Official JUSTIFIED Discussion Thread UPDATE: They BACK new mini series! Justified: City Primeval
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- That was a good streamlined episode, two main story arcs
- Art didn't like Allison packing up her weed, I thought he was gonna take it
- Ava no longer needs to bring a Dairy Queen to Harlan with Boyd she has all the ice cream in lockup
- I was waiting for Art to get shot this season, still shocking
- Nice dose of emotional terrorism from Art's wife towards Raylan en route to hospital
- "The only explaining I ever did in my life was to my Mama" Boyd Crowder classic
- Daryl Crowe is afraid of Raylan used Wendy and Kendall as kevlar vests
- I'm surprised Raylan didn't go with Tim to find Daryl at the hospital.
- Wendy is fucked up...white girls bruise badly. She fell in line though
- Poor Kendal he's hopeless, I think Raylan sees himself in the kid
- Where is my boy Limehouse?...smoking pig in Nobles Holler.
- Good to see Rachael again and well deserved promotion, she's going to have to check Raylan
- Catherine Hale is cold and clever, she's going to be a large player next season “You’re disappointed, aren’t you?” “That people don’t know who you are?” “That I’m still alive.”
- I thought my television skipped when they were all back in the same hotel room and seats after Kendall confessed
- When Boyd asked for the cigarettes that was symbolic for returning to old bad habits, I forgot he was an explosives guy
- R.I.P Picker "I may not know a lot of things but I do know how to blow shit up.”
- Wynn Duffy was all shook up "MIKE CLOSE THE DOOR!"
^^^ with television you suspend belief but I feel you
great points fam!We gotta give Rappaport some credit. Because I thought at first he was a bad bit of casting especially with the shaky accent. NOW? He owns the role but I disagree...Daryl aint protecting shit but himself. Yeah he took them off the direct battlefield but he is a deluded sociopath with an inferiority complex. He wants to PROVE himself to Raylan Boyd the world. And he pretty much has NOTHING left. He could have let the sister and nephew LEAVE...same result. He KNOWS Raylan wouldn't allow them to get hurt. Daryl STILL needs them. And all this he doing is gonna come back to bite him.
We gotta give Rappaport some credit. Because I thought at first he was a bad bit of casting especially with the shaky accent. NOW? He owns the role but I disagree...Daryl aint protecting shit but himself. Yeah he took them off the direct battlefield but he is a deluded sociopath with an inferiority complex. He wants to PROVE himself to Raylan Boyd the world. And he pretty much has NOTHING left. He could have let the sister and nephew LEAVE...same result. He KNOWS Raylan wouldn't allow them to get hurt. Daryl STILL needs them. And all this he doing is gonna come back to bite him.
Even If he was a bad casting choice, The show around him is so good you get lost in it and forget all about it. Plus that dude is huge compared to every one else. Raylin keeps hitting him but if he decides to hit Raylin back it wont be pretty.
this will be one of those series that when it's finally over, I'll go out and buy the one big complete series Blu-ray for. This show is just awesome, but most of the FX shows are, still hard to believe I haven't seen a episode of SOA yet ..
Shit I been buying them every week. At best buy it seems like they go on sale a season at a time.
Week 1 Season 1 was $15
Week 2 Season 2 was $15
Week 3 season 3 was $15
Now we on week 4 Im going down there to see if 4 is $15
Plus the Shield Complete Series was $30
FX to me has the best shows on TV including Animation. Only show I dont watch on Fx Is Legit.
legit is funny as fuck
I will give it a chance now that you said something.
I watched a few episodes the first season it was OK.
I realized the other day I almost primarily watch serious drama shows...
I think the only FUNNY show I watch regularly is Archer and I watched a whole season of HBO Girls on HBOGo.
Almost everything I really watch Game of Thrones, Justified, Mad Men, Breaking Bad (RIP) , The Americans, The Bridge, SOA, Supernatural and AHS is serious with just touched of humor...even though I find Boyd, Tig, Dean, Jessie, Peggy and them make laugh OUT LOUD a majority of the time and more then most of these popular sitcoms I barely watch.
Your probably like me, When it comes to regular comedy its hard to make me laugh or interested. I find the cynical hilarious which can really only be found in drama and non conventional comedians like Louis Ck and Bill Burr. Like it or not I find Genius in the show Seinfeld.
at the end when Raylan was talking to Darryl Crowe Jr "cause that web of bullshit you spun around yourself to protect yourselfI'm going to use to strangle the life out of you"
the camera panned down to Raylan's hands. the closest I can think of is Raylan was making a noose, but I'm not sure can somebody clarify that for me please
the camera panned down to Raylan's hands. the closest I can think of is Raylan was making a noose, but I'm not sure can somebody clarify that for me please
my brother from another
we think to much alike when it comes to this stuff....next time I'm in your neck of the woods we gotta hit Prime 112, Tap Tap or something fam. And you find the clubs after
My humor is EXACTLY the same...I have seen EVERY episode of Seinfeld numerous times but left them for YEARS because of Kramer's meltdown I watched like half an episode the other day and hated him even more more for ruining one one my favorite shows of all time.
I thought a Girls thread would be DESTROYED on the board...
I cannot believe I may be attracted to an animated character as much as slim big titty Pam and pregnant Lana...
my little cousin got me on supernatural too...he sold it so well they network should have stolen it...
he said "Its like a mini horror movie every week."
I believe that is the moment that we saw Raylan take a turn...into Boyd.
That is EXACTLY something Boyd would have said and would have implemented...Raylan could NEVER pull off the complex set of events Boyd did. But I think NOW he can. He will never leave loose ends again. He realizes that you can't do things half way. Boyd would have NEVER let that Chicago stuff come back to bite him like that.
Raylan endangered everyone...even though he was right...but he should have completely cutthroat with it.
Raylan will do that NOW...and he warned Crowe numerous times...and now that he sees that Daryl would sell his sister and nephew?
All bets are off. I believe we are gonna see Raylan be more conniving and manipulating then ever before.
http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/justified-toll-202631
“Now I don’t know a lot about a lot of things, but I do know how to blow shit up!”
There is nothing quite so brilliant, quite so terrifying—and, yes, quite so awesome—as a cornered Boyd Crowder. The man has spent the season either killing off various Harlan power brokers in a futile attempt to save Ava, meandering through Mexico in a futile attempt to set up a heroin trade with the cartel, or extricating himself from his futile partnership with the various nutcases that make up the Crowe family.
Basically, Boyd has dealt with a whole lot of futility this season, and last week saw him endure his most heartbreaking failure, as he at last recognized there was nothing he could do to save Ava. His rejection of Teri’s advances and his decision to have his henchmen bury the rest of the heroin don’t quite play as the actions of a defeated man; Boyd is nothing if not resilient, but he’s also realistic enough to know he needs to remain absolutely focused on the one narrow path of ahead of him that might allow him to get out of this mess alive.
In his most recent postmortem interview with Entertainment Weekly, showrunner Graham Yost briefly discussed how the show has occasionally used cigarettes to indicate really crucial moments in Ava’s story; her decision to light up during her confrontation with Nicky Augustine in season four is the most notable example. The memory of that quote probably got me thinking a little too much about the psychology of Boyd’s taking up cigarettes again.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/03/18/j...lks-dickies-return-dannys-showdown-in-weight/
His line to Teri about how he hasn’t smoked in a long, long time and how it’s maybe time to make some changes suggested a rejection of at least some of the decisions that brought him to this point; on some level, Boyd was looking to reconnect with certain aspects of the man he once was. I took the cigarettes as some subtle thematic thing, a motif that perhaps symbolized Boyd’s attempts to retain control over an increasingly impossible predicament.
Nah. Boyd just needed the cigarettes because he was fixing to blow somebody up real good. You know, it’s always nice to be reminded of why I fell in love with Justified in the first place. And one of the very first things we learned about Boyd Crowder was that he was the sort of guy who would use a rocket launcher to blow up a church as part of some low-level drug war.
Besides, if ever there was a character who deserved to be blown up by an exploding pack of cigarettes, it’s Mr. Picker. The former Detroit enforcer had his uses right at the beginning of the season; it was his connections that allowed Boyd and Wynn Duffy to set up the meet with Mr. Yoon in the first place. But this is still the man who stood there as Raylan arranged Nicky Augustine’s execution, who shot his supposed boss Sammy Tonin in the head in order to make peace with the Canadians, and who has spent most of the season shut in a hotel room with Wynn Duffy because, well, you never know if Theo Tonin has one last hit squad out there somewhere.
These were all rational moves, albeit ones forced by his uncanny ability to find and team up with the nearest psychopath, but rationality can only get one so far in the world of organized crime in the absence of any vision or charisma, two things Boyd Crowder—and Catherine Hale, if her brief initial appearances are any indication—has in abundance. Wynn Duffy isn’t actually much better off than Mr. Picker on either of those scores, but he’s Justified’s ultimate survivor because he is the swiftest to recognize when he’s out of his depth.
After all, with no obvious active role in the fledgling heroin trade available to Mr. Picker, the man has had to reposition himself as Wynn Duffy’s chief adviser, and he was too dumb to realize the significance of Wynn’s decision to invite a new adviser to this, the single most important sitdown of their flailing criminal enterprise. He’s presumed too much about the security of his position, and John Kapelos nicely plays that obliviousness in “The Toll.” In a situation where Mr. Picker should have complete control over the situation, he’s the one who yells and loses his temper in the face of Boyd’s matter-of-fact, barely apologetic explanations.
While Wynn Duffy is prepared to consider the specific business implications of Boyd’s offer, Mr. Picker needs everyone to recognize the failings of the Harlan shitkicker sitting in front of him, because he needs everyone to recognize that everything would have worked out just fine if people had just listened to him in the first place. On Justified, that need for petty personal validation is bound to get you killed sooner or later, whether it’s by alienating the would-be crime boss offering your safe harbor or by underestimating the aforementioned shitkicker who just tossed you an exploding pack of smokes.
For all the greatness of that sudden, shocking moment—and Boyd’s all-time classic line that immediately follows it—“The Toll” can’t quite match the quality of the last couple of episodes. After taking the last couple of weeks to round the season into shape, Justified needs tonight’s story to set up the endgame that should play out over the last couple of episodes, and that means this episode features a lot of narrative maneuvering punctuated by two great bursts of decisive, violent action.
Indeed, once the marshals leave the hospital, the episode barely strays from the hotel room and the Lexington office. That narrow scope means the episode can’t offer the kind of explosive fallout one might expect from the opening scene, or indeed what Tim briefly proposes to Raylan in the hospital. For a moment, the two marshals seem primed for a tense, off-the-books manhunt, all intended to make the most of the chaotic period before Ed Kirkland turns up and retakes control. But Raylan appears to have learned just enough from Art’s treatment of him the last few weeks to know that such flagrant rule-breaking is probably not what his fallen chief would want.
And yes, I realize I’ve been talking around this episode’s inciting incident: Art finally got shot. I say “finally,” because the bullets that Daryl Crowe fired tonight have been wending their way toward the Chief Deputy for a long, long time; indeed, the rules of cop-show storytelling pretty much demanded such a fate ever since Art first mentioned his upcoming retirement.
It’s appropriate for Justified to make that move here, as it’s hard to imagine a scenario in which Raylan could be more to blame, albeit indirectly—after all, the maddening thing about Raylan is that he’s never directly responsible for anything. Art gets shot by a man that Raylan inadvertently lured to Kentucky and then spent the rest of this season provoking in an ill-conceived attempt to get rid of him, and he gets shot defending the woman that Raylan dated and whose social-worker job he quite consciously used to drive a wedge between the Crowes. And, again, Art is only there doing Raylan’s job because of the latter’s acknowledged but undiscussed involvement in Nicky Augustine’s death.
But Art’s (for now) non-fatal shooting isn’t what finally drives Raylan over the edge; no, that’s the Crowe family’s decision to hang Kendal, its one relatively uncorrupted member, out to dry. Daryl Jr.’s gambit here confirms the messy truth about his character: He’s either the smartest idiot or the dumbest genius this show has ever produced.
After all, there really wasn’t anything to be gained by killing Alison; even if it was intended as some sort of retribution for Danny’s death, her culpability there is a stretch at best, and it was even dumber to try to kill Art, as he only ever could have been an innocent bystander or a lawman of some sort. Yet his surrender to the marshals in their own office—a move that it feels like he probably got the idea for from seeing in a movie somewhere—and his manipulation of Kendal reveals, if not exactly a criminal mastermind, then someone who knows how to expertly disentangle himself from the dumbass scrapes he gets himself into.
What’s telling is how little we see of Daryl Jr. in this episode; the audience witnesses his surrender to the marshals and his parting confrontation with Raylan, but his cunning plan unfolds with him hidden away off-screen. That’s a major contrast from Boyd, who constantly commands the camera’s attention as he carefully enacts his own plan to save his skin. Both do reprehensible things to get what they want—odious as Mr. Picker was, blowing him up is still at least a somewhat disproportionate punishment for his crimes—but Boyd is willing to be in the room and do his own dirty work. And really, if we’re getting technical here, Boyd and Daryl alike are both clearing up Daryl’s screw-ups, and only Daryl himself chooses to sacrifice a supposed loved one in order to solve his problem. The line about keeping the family together was always salesman’s bullshit—Daryl made that clear way back in “A Murder Of Crowes” when he ordered Dilly’s murder—but he himself believed his own nonsense right until Danny died. Now, it’s every Crowe for himself, and Daryl is quite pleased with the idea of a detention center toughening Kendal up.
So that brings us to the final scene between Raylan and Daryl. The lawman’s actions this season have been defined by his willingness to take the most expedient path to what he sees as the most desirable outcome. He’s tried to stay roughly adjacent to the law while doing so, but that’s no longer a pressing motivation; as he tells Mr. Picker in the interrogation room, the only reason to help Raylan at this point is because he’s the kind of asshole who will make things unpleasant if he doesn’t get what he wants. Raylan doesn’t take Art’s shooting as an impetus to change his ways, except perhaps in one crucial aspect:
Now, Raylan appears willing to take the more patient approach. As he tells Daryl, “that web of bullshit you spun around yourself to protect yourself, I’m going to use to strangle the life out of you and take away everything you’ve got—then you’re going to wish I’d blacked you out with a bullet today.” Daryl evenly responds that “this feels like one of those ‘time will tell’ deals,” but it’s doubtful it will take all that long for this particular feud to work itself out. After all, Raylan only has two episodes left to do whatever he’s going to do.
Stray observations:
Meanwhile, Ava appears to have gotten away with Judith’s murder, at least for the time being. It’s left ambiguous just what the ice-cream cup tribute is supposed to mean; Penny and Ava’s initial reactions suggest that this should be taken as a threat, but their subsequent glances suggest it’s at least possible this is some display of loyalty to the new leader—assuming she can actually get some heroin into the prison. Given all Boyd’s troubles these days, I’m not sure at all that Ava can take that pipeline for granted.
Rachel finally gets what was more or less promised for her way back in the first season, as she’s promoted to interim head of the Lexington office. Also, Rachel and Tim were in this episode! That’s always cause for celebration, even if Art had to get shot for them to make an appearance.
“You’re disappointed, aren’t you?” “That people don’t know who you are?”
“That I’m still alive.” “Yeah, a little bit.” Mary Steenburgen’s appearance in this episode mostly feels like an early preview for a more substantial role down the road, which appears to be the case. She’s been an intriguing presence in the show thus far, and I particularly like that she has a history with AUSA Vasquez, as I’m always happy when the once and future Endless Mike puts in an appearance.
“Let me ask you this: If I were to admit to hitting him, could you call it child abuse and take custody of him for me?”
Art gave him shit for having old boy killed i season 4, but Raylan did the right thing and the only thing he could do. He said leave my family out of it, but Nicky Augustine would not let it go and felt compelled to keep it going. You cannot reason with someone like that and the R.O.E. do not apply because you cannot just sit and wait for him to shoot first before you defend yourself because the damage he would do would be too much.
Had he not had Nicky killed his wife and daughter AT LEAST would have been killed. Art is too by the book to see it, but Raylan is just outside the book enough to know that he had no choice and Nicky could not say that he wasn't given a chance. Vigilante justice was the only way to handle it and he didn't pull the trigger himself, but let nature take its course. That was a Boyd Crowder kind of move to have Nicky set up on the tarmac like that.[/QUOTE]
I forgot what season but Art went rouge when one of his marshal friends was killed! He tried to do it the right way but when "old testament" when the suspect was cooperating.
Crowe smart enough not to get that shit himself
Oh shit Boyd Saw them Mexicans and was like "I'll wear a wire"
Oh shit Boyd Saw them Mexicans and was like "I'll wear a wire"
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bitch yelled worldstar
Yooooo what the fuck did I just watch 
That shit just came outta nowhere!
You know damn well about 80% of the people watching tonight had no idea what it meant, and it still made it out of the writer's room. Damn, I'm gonna miss this show.
You got Dewey trying to school dem hoes talkin' 'bout "the anus is on them", you got Boyd outsmarting himself, and Raylan at the end going hard at Darryl through Kendall. The look on ole girl's face when they told them he was going to be charged as an adult
... and a goddamn Worldstarr for good measure...
That shit just came outta nowhere!bitch yelled worldstar
You know damn well about 80% of the people watching tonight had no idea what it meant, and it still made it out of the writer's room. Damn, I'm gonna miss this show.
You got Dewey trying to school dem hoes talkin' 'bout "the anus is on them", you got Boyd outsmarting himself, and Raylan at the end going hard at Darryl through Kendall. The look on ole girl's face when they told them he was going to be charged as an adult
... and a goddamn Worldstarr for good measure...
Oh my God did you call it or did you call it? Wow. It is funny that the episodes seem to last longer than an hour but in a good way. Maybe it is me rewinding all of the good lines for a second laugh. I love this show and I'm gonna miss it. Everybody got lines on this show and there is a wiseass in everyone. love it.
Yo, how the fuck the brotha let Dewey fucking Crowe beat his ass??
I luv dis damn show!!!
I study that shit just to see how its SUPPOSED to be done and appreciate every damn line and discussing it with the bgol fam makes it even more enjoyable
laughed OUT LOUD and was just shaking my head throughout...
its grounded in reality honest with the characters and completely INSANE all at the same time...
I am so MAD at the Haitian for bowing out!
Dewey Crowe is just..."anus", "you talking about him?"
I will say it again NO ONE has been as straight up EVIL on the show as Daryl Crowe.
Did you see the face-off in the Marshall's office between Raylan and Boyd?
The mirror effect?
How they backed Raylan and lied for him much like Boyd's crew would have...Boyd looked at them was actual DISAPPOINTMENT...like ya'll supposed to be the good guys!
The Ava scenes were so sad because it was almost like she realized she should have stayed with Raylan.
Mr. Duffy and his eyebrows are hilarious...
And the BEST line of the night...Mikey trying to go UFC on Daryl
"that Kung Fu shit don't work on me."
yeah...didn't like that.
But I think it was important to show that Dewey was FINALLY being a man and stopped being a dumb shit (for once) and could show the girls and himself that he wasn't the perpetual loser he has been his entire life.
Dewey got have at least ONE win...and the entire audience EXPECTED him to beet beat down...and it made the WORLDSTAR joke funnier!
And to be fair I'm sure those 2 dirty snowflakes wore a brother out...
I luv dis damn show!!!
I study that shit just to see how its SUPPOSED to be done and appreciate every damn line and discussing it with the bgol fam makes it even more enjoyable
laughed OUT LOUD and was just shaking my head throughout...
its grounded in reality honest with the characters and completely INSANE all at the same time...
I am so MAD at the Haitian for bowing out!
Dewey Crowe is just..."anus", "you talking about him?"
I will say it again NO ONE has been as straight up EVIL on the show as Daryl Crowe.
Did you see the face-off in the Marshall's office between Raylan and Boyd?
The mirror effect?
How they backed Raylan and lied for him much like Boyd's crew would have...Boyd looked at them was actual DISAPPOINTMENT...like ya'll supposed to be the good guys!
The Ava scenes were so sad because it was almost like she realized she should have stayed with Raylan.
Mr. Duffy and his eyebrows are hilarious...
And the BEST line of the night...Mikey trying to go UFC on Daryl
"that Kung Fu shit don't work on me."
man I wish I could write the back and forth like this show does. This is what I need to capture I love the quick delivery and Quickdraw delivery return it goes as smoothly as watching a pair of tennis greats and everybody has a little bit of a serve. Even Dewey had a couple, so he is clearly the Leaping Lanny Poffo of the show taking far more lumps then he dishes out.
that standoff in the office between Raylan Givens and Boyd Crowder was legendary but at the same time like looking in a mirror. Boyd is the clever one, and Ray Lin's only advantage have always been that shield because he would lose to Boyd Crowder at every turn otherwise.
the disappointment in his face while looking at Rachel & Tim really spoke to how he views them. He was almost saddened that he was the only one who knew that Raylan is far closer to the wolf that he is than the sheep that they are and their naivete was almost as comical as it was pitiful. it was funny to see the look on Raylan Givens face as he denied being a wolf in sheep's clothing while Boyd Crowder was undressing him for the wolf that he truly is in front of the 2 people that he'd like to hide it from the most
Graham Yost, showrunner of Justified, did an AMA on reddit. He gives some hints on the finale, writing the show, and characters that might pop up again next season. 
http://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/21xrh4/i_am_graham_yost_showrunner_of_justified_and_you/
http://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/21xrh4/i_am_graham_yost_showrunner_of_justified_and_you/
* boom
Raylan's back turned and you could SEE all the emotions going through him and REMEMBER so can Boyd and his partners are STEADFAST in their support...
and then Boyd gets a call from his MOST trusted lieutenant who has to betray him.
This writer's are just styling on 'em at this point.
I hate shows like this and The Wire True Detectives Deadwood Veronica Mars Breaking Bad Mad Men Game of Thrones The Americans The Shield Archer Seinfeld The Simpsons The Boondocks etc...
because I judge and compare ALL other shows against them and always will.
Graham Yost, showrunner of Justified, did an AMA on reddit. He gives some hints on the finale, writing the show, and characters that might pop up again next season.
http://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/21xrh4/i_am_graham_yost_showrunner_of_justified_and_you/
. . . .
some highlights...
DAMN!!! someone asked the same exact I would have asked about the Haitian but it didn't get answered
The mirror:
Yes, we killed Boyd in the pilot, but Walton Goggins was just too good for us to let him stay dead. And, Boyd has been a good dark mirror for us to hold up to Raylan.
Tim and Rachel:
Yes. We plan on seeing a lot more of them. You'll see them more in the episode tonight and in the season finale. Our plan is to use them a lot next year. Erica and Jacob have been very patient this year, but we always knew we wanted to bring a lot more story to them in the final season.
Writing Process:
We break an episode in the writers room, probably in about a week or two. Then the writer takes it, turns around an outline, usually in a couple of days, gets notes, then has a week to write the first draft. Then Tim, Walton and the other actors weigh in and off we go.
I try to read at least one or two of Elmore's books before we start a season, and so do a lot of the writers. Fred Golan heard Elmore say that he himself would read oner of his own books before he started a new one, just to get into the swing.
On Boyd being a White Power believer:
We think Boyd believes whatever it is he believes at that particular time. Elmore said about Boyd that he didn't believe a word he said, but loved to hear him say it.
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I like this post but disagree about the last part re Rachel and Tim. I think they know full well what Raylan really is but just back his play the way most cops do. I do agree that Boyd's expression said a lot, although I think it was him recognizing that all the marshals take positions out of self interest rather than principle just like everyone else. Except with a badge.
Lol more mouth running than ass whipping skills. sounds like the guys that used to be on my ship
Come on son!! Mofo was in Kentucky fam!! Having sex with trailer trash...
ain't NO self respecting brotha from my town going all the way to Bum fuck Kentucky to have sex with no meth heads
then again, he did LOSE the fight
Come on son!! Mofo was in Kentucky fam!! Having sex with trailer trash...
ain't NO self respecting brotha from my town going all the way to Bum fuck Kentucky to have sex with no meth heads
then again, he did LOSE the fight
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=785957&highlight=seal
just jokes
so was mine...
well it's supposed to be one anyway
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