Of course he doesn't man but that's what he wants!
Don't forget that fame and hit records is what most artists (like 50) wants at the end of the day, doesn't matter how many he's had in the past man he wants hits NOW.
50 Cent and Steve Stoute confrontation at MSG
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Of course he doesn't man but that's what he wants!
Don't forget that fame and hit records is what most artists (like 50) wants at the end of the day, doesn't matter how many he's had in the past man he wants hits NOW.
How so? You can't make people buy a artist. Meek Mill aint' never going platinum. Shit Rick Ross ain't never going platinum. But in order to make money in this industry you don't have to go platinum. No matter what Flo Rida will NEVER be a platinum seller. Neither will Pitbull. They however are VERY profitable despite never selling more than 300,000 records.
Y'all really need to come to grips that he standard for artists is no longer "platinum" when last year Jay Z, Drake, Eminem, Macklemore and Kendrick were the only rappers who sold over 1 million records. Nicki Minaj didn't do it. J. Cole didn't. Kanye West didn't. Lil' Wayne didn't. But Rick Ross suppose to make Wale and Meek go platinum?
Rozay has his own video production company in MMG films and they've done videos for their own artists as well as other artists. They don't have to pay Colin Tilley or Hype Williams or Benny Boom to shoot 5 or 6 videos for their artists. They have the team to do it on a solid budget and not on some handheld camera shit.
Ciroc and other companies also sponsor their videos to take care of the budget of those videos.
Actually Flo Rida singles go platinum.
http://www.mtv.com/artists/flo-rida/biography/
"Flo Rida is quickly approaching a remarkable 60 million singles sold worldwide. “Wild Ones (feat. Sia)” marks the superstar’s sixth consecutive RIAA platinum certified single not to mention his fifth top 5 hit on the all-encompassing Billboard “Hot 100” chart."
Ross isn't, but he's damn good at fakin it.
He's second tier
But when you look at it, Drake is hotter as an artist...but Ross is better from a business stand point
He parlayed gold albums to his own label. You have Drake and Nicki up under someone else. Jeezy never did shit with his label. TI got lucky with B.O.B.
If he couldn't create enough momentum for an album with songs with Dre, Em, Alicia Keys, Maroon 5 dude...his career is
Just like he couldn't make SMS Audio hot, so he brought in Melo and Timbaland
For a dude who banked 100s of millions if dollars off hip hop who is not beholding to a major label anymore because that's pretty much the music landscape now with no artist development
How is 50 career done? Last I checked each and everyone of his mix tapes he ever dropped was flames..
His mainstream releases been lackluster but as a businessman and artist his career is far from over
Dre hasn't dropped anything got since the chronic is his career over? How bout snoop?
You know who career over? Young berg, soujah boy, chingy etc
A nigga like 50 ain't going no where lmao
like i said before a lot of rappers did that before ross. hell gucci did it before ross. master p did the same thing maybe not with mixtapes but it all comes down to the same thing. and this is my opinion but ross build mmg with his albums.
like i said wale was under shipped by interscope and still did 100k. wale made a name i can remember people complaining that they couldnt get his album. my point is wale was already out there he wasnt a nobody. meek was the hottest upcoming rapper in the game. he would have done well regardless. and to be real i keep saying this ross mismanaged meek mill. he basically fucked up his buzz. meek should have went gold easily.
you are talking about nicky's third album or second album. i was talking about the first. but still she went plat with all her albums. sam for Drake.
and ok i will even give you that they pop artist. what about kendrick?? i mentioned him too. why u didnt say nothing about kendrick? like i said ross done good but lets not get carried away.
50 opens his mouth all the time
Wasn't he saying Fat Joe wasn't hot?
50 and Fat Joe were never in business together... Stoute and 50 were.
The fact that Ross has a label and not a record company contradicts your point. Oh and the fact that he has to wait for someone else to decide when his album can drop also contradicts your point.
Ross signed good artist who had their own hustle...Wale and Meek have their own hustle. They're not dependent on Ross. And that's why they have albums, versus Stalley.
Meek didn't do it with his album.
The intro can't be the hottest thing on your album.
Naw, I'm saying Stoute opened his mouth like 50 used to.
50 used to constantly talk about other peoples situations...like TI's.
Chickens coming home to roost when people think you're not longer hot like that...just like if he was still hot he wouldn't reach out to Fat Joe or Young Buck.
this is true he wants it. he says it everytime its like drugs
true too. people like, jay 50 and diddy will always b relevant cause of the money they made.
the thing is b.o.b was a nobody ti saw something in him and signed him and build him up. it worked.
Then we are related?
Oh and the fact that he has to wait for someone else to decide when his album can drop also contradicts your point.
exactly
as far as meek goes he put all his hottest shit on his mixtapes and the mmg compilation album. he forgot that he had a album coming. thats what i meant with ross mismanaging him. he should have told meek nah keep these for the album. also ross shouldnt have dropped the mmg compilation before meeks album another big mistake.
this was dope too
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That wasn't my point stupid
Your point was that Ross was not under anyone but he is. If he weren't...then his album would be out right now.
For a dude who banked 100s of millions if dollars off hip hop who is not beholding to a major label anymore because that's pretty much the music landscape now with no artist development
How is 50 career done? Last I checked each and everyone of his mix tapes he ever dropped was flames..
His mainstream releases been lackluster but as a businessman and artist his career is far from over
Dre hasn't dropped anything got since the chronic is his career over? How bout snoop?
You know who career over? Young berg, soujah boy, chingy etc
A nigga like 50 ain't going no where lmao
Musically, nobody is checkin for him musically.
50 loves the spotlight and attention...that's why he's showing up at the Daytona 500 or go to the radio with no album.
He's not like Em, who can just fade in to obscurity.
I agree, TI's arrest and now his reality show have fucked up his momentum though.
He has the clothing label, not sure how that's doing, but it looks better than that Trukfit shit.
I follow you... I'm just saying Stoute's comments come from a bitter place... and Stoute's character is why he got checked.
I mean, like I said in another post, Stoute is the SAME guy who talked INCREDIBLY GREASY about Jay, Dame and Puffy.. in my presence... yet... You couldn't pry him from under Jay's nuts right now.
Plus, if Fat Joe was to step to 50... then... 50 would have to stand on his words... This is something that Stoute DOES NOT DO... Stoute is a master of copping pleas...
No, dummy...my point was Ross has done more with less
He has his own label, as opposed to people who have sold three and four times the amount he has. So he's trying to have influence beyond music.
Even J Cole is trying to do something. Drake even has a inside producer and isn't doing much with his popularity. Dude started out as an actor...even did SNL...where's the movies? Meanwhile Ross' non-acting ass appeared on a episode of a TV Show and made it in to a fuckin movie premier.
Drake gets some special OVO Jordan's which is nice and all, but are they paying him? As opposed to Ross and Reebok or even Meek with Puma and Monster.
Now sit your window lickin ass down fuck boy...grown non retarded folks are having a discussion
Then you need to sit yo ass down.
Thinking man right here. Cosign
You said he markets his artist like no one before him... I disagree...
..and while Flo and Pitbull may never go Platinum again... Ross may never go... PERIOD.
My thing is... You can't talk about his marketing genius... when his artists' numbers are so underwhelming...
If you wanna talk about 'RIGHT NOW'... TDE is killing the game... FREEBAND is the HOTTEST niggas in the south.... Chicago has a bunch of HOT new young niggas...
The bottom line... You can't lower the bar for Ross...
The same bar that was set for ALL of these dudes... AND ladies...
MMG is no different.
I can't hold him to a different standard.
Okay but his artists aren't underwhelming though.
Let me use a football analogy to make my point clearer.
When Cowboys drafted Quincy Carter he wasn't shit. Part of it he didn't have a good team around him. Had a OC that didn't believe in him. Was terrible. Had to be taught throwing motions and was ultimately benched for some great white hypes Drew Henson and Chad Hutchinson......
Bill Parcells comes to town...looks at all the qb's and he determines someone fucked up and that Quincy gave his team the best chance to win. In the year with Parcells he put up 17 touchdowns and 21 int's. Terrible......BUT he got his squad into the post season. So do you say well damn.....his stats sucks because his stats aren't as good as Peyton Manning's or do you say you know what? He took a 5 win team to the playoffs.....
Meek and Wale ain't platinum artists. Going platinum isn't about talent. Its about your marketability. Its about your superstar. Artists like Drake and Nicki.....they're in mainstream movies. Meek Mill will never be in no Anchorman 3 or no shit like that showing off his comedic side or on Saturday Night Live. That's not his lane.
Kool G Rap never went platinum either. It wasn't lack of promotion. He's just not commercial. No matter how many marketing dollars you put into Kool G Rap in his prime he was never gonna go platinum.
And Freeband? You not talking about Future shit are you?
Them chicago niggas and Freebands the hottest niggas out but MMG and Rick Ross not relevant? Once again bringing up Curtis.....its two different entities man........One is catered to making Redbox and Netflix movies. One is catered in developing music artists. Its two different ventures. You have to see the bigger picture. "Cheeta Vision" isn't about artist development. I'm referring to his albums. He's never gone platinum.....I don't believe even gold last I checked.
Gucci was not doing what Rick Ross does with his videos. Shit Rawse MMG films done did videos for Gucci and done got Ciroc to pay for them.
And please. Wale shit wasn't "under shipped". That nigga was gonna flop. That's why you "under ship" a album.
You don't do it because you think its gonna be a hit. He had no hit singles. He had no direction. Nike Boots was a tough banger but it wasn't poppin'. Wale didn't start poppin' until after the Flocka single. Let's don't kid ourselves here. Now if you want to give him credit for that than fine. But DC radio stations wouldn't even play the nigga music and no one else was either. And I can't explain Kendrick other than he had the Interscope and Aftermath brand behind him. I can't explain how someone like him made it mainstream like he did. I can't even explain how J. Cole is a gold artist or how Macklemore is platinum. Those are 3 cases I never got and shit never even try to get. That's no hate though. For those 3 acts to do well changed the landscape of the rap game for the better IMO.
Yep if one artist is to blame where he is at, it's TI. He fucked up doing all that dumbshit.
As far as clothing goes I read somewhere that jeezy's line is killing.
Cosign
Somebody gets it, white people rule black folks because they have US thinking we can only do one thing at a time. When that don't work were finished. 50 is 37 years old he had his musical time in the Sun. He not broke and he still has money coming in from multiple sources. The worse thing you can do is not know when your time has come. Ice Cube puts out albums still but mainly for fun because he likes doing it. He makes his money in films.
Yet it was suppose to come out in December.
bro gucci mane was dropping mixtape videos before ross even thought about starting mmg.Gucci was not doing what Rick Ross does with his videos. Shit Rawse MMG films done did videos for Gucci and done got Ciroc to pay for them.
And please. Wale shit wasn't "under shipped". That nigga was gonna flop. That's why you "under ship" a album.
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and as far as wale goes you are not getting the point. my point wale has a fanbase he already made a name for himself. shit he sold 100k rappers get labels deals for that. it wasnt gonna be hard building him up from there.
and this proves my point. there is no reason why wale or meek mill should be selling like how they are selling. they should at least have had 1 plat album or close to a plat with all the hype they got. u cant tell me that j cole or kendrick are more marketable than meek mill or wale. shit cole and kendrick already sold 1/3 albums ross has sold.
So Wale sold 100k on the Interscope machine and does 500k on MMG/Atlantic? You think his fan base who btw didn't want him to sign to MMG because they thought his music would change, just decided to up and buy his album? Come on. "The Way" with Jeremih gave him a solid push.
And that point makes no sense. It would make sense if every artist was going platinum. Then you can say they are underachieving. But in a landscape where 50 Cent' can't even DROP A ALBUM let alone go gold, TIP barely going gold, Kanye West barely going Gold, Fabolous can't even go gold anymore, Nelly, over 25 million records sold doing 22,000 album sales.........Christina Aguleria can't go Gold anymore.......
I don't understand why are you taking a select few artist who are the EXCEPTIONS and pretending like they are the minority. Meek and Wale could be doing Ace Hood and Nelly numbers. Let's don't act like what they are doing is some small feat. I'm not big upping' them or none of that for their sales. I'm just being real.
Because IMO, the rap game isn't even about sales anymore. If you can go and do a city to city tour like 2 Chainz and Juicy J and Wale be doing than that IMO means you have a steady career going for you.
I don't understand some of the logic you guys be using at times but I swear I try to....
bro those artist had they run. you naming artist that been out since 2000 what you talking about
you talking about artists that have 14 years or more behind their name. you wanna compare wale and meek to them? nah you compare wale and meek to artist that came out with them. those cats are jcole. drake,nicky,kendrick, mackelmore, asap, wiz khalifa etc etc.
bro speaking about touring everybody tours b. hell action bransom be touring like hell and he aint even mainstream.
you talking about logic almost everybody in this thread is saying the same maybe u should check your logic b. im just saying
bro those artist had they run. you naming artist that been out since 2000 what you talking about
nah you compare wale and meek to artist that came out with them. those cats are jcole. drake,nicky,kendrick, mackelmore, asap, wiz khalifa etc etc.
bro speaking about touring everybody tours b. hell action bransom be touring like hell and he aint even mainstream.
you talking about logic almost everybody in this thread is saying the same maybe u should check your logic b. im just saying
Ayyy you could be right. Maybe my logic is flawed.
Off the top....
French Montana - 200,000
Big Krit - 100k
Wiz 500k
2 Chainz 200k
Currensy - 90k
Kid Cudi - 260k
Future - 300k
ASAP Rocky - 360k
Big Sean - 135k
J. Cole - 600k
Kendrick 1.1 mill
Aubrey - 1.4 million
Juicy J -160k
Ace Hood - 80k
Any other artists i'm missing out on?
My point is, selling like J. Cole, Kendrick and Macklemore ain't the majority. Those are the exceptions and aren't the standards.
THis shit go hard for real!!
Fifty always say some funny shit in his songs...nikka said you a petty nikka you a car thief ass nikka.
Steve Stoute ain't built like that. and LOL @ the article saying Steve stood up to him.
From a music stand point yeah people will talk like 50 use too however 50 spoke on niggas whole lives, money and all types of other shit.. What saves 50 is how he flipped that 1 mill signing bonus into over 100 mill...
So yeah people gonna take about 50 being irrelevant music wise and then they will stop right there lmaoo
Notice stout did the same thing... He know 50 loot is official that's not a question....
But in the totality of things 50 is very much relevant and still a house hold name...
I say he need to get back on that mixtape grind.. Haven't ward one wack mixtape from dude...
Jayz lyrically is not relevant how can he been he can't be takin bout gun slinging and selling rocks now lmaooo you can even hear in his delivery he aint the same no more..
Honestly hip hop is a young man's game now.. It's the only genre of music where you have to get a successful run long enough to flip it into something else and let your catalogue speak for you 20 yrs from now where u can still do concerts
Like the big daddy Kane's, rakim, wu tang etc
...wait, WHAT?!?!?
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