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Kanye West Compares Himself To The Main Character In ’12 Years A Slave’
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yea, its weird that as much as kanye and tyler refer to each other as friends and hang out, you would think that kanye would be taking cues from him about doing your own shit independently. but like yall said, it's about 'needing' acceptance from white people.
There is absolutely NO truth to what he is saying. There is NO comparison, not even in the slightest. There is NO aspect of what he is referencing that is even remotely reminiscent of any aspect of slavery whatsoever. NONE. Anyone trying to find a connection or justification is a fucking fool who needs to educate themselves and step away from the fucking celebrity worship and step toward a fucking book ASAP.
This nothing like what Dave or Martin went through. Nothing.
He definitely looking like he bit off more than he can chew and all this fame shit is fucking with his head.
But what did he do to have REAL BEEF still waiting for him? Who toes he step on or ties he sever on his way to the top?
How come there is no truth?
I understand you are guarded about comparing slavery to any other experience. But exploitation is exploitation it doesn't just apply to slavery. Just like it is in the underground sex trade just like it was in black 70's cinema.
This is from the #2 definition of exploitation.
2. The action of making use of and benefiting from resources.
By that is there no truth to what he's saying? If not ill leave it alone. From that Kanye's affiliation with those names was a type of exploitation. From both sides if you want to say it like that.
Like I was saying, what he's saying might be outrageous but there is some truth to it in terms if what he's saying trolling or not in dealing with those companies. They used him to sell more shoes and clothes he used them to further his brand or did they not?
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It's a ridiculous comparison no matter how you look at it. Kanye is a millionaire married to a billionaire, he's far from a slave and bound to any rules. People just don't want to work with him because he's likely too hard to work with. He's not being exploited, he has had no problem making more money off his music selling his work to corporations for commercials and for movie trailers. C'mon with this bruh lol...he's exploiting himself.
Lol yeah he is exploiting himself that's where I was going with it next. Just because its profitable doesn't mean it's not exploitation because that's part in parcel the whole point of it and exactly what he's doing to himself which is likely why he feel like that.
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You're wrong on 3accounts.
1) exploitation is not exploitation. Meaning all forms of the device are NOT created equal and should therefore not be used as interchangeable leggos in any and every argument.
2) slavery was not exploitation. To reduce it and categorize it as such is blasphemous.
3) these people were never exploiting this muthafucka!!! he was a paid walking billboard who overstepped his boundary and they reminded him who he was and he didn't like it. I pay a muthafucka to service my lawn and im polite to him in process, if he should ever come to me asking and expecting to come into my home and partake in the decision making process of what goes in there I will kindly remind him that he is my fucking lawn guy and nothing more. That does not mean I am exploiting him. That means he is the fucking lawncare who needed a reminder.
Kanye is a genius, hate him or love him....Kanye should inspire the haters to see genius within themselves..
You kinda hit the nail on the head.
(1) There's being rich.
(2) There's being ultra rich or super rich.
(3) There's being rich AND powerful. Big difference between the two.
Dude is not anywhere near being a slave. Is he being used or exploited? To some degree we probably all have at some point in our lives.
Being a spoiled emotional whining and complaining overly emotional and attention whoring rich brat is not exactly a power move for someone who wants to be a power broker on the global or industry power scene.
Bill Cosby tried to transition into that club. That's a power move. Being a rich rapper or athlete doesn't translate into being an ultra rich power broker. Jay-Z is about the only rapper that has gotten close to that level.
You are just another rich rapper. To regular po folks that's a big deal. To the super rich and powerful you're just another rapper or athlete. You are either an employee or at the most a small business owner.
The Forbes list of rappers or athletes is NOTHING close to being in the Forbes 500. Unless you own Coca Cola or Apple or AT&T then you are either an employee or a small business owner. End of story.
Genius based on what exactly? You're too easily impressed. Kanye is a insecure man and entertainer with a bloated ego and pathetic and equally sad need to be coddled and accepted. Pointing that out doesn't make anyone a hater. But It may mean those too blind to see that blatant truth are idiotic sycophants.
Being outspoken and having a certain devil my care front doesn't make you a genius. If he was a true genius, he'd be actually DOING everything he wants to do like Tyler or I'll even say Jay-Z instead of complaining & crying about it. Genius doesn't hinder themselves and cry for help while turning people away halting their own progress, especially when they aren't getting the additional helping hand they're demanding for.
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I'm here laughing at his genius comment and your comeback about he being too easily impressed. Even a nut like Kanye have apologists.
Heres a guy with unlimited resources, connections and a great deal of influence. Yet he cant find a way to start his own fashion house and he finds it necessary to constantly tell us how white European designers have denied him a seat at their design table as if saying it and bitching in interviews about it over and over and over again will somehow change that truth?? That's not only not genius, its actually fucking stupid.
Your wrong on two counts. Check the definition of what exploited means.
1) All exploitation does not have to be equal for the definition to apply. And you contradict yourself because if all exploitation is not equal then the definition is interchangeable by the experience.
Prison labor is exploited for profit by the prison industrial complex.
2) Let me give you the #1 definition of exploitation from google: The action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work.
You mean to tell me slavery never did that?
And Im not reducing slavery I never said slavery was ONLY exploitation but that exploitation was one aspect of it. If you can't see that then there is nothing else to argue about.
C'mon dawg everyone knows slavery was exploitive. You fuckin up right now bruh. Lol
3) Kanye's is being exploited to a degree based on the definitions I have posted. Being rich don't mean you can't be exploited.
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Sir, context is a necessary component of the English language. Without it, communication would be near impossible and extremely confusing. To apply a parallel to slavery, prison, and kanye being denied a design gig at a fashion corp is idiocy personified. Its also fucking insulting and disrespectful to our ancestors and history. Slavery was not about exploitation. All exploitation is not the same. And Kanye was not fucking exploited by anyone. To continue entertain his bullshit is ignorance at its finest. Look at yourself, you're talking about fucking prison and slavery in attempts to validate fucking Kanyes rants on designing overpriced clothes for gay rich euros. Man get thee entire fuck outta here.
Your sound logic will be missed by the wave of ridicule. Props.
Comprehension, don't forget that one its vital. Because it is surely lacking here.
I posted two definitions of what exploitation is.
I applied no parallel to slavery Kanye's did that. I pointed out the aspect of exploitation that are present by the definitions given in this thread. Now if you can't decipher the difference their is a mental glitch on your part not mine. I never said what he's going through was the same as slavery so drop that argument.
But the fact remains they used him and he used them. And I stated in my first post he should start his own.
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Whats "sound" or "logical" about saying some aspects of Kanye being a paid and willing spokesmen and promoter for major corporations is comparable to slavery? It sounds like the exact opposite to me and most non retarded people.
I'm already knowing.
Disciples of Yeezus Christ.
Hells to the naw.
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Your focusing on "being paid" says it all. Money changes little.
Like I said reason comprehension is important.
They used him to sell a product. They used his fame and notoriety to expand their profit demographic. That is a type of exploitation. Willingly or not. Two definitions define it if you are paid or not.
I never said it was slavery so stop straw manning me with that argument. Kane said that. Deal with what I said and stop being stubborn.
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I attempted to politely show you where context was important in hopes that you would see that both definitions you used was utterly inapplicable here. But since you clearly missed it and responded in an insulting tone I will kindly point out your stupidity in a more bold communication. Exploitation in this context implies that one party is benefiting from the other without fair or equal compensation or reward. Kanye was a willing paid shill and contracted celebrity, and you even go on to say "they used him he used them". Both parties benefited and nothing shows and suggests anything contrary. That in and of itself removes exploitation from the equation. You then went on to mention prison in your abysmal hypotheticals as if that somehow provided credibility to an already ridiculous notion. And stop with the "I never mentioned slavery" bullshit. Your original post which I responded to said it was "comparable in some aspects". It fucking isn't. Period.
Politely!!!! Go back and reread what you been posting up in here. You've been hurling insult this whole conversation. On some passive aggressive bullshit and directly. So stop trying to play like I'm the only one insulting.
Further, I posted two definitions of what exploitation is. Just because he used them as well does not mean it is not exploitation. Do you get that?
It doesn't matter if he got paid. You can call it mutually beneficial if you want to but they still exploited the resources available to them to produce a profit. It's still exploitation.
See you thinking all exploitation is negative and therefore can't be compared to any benefit to anyone. Not so.
And comparable in some aspects doesn't mean it is in totality and I gave an example why in this thread. But you left that part out of my reply when you first replied to my comment and ran with your knee jerk reaction like I was co-signing everything he said was the same as slavery.
So stop with the straw man. I made a distinction and I want you to acknowledge that.
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How come he doesn't seek counsel from his big brother Jay? He seems to be at peace with this.
That's what he needs to do though.
Start his own brand hire his own designers create his own fashion so he can stop feeling like a victim.
Nigga got all the resources and connections-need to stop depending on these other brands.
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what makes it even more funny/ironic (like it has already been mentioned in this thread) is that dude is in constant contact with tyler, who already took the initiative and started his own brand; you would think that kind of thinking would rub off.
And is only 22 years old. Tyler made his own lane as a teen so I don't know what Kanye's problem is.
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It's probably convenient for him to work with an established brand dictate what he wants or doesn't than take the time to build his own.
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This was genius
and made me
He got more people talking than an actual video, and a lot of white people are
That's what he needs to do though.
Start his own brand hire his own designers create his own fashion so he can stop feeling like a victim.
Nigga got all the resources and connections-need to stop depending on these other brands.
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Exactly its like his dumb ass does not understand nor know how to properly leverage his power for his own greater good. Marc Ecko said it best when they brought him up in that Breakfast Club interview.
Expecting dude to super meltdown
I see where and why you're so confused. You're using a lot of terms you don't appear to understand the meaning of. Passive aggressive, strawman, and exploitation. For purposes of this discussion I will only address exploitation in hopes of assisting you in finally understanding why its use is inapplicable and insulting in this context and conversation. And should therefore never be used as a descriptor to Kanyes relationship with corporation and certainly not as justification for use of a slavery parallel or analogy.
As you stated, there are two forms of exploitation. One dealing with use without proper compensation or acknowledgment and the other dealing with exhausting or depleting a thing. Kanye was a paid shill, he volunteered his services for compensation and both parties benefited. No exploitation there. You cannot say they both used one another and it was mutually beneficial and still label it as exploitation. That's a direct contradiction of terms and idiocy personified.
Now for the second meaning of exploitation which you have used about three times now... It refers to ones depletion of a resource or thing. How in THEE fuck does that remotely apply here? Again, you are using words you don't understand and as a result are making a complete fool of yourself to anyone bothering to read the nonsense you're typing. I actually ignored it the first time you said it because I was embarrassed for you but since you insist on referencing that definition then I will show you that it has no place in this context.
No wonder you guys think Kanye is a fucking genius. Because compared to you morons he actually is.
And again, NONE of this shit is like slavery in any aspect. Stop trying to validate bullshit logic with bullshit rhetoric.
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