THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....
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You've been good at calling these things over the last couple months. At this point, I'd rather see DB get a monster push at Rumble. Like number one entrant that goes on to win it. And since there no Cena/Rock III this year, we can finally go back to the Rumble winner getting the main event spot at Mania.
Pipe dream. The main event, meaning the last match, will be whoever either Cena or Undertaker are facing. It is what it is.
You've been good at calling these things over the last couple months. At this point, I'd rather see DB get a monster push at Rumble. Like number one entrant that goes on to win it. And since there no Cena/Rock III this year, we can finally go back to the Rumble winner getting the main event spot at Mania.
I'm good at it because they're booking is soooooo basic. Once they were clear that there would be one winner and Orton was on his ass on the go-home show, it was as obvious as HBK turning at HitC (HHH telegraphs shit so blatantly, he steals the surprise element from the moment).
DB vs Cena/Orton didn't draw at SummerSlam or anything afterwards so I think it's a real stretch to think Vince will put him in the main event of Mania. It wasnt' his fault, the booking and promotion were horrible, but he's going to take the blame.
The Rumble used to be fun and it always made three guys: the guy who lasts the longest (but doesn't win), the guy who throws out the most people (but doesn't win), and the winner (always a big star already). But they've gotten away from that the last few years and it's lost a lot of it's steam.
I hope they go back to that.
With talk of Michaels doing a Mania match, that might be where they take Bryan after the Rumble. So if he doesn't win (and I don't think he will) and he doesn't win the inevitable triple threat match, look for him vs Michaels-Teacher vs Student in New Orleans.
I'm good at it because they're booking is soooooo basic. Once they were clear that there would be one winner and Orton was on his ass on the go-home show, it was as obvious as HBK turning at HitC (HHH telegraphs shit so blatantly, he steals the surprise element from the moment).
DB vs Cena/Orton didn't draw at SummerSlam or anything afterwards so I think it's a real stretch to think Vince will put him in the main event of Mania. It wasnt' his fault, the booking and promotion were horrible, but he's going to take the blame.
The Rumble used to be fun and it always made three guys: the guy who lasts the longest (but doesn't win), the guy who throws out the most people (but doesn't win), and the winner (always a big star already). But they've gotten away from that the last few years and it's lost a lot of it's steam.
I hope they go back to that.
With talk of Michaels doing a Mania match, that might be where they take Bryan after the Rumble. So if he doesn't win (and I don't think he will) and he doesn't win the inevitable triple threat match, look for him vs Michaels-Teacher vs Student in New Orleans.
Honestly, I think this is going to end up another rumor Meltzer got wrong. Michaels has stated numerous times on record he is comfortable in retirement. I can not see him coming back to wrestle. Referee? Sure. But wrestle? Nope. I will be believe that when I see it. Meaning, even if the match is announced, I expect for Michaels to be attacked, kidnapped, whatever it takes to "suddenly" pull him out of the match and have someone take his place.
Meltzer started it but I've heard it confirmed from other, more reliable sources. Now it's still in the talking stage but it's on the table and the one thing they don't do with Mania is jerk around with the main events.
But it all depends on what happens in the next 4-6 weeks.
Watching Main Event and it's one of the most boring ever.
The matches are so-so and even the commentary, which is normally at least decent, is below average, with Riley misnaming moves and shit.
Kaitlyn is regressing and gaining weight. She looks like a mix of ODB and Reggie Bennett (remember her?) and she just looked like shit in her match with AJ.
I know HHH was supposed to want more emphasis on the tag division and they have but they're fucking that up too. Three times a regular tag team, including the champs, got beat by makeshift team, one of which (Ryback and Axel) then goes on Main Event and loses to Foley Claus and the Miz (who is supposed to be a heel, right?).
And what happened to the Real Americans/Los Matadores feud? As silly as that gimmick was, it had a chance to get over and they've been off tv for a minute now. Epico and Primo are almost right back to where they were before.
The matches are so-so and even the commentary, which is normally at least decent, is below average, with Riley misnaming moves and shit.
Kaitlyn is regressing and gaining weight. She looks like a mix of ODB and Reggie Bennett (remember her?) and she just looked like shit in her match with AJ.
I know HHH was supposed to want more emphasis on the tag division and they have but they're fucking that up too. Three times a regular tag team, including the champs, got beat by makeshift team, one of which (Ryback and Axel) then goes on Main Event and loses to Foley Claus and the Miz (who is supposed to be a heel, right?).
And what happened to the Real Americans/Los Matadores feud? As silly as that gimmick was, it had a chance to get over and they've been off tv for a minute now. Epico and Primo are almost right back to where they were before.
With talk of Michaels doing a Mania match, that might be where they take Bryan after the Rumble. So if he doesn't win (and I don't think he will) and he doesn't win the inevitable triple threat match, look for him vs Michaels-Teacher vs Student in New Orleans.
I would love for HBK to do another match. Punk or D Bryan & im happy.
Im glad Brodis finally got his heel turn. Hope X Woods gets the girls or just Naomi. I remember Naomi saying they wanted to put her in a love story line on Total Divas.
I would love for HBK to do another match. Punk or D Bryan & im happy.
Im glad Brodis finally got his heel turn. Hope X Woods gets the girls or just Naomi. I remember Naomi saying they wanted to put her in a love story line on Total Divas.
Me too. I think the storyline is corny as fuck but it turns him heel and brings in a new star and gives that new star tv time (Xavier Woods).
I get a kick out of watching the former TNA tag champs in action on WWE tv (Ron Killings and Consequences Creed).
While it was convoluted, the Dixieland match was entertaining but I wouldn't want to see it all the time. A cage ladder match is one step too far.
They should have given Roode and Angle more time but they had another good match. Good when they can have great.
I absolutely love how Magnus brought up Hardy's heel turn from 10/10/10. I always like when they use the past to further a current storyline. That used to be how it was done all the time but WWE acts like nothing ever happened before a year ago and heel/face turns never happened.
As I said, I'll believe it when I see it. Michaels has been pretty adamant in several interviews that he is happy no longer wrestling in the ring. At this stage it hasn't even been officially announced. And let's not pretend that the WWE hasn't changed announced matches even DURING Wrestlemania in the past (Wrestlemania 19, for example). Or had made new matches during the show itself (Wrestlemania 11, for example). So yeah...it happens sometimes.
Oh we agree. I'll believe it when it's announced but it's on the table and just a matter of whether he wants to or not. I think that's why he's been back so much lately, for both sides to test the water.
But he shouldn't be supekicking anyone else if they aren't going to get to put him on his ass.
I just couldn't see where they were going with an opponent for Orton at Mania. It won't be Cena and it won't be Bryan but with Taker and Brock together most likely and them looking strongly at Punk and HHH, I just didn't see who else it could be.
Then I saw this
MAJOR, MAJOR NAME RETURNING TO WWE
by Mike Johnson @ 10:12 PM on 12/20/2013
Former WWE World champion Batista is advertised for the 2/16/14 WWE event in Las Vegas, Nevada at the Thomas & Mack Center via both radio ads and internet advertising.
In speaking to WWE sources this evening, they confirmed he was expected back (one source believed at the Royal Rumble as a surprise) and that the advertising was released prematurely, spoiling a planned surprise.
Batista had been talking to Triple H about a return at least as far back as last Spring, according to sources, but his acting schedule (he has a big part in Marvel's Guardians of The Galaxy) prevented him from doing anything.
Batista has long talked of wanting to come back for one final WWE run, as opposed to just coming back to do one big match. He quit the company in 2010, completely unhappy with the PG type of programming the company was producing at the time.
One of the sources we spoke with tonight believed Batista would be working with the company until he was needed to do promotional work for "Guardians", which is slated for a 8/1/14 theatrical release.
And unlike the Shawn Michaels talk, this is a done deal.
I saw the Magnus-Jeff Hardy Dixieland match and even though the entire concept is convoluted and I hate convoluted gimmick matches, they had a good match. And they pulled it off without a full heel turn of Magnus so he can still be a babyface for their tour of the UK.
Kurt Angle is in the stage where Ric Flair was in the 90s: good enough to have a good match and able to have a great one with the right guy with enough time but he's not the same guy he was 5 yrs before and it shows.
But props to TNA for at least understandin that it's time for the vets to put the younger guys over. Angle and Hardy lost and Sting, with his contract coming up, is set to feud with EC3.
There have been so many, it's hard to tell.
Maybe, considering the time and Vince saying it's frivolous, he was talking about the World Wildlife Foundation suing them over usage of the abbreviation - WWF.
If Del or someone else knows for sure, 'preciate it.
Maybe, considering the time and Vince saying it's frivolous, he was talking about the World Wildlife Foundation suing them over usage of the abbreviation - WWF.
If Del or someone else knows for sure, 'preciate it.
I been looking at how they been pushing Langston and Mark.....It seems like they setting up to put Langston against Mark at some point. I can see the "betrayal" coming....
Batista just trying to promote that Guardians of the Galaxy film. 
Sting likes him
or at least has fond memories.Hell, I don't see many people saying good things about Beefcake, who will swear he and Valentine taught the Bulldogs how to work. Greg maybe but Brutus? FOH.
That would cool because Mark Henry as a face is just dull to me.
I never got how big Henry was until he stood beside Big E.
Batista just trying to promote that Guardians of the Galaxy film.
Fuck yeah
. Worked for the Rock. I'm sure somebody at Marvel/ABC/Disney whispered in his ear. Not ordered it, just put it out there for him to think about
. But if he just comes in and only works Orton and/or Cena and/or HHH, it's a waste. They should use him like Jericho and RVD and help elevate the newer guys.
I met Mark Henry up close when him and Mideon came into the fast food restaurant I was working at in high school back around '99
Them muthafuckas ordered damn near a 12-piece meal for each one of them
I met Mark Henry up close when him and Mideon came into the fast food restaurant I was working at in high school back around '99
Them muthafuckas ordered damn near a 12-piece meal for each one of them
Just realized I meant to say Henry came in with Viscera, not Mideon to the Bojangles I was working at.
Man, we thought we were gonna run out of chicken, them boys ate so much food
I dislike it too. It seemed like earlier they were pushing him as a face but kept his his heel side like when he was going up against The Shield. Now they've got him back smiling and softening him up.
Just realized I meant to say Henry came in with Viscera, not Mideon to the Bojangles I was working at.
Man, we thought we were gonna run out of chicken, them boys ate so much food
When I seen you post that shit I said to myself...."Damn....atleast Viscera wasn't there".
Just realized I meant to say Henry came in with Viscera, not Mideon to the Bojangles I was working at.
Man, we thought we were gonna run out of chicken, them boys ate so much food
Henry and Viscera??!!!
Aw shit.
I worked at a Bojangles when I was younger and them two walking in would have got me excited as a wrestling fan but then I would have been pissed off if I had to work the grill or drop chicken.
That's one of those "Keep dropping chicken until I tell you to stop" orders.
and you know what comes next
jobbing out to guys they would have had him beat 6 months ago.
Heel Mark Henry rarely lost, Face Mark Henry rarely wins.
When I seen you post that shit I said to myself...."Damn....atleast Viscera wasn't there".
When I seen you post that shit I said to myself...."Damn....atleast Viscera wasn't there".
Henry and Viscera??!!!
Aw shit.
I worked at a Bojangles when I was younger and them two walking in would have got me excited as a wrestling fan but then I would have been pissed off if I had to work the grill or drop chicken.
That's one of those "Keep dropping chicken until I tell you to stop" orders.
I was excited, but I tried not to show it too much.
I was working the register and told them in the back to drop more chicken because I had a feeling we were gonna run low
The other workers didn't know who they were
They figured they were football players or something because they were so big
I had to tell them they were pro wrestlers and then they started asking for autographs
I got Henry's autograph on a piece of paper I found lying around (I still have it)
SHOCKING NAME GONE FROM TNA
by Mike Johnson @ 2:44 PM on 12/23/2013
TNA founder (and to the best of my knowledge, still a minority owner) Jeff Jarrett announced the following on his Twitter account:
"On December 22nd, 2013 I officially resigned from TNA Entertainment. Thanks to everyone involved for all the fantastic memories! #grateful"
PWInsider.com has confirmed the departure is legitimate and not part of a planned storyline.
Jarrett and his father Jerry founded TNA in 2002 with plans of running a weekly promotion with its TV series airing specifically as PPV. When that initial concept didn't work (and initial investor Healthsouth pulled out), the majority ownership of the company was sold to Panda Energy. Jery Jarrett was later bought out of his ownership by Panda as well.
Jarrett, a former WCW World champion and WWF Intercontinental champion, was the early top star for the promotion, working as the heel everything was built around. Jarrett was heavily involved in all facets of the company, which at times left him open to criticism of how much he was featured. Jarrett would always privately state that when someone else who could handle that role came into the company, he would back off.
That turned out to be true several years later when Kurt Angle came into the company and quickly became one of the top TNA attractions. Jarrett remained on camera as an important part of storylines but began focusing more on his behind the scenes duties.
With the exception of a time period where Jarrett took time off from the company out of respect due to then-personal issues between Kurt Angle and his ex-wife Karen (who Jarrett had begun dating and later married), Jarrett has always been one of the main cogs in the TNA machine.
Although Jarrett had not appeared on TNA TV in some time, he had been heavily involved with forging relationships with international promotions, including AAA in Mexico and the Great Muta's Wrestle-1 in Japan as well as trying to develop new TNA programming, such as Ring Ka King for Endemol in India and the All Wheels Wrestling TV pilot that meshed pro wrestling and car racing.
Since the demise of the Eric Bischoff-Hulk Hogan era of TNA, Jarrett had been more publicly involved in the company's behind the scenes at live events and TV tapings, returning to something of an agent's role and being heavily involved in production meetings. There was some talk of Jeff and Karen Jarrett eventually returning to TV, but obviously, that is not to be. The current TNA 365 social media initiative was something Jarrett pitched three years ago that was dropped when the Hogan/Bischoff regime moved into power.
As of this writing, there is no word what caused Jarrett's exit from the company he founded, which would make him a free agent for the first time since he began formulating plans to launch TNA. Jarrett signed with WWF in 1995 and since that time, had bounced back between WCW and the WWF. When WCW shut down in 2001, Jarrett spent some time working internationally and then went to work on building TNA after a fateful fishing trip with his father and Bob Ryder where the initial concept of the company was born.
It should be noted that there has always been an undercurrent of politics within the company with certain aspects (and staff) being on the Jarrett side of things and others being on the Dixie Carter side, but there's no word whether there was some sort of blow-up between those two sides that would have been a factor here - a similar blow-up several years ago led to a number of staffers who would have been considered Jarrett's allies, including Dutch Mantel and Brian James, being let go from the company as agents.
To say this turn of events may be the most shocking of TNA's year (and perhaps even their history) is an understatement. Jarrett (and his family, including his late wife Jill) put a lot of time and effort into launching and building TNA, especially during the early days of the TNA Asylum events. From an emotional perspective, TNA was Jeff's baby. It was important enough to him that even as his first wife was gravely ill with cancer, he was flying in to work the PPVs and TV tapings before heading right back home to Nashville. The departure could not have been an easy break for any involved.
The DNA of TNA in many ways came from Jeff's own DNA but as 2013 ends, the promotion will have to move forward without it's original heart and soul.
As fashionable as it is to call the promotion "Dixieland" now, without Jarrett, TNA wouldn't have ever existed to provide a forum for a lot of talented performers to make a living. He put it all on the line for TNA to exist and now, it will have to exist without him.
A number of TNA talents have already taken to Twitter to pay tribute to Jarrett for what he's given them. Privately, many are already talking about what ripple effects the departure means for the long-term health of the company, because to them, the idea of Jarrett walking away from something he invested so much into, is mind-blowing.
Jarrett's next move will be very interesting to follow. WWE is at the point where veteran workers are more valuable than ever (see Goldust). AAA in Mexico has been using Jarrett regularly and has long talked of moving into the United States as a touring entity once the series debuts on the new El Rey Network. The independent scene will be happy to pay for someone with Jarrett's pedigree. Japan is more than willing to hire talents with a strong American name as well. With having as much time out of the ring, domestically, as he has, Jarrett is a pretty fresh and rested name to the average fan as well.
On his Twitter yesterday, Jarrett wrote, "Resolve to be a master of change rather than a victim of change." ~ Brian Tracy"
It appears Jarrett has chosen, indeed, to be that master of change. 2014 kicks off a new era for Jarrett and TNA both and it will interesting to see what that change brings.
This is usually a slow period in wrestling but damn, shit is happening right and left.
Jeff hadn't been on tv in a long time but still, it's incredible to think of TNA without Jeff Jarrett.
by Mike Johnson @ 2:44 PM on 12/23/2013
TNA founder (and to the best of my knowledge, still a minority owner) Jeff Jarrett announced the following on his Twitter account:
"On December 22nd, 2013 I officially resigned from TNA Entertainment. Thanks to everyone involved for all the fantastic memories! #grateful"
PWInsider.com has confirmed the departure is legitimate and not part of a planned storyline.
Jarrett and his father Jerry founded TNA in 2002 with plans of running a weekly promotion with its TV series airing specifically as PPV. When that initial concept didn't work (and initial investor Healthsouth pulled out), the majority ownership of the company was sold to Panda Energy. Jery Jarrett was later bought out of his ownership by Panda as well.
Jarrett, a former WCW World champion and WWF Intercontinental champion, was the early top star for the promotion, working as the heel everything was built around. Jarrett was heavily involved in all facets of the company, which at times left him open to criticism of how much he was featured. Jarrett would always privately state that when someone else who could handle that role came into the company, he would back off.
That turned out to be true several years later when Kurt Angle came into the company and quickly became one of the top TNA attractions. Jarrett remained on camera as an important part of storylines but began focusing more on his behind the scenes duties.
With the exception of a time period where Jarrett took time off from the company out of respect due to then-personal issues between Kurt Angle and his ex-wife Karen (who Jarrett had begun dating and later married), Jarrett has always been one of the main cogs in the TNA machine.
Although Jarrett had not appeared on TNA TV in some time, he had been heavily involved with forging relationships with international promotions, including AAA in Mexico and the Great Muta's Wrestle-1 in Japan as well as trying to develop new TNA programming, such as Ring Ka King for Endemol in India and the All Wheels Wrestling TV pilot that meshed pro wrestling and car racing.
Since the demise of the Eric Bischoff-Hulk Hogan era of TNA, Jarrett had been more publicly involved in the company's behind the scenes at live events and TV tapings, returning to something of an agent's role and being heavily involved in production meetings. There was some talk of Jeff and Karen Jarrett eventually returning to TV, but obviously, that is not to be. The current TNA 365 social media initiative was something Jarrett pitched three years ago that was dropped when the Hogan/Bischoff regime moved into power.
As of this writing, there is no word what caused Jarrett's exit from the company he founded, which would make him a free agent for the first time since he began formulating plans to launch TNA. Jarrett signed with WWF in 1995 and since that time, had bounced back between WCW and the WWF. When WCW shut down in 2001, Jarrett spent some time working internationally and then went to work on building TNA after a fateful fishing trip with his father and Bob Ryder where the initial concept of the company was born.
It should be noted that there has always been an undercurrent of politics within the company with certain aspects (and staff) being on the Jarrett side of things and others being on the Dixie Carter side, but there's no word whether there was some sort of blow-up between those two sides that would have been a factor here - a similar blow-up several years ago led to a number of staffers who would have been considered Jarrett's allies, including Dutch Mantel and Brian James, being let go from the company as agents.
To say this turn of events may be the most shocking of TNA's year (and perhaps even their history) is an understatement. Jarrett (and his family, including his late wife Jill) put a lot of time and effort into launching and building TNA, especially during the early days of the TNA Asylum events. From an emotional perspective, TNA was Jeff's baby. It was important enough to him that even as his first wife was gravely ill with cancer, he was flying in to work the PPVs and TV tapings before heading right back home to Nashville. The departure could not have been an easy break for any involved.
The DNA of TNA in many ways came from Jeff's own DNA but as 2013 ends, the promotion will have to move forward without it's original heart and soul.
As fashionable as it is to call the promotion "Dixieland" now, without Jarrett, TNA wouldn't have ever existed to provide a forum for a lot of talented performers to make a living. He put it all on the line for TNA to exist and now, it will have to exist without him.
A number of TNA talents have already taken to Twitter to pay tribute to Jarrett for what he's given them. Privately, many are already talking about what ripple effects the departure means for the long-term health of the company, because to them, the idea of Jarrett walking away from something he invested so much into, is mind-blowing.
Jarrett's next move will be very interesting to follow. WWE is at the point where veteran workers are more valuable than ever (see Goldust). AAA in Mexico has been using Jarrett regularly and has long talked of moving into the United States as a touring entity once the series debuts on the new El Rey Network. The independent scene will be happy to pay for someone with Jarrett's pedigree. Japan is more than willing to hire talents with a strong American name as well. With having as much time out of the ring, domestically, as he has, Jarrett is a pretty fresh and rested name to the average fan as well.
On his Twitter yesterday, Jarrett wrote, "Resolve to be a master of change rather than a victim of change." ~ Brian Tracy"
It appears Jarrett has chosen, indeed, to be that master of change. 2014 kicks off a new era for Jarrett and TNA both and it will interesting to see what that change brings.
This is usually a slow period in wrestling but damn, shit is happening right and left.
Jeff hadn't been on tv in a long time but still, it's incredible to think of TNA without Jeff Jarrett.
I was excited, but I tried not to show it too much.
I was working the register and told them in the back to drop more chicken because I had a feeling we were gonna run low
The other workers didn't know who they were
They figured they were football players or something because they were so big
I had to tell them they were pro wrestlers and then they started asking for autographs
I got Henry's autograph on a piece of paper I found lying around (I still have it)
The world's poultry population probably dropped by 2% by the time they came outta there.
Maybe it's too soon, but I can't think of a TNA without Jarrett. I was actually hoping they would put him back on tv. I still think the best era of TNA was back in the heavy use of Jarrett, 6 sided ring, and X Division days. I think that era was their height of being original (i.e. doing their own thing and not trying to compete with WWE)
You're correct Jarrett put his heart and soul into TNA. He forge alliances in Japan,India,Mexico just to give TNA that world appeal. But, now my presumption I predicted earlier in the year TNA could be gone in 2014. I hate to say it but i'm calling it.
Since Hulk is gone they need to go back to the 6 sided ring. Im subscribed to their Youtube channel but I don't even check it out anymore to keep up to date with whats going on with them. I haven't checked it out since Ken Anderson came back & it was only that segment I watched.
02-06 was the best Era imo when it comes to TNA, the weekly ppvs and deal with Fox Sports made them seem like a fun indy promotion. As time went on and they tried to match WWE that's when they lost what made them special, the reality is they could never compete with a 400mil a year company so it was destined to fail. If they had stayed mid-tier they would've been fine financially.
I wouldn't say that at all. They just signed a new international tv deal in India.
Going into 2014, they won't have 5-6 ppvs taped in a week, the contracts of Hogan and maybe AJ, and they won't be taping every ep on the road. Plus they've started working with other companies like Tommy Dreamer's House of Hardcore.
Unlike WCW, they made the hard decisions before shit got bad.
Talent hated the 6 sided ring. AJ has been open that it was too stiff and he was relieved they went with the regular ring.
That's the thing, they couldn't stay at that level. That's what killed ECW: they were too big to be small but too small to be big. Paul Heyman couldn't make it work anymore.
BOBBY EATON HOSPITALIZED
by Mike Johnson @ 9:52 PM on 12/23/2013
All time great Bobby Eaton was hospitalized yesterday in Jonesboro, Arkansas due to complications from diabetes, which caused some issues with his legs.
We are told told that Eaton will be held a few days for observation, so he will likely spend Christmas in the hospital. Please keep he and his family in your thoughts.
Eaton has also been dealing with some heart issues, but since having a Pacemaker installed, he's been doing much better in that regard.
On behalf of everyone at the site, we wish Eaton, one of the nicest guys ever in the business as well as one of the most talented, a quick recovery and send our best to his family
Vince Says No More Heels and Faces
Posted by Steve Carrier on 12/26/2013 at 05:37 PM
- For what it's worth, Vince McMahon said there are no more babyfaces and heels at a recent creative meeting.
http://nodq.com/wwe/390104163.shtml
Posted by Steve Carrier on 12/26/2013 at 05:37 PM
- For what it's worth, Vince McMahon said there are no more babyfaces and heels at a recent creative meeting.
http://nodq.com/wwe/390104163.shtml
He's just trying to make an excuse for his #1 face getting booed like a #1 heel
There are faces & heels still in wrestling as proven by every other wrestling promotion on the planet, the problem with Vince is he's seeing his faces outside of Punk & Bryan get booed and his heels get little to no reaction.
He's just trying to make an excuse for his #1 face getting booed like a #1 heel
Sounds about right
