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Pau Gasol out for start of training camp, hopes to be ready for start of season

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They lost Dwight Howard. They had an underwhelming free agency. All the Lakers were really trying to focus on to start this season was to get healthy. Kobe Bryant has no timetable. Steve Nash is 100 percent but facing minutes restrictions. Pau Gasol had so many issues last year, surely he's... nope.
Pau Gasol said Saturday he will not be available for the start of training camp as he continues to recover from offseason procedures in both knees. However, the Los Angeles Lakers' big man believes he will be back in time for the regular season.
"We're going to get into practices and get a feel of how the knees react and get into training slowly," said Gasol, who was cleared by Dr. Steve Yoon of the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic this week to continue to ramp up his workouts. "I haven't done really a lot of basketball stuff. I haven't done a lot of contact yet. So we'll see how it feels. But the goal is to be ready for opening night, and whichever way it takes to get there, that's what we're going to do."
Gasol, who missed 33 games last season because of various injuries, underwent a procedure known as the FAST technique (Focused Aspiration of Scar Tissue) in May to address the tendinosis in both of his knees.
"It wasn't fun," Gasol said. "It was a painful recovery at first. Then a week after I did the procedure I had to get the stem cells out of my back and shoot them up through my tendons. So that irritated them again. But a few weeks after that I was able to walk again and live a little bit of a normal life. But then I had to give time to the knees to recover and to absorb what I injected, so I had to wait until August to start working again. Then it's been good since then."

This has to be concerning for Lakers fans. It sounds like no big deal on the surface. He's going to miss the start of camp, take it slow, make sure he gets healthy. But everything with Gasol has been nagging injuries that escalate and then break down. It was foot soreness that turned into a torn plantar fascia. It was knee soreness that eventually required surgery.
Maybe he'll be totally fine and have the kind of season a lot of people are projecting for him, but the 33-year-old hasn't been the same since the 2011 playoffs, and playing more center this season is only going to put more wear and tear on him. This definitely bears watching closely as the preseason progresses.
 
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father time creeping up on gasol!!
 
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Derrick Rose after first practice: 'I feel back'




Derrick Rose went through full practice with the Chicago Bulls for the first time since last spring Saturday, and the results were positive. From the Chicago Tribune:

“I got confidence in my (surgically repaired left) knee,” Rose said. “There's no testing anymore. It's going out there and playing hard and attacking.”

By all accounts, that's what the former league most valuable player did in the first session Saturday morning. (Head coach Tom) Thibodeau is devoting the evening sessions on both Saturday and Sunday to film work, shooting and walk-through points of emphasis. Rose said he plans to not miss a practice.

“He attacked all day, in fact from the start,” Thibodeau said. “He made that clear.”

The first practice of training camp isn't an NBA regular-season game. A month of preseason has to be endured before Rose tries to prove he can regain his elite status. And Thibodeau said double-teaming has yet to be introduced, a critical hurdle since Rose pointed to not being able to overcome those as a big reason for his absence last season.

But from joking about enjoying Thibodeau yelling at him to nonchalantly brushing off several hard fouls he absorbed, it's clear Rose is in a different place — mentally and physically — than his practices last season.

“I feel back,” Rose said. “I'm not worried about anything. I'm reacting when I'm out there. I'm just trying to win every scrimmage and just trying to push everybody to be better.”

Rose practiced last year. He noted that on Saturday he was taking hard fouls, getting up and going to the line like it was nothing. So that's good. But in general, this isn't a transformative step it seems to be. He was practicing from February on last year when he wound up missing every game after being cleared by team doctors in February.

The next big step for Rose comes in one week's time, as next Saturday the Bulls play the Pacers in what will be the first minutes of regulated full-contact NBA action Rose has seen in nearly 18 months. Rose tore his ACL in the first round of the playoffs in April of 2012 and has struggled to return since then, citing the severity and traumatic experience the injury detailed.

Rose has remained adamant that he plans on returning not as the same player he was when he went down, but a better one. He's focused on improving his range and explosiveness, and has also talked about putting more into his body to save on the wear and tear of the regular season. Fans and team personnel will likely remain concerned until Rose gets through first a full game, then a full season, but these first steps have to be taken and so far, so good.
 
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Knicks flipping GMs and catering to Melo, but what does Melo want?

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GREENBURGH, N.Y. For the latest window into the alternate universe of the New York Knicks, we come to you from the MSG Training Center in beautiful Westchester County. Let the reading between the lines and examination of all available tealeaves begin.

While normal NBA teams in the rest of the country were discussing such mundane topics as how changes made months ago to the roster, front office or coaching staff would play out this season, the Knicks used media day to introduce their new general manager. Steve Mills, hired just five days before the start of training camp to take over as president and GM of a team that won 54 games last season, had his first opportunity to explain what in the name of Isiah Thomas he was doing here.

Everyone already knows what the job entails, however. There was no need to explain that.

"We are fortunate to have a player like Carmelo Anthony on our roster," Mills said on Monday. "He clearly is one of those superstar players that don't come around very often. And the things that he has seen and done to make this team successful and to represent this city is something that is very important. And so while it's premature in the process, we think it's clear that we have every intention of making him a Knick for a long time to come."

This was from Mills' introductory remarks, before he'd even been asked a question about Anthony, who skillfully engineered the trade that sent him to New York 2 1/2 years ago and can just as skillfully engineer his way out next summer, when he has an early termination option in his contract. This, more than anything else, explained why Mills was addressing reporters on media day instead of the former GM -- the guy who actually worked on the trade that brought Melo to the Knicks -- Glen Grunwald.

All of this begs some serious questions as the Knicks try to take another step forward after last season's breakthrough into the second round of the playoffs, while simultaneously trying to fend off a serious challenge from the Nets for Atlantic Division and New York City supremacy.

1) What does Carmelo Anthony want, exactly?

2) What can Steve Mills possibly do to deliver it to him?

Maybe I'm naïve or just not as perceptive as I used to be, but I came away from this rare visit to the Knicks' suburban nerve center as confused as I could possibly be on both counts.

Since Anthony arrived in New York in December 2011, the Knicks have turned the franchise over to him. They ran off a coach, Mike D'Antoni, who tried to challenge Anthony to expand his game and installed a coach, Mike Woodson, who was content to let Melo be Melo. Mills' first decision after returning to the Garden following a five-year hiatus was to pick up Woodson's option for the 2014-15 season. So Mills, the consummate company man, is off to a great start when it comes to the only thing that matters: making Melo happy.

They've given Anthony input in personnel decisions and surrounded him with former teammates from Denver with whom he is comfortable -- J.R. Smith and Kenyon Martin. From top to bottom, important figures in the organization are represented by the same firm that represents Anthony, Creative Artists Agency. Woodson was strong-armed into firing his longtime agent, Joel Glass -- who has since died -- and hiring CAA in order to secure a contract extension in 2012.

Before he arrived in New York, Anthony was chided for getting out of the first round only once before in his career. With the Knicks, a team that hasn't won a championship for 40 years or been to the Finals in two decades, he's celebrated as a hero for leading the team to the second round. What's more, Anthony apparently feels no particular pressure to do more.

"I don't want to put that pressure on our team, on myself or our guys and say, 'It's championship or bust,'" Anthony said on Monday. "I want us to go out there and just play ball, take it one game at a time, get better and have fun doing that. Because at the end of the day, if we're all having fun, it will be a successful season."

What more could a pampered superstar want? How much more could Mills do to celebrate and insulate Anthony than the Knicks have already done?

"When that time comes, I'll deal with that," Anthony said, vowing not to discuss his impending free agency. "I'm not going to go through the season thinking about my contract. I'm actually under contract now. I'm not going to think about it; I'm not doing that."

When Anthony was in Denver, he was one of the most accessible stars in the NBA -- an insightful interview subject who was always available. When you're a Knick, you're shielded from all but the mandatory media access. Your questions and answers come in a formal setting, with the full force of the Garden's PR machine monitoring every word.

When you're a Knick, you can have as many surgeries as you want and the public will never know about it -- until a reporter finds out and publishes whatever details can be unearthed. Woodson and Amar'e Stoudemire admitted on Monday that the team's $100 million forward had his third knee operation in 12 months back in July. It either took a little longer than usual to prepare the press release or the New York Daily News story revealing details of Stoudemire's procedure greased the wheels a bit.

The team likes to say "once a Knick, always a Knick," but what does that really mean? No pressure, no responsibilities, no accountability, plus the city of New York as your playground. Call me crazy, but this seems like a dream scenario for any star looking for a more protective cocoon over the next two years, when the Knicks will open up cap space and their warm bosom to any star who wants to share this charmed life with Anthony.

So back to the original question: Why did the Knicks need Steve Mills for that? The team is trying to sell Grunwald's ouster and Mills' return as some sort of conscious change of direction. Never mind that a team coming off a 54-win season and its first playoff victory in 13 years seemed to be going in a good direction.

When James Dolan suddenly approached him about the job, Mills said the Garden chairman spoke about "rebuilding the basketball organization into the best basketball organization in the NBA." This would imply that Dolan finally recognized that something was wrong and in need of repair -- that the Knicks aren't the "storied franchise" they are often portrayed to be.

The Knicks are a storied franchise, all right; one rife with horror stories, some of the worst of which occurred toward the end of Mills' run as the Garden president from 2003-08. (Google: "Isiah Thomas Knicks Garden Anucha Browne Sanders.)

Mills is a good man with a shrewd business mind and deep relationships planted firmly across the NBA landscape. But he has never been a GM -- never had final say over basketball decisions. On Monday, he sounded more like the head of one of those consulting firms that big companies bring in to "reorganize" and "streamline operations." He sounded like the guy from Office Space who kept moving Milton's desk.

"I'm going to be assessing every aspect of the team over the next six months or so," Mills said.

What does that even mean? Will director of pro personnel Mark Hughes or director of player personnel Mark Warkentien (Mills called him "Warkenstein" on Monday) soon find themselves muttering away like Milton from behind their desks in the bowels of Penn Station?

Mills did say something potentially important about why Dolan dumped Grunwald and brought him back, a reference to the Nets' approach of unabashed spending under their owner, Russian oligarch Mikhail Prokhorov.

"He did express that he felt that in today's environment that the NBA is in -- sort of the punitive nature of the tax structure and the salary cap -- that he wants to have an organization that is the best that there can be in the NBA," Mills said.

In other words, if I don't want to chase every dollar that Prokhorov spends on luxury tax, what else can I do to make players want to come here?

Here's the problem: If Dolan was really looking for someone to reinvent the Knicks as a basketball organization and make the franchise worthy of its faux flagship status, that person already worked at the Garden and left. His name was Donnie Walsh. Mills would've done good work as the executive director of the National Basketball Players Association and will do what Dolan asks him to do at the Garden, as he always did before. But he's no Donnie Walsh. Nobody is.

In 2008, after an era pockmarked by scandal and ineptitude, Dolan miraculously hired the one man alive who could've done the things that Mills says Dolan wants done now. Walsh took care of the cap management and player acquisitions and put the basketball roster on solid footing. But he tried to do so much more. He tried to reconnect the Knicks to the greats of their past, tried to bring a dose of class back to the executive offices -- a human touch that was missing before Walsh was there and has been missing since the day he left.

"I really don't know as far as how to change that perception," Anthony said. "For me, it's all about having and being involved and being a part of a winning organization, a winning atmosphere. You've got to want to be a part of a winning situation.

"I really don't know the reasoning behind Mr. Dolan, Steve Mills and Glen Grunwald, but as far as for me, I can't worry about that," he said. "Mr. Dolan has his reasons. I'm not a GM and I don't want to be a GM. If there's something that Mr. Dolan wants to bring past me or run past me, I'll be happy to sit down and talk with him. But as far as making any decisions like that, I have no clue. I let the front office be the front office and I do my job on the basketball court."

It's all one big, happy family, you see. For now.
 
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NBA Finals could abandon 2-3-2 format
by Matt Moore | NBA writer
October 1, 2013 1:48 AM ET


Hope you guys like how long the Finals last. The Boston Herald reports that the NBA could move back to a format that would make it longer.

Sources: Competition Committee votes unanimously to return NBA Finals to 2-2-1-1-1 format. Owners' approval to come.

The Finals are currently in a 2-3-2 format, which gives the underdog team a pretty big advantage. Steal one of the first two and you get three home games in a row. That's a tough spot for the team with the better record.

It's also likely to prolong the Finals as the NBA likes to give teams more time off for travel.

So what's your opinion? Do you like the 2-3-2 better or do you welcome this return to the same format the rest of the playoffs are in?
 
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D-Rose sits out practice as part of 'planned rest'


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D-Rose sits out practice as part of 'planned rest'
by Matt Moore | NBA writer
October 1, 2013 1:48 AM ET


Derrick Rose rested Monday but has had no issues.

Derrick Rose sat out practice Monday for the Chicago Bulls, but keep breathing, Bulls fans. It was all part of a plan.

"He did some, the warmup phase," Thibodeau said. "And we went shorter (Monday). We had a teaching segment that of course he participated in and the warmup phase. But the live stuff, we were planning on giving him (Monday) off."

via Chicago Bulls news: Derrick Rose sits out Monday scrimmage as "planned rest." - chicagotribune.com.

Rose practiced five-on-five this weekend, and said "I feel back." He had no reported issues either day, and had no soreness on Monday. It's wise for the Bulls to be patient and careful with Rose, taking him step by step. Rose missed the entire 2012-2013 season recovering from a torn ACL suffered in spring 2012. He was cleared by doctors in February but never felt ready to return.

The Bulls play the Indiana Pacers on Saturday in what will be Rose's first NBA game, even preseason, since 2012.
 
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Knicks: Amar'e surgery?

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Amar'e Stoudemire reportedly had another surgery. Heading into the Knicks season, Amar'e Stoudemire remains the biggest unknown. Mostly unknown is what his role will be and how he'll fit in their frontcourt rotation, but it seems health may once again be the question for the power forward.

Stoudemire had surgery on both his troublesome knees last season and played only 29 games and according to the New York Daily News, he underwent another procedure this summer.

According to a Knicks source, Stoudemire had an unreported surgical procedure in July to repair one of his ailing knees. The Knicks open camp on Tuesday and have yet to announce that Stoudemire has had a third knee operation in 12 months. The surgery was described as "clean up" and isn't considered major.

However, the secrecy surrounding Stoudemire's latest health issue could be an indication that the club is not optimistic that they can rely on the veteran power forward. Stoudemire appeared in just 29 games last season and had debridement surgeries on both of his knees, the right knee in October and the left in March.

The extent of the surgery nor Stoudemire's availability for training camp or the beginning of the season are unknown, but with Knicks media day on Monday, those answers will likely be coming.

Stoudemire was placed on a minutes restriction last season to try and preserve his health. After signing a five-year, $100 million deal with the Knicks, Stoudemire has battled knee issues, which have caused him to miss a pile of games. He's entering the fourth year of the deal, a contract that is widely considered the most untradeable in the league.

Stoudemire, 30, averaged 14.2 points and 5.0 rebounds in 29 appearances last season.
 
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Heat's Wade: 'I'm the second option, point blank'


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Dwyane Wade understands his role.

Dwyane Wade has no problem saying what everyone in the universe and all surrounding galaxies already know.

"Im the second option on this team," he said at the team's media day on Monday, via the Miami Herald. "Point blank. Lets say it."

Combine the two facts that LeBron James is unmatched in the league as an individual player and that Wade has struggled with knee and injury issues, and yeah, it's obvious. It's so clear now, but when the Heat came together there were legitimate concerns and questions about it. Wade has always had an alpha dog game and personality, same with LeBron.

Thing is, having Dwyane Wade are your second option is quite the luxury, and really, just speaks to how tremendous LeBron is.

"But I'm a pretty good second option and one of the only second options that averages 20 points a game," Wade said.

There were struggles as they tried to figure each other out, but as they've gone along, roles have become more clearly defined and within that, an understanding of how to play. Wade's a smart guy, and he figured out for the Heat to win, he needed to take a step back. Sometimes, I think that was an unintentional step back, as in the Eastern Conference finals where he struggled.

But it's fair and correct for him to say he's the second option. He's willing to admit that much. Just don't tell him he's not a top 10 player.
 
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LET THE TANKING BEGIN!!! :dance::dance:
 
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ESPN Power Rankings: Heat back at No. 1

You made it!

You survived another long, withering summer.

With seven teams holding their annual media day on this first Friday of fall, your 165-day wait for the return of ESPN.com's weekly NBA Power Rankings is mercifully over. A fresh batch of rankings is served up here with the Miami Heat taking their rightful place at the top of the ladder. The two-time reigning champions are joined in the top five by Indiana and Brooklyn in advance of what should be the tastiest race we've seen in the Eastern Conference for some time.

The West remains the far deeper conference, as it's basically been since the inception of your devoted committee (of one) starting with the 2002-03 season, but the East is where we see the most intrigue for a change, since there are potentially three teams -- depending on how closely Derrick Rose returns to his MVP best -- that can prevent Miami from even getting to a fourth successive NBA Finals.

The Heat, however, naturally start at No. 1, which is a courtesy we always extend to the champs no matter what they did in the offseason. And by now you surely know that this is where we'll meet up every Monday during the regular season to take the pulse of NBA teams from 1 down to 30, utilizing our trusted formula that computes each slot by factoring in what's happening in the present as well as that team's big-picture outlook for the season ... while always allowing for a dash of subjective whim.

Don't forget, furthermore, that this preseason edition of the rankings, as always, weighs a team's personnel successes (or failures) from the summer as well as injuries when making our calculations. That should help explain why the Pacers, Nets, Doc Rivers' Los Angeles Clippers and Dwight Howard's Houston Rockets have all climbed so high already. And also why the Kobe Bryant-less L.A. Lakers and Rajon Rondo-less Boston Celtics start so low.

The next edition of the rankings is scheduled for Oct. 28, on the eve of opening night, after we use the next month to get a better feel for everyone during exhibition play. Comment below on the rankings, which are compiled with ever-helpful dishing from ESPN Stats & Info and the Elias Sports Bureau.

Editor's note: The "Last Week" category below is from the final Power Rankings of 2012-13 in April, while "Record" reflects how the team finished last season.

1(1)Heat 66-16
The Heat, with zero financial flexibility, have spruced up the roster as much as they feasibly could have by adding Oden and Beasley. It says here they'll cope just fine with LeBron's looming free agency, too. The real issue is going to be getting out of the East, which is going to be way harder.

2(8) Pacers 49-32
I'm super high on Indy and for once it has nothing to do with thoughts of the inimitable shrimp cocktail at St. Elmo's. Sprinkle in Danny Granger and Luis Scola from an upgraded bench with the freshly maxed-out Paul George and playoffs Roy Hibbert and you've got a legit title-contending mix.

3(10) Nets 49-33
Can J-Kidd coach? Can J-Kidd, with zero experience and facing championship expectations, coach a team that will spend nearly $190 million in salary and luxury taxes this season? I know this much: I've seen J-Kidd, at age 38, guard Kobe and Durant in the playoffs. So I know he won't be scared.

4(4) Clippers 56-26
The opportunity is there to do something far more significant than worry about the unwinnable battle for L.A. bragging rights with the Lakers. You'd obviously like the Clips' chances better if KG and Pierce arrived in tow with Doc Rivers, but they've got a team now that can win the whole West.

5(6) Spurs 58-24
I've said it a zillion times: Let somebody else write the Spurs off. Yet like everyone else, I do wonder about how they'll bounce back mentally and how they'll physically handle another nine-month grind. Don't forget these guys have actually endured two successive heartbreaking postseasons.

6(9) Rockets 45-37
Houston won the summer ... or, at worst, shares Best Offseason honors with Brooklyn. They probably need one season together before we really see the Rockets threatening to win the West, but they are also never really done making moves. So stay tuned to see what they get for Asik.

7(2) Thunder 60-22
Leaguewide appreciation for Russell Westbrook after the injury misfortune that knocked him out of the playoffs is at an all-time peak. The team outlook, though, seems gloomier than ever since the Thunder landed in OKC, thanks to the limitations of the cast around Durant, Ibaka and Russ.

8(14) Bulls 45-37
The respect (fear?) Las Vegas has for Derrick Rose always impresses me. The Bulls' visit to Miami on opening night will mark Rose's first game in 549 days, but you won't find Chicago lower than third or fourth in the Sin City sports books when it comes to ranking 2013-14 championship odds.

9(7) Grizzlies 56-26
Of the whopping 13 new coaches in this league, other than Jason Kidd, no one faces more immediate pressure than Dave Joerger. Will be interesting to see how many times Memphis, with the untested Joerger in Lionel Hollins' seat, gets to No. 1 here after topping ESPN's franchise standings.

10(12) Warriors 47-35
Yup: I'm one of those worriers who fear the Dubs surrendered too much of their crucial chemistry when they sacrificed Jarrett Jack and Carl Landry to make room for Andre Iguodala. The easiest way for them to shut me up: Andrew Bogut and David Lee making splashy returns from injury.

11(5) Knicks 54-28
Who thinks they're going to win 54 games again? Not I. The top half of the East is significantly more competitive, which means that the Knicks better get something out of Amar'e Stoudemire and Andrea Bargnani -- as well as Metta World Peace and a full-strength Iman Shumpert -- to keep up.

12(16) Hawks 44-38
For all our giddiness about how good the upper crust of the East can be this season, let's not get carried away. The East's No. 6, No. 7 and No. 8 seeds are up for grabs and the Hawks, just by signing Paul Millsap and Elton Brand on bargain deals to flank Al Horford, should still be a playoff team.

13(19)Timberwolves 31-51
Fearlessly predicting Love, Rubio and Pekovic will log more than the 13 minutes of court time they shared as a trio last season. With Adelman back and Kev Martin/C. Brewer coming in, you'd go ahead and call this a playoff team, too, if you knew the Wolves could finally stay reasonably healthy.

14(17) Mavericks 41-41
One of the toughest teams on the board to forecast. For all the justifiable hand-wringing over what Dallas didn't get done in free agency for a second straight summer, you can't ignore that this team went 41-41 last season with Dirk missing 29 games. And the new roster is undeniably stronger.

15(22) Trail Blazers 33-49
The Blazers insist Lillard, Batum and Aldridge are their core trio. Speculation persists it'll eventually be Lillard, Batum and whatever they get back in an Aldridge trade. What matters most for now is whether they have enough depth around those three to crack the West's top eight. We shall see.

16(3) Nuggets 57-25
When rankings season ended last April, Denver had been so hot for so long in the spring that it finished a lofty No. 3. You can scarcely recognize this team now with no George Karl, no Andre Iguodala, no Masai Ujiri ... and a roster seemingly destined for the bottom half of the rankings this term.

17(18) Wizards 29-53
Camp hasn't even started in the nation's capital and already there's an injury (Emeka Okafor's neck) to fill the air with gloom. Maybe John Wall and Bradley Beal can lift it if they start fast and keep blossoming as a tandem, but you can't halt a run of five straight non-playoff seasons without size.

18(24) Pistons 29-53
The Pistons only add to that East-is-more-intriguing vibe after importing J-Smoove and B-Jennings to team up with Monroe and Drummond. Just not sure locals who remember the glory days will be satisfied with League Pass Darlings status. Or a coach (Mo Cheeks) no one else was pursuing.

19(28) Cavaliers 24-58
The Cavs take a fascinating assemblage of talent into their fourth season post-LeBron. But this is another team that really needs (deserves?) some extended health so we actually get to see how it looks with Kyrie, Waiters, Bennett, T. Thompson, Varejao and Bynum on the same squad.

20(27) Pelicans 27-55
The committee (of one) has indeed reached the point where we instinctively say and write Pelicans. Not there yet, though, when it comes to proclaiming New Orleans playoff material. The pieces are undeniably promising but The Unibrow, Jrue, Tyreke & Co. still have a lot of meshing to do.

21(11) Lakers 45-37
Sorry, folks. Won't pretend I've got a great fix on this group's ceiling -- since we don't know how soon we'll see Kobe Bryant -- but I ain't buyin' that the Lakers have lost their luster because one marquee free agent jilted them. Get your shots in while you can. Cause (Arnold voice) they'll be back.

22(25) Kings 28-54
How many of you, back in April, thought we'd see the Kings' logo on this list? Five months later? One of their most hated rivals just announced to the world that his new home is "Shaqramento." So before we even get into this season's prospects, let's just let Sac-Town revel in the moment.

23(23) Raptors 34-48
This week's announcement that the 2016 All-Star Game is Toronto-bound came as welcome news to your Canada-loving rankings curator. The Raps could make this a lot easier with a return to relevance, but now I'm guaranteed a trip to one of my favorite cities on Earth ... in a mere three-plus years.

24(29) Magic 20-62
It's not often that the committee has to rethink things, but initial cool reviews of the Magic's post-Dwight Howard plan might have been premature. GM Hennigan has amassed coveted youngsters (Vucevic, Tobias Harris, Oladipo, Harkless) and managed to sell his fan base on a patient approach.

25(13) Jazz 43-39
The Jazz have to feel fortunate. They let both of their marquee free agents walk in free agency, have committed to playing kids with Jefferson and Millsap gone and nonetheless appear to have widespread support from their fan base even with lots of losses ahead in the short term. Special.

26(20) Bucks 38-44
Our own Kevin Arnovitz wrote a comprehensive piece this month explaining why Senator Kohl cannot bear to let the Bucks bottom out in the quest for lottery salvation like the Phoenixes, Orlandos and Phillys of this world. But do you see 'em making the playoffs with the squad they've got?

27(13) Celtics 41-40
They have to trade Rajon Rondo. You know it, I know it, everyone in basketball knows it. In the interim, though, hats off to Danny Ainge. By hiring Brad Stevens, he's found a way to keep the Celts riveting for the Boston die-hards while he's in the midst of all these tricky rebuilding transactions.

28(30) Bobcats 21-61
They'll only be the Bobcats for one more season, after which we'll see how long it takes us to get used to saying Hornets again. In the meantime: What's with all the Al Jefferson naysayers? His deal is not a crippler. And he's the frontcourt scorer the Bobcats haven't had since they were the Hornets.

29(26) Suns 25-57
The plan, Phoenix insists, is to play Goran Dragic and Eric Bledsoe together in the backcourt. Which is intriguing enough to get us tuning in -- especially when you throw in Jeff Hornacek as a rookie coach -- even though the same plan calls for stockpiling draft picks and essentially starting over.

30(21) 76ers 34-48
Philly didn't hire Brett Brown as coach until Aug. 14 and was the first team openly associated with tanking for Andrew Wiggins. None of that will earn the Sixers even one extra pingpong ball, but perhaps we can soften the blow of their consensus No. 30 status by calling them trendsetters?
 
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A lot of attention's going to be focused on #thereturn, but I'm also anticipating Djimmy Butler to blowup this season.

The Bulls coach took the latter approach when discussing Jimmy Butler on Saturday.

"Jimmy has changed," Thibodeau said. "He's in a different place, and I think there are some different things we can change to take advantage of what he does well."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...9-bits-bulls-chicago-20130929,0,7242140.story
 
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These niggas said the Nuggets destined for the bottom just because we lost Karl, Iffy, and Masai? Two of those guys dont play on the court and the one that does is a SG that scores like 2 points a game. FOH.
 
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:lol: :lol:

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OCTOBER 5, 2013
Chicago Indiana 7:00 pm
New Orleans Houston 8:00 pm
Golden St. L.A. Lakers 10:00 pm

OCTOBER 6, 2013
Denver L.A. Lakers 9:30 pm

OCTOBER 7, 2013
Toronto Boston 7:30 pm
Atlanta Miami 7:30 pm
Memphis Chicago 8:00 pm
New Orleans Dallas 8:30 pm
L.A. Clippers Portland 10:00 pm
Sacramento Golden St. 10:30 pm
 
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The NBA approves return to 2-2-1-1-1 scheduling for NBA Finals.
Extra day off between Games 6 and 7, but could still be tight between 4-5-6.
 
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Bogut Signs Full Three-Year Extension With Warriors Worth Up To Approximately $42M
Oct 25, 2013 8:12 PM EDT


Andrew Bogut has signed a three-year contract extension with the Golden State Warriors worth up to around $42 million, a league source told RealGM.

Bogut’s new deal doesn’t contain any team or player options and includes incentives covering 10 to 15 percent of the $42-plus million, a source told RealGM. The agreement is set up to pay Bogut as a top six center – without the bonuses being met – but will recognize him as a top four big man should he reach performance- and health-based incentives.

Bogut had one season left on his contract, but he made clear his desires to reach a long-term deal. His agent, David Bauman, worked actively with Warriors management to secure the seven-foot center’s future with the franchsie.

Despite an injury plagued regular season in 2012-13, Bogut elevated his health as the year wore on and became an integral part of the Warriors’ run to the second round of the NBA playoffs. In 12 postseason starts, Bogut averaged 7.2 points, 10.9 rebounds and 1.5 blocks in 27.9 minutes per game.

After spending six seasons with the Bucks as the No. 1 pick in the 2005 draft, Bogut, 28, was dealt to the Warriors in 2012 as part of a trade that sent Monta Ellis to Milwaukee. In nearly two years with the Warriors, he's been increasingly visible in the community and a growing presence in the frontcourt.

Over Bogut’s eight-year career, he has averaged 12.2 points and 9.2 rebounds, including a selection on the All-NBA third team in 2010.
 
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14 mill a year for Bogut bum ass?!?!

Lord I am 10 inches too short :smh:
 
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pacers at number 2? FOH the knicks gonna kill them this year
 
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That's a big ass gamble for a very fragile big man :smh:

Why in the fuck would they do that? :smh:

Tie up all that money and he ain't been healthy in years

Had he been healthy in the playoffs they could have possibly knocked off the Spurs

He was just trotting up and down the court being the bum he is though
 
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Bynum Participates In Fullcourt Five-On-Five
Oct 27, 2013 8:39 PM EDT

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Andrew Bynum participated in part of the Cleveland Cavaliers' practice on Sunday, including some five-on-five.

Mike Brown said that the Cavaliers have not cleared Bynum to take part in a full practice or play in a game, but he has not been ruled out for the season opener.

"There's parts of the practice they don't want him to do,'' Brown said. "He hasn't participated in every aspect of practice all the time.''
 
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Rockets To Waive Marcus Camby
Oct 27, 2013 4:04 PM EDT


The Houston Rockets will release Marcus Camby on Monday.

Camby has been injured with a torn plantar fascia tissue and plans to continue rehabilitating in hopes of returning to the NBA this season.

“Without a doubt, Marcus plans to rehab next few months and come back and play this season for the Rockets or somebody,” agent Rick Kaplan said.

Camby, 39, has a fully-guaranteed one-year contract worth $1.4 million ($884,000 will count against the Rockets salary cap.)

The Rockets will have to make one more move cut to the roster to get down to 15 by Monday’s 4 p.m. deadline. Guard Reggie Williams was the only healthy player that did not play Friday in Memphis.
 
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Granger Out Three Weeks With Strained Left Calf
Oct 28, 2013 12:03 PM EDT


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Danny Granger will miss approximately three weeks as he rehabilitates a strained left calf injury sustained in the preseason.

The length of time is a precautionary measure as the Indiana Pacers want to ensure Granger is physically ready to play in light of missing all but five games last season due to his knee injury.

The rehabilitation time is strictly related to the calf injury.
 
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Granger Out Three Weeks With Strained Left Calf
Oct 28, 2013 12:03 PM EDT


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Danny Granger will miss approximately three weeks as he rehabilitates a strained left calf injury sustained in the preseason.

The length of time is a precautionary measure as the Indiana Pacers want to ensure Granger is physically ready to play in light of missing all but five games last season due to his knee injury.

The rehabilitation time is strictly related to the calf injury.

Granger was pretty healthy his first seven years but now that Paul George has taken his spot he can't stay healthy.

We know their gonna trade Granger because he's in the last year of his deal but the only question is who they'll go after. Rudy Gay for more scoring, Pau Gasol for a legit sized pf and center when they need to go small or Eric Gordon for perimeter help.
 
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Andrew Bynum thinks of retirement
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ESPN.com | November 8, 2013
PHILADELPHIA -- Despite making an encouraging return from devastating knee injuries, Andrew Bynum is still pondering whether to continue to play and battle ongoing knee pain or retire.

On Friday, Bynum hopes to do something he wasn't able to do all of last season -- play in Philadelphia. He missed the 2012-13 season with knee issues after the 76ers executed a major trade for him and planned to make him a franchise cornerstone.

But even as he's defied the odds by returning to play with the Cleveland Cavaliers, Bynum is still in discomfort following surgeries to both knees earlier this year.

"Retirement was a thought, it was a serious thought. It still is," Bynum, 26, said after Cavs' practice at Temple University. "It's tough to enjoy the game because of how limited I am physically. I'm working through that. Every now and again I do [think about retirement]. & It's still career-threatening. I'm a shell of myself on the court right now. I'm just struggling mentally."

Bynum is expecting to get a rough reception Friday night. There was a perception that he didn't make his rehab a priority while he was with the 76ers, especially after he admitted he reinjured his knee while bowling during the season. Several times he was on the verge of returning to play only to have a setback.

"If I could've played I would have," Bynum said. "I don't really care [how the fans will treat him]. It is what it is. I was hurt and I'm still hurt but I'm trying. & Nothing went bad, nothing went wrong. I think people just need to accept the facts that my knees are the way they are."

When Bynum played on opening night for the Cavs, it was the first time in more than 560 days he'd played in an NBA game. He's played in four games so far, averaging 5.5 points and 3.5 rebounds in 13 minutes. In the Cavs' win over the Minnesota Timberwolves on Monday, Bynum had 10 points and three blocked shots, showing his progress.

The team is being careful with him, not playing him in back-to-back games and going easy in practice. But he still says he has sharp pains at times in his knees and battles soreness after games. He's lost significant weight and has been contributing but isn't satisfied with his situation.

"I just want to be able to play without pain and find the joy again," Bynum said. "Right now I'm battling pain and it's annoying. I'm not able to do the things I'm used to doing, and it's frustrating."
 
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NBA’s Christmas Day sleeved jersey designs by Adidas reportedly leak online




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ESPN.com’s UniWatch reports that the five images above, which show Adidas sleeved jersey designs for the Heat, Lakers, Thunder, Nets and Bulls, will be worn by the teams on Christmas. The site notes that SNYNets.com found the images on an eBay listing and that an Adidas catalog recently included the same images.

The images show jerseys that feature a solid color design with a large team logo on the chest and the player’s number moved to the left sleeve. Lettering only appears on the front of the jersey if it’s part of the logo design.

These new designs combine two elements used recently by Adidas: the sleeved look that debuted last season and the monochromatic color scheme (shown below) that was unveiled for the league’s 2012 Christmas games. The combination of the solid color, the enhanced logo and the sleeves give these jerseys a decided “shooting shirt” feel, even if the sleeves aren’t elbow-length.

I would consider these a clear upgrade over last year’s models, which were intentionally riskier but not all that aesthetically-pleasing. This year’s models are safer without being boring, and they should enjoy a wider appeal because they aren’t so ostentatious. They should also benefit from the fact that the viewing public has had nearly a year to adjust to the concept of a sleeved jersey by now. Even the staunch traditionalists who reject the idea outright can’t say they feel blindsided by this year’s designs. Hard-liners might actually feel a sense of relief that the jerseys aren’t wackier.

The NBA’s annual Christmas Day quintuple-header will go down as follows: Bulls at Nets (12 p.m. ET), Thunder at Knicks (2:30 p.m. ET), Heat at Lakers (5 p.m. ET), Rockets at Spurs (8 p.m. ET), and Clippers at Warriors (10:30 p.m. ET).

Last year, the NBA unveiled its Christmas Day jerseys in mid-November, so official confirmation of the jersey designs — as well as the designs for the Clippers, Knicks, Rockets, Spurs, and Warriors — should be available in the not-too-distant future.

Adidas unveiled its first sleeved jersey, a yellow Warriors look, in February. A white sleeved Warriors jersey, an orange sleeved Suns jersey, and a light blue sleeved Clippers jersey followed.
 
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