Music Class: Memphis Bleek says ETHER is over-rated

I always felt like this.

I actually felt like Jay ended it with the Takeover. That track resonated truth left right and sideways, being proved to this very day. I couldn't see anyone coming back from that and while Ether was good, it wasn't on the Takeover's level to me.

The other track that was slept on was Blueprint 2.0.
 
I always felt like this.

I actually felt like Jay ended it with the Takeover. That track resonated truth left right and sideways, being proved to this very day. I couldn't see anyone coming back from that and while Ether was good, it wasn't on the Takeover's level to me.

The other track that was slept on was Blueprint 2.0.

Takeover is Borderline Garbage now.


Ether >>>>>>>>>>>>> Takeover


Listening to Takeover Now just Hurts my Ears its so Corny.. .."LAAAMMMMMMMEEEE"

Takeover as a Diss towards Mobb and Prodigy was Hot... Takeover as a Diss towards Nas was "Ehhh".... Ether as a diss towards Jay was Legendary....


If Jay was to implement all that fuckshit from Supaugly into Takeover, It would have been so much better...


IMO Supaugly >>>>>>>>>> Takeover


the BP2 track was ehh.. I actually like Takeover more.


the BP2 track was Kinda like "Look at me, I'm good, he's bad... I donate to charity. I'm good, see?"

FOH

Any bitch that takes credit for Donating to Charity is a bitch nigga doing a Bitch move.

Ruined the song for me...


then pretty much admitting defeat when he was "I will not lose, even in defeat, its a valuable lesson learned so it evens it up for me"... SMH :roflmao:


and the whole premise of the song was Gay... coming out w/ that shit over a year later when the beef died down... like he grew a pair of balls a year later.... LMAO

 
Takeover is Borderline Garbage now.


Ether >>>>>>>>>>>>> Takeover


Listening to Takeover Now just Hurts my Ears its so Corny.. .."LAAAMMMMMMMEEEE"

Takeover as a Diss towards Mobb and Prodigy was Hot... Takeover as a Diss towards Nas was "Ehhh".... Ether as a diss towards Jay was Legendary....


If Jay was to implement all that fuckshit from Supaugly into Takeover, It would have been so much better...


IMO Supaugly >>>>>>>>>> Takeover


the BP2 track was ehh.. I actually like Takeover more.


the BP2 track was Kinda like "Look at me, I'm good, he's bad... I donate to charity. I'm good, see?"

FOH

Any bitch that takes credit for Donating to Charity is a bitch nigga doing a Bitch move.

Ruined the song for me...


then pretty much admitting defeat when he was "I will not lose, even in defeat, its a valuable lesson learned so it evens it up for me"... SMH :roflmao:


and the whole premise of the song was Gay... coming out w/ that shit over a year later when the beef died down... like he grew a pair of balls a year later.... LMAO


Subjective to say the least but when I hear "you scribbled in your notepad and created your life...", followed swiftly by a decade of Jay racking up and even employing Nas...

Checkmate for me.
 

Takeover was better than Ether, truth be told.

However, it became trendy for people to say Ether was better, so thats what many stans did.




C/S

You rewriting history from like a FOX news report. You have to understand the Jay was on top of the mountain on every way. He had the sales, the shows and most importantly, the NY DJs and personalities were jocking him to death.

When The Takeover came out, the streets announced that Nas was dead...

But when Ether came out, it was the greatest counter punch off all time.

And when it went to a vote in NY, the street weighed in, and from then on Nas has been the people's champ.

The reason Ether was so prophetic, you can tell it fucked with Jay's psyche for a few albums afterward.

IT DID BURN SLOW.

Jay never, never got over that defeat.

Never...
 
Subjective to say the least but when I hear "you scribbled in your notepad and created your life...", followed swiftly by a decade of Jay racking up and even employing Nas...

Checkmate for me.

Checkmate for You? WHOAAAAA wait... Are u Jay-Z or a Faggot nut clincher?



anywho,
Ether >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any Diss song towards Nas from Jay.


Dont care about these Niggas careers personally. Period. That's Fag Shit.

 
:lol:jay fans cant let this shit go

Ether was the rawest shit since back when pac was goin to war with the whole east coast
how many other rappers get choked up over how hard they get demolished
only ether will do that to ya




this guy knows:yes:


No vaseline > Takeover + Ether + Hit em' up
 

Takeover was better than Ether, truth be told.

However, it became trendy for people to say Ether was better, so thats what many stans did.




C/S

Dude stop it, ether and the stillmatic freestyle destroyed all them niggas on cockafella
 
After Either Jay Z was crying on the radio :itsawrap::itsawrap:

"R-O-C, we runnin' this rap shit" - Jay Z
"R-O-C, get gunned up and clapped quick" - Nas :lol::lol:

On Last Real Nigga Alive song from the God's Son Album, Nas torch him :smh::lol:

Jay tried to sneak attack
Assassinate my character, degrade my hood
Cause in order for him to be the Don, Nas had to go
The Gam-B-I-N-O rules I understood
What y'all want, see, I already had
The Gift and The Curse? Fuck that shit, the first shall be last
I'm the man's man, a rapper's rapper
G-O-D S-O-N, they'll be none after
I was Scarface, Jay was Manolo
It hurt me when I had to kill him and his whole squad for dolo
 
I agree it was overrated.

But the reason people felt it so much is because everyone thought a as was over and done with and he came back strong. The beat alone is truly one if the main reasons it hit so hard and it came out of nowhere.

Lyrically it wasn't classic material but when the underdog stands up with the backing of that beat that was classic.
 
This faggit nigga literally following me around from thread to thread...
 
Of course he would.

2014 and niggas still trying to shake off shrapnel from that fire.

Ether does indeed burn slow....lol.
 
I agree it was overrated.

But the reason people felt it so much is because everyone thought a as was over and done with and he came back strong. The beat alone is truly one if the main reasons it hit so hard and it came out of nowhere.

Lyrically it wasn't classic material but when the underdog stands up with the backing of that beat that was classic.

^^^

There you go but as a SONG?

it loses.

And lyrical it is inferior and the OVERALL production?

just that line...LAME!!!!!!

And I would argue that the response on Blueprint 2 is STILL better then Ether...cause its truth, facts and clever.
 
Checkmate for You? WHOAAAAA wait... Are u Jay-Z or a Faggot nut clincher?



anywho,
Ether >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any Diss song towards Nas from Jay.


Dont care about these Niggas careers personally. Period. That's Fag Shit.


The irony of this rebuttal, with this topic are unscripted and pristine.
 
The irony of this rebuttal, with this topic are unscripted and pristine.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

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I've always felt the same. Ether had some lines, but it mostly sounded emotional, and some shit was straight corny.

And even with that, it sounded better than anything Nas had out around then, and he sounded awake.

I think people gave it to Nas cuz he was the underdog. He got better after that shit. Good for Nas.

Jay kept on winning in his career though, which is why I can't stand when people claim losing battles ends careers.
 
This is all opinion: but I remember hearing Takeover first time and thinking that was harsh, then I recall hearing Ether first time and having to rewind it several times and call some of the homies. Ether became a verb in the hip hop lexicon too. Ether>Takeover
 
Take was on some Nigga my killing you, ether was on some Homie why you killing me? and time backed Jay up.
 
* just to show I'm being fair and balanced....

Apparently the original version of “Ether” made by Nas, was much more agressive and harsher than the one we have all heard. And obviously it has even better lines than the original.

Because Colombia asked him up to 3 times to edit the songs, that is probably the big reason why in certain points of Ether sounds like Nas is filling in spaces with saying things like “cock a fella” and “gay-Z”. I don’t know first hand but this all makes sense because it seems that he was replacing those words with something he had to take out.

And Colombia is probably the reason why people who think “Takeover” is better, constantly bring up the “gay” and “cock” lines that Nas slightly over did it with to make it seem like he lost the battle.

Anyway here is an interview from Fat Joe before Ether was released in 2001 addressing lyrics that were cut from the original song:

AHH: One thing that just came up today, Nas apparently has a response to Jay Z’s “The Takeover” on his upcoming album, which implicates you and Pun and includes the lyrics: “Call yourself gangsta but you were begging for pardon that night in Carbon when Terror Squad flipped on your squadron tried to front on their checks till Pun put a gun to your chest.”

Fat Joe: We gotta hear it but damn, what a way to put me right in the middle of the beef huh? We don’t comment on that, that’s old news. Like I said all the negative energy all that sht you can throw that out the window.
Nas is crazy. No question that we are allies with Nas Escobar. We love Nas. I almost named my son after Nas. As far as him and Jay Z with the beef: that’s they stuff. Until somebody tries to involve me in that sht, that’s it. I ain’t got no problem with the whole Rocafella. It’s well documented. Everybody keeps trying to get me to talk about that sh*t in every interview. Why don’t they ask Jay Z that stuff? I read his interveiws, nobody asks him. If you interview him, ask him.

Verse 1:

So you call yourself god mc… J-hova\
drunk the glass of blasphemy & forgot to pray over\
your games over\ crossed the warpath of a brave soldier\
youre a makeover\ my protege trying to takeover\ I was the sheperd that led you\ But you bit the hand that fed you\ mad cause since I met you i never did respect you\ and as hard as it seems\ you know that I fathered your dreams\ you was a groupie always begging to be part of my team\ another case of a boy and his teacher\ I was the first to poison your speakers\ so kill all that noise that your preaching\ I understand\ all your plans to underhand\ aired threats of you pullin my card next summerjam\ let me make this clear hova\ You had my left overs\ she told me your little problem of the day when you slept over\ but thats another subject homey\ ***** you phony\
Im coming to collect the debt from the years that you owe me\ so what you capitlized... only cause i allowed\ Im taking aim at your dome\ and reclaiming my throne\
“Who said I that i aint still nasty”

Verse 2:

How you planned on facing\ the half man half-amazing\
Dont need a fam, Nas is a one man invasion\ claim you hot but you flopped with your roc-familia\ cause real recognize real and youre not familiar\
call yourself gansta but you were begging for pardon\
that night in carbon\ when terror squad flipped on your squadron\
Tried to front on their checks\ till pun put a gun to your chest\
YOu said it yourself dog, Nas is one of the best\
Dont need to search for some dirt to expose you\ I leave it up to the flow dispose you\ when i oppose you\ This is it Im calling ya\ come out and play like “warriors”\
studied my blueprint then pieced together your formula\
Guess the knowledge I speak too deep to follow\
that`s why your stomach to weak to swallow\ The real truth
that Nas is\ the greates of all timers\
f*ck skeletons, keep only weaponry in my closets

Also from the Rapper Cuban Linx about the beef between Jay Z and Big Pun.

“Actually, the Roc-A-Fella shit, it was a little brawl. It was some business negotiations that went sour,” he told ThisIs50 Radio. “Jay-Z was supposed to perform for 15 G’s or something like that, and it was like some street niggas that we knew that hired him. He didn’t go and perform. He just showed up.”

The two camps met at a label to settle the discrepancy, but Hov brought along some children to make sure that no shots rang out. “All I remember was Jay-Z doing the Matrix in the room by the couch, and Pun chasing him,” he said. “Joe talking shit. The pressure was definitely put on. I love Jay.”

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But the Brothers are all good, fathers with daughters and tons of success, a legacy and money. So the great thing this was a lyrical battle between 2 of the best ever. A great debate. The REAL question?

Will we EVER have a debate like this with the current rap generation???
 
So no one gonna mention that this was ENTIRELY Bleek's fault?

That in actually Nas and Jay had no issues?
 
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