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FOX recently announced the advancement of a BATMAN-themed project that has been in development hell for years.


bruce.jpg

Fox has greenlit its pre-Batman series “Gotham” to pilot and now says young Bruce Wayne will join young James Gordon, young Oswald Cobblepot, young Edward Nigma and young Selina Kyle as a character in the hourlong.

Fox chief Kevin Reilly said the series will start with Bruce around age 12, and end with him donning the cape and cowl.
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But it seems all the issues with the original concept seemed to be solved by using EXACT ideas from a Kevin Smith & Paul Dini podcast detailing how THEY would develop a potential BATMAN-based series outlining his youth.


My QUESTION is this...

If you post a TV concept, script, detailed outline, product advertisement idea, etc. on a board like BGOL and then the it is USED EXACTLY like it was posted...

Do you have ANY LEGAL standing AT ALL???​
 
No one should be able to steal your vision because it is yours!
Very rarely an idea you have will be original.

It is human nature to improve on previous work. That's logical.

Remember you cannot copyright/patent an idea.
You can only copyright/patent an original expression of an idea.

Idea: Car Expression: Lexus


I feel like Nate Dogg on this subject:dance:

 
It depends, i'm not a lawyer but creative work is protected if you can prove it but a company like fox would have deep pockets and a gang of resources to cover their (lies) (ass) if need be.

You have to be careful about posting stuff like that here so many lurkers in the right circles can and will come up off that hard work (THAT'S THE GAME PLAYA)
 
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tical said:
I have no idea..What are you trying to say? Did you come up with this?:confused:
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no it just a real interesting topic and is becoming a big topic in comic circles...

but many dudes on bgol can attest that topics discussed here FIRST have been shown on popular TV shows and radio shows after.

And many business ideas have originate here too.

I am DAMN sure I remember a member posting the whole concept for rapgenius very early on.

but I always wondered if you posted something like that on here for example and then it was actually initiated do you have ANY ownership to it?
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
I doubt you do. you have to prove that they got it directly from you. and you have to own the idea itself
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That is my question Bills how would claim ownership of the "idea"?

For example, you and I have went pages dissecting a show and gotten as specific as character arcs, script changes, location, direction, air time, etc.

And what if EVERY ONE of those suggestions were made in one fell swoop a few weeks after we posted it.

do we have ANY legal recourse?
 
playahaitian said:
no it just a real interesting topic and is becoming a big topic in comic circles...

but many dudes on bgol can attest that topics discussed here FIRST have been shown on popular TV shows and radio shows after.

And many business ideas have originate here too.

I am DAMN sure I remember a member posting the whole concept for rapgenius very early on.

but I always wondered if you posted something like that on here for example and then it was actually initiated do you have ANY ownership to it?
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Nope, But I've been in contact with a few folks on the board that are in the process or almost completed writing books. Some Software and others some innovative science papers.:yes::yes:

Ive advise them all not to post their material in the public forum until they've gotten their business legally protected.

That's unfortunate man...:smh:

The latest is the idea that Uncontained Spirit has proposed. DELETE THAT THREAD FAM!!!
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
I doubt you do. you have to prove that they got it directly from you. and you have to own the idea itself
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No one can own an idea unless it's (invented work) or (copyrighted)work from an idea, but a idea non the less is not protected because everyone can have the same idea as me, it's just a footrace to see who can patent, copyright or trademark it first

That's the game playa.:cool::cool:
 
playahaitian said:
That is my question Bills how would claim ownership of the "idea"?

For example, you and I have went pages dissecting a show and gotten as specific as character arcs, script changes, location, direction, air time, etc.

And what if EVERY ONE of those suggestions were made in one fell swoop a few weeks after we posted it.

do we have ANY legal recourse?
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doubt it. everything is free on the internet

agnostic-antwon said:
No one can own an idea unless it's (invented work) or (copyrighted)work from an idea, but a idea non the less is not protected because everyone can have the same idea as me, it's just a footrace to see who can patent, copyright or trademark it first

That's the game playa.:cool::cool:
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that's what i mean by own. have the paperwork saying that it is in fact yours.
 
agnostic-antwon said:
No one can own an idea unless it's (invented work) or (copyrighted)work from an idea, but a idea non the less is not protected because everyone can have the same idea as me, it's just a footrace to see who can patent, copyright or trademark it first

That's the game playa.:cool::cool:
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:itsawrap:

6 billion people on the planet youre not the only one thinking along those lines..shit happens to me from time to time..:dunno:
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
doubt it. everything is free on the internet



that's what i mean by own. have the paperwork saying that it is in fact yours.
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It's gon be a battle you need to think wisely about playa i have done some strong armed shit with trademarks that i won't discuss but you got caught slipping it's not about how many papers you have showing you wrote a good script let alone of a character some company owns the rights to and should be allowed to use (ideas) to keep that character generating revenue.

Unless it was a unique story like the matrix where shit could be traced by to you and your work, blog, short story, deviant art account, it might or might not be worth it.:confused::confused:
 
agnostic-antwon said:
It's gon be a battle you need to think wisely about playa i have done some strong armed shit with trademarks that i won't discuss but you got caught slipping it's not about how many papers you have showing you wrote a good script let alone of a character some company owns the rights to and should be allowed to use (ideas) to keep that character generating revenue.

Unless it was a unique story like the matrix where shit could be traced by to you and your work, blog, short story, deviant art account, it might or might not be worth it.:confused::confused:
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right though that's what im talking about. unique ideas that you come up with and it's source is directly from you.

everything else especially for things already in existence are fair game as far as im concerned because you don't own it from the beginning.

like i did a breaking bad alternative ending on here. and if it came up id just be flattered someone saw it. not pissed that my idea was stolen. it would mean im on the right track with my thinking
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
right though that's what im talking about. unique ideas that you come up with and it's source is directly from you.

everything else especially for things already in existence are fair game as far as im concerned because you don't own it from the beginning.

like i did a breaking bad alternative ending on here. and if it came up id just be flattered someone saw it. not pissed that my idea was stolen. it would mean im on the right track with my thinking
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I would suggest if you and others on here have mad script writing skills to create a BLOG it instantly gives you protection and retain a cheap copyright lawyer and post first to your blog then if you feel the need to fish for money :lol::lol: post it here but be sure to post this is protected work by playa ( just make the print sooooooooo danm tiny nobody could ever have known it was there) :lol::lol::lol:

And maybe just maybe you can become the predator instead of the prey http://www.blogelina.com/2013/05/9-ways-you-can-keep-your-blog-content-protected/


It's real in the field, but i ain't no lawyer so you have to take this with a grain of salt :):):)
 
playahaitian said:
FOX recently announced the advancement of a BATMAN-themed project that has been in development hell for years.


bruce.jpg

Fox has greenlit its pre-Batman series “Gotham” to pilot and now says young Bruce Wayne will join young James Gordon, young Oswald Cobblepot, young Edward Nigma and young Selina Kyle as a character in the hourlong.

Fox chief Kevin Reilly said the series will start with Bruce around age 12, and end with him donning the cape and cowl.
​
But it seems all the issues with the original concept seemed to be solved by using EXACT ideas from a Kevin Smith & Paul Dini podcast detailing how THEY would develop a potential BATMAN-based series outlining his youth.


My QUESTION is this...

If you post a TV concept, script, detailed outline, product advertisement idea, etc. on a board like BGOL and then the it is USED EXACTLY like it was posted...

Do you have ANY LEGAL standing AT ALL???​
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In this example, Fox would say they own the copyright for these characters on television. They've had multiple people working on ideas that they solicited input from. They weren't accepting any unsolicited treatments and you can't prove that you submitted one to them. In addition, any similarity between your idea and a proposed plotline for the show is coincidence and not evidence of theft of intellectual property.

Given the nature of these characters and their histories there are natural story progressions that writers would gravitate towards. So it's no surprise people would think of similar angles to develop.

Didn't you ever see that episode of What's Happening?
 
Several exclusive rights typically attach to the holder of a copyright:

to produce copies or reproductions of the work and to sell those copies (including, typically, electronic copies)
to import or export the work
to create derivative works (works that adapt the original work)
to perform or display the work publicly
to sell or cede these rights to others
to transmit or display by radio or video.

The Copyright holder has the exclusive right to create derivative works or adapt their original work - NO ONE else in the whole world has that right execpt the copyright holder or the enity that the copyright holder has given a license.

So if you have a great BAtman idea or plot or story unless you work with Warner/DC - go paper your bathroom with it because you cannot do anything with it- you need to work with them or its just fanfiction - however, you can create a Parody (such as the porn companies do ) Parodies are the only protected instances of copyright infringement - but it must specifically state its a Parody

as for an idea - I hate to break the bad news, but you can’t copyright an idea. Nobody can. Section 102(b) of the Copyright Act specifically states: “In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated or embodied in such work.
 
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playahaitian said:
* can you OWN a twitter or Facebook post?? Is it copyrighted? Wouldn't Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc OWN it?


Conan O'Brien Targeted in Lawsuit Claiming He Lifted Jokes from Twitter

Robert Kaseberg says his jokes about Tom Brady, Caitlyn Jenner, airlines and the Washington Monument made it into the late night host's monologue.
A San Diego man has filed a lawsuit against Conan O'Brien, TBS and others on the comedian's team for allegedly violating copyright on four jokes.

According to a complaint filed on July 22 in California federal court by Robert "Alex" Kaseberg, the jokes were posted on a personal blog and on Twitter before making it into O'Brien's late night show monologue.

Kaseberg, who says he contributed to The Tonight Show with Jay Leno for 20 years, states in the lawsuit he published the first joke in January 14, writing, "A Delta flight this week took off from Cleveland to New York with just two passengers. And they fought over control of the armrest the entire flight."

That same day, O'Brien made a similar joke on his show.

One of the other jokes dealt with Tom Brady and the other with Caitlyn Jenner. The fourth joke was about the Washington Monument.

"The Washington Monument is ten inches shorter than previously thought," Kaseberg tweeted. "You know the winter has been cold when a monument suffers from shrinkage."

This allegedly formed the basis for Conan's own joke.

"We at Conaco firmly believe there is no merit to this lawsuit," responds the production company behind the Conan television show.

The new lawsuit comes amid some focus on joke theft on Twitter. This past week, a few jokes published on the media service were removed, apparently at the request of a freelance writer. This led to numerous articles that Twitter was taking joke theft seriously, though it's probably nothing more than an individual submitting a simple form pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

Internet service providers only give light scrutiny towards takedown requests. By expeditiously removing material that's claimed to be a violation of copyright, services like Twitter gain an affirmative defense against copyright liability. Users who have material removed then have the opportunity of submitting a counter-notice, which typically results in restoration and provides notice to the rights holder of whom to sue if there's still a dispute.

Tweets stolen for broadcast television obviously invoke a very different legal process. Kaseberg is demanding hundreds of thousands of dollars in actual and statutory damages. Here's the full complaint.

UPDATED: And here's what Conan's sideman Andy Richter tweeted in response:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OH NO WE'VE BEEN FOUND OUT!!

Conan O'Brien Targeted in Lawsuit Claiming He Lifted Jokes from Twitter <a href="http://t.co/0uOcqQIMnK">http://t.co/0uOcqQIMnK</a></p>&mdash; Andy Richter (@AndyRichter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndyRichter/status/625745159930515456">July 27, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There's no possible way more than one person could have concurrently had these same species-elevating insights! THESE TAKES ARE TOO HOT!</p>&mdash; Andy Richter (@AndyRichter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndyRichter/status/625745890335035393">July 27, 2015</a></blockquote>
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the better question is, how do you patent an idea? I've got a community development idea that as far as I know is revolutionary. I haven't told many people because I fear the idea being stolen
 
you cannot patent an idea.

you can patent the execution of the idea, via methodology, process, compound, characters/names/storylines etc.
 

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