like the Wolves are leaking false info.

This is going to come down to Gilbert vs Bron. Gilbert wanted Wiggins and wants to keep him. Bron wants Love. How bad we don't know.

Cavs may want Love....but giving up 2 youngsters plus a future pick....

They should go and look for some sturdy bigs to eat glass and take up some space