U.S. Stock Market

no offense but did your little brother write this? WTF :hmm:


Ok, instead of dismissing it out of hand, tell me where you think it is wrong. All of the ideas that stanuch free marketers claim liberals are in error, conservative idealogs are using to prop up Wall Street. I have always said there is no logic in capitalism, we just except it by faith, just like religon.
 
Ok, instead of dismissing it out of hand, tell me where you think it is wrong. All of the ideas that stanuch free marketers claim liberals are in error, conservative idealogs are using to prop up Wall Street. I have always said there is no logic in capitalism, we just except it by faith, just like religon.

You are correct, the Constitution was written to protect the interest of RICH White Landowners and even though some progress has been made the status quo still prevails. Why the current consolidation of money and power is taking place is beyond me. I cannot see why anyone would collapse any economy let alone a global one but it is happening. Everyday trillions of dollars are disappearing and we can't get a str8 answer as to why. As long as the Clintons, Bushs, Gates and other power brokers call the shots we may never get one, people are going to have to fight back or our way of life will be gone for good.
 
The way I see it, now is the time for everybody that has a gamblers instinct to get into this market. Maybe just a toe or 2 at first, take some losses at first with the idea of making big gains in 4-5 years.

My reasoning is that a paradigm shift is occurring. Old industries and business models are dying out to be replaced with ???????....What these new industries and business models will be is the risk thats on the table. Put your money up early and get in when the foundation is being built and make big returns. Down side is if you pick wrong you'll find yourself with your pockets turned out with just maybe a penny stuck in the lint.

The casino is still open for business. Who's got the backbone to step inside.
 
The way I see it, now is the time for everybody that has a gamblers instinct to get into this market. Maybe just a toe or 2 at first, take some losses at first with the idea of making big gains in 4-5 years.

My reasoning is that a paradigm shift is occurring. Old industries and business models are dying out to be replaced with ???????....What these new industries and business models will be is the risk thats on the table. Put your money up early and get in when the foundation is being built and make big returns. Down side is if you pick wrong you'll find yourself with your pockets turned out with just maybe a penny stuck in the lint.

The casino is still open for business. Who's got the backbone to step inside.

That is some reckless advice.

Every economic indicator is showing a structural shift DOWNWARD in this country's wealth.

The stock market has been on a downward trend for at least 10 years.

Yet suddenly, you think it's supposed to change course in the next 4-5 years?

Even if it doubled (or tripled or 10x) at this point, then what? Leave it in there so you'll lose it all again?
Take it out and buy farmland?
Use it to learn some practical skills?

Why give it to Wall Street when you can do all that now!

Take that money and invest in yourself and your community. That is what Wall Street has destroyed in this country. People used to give money to people they know, people they trust, people who will help in a time of need. Now, people would rather trust their money with a bunch of crooks on Wall Street who they've never seen before, and wouldn't care if you lived or died, just so long as they have your money.

Why in the world would anyone put their money into the stock market when these idiots have shown they don't know what the hell they're doing???!!?!!?!?

If I tried to get people to give me money for investment after losing as much as Wall Street, they'd laugh in my face.

Yet, somehow people still want to trust Wall Street with their money.

Are people that gullible? I guess so.
 
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When gas was at 4.00 politicians were telling us its the market. Now that banks and big business are in trouble we have to save them. 70% of the public is against bailouts, something like 70% is against the Iraq war but the people in power are doing business as usual. We're seeing a move towards Totalitarianism. Whether it Bloomberg re-writing state laws so he can serve a 3rd term. Bill Clinton running a stealth govt, no bid contracts in Iraq or just the fact Tyra Banks has 4 tv shows. There is a consolidation of wealth and power going on, little people are being squeezed because we are divided. Now the public is facing the same kind of invisible, universal force Blacks faced with the fall of segregation. Corporate greed, globalism, are nameless, faceless enemies we can't indentify much less confront. But we have to show some resistance or the country will crumble like a inner-city ghetto. Turning off the tv is the first step, boycotts, only shop with people you know , then use the ballot. People have got to stand for something.
 
That is some reckless advice.

Every economic indicator is showing a structural shift DOWNWARD in this country's wealth.

The stock market has been on a downward trend for at least 10 years.

Yet suddenly, you think it's supposed to change course in the next 4-5 years?

Even if it doubled (or tripled or 10x) at this point, then what? Leave it in there so you'll lose it all again?
Take it out and buy farmland?
Use it to learn some practical skills?

Why give it to Wall Street when you can do all that now!

Take that money and invest in yourself and your community. That is what Wall Street has destroyed in this country. People used to give money to people they know, people they trust, people who will help in a time of need. Now, people would rather trust their money with a bunch of crooks on Wall Street who they've never seen before, and wouldn't care if you lived or died, just so long as they have your money.

Why in the world would anyone put their money into the stock market when these idiots have shown they don't know what the hell they're doing???!!?!!?!?

If I tried to get people to give me money for investment after losing as much as Wall Street, they'd laugh in my face.

Yet, somehow people still want to trust Wall Street with their money.

Are people that gullible? I guess so.

Brother it's like this. You do what you want with your money and I'll do the same with mine. I've done pretty well in the equity markets mainly by understanding the risks and acting accordingly.Most of the people who got burned didn't and stayed in too long.The warning signs for what is happening now have been around for years. Your complaint about Wall Street has some measure of validity but on the flip side how can you complain about a shark acting like a shark. If your gonna step into the game be aware that they exist and act accordingly.

Like I said ,people with a gamblers spirit are the ones I was speaking of. People who understand the risks but also know you don't make money standing on the sidelines complaining that somebody did them wrong when the fact is they didn't keep their mind on their money and their money on their mind.

I'm looking to the future and preparing now. The markets and this economy will come back. It will probably bounced up and down for a year, level out for another 2 or 3 while things shake out. The risks at this point would be an inflationary spiral due to all the money being dumped into the economy now. How that is handled will be key to what happens next, we'll see.

The equity markets aren't going anywhere mainly because there's nothing to replace it with and wherever a person decides to invest there will be sharks swimming around looking for guppy's with good intentions that they can feed on.

Good luck with your future plans hope everything works out for you.

Excuse me a school of little fish just swam by....gotta go

BigUnc
 
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My point is gambler's never know when to quit.

If the market goes up for 3 years, you think... why not 4 or 5 or 6.

If the market goes down, you think... let me double down, let me cover my losses, let me hedge my bets, let me dollar-cost average, or whatever to convince yourself to throw more money into the hole.

The end result, no matter how you look at it (up/down/sideways), you lose.

Wall Street is a casino. It operates on the greater fool theory. Stocks go up when people BELIEVE a greater fool is out there to buy from them. Well, Wall Street has just about destroyed any credibility to make greater fools.

But, who knows, maybe there are still plenty of fools out there willing to pay for overpriced equity/debt assets?

IMHO, the debt/equity markets are no way to make money or get rich UNLESS you run it (i.e. Wall Street insider, Washington lobbyist, etc.).

I am looking for real ways to build wealth, not the fantasy money in Manhattan.

The equity markets aren't going anywhere mainly because there's nothing to replace it with and wherever a person decides to invest there will be sharks swimming around looking for guppy's with good intentions that they can feed on.

Good luck with your future plans hope everything works out for you.

Excuse me a school of little fish just swam by....gotta go

BigUnc

The equity market may not be going anywhere as you said. So, why put money into something that is dead in the water.

But, as you say, invest your money the way you want.
 
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My point is gambler's never know when to quit.

If the market goes up for 3 years, you think... why not 4 or 5 or 6.

If the market goes down, you think... let me double down, let me cover my losses, let me hedge my bets, let me dollar-cost average, or whatever to convince yourself to throw more money into the hole.

The end result, no matter how you look at it (up/down/sideways), you lose.

Wall Street is a casino. It operates on the greater fool theory. Stocks go up when people BELIEVE a greater fool is out there to buy from them. Well, Wall Street has just about destroyed any credibility to make greater fools.

The debt/equity markets are no way to make money or get rich UNLESS you run it (i.e. Wall Street insider, Washington lobbyist, etc.).

I am looking for real ways to build wealth, not the fantasy money in Manhattan.



The equity market may not be going anywhere as you said. So, why put money into something that is dead in the water.

But, as you say, invest your money the way you want.

Of course it's a casino. I've been saying that for years and as in any casino rule number one is, as song by Kenny Rogers, you've got to know when to fold em, know when to hold em, KNOW WHEN TO WALK AWAY.... WHEN THE FEELINGS GONE.

It's all up to the individual to make those choices.

In the equity markets I translate that into buy low, sell high. If I think a stock is near it's high I sell, cash out and bank my money. That way I've locked in my profits and the stock can rise or fall as it pleases. If I bet wrong I have triggers set so my broker knows at what price to sell BEFORE it reaches the price that I paid for it, thereby locking in a small profit or keeping my losses to a minimum.

The real gamble comes into play when a couple nerdy white boys come around begging for investors because they came up with a great idea in their garage.Do you put out big money on this thing they call a Macintosh PC??...huh???...do you trust them?? Fly high or crash and burn?? What is your risk tolerance? If it's low then maybe the bond markets or value funds is the place for you. For me I want to know if anybody has seen a couple dudes in there garage tinkering with some weird stuff. I would like to talk to them about it.

BigUnc
 
Of course it's a casino. I've been saying that for years and as in any casino rule number one is, as song by Kenny Rogers, you've got to know when to fold em, know when to hold em, KNOW WHEN TO WALK AWAY.... WHEN THE FEELINGS GONE.

It's all up to the individual to make those choices.

In the equity markets I translate that into buy low, sell high. If I think a stock is near it's high I sell, cash out and bank my money. That way I've locked in my profits and the stock can rise or fall as it pleases. If I bet wrong I have triggers set so my broker knows at what price to sell BEFORE it reaches the price that I paid for it, thereby locking in a small profit or keeping my losses to a minimum.

The real gamble comes into play when a couple nerdy white boys come around begging for investors because they came up with a great idea in their garage.Do you put out big money on this thing they call a Macintosh PC??...huh???...do you trust them?? Fly high or crash and burn?? What is your risk tolerance? If it's low then maybe the bond markets or value funds is the place for you. For me I want to know if anybody has seen a couple dudes in there garage tinkering with some weird stuff. I would like to talk to them about it.

BigUnc

I think we understand each other. :cool:
 
Ok, instead of dismissing it out of hand, tell me where you think it is wrong. All of the ideas that stanuch free marketers claim liberals are in error, conservative idealogs are using to prop up Wall Street. I have always said there is no logic in capitalism, we just except it by faith, just like religon.

I musta been having a bad day, my badz...I don't agree with what you said but I agree with the idea:cool:
 
It May Not Look That Way, but Diversification Still Works

It May Not Look That Way, but Diversification Still Works
By PAUL J. LIM
Published: December 5, 2008

THIS market meltdown is testing not only investors’ patience and risk tolerance, but also their faith in one of the most widely accepted principles of investing: diversification.

When you own different types of assets in a portfolio, some holdings should be rising while others are falling. That’s the theory, anyway. But it hasn’t been working out that way for many investors.

With the exception of Treasury securities, virtually all asset classes have fallen in unison of late. These include even supposedly safe investments like high-quality corporate bonds; the average intermediate-term, investment-grade fixed-income fund has lost more than 6 percent of its value since the stock market peaked on Oct. 9, 2007.

Many asset classes have performed even worse, falling by various double-digit percentages since the market peak. This group includes domestic blue-chip stocks, small-company shares, foreign equities, commodities, real estate investment trusts, high-yield bonds and emerging-market debt.

Over the short term, diversification does not promise that your portfolio won’t decline. Rather, the strategy is intended to ensure that at least some of your investments hold their value at any given time.

By this token, diversification hasn’t entirely failed in the current downturn. But investors needed to diversify some of their money into two specific assets — Treasury securities and cash — to call this strategy a success.

Simply diversifying your types of stocks didn’t help. For example, between the October 2007 peak and the start of December this year, both the Standard & Poor’s 500 index of domestic stocks and the Morgan Stanley Capital International EAFE index of foreign shares fell more than 40 percent.

Nor did it help to own commodities, which some investors thought would soar regardless of the health of the United States economy. But as it became clear that the entire global economy was slowing — and as crude oil prices fell to less than $50 a barrel from around $140 — most of the major commodity indexes plummeted.

Clearly, the most important step in diversifying your portfolio is to hold some of your money in stocks and some in bonds, said James A. Shambo, a financial planner in Colorado Springs. But only if you had put a large portion of your bond holdings into Treasury securities would your overall portfolio not have fallen so severely.

Say you invested $100,000 in the S.& P. 500 on Oct. 9, 2007, and held it there until the start of this month. Thanks to the bear market, you would be left with just $58,750. Had you diversified properly — say, by putting 40 percent of your money in the S.& P. 500; 25 percent in foreign stocks in the MSCI EAFE index; 25 percent in the broad bond market as represented by the Barclays Capital U.S. Aggregate Bond index; and 10 percent in cash instruments like Treasury bills, you would still be down, but your portfolio would be worth more than $72,825.

As for your stocks, the only strategy that seemed to work — or at least incur smaller losses — was dollar-cost averaging, a way of diversifying by making purchases in regular increments.

For example, if you invested $150,000 in a lump sum in the S.& P. 500 at the start of October 2007, you would have had $90,400 left by the start of this month. But had you invested $10,000 a month, every month, starting last October, you would have had roughly $106,000 left in your account.

Time is a crucial ingredient in all diversification strategies. “Pooh-poohing diversification will always work if you pick a short-enough time period to look at,” said Sam Stovall, chief investment strategist at S.& P.

This is particularly true if you examine only periods of crisis. In a panic, there tends to be a “flight to quality.” This means frightened investors are likely to sell their risky assets to move into Treasury securities, which has happened in the current crisis. Of course, all the assets investors sell during panics will move in lock step.

That would explain why, in most bear markets, “there is simply no place to hide in the stock market,” Mr. Stovall said. He studied bear markets going back to 1946 and found that every sector in the S.&. P. 500 lost ground by double-digit percentages during the average downturn.

Only over time does diversification really show its worth. For example, over the 10 years through November, the S.& P. 500 lost almost 1 percent a year, on average. But a diversified portfolio of 40 percent S.& P. 500 stocks, 25 percent foreign shares in the MSCI EAFE index, 25 percent in fixed-income securities found in the Barclays Capital U.S. Aggregate Bond Index, and 10 percent in Treasury bills gained nearly 2 percent annually, on average, according to T. Rowe Price.

At least that was a gain. And the diversified portfolio was also 36 percent less volatile than the all-stock portfolio.

Investors need to appreciate the limits of diversification, said Ned Notzon, chairman of the asset allocation committee of T. Rowe Price.

“If someone is really concerned about the losses they suffered in the past year — if on Dec. 31, 2007, they thought they needed to preserve all their money as of Dec. 31, 2008 — then they really shouldn’t have been diversified to begin with,” Mr. Notzon said. Instead, those short-term investors should have kept their money in cash, or a combination of cash and short-term debt.

Mr. Shambo adds that investors who are growing skeptical of diversification need to ask themselves an important question: What other choices do they have?

“If the alternative is to concentrate your bets, where would you have concentrated during this sell-off?” he asked.

The answer, of course, is Treasuries. But even if you were smart enough to put all your money in them before the stock market peaked in October 2007, you would now have a portfolio that is concentrated in the sole asset class that is trading at frothy prices in this bear market.

OF course, if your intention is simply to hold Treasuries to maturity, you’ll have no problem. But if you want to sell those bonds — or a Treasury bond fund — once the economy starts to recover, you may be disappointed by the price you are offered.

That is why it still makes sense for long-term investors to diversify — to ensure that not all of their money is tied up in the priciest asset at any given moment.

Paul J. Lim is a senior editor at Money magazine. E-mail: fund@nytimes.com.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/07/business/yourmoney/07fund.html?_r=1&ref=business&pagewanted=print
 
The Index Funds Win Again

The Index Funds Win Again
By MARK HULBERT
Published: February 21, 2009

THERE’S yet more evidence that it makes sense to invest in simple, plain-vanilla index funds, whose low fees often lead to better net returns than hedge funds and actively managed mutual funds with more impressive performance numbers.

Basic stock market index funds generally aspire to nothing more than matching the returns of a market benchmark. So in a miserable year for stocks, index funds may not look very appealing. But it turns out that, after fees and taxes, it is the extremely rare actively managed fund or hedge fund that does better than a simple index fund.

That, at least, is the finding of a new study by Mark Kritzman, president and chief executive of Windham Capital Management of Boston. He presented his results in the Feb. 1 issue of Economics & Portfolio Strategy, a newsletter for institutional investors published by Peter L. Bernstein Inc.

Mr. Kritzman, who also teaches a graduate course in financial engineering at M.I.T.’s Sloan School of Management, set up his study to accurately measure the long-term impact of all the expenses involved in investing in a mutual fund or hedge fund. Those include transaction costs, taxes and management and performance fees.

He is not the first to try such a measurement. But, he said in an e-mail message, it is surprisingly hard to measure these costs accurately. The bite taken out by taxes, for example, depends on the specific combination of positive years and losing ones, as well as the order in which they occur. That combination and order also affect the performance fees charged by hedge funds.

Mr. Kritzman devised an elaborate method to take such contingencies into account. Then he calculated the average return over a hypothetical 20-year period, net of all expenses, of three hypothetical investments: a stock index fund with an annualized return of 10 percent, an actively managed mutual fund with an annualized return of 13.5 percent and a hedge fund with an annualized return of 19 percent. The volatility of the three funds’ returns — along with their turnover rates, transaction fees and management and performance fees — was based on what he determined to be industry averages.

Mr. Kritzman found that, net of all expenses, including federal and state taxes for a New York State resident in the highest tax brackets, the winner was the index fund.

Specifically, he assumed that long-term capital gains were subject to a 15 percent federal tax and a 6.85 percent state tax; short-term capital gains and dividends were taxed at a combined federal and state rate of nearly 42 percent. The index fund’s average after-expense return was 8.5 percent a year, versus 8 percent for the actively managed fund and 7.7 percent for the hedge fund.

Expenses were the culprit. For both the actively managed fund and the hedge fund, those expenses more than ate up the large amounts — 3.5 and 9 percentage points a year, respectively — by which they beat the index fund before expenses.

IF such outperformance isn’t enough to overcome the drag of expenses, what would do the trick? Mr. Kritzman calculates that just to break even with the index fund, net of all expenses, the actively managed fund would have to outperform it by an average of 4.3 percentage points a year on a pre-expense basis. For the hedge fund, that margin would have to be 10 points a year.

The chances of finding such funds are next to zero, said Russell Wermers, a finance professor at the University of Maryland. Consider the 452 domestic equity mutual funds in the Morningstar database that existed for the 20 years through January of this year. Morningstar reports that just 13 of those funds beat the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index by at least four percentage points a year, on average, over that period. That’s less than 3 out of every 100 funds.

But even that sobering statistic paints too rosy a picture, the professor said. That’s because it’s one thing to learn, after the fact, that a fund has done that well, and quite another to identify it in advance. Indeed, he said, he has found from his research that only a minority of funds that beat the market in a given year can outperform it the next year as well.

Professor Wermers said he believed that it was “exceedingly probable that any fund that has beaten the market by an average of more than one percentage point per year over the last decade achieved that return almost entirely due to luck alone.”

“By definition, therefore, such a fund could not have been identified in advance,” he added.

The investment implication is clear, according to Mr. Kritzman. “It is very hard, if not impossible,” he wrote in his study, “to justify active management for most individual, taxable investors, if their goal is to grow wealth.” And he said that those who still insist on an actively managed fund are almost certainly “deluding themselves.”

What if you’re investing in a tax-sheltered account, like a 401(k) or an I.R.A.? In that case, Mr. Kritzman conceded, the odds are relatively more favorable for active management, because, in his simulations, taxes accounted for about two-thirds of the expenses of the actively managed mutual fund and nearly half of the hedge fund’s. But he emphasized the word “relatively.”

“Even in a tax-sheltered account,” he said, “the odds of beating the index fund are still quite poor.”

Mark Hulbert is editor of The Hulbert Financial Digest, a service of MarketWatch. E-mail: strategy@nytimes.com.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/22/your-money/stocks-and-bonds/22stra.html?_r=1&ref=business
 
This might be first genuine bear market in three decades

This might be first genuine bear market in three decades
By Mark Hulbert, MarketWatch
Last update: 12:01 a.m. EST Feb. 24, 2009

ANNANDALE, Va. (MarketWatch) -- Lots of attention was paid, going into Monday's trading session, to the Standard & Poor's 500 Index.

Would it join the Dow Jones Industrial Average in breaking to new bear-market lows, lower than the Nov. 20 level that up until recently had marked the low point of the bear market that began in October 2007?

As fate would have it, of course, it was not even close. By the close of trading, the S&P 500 was more than nine points below its Nov. 20 closing low.

That's depressing enough news, of course.

But by focusing on whether the Nov. 20 lows would be broken, investors may have overlooked something else that happened Monday that is even more momentous from a longer-term point of view: The Dow broke below its closing low of the 2000-02 bear market; the S&P 500 had achieved that dubious feat last Friday.

Technicians will no doubt endlessly debate the meaning of this in coming days. But one intriguing consequence of the 2002 lows' being broken is that the stock market's decline between 2000 and 2002 begins to appear less and less as a bear market and more as a mere correction within a great bull market that began in the early 1980s.

According to this retelling, that bull market lasted 25 years and did not finally end until October 2007.

What difference does it make how we retell the story of what has passed? In one sense, of course, it makes no difference. After all, regardless of what you call it, the stock market fell some 40% between 2000 and 2002.

But, in another sense, this retelling of history carries great significance, since it reveals a lot about the bear market we're suffering through right now. According to some technical analysts, prominently including Richard Russell, editor of Dow Theory Letters, a major bear market can be expected to obliterate between one-half and two-thirds of the previous advance.

I'll do the math for you: We've already erased around half of the bull market that began in 1982. A two-thirds retrenchment would take the Dow down to around the 5,200 mark.

By the way, this sobering retelling of the stock market's history over the last three decades isn't something that technicians are cooking up only now, after the stock market has already declined by 50%.

Russell outlined just such a possibility nearly a year ago, in April 2008, when the Dow was trading at relatively lofty levels around 12,600. In entertaining the notion that the 2000-02 bear market was actually a mere correction within an ongoing bull market, Russell wrote: "Somewhere ahead we're finally going to enter a true primary bear market, maybe one of the greatest and most tragic in history. That future bear market will end with something we haven't seen since the 1980 to 1982 period, and I'm talking about great values in stocks. And when I say great values I'm talking about blue-chip stocks selling in single-digit price/earning ratios while at the same time providing dividend yields of 6-7-8%, the kind of yields we last saw at the lows of the early 1980s."

The bottom line? On this retelling, we should have expected the bear market that follows an unprecedented bull market would be just as momentous.

In other words, we should not have been surprised.

Mark Hulbert is the founder of Hulbert Financial Digest in Annandale, Va. He has been tracking the advice of more than 160 financial newsletters since 1980.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...9A-A297-4053-8113-A7A30FAC0B1A}&dist=morenews
 
Recess is about to begin

Jul 29, 2009, 12:01 a.m. EST
Recess is about to begin
Commentary: Stocks tend to perform better when Congress is not in session

By Mark Hulbert, MarketWatch

ANNANDALE, Va. (MarketWatch) -- Pencils ready? Here is today's investment pop quiz:

How does the stock market perform when Congress is not in session? Does it do better than average, worse, or does it make no difference at all?

The right answer is timely, of course, since Congress is scheduled to go on recess this Friday. And it isn't scheduled to reconvene until after Labor Day.

Believe it or not, the stock market performs much better than average when Congress is not in session.

That at least is the finding of an academic study several years ago by professors Michael Ferguson of the University of Cincinnati and Hugh Douglas Witte of the University of Missouri at Columbia. Specifically, they found that "about 90% of the capital gains over the life of the Dow Jones Industrial Average have come on days when Congress is out of session." (Click here to read their study.)

When I first read about the professors' finding of a so-called "Congressional Effect" in the stock market, I assumed that it was nothing more than a different kind of seasonal pattern in disguise. After all, Congress is not in session during holidays, and it has been well known for some time that the stock market performs at an above-average rate immediately prior to those holidays.

But it turns out that the professors checked for this possibility. And they found that these other seasonal patterns account for only some, but not all, of this Congressional Effect. So they believe that there also is a genuine relationship between the stock market and whether Congress is in session.

This actually makes a certain amount of sense, they also argue: Companies and investors face "a more uncertain tax and regulatory environment" when Congress is in session. As confirmation of this finding, the professors point out that the stock market has tended to exhibit significantly greater volatility when Congress is meeting. And volatility is a good proxy for uncertainty.

To be sure, the Congressional Effect hasn't always prevailed: Stocks have not always performed well when Congress is on recess, just as they have not always produced poor returns when Congress is meeting. In trying to assess why it hasn't always worked, the professors found that the pattern has tended to be strongest when Congress has a low approval rating in public opinion polls.

How low must Congress' approval rating be in order for the Congressional Effect to be particularly worth betting on? The professors found it to be 39%. When it is below that level, then the Congressional Effect is more pronounced than when it is above that level.

What percentage of citizens currently disapprove of the job Congress is doing? PollingReport.com lists three polls that were conducted this past month that attempted to assess the public's opinion of the job Congress is doing, and the approval percentages in those polls ranged from 22% and 32%.

No wonder the stock market is struggling.

Maybe Will Roger got it right. The professors quote from a famous speech of his in 1930: "This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as we do when a baby gets hold of the hammer. It's just a question of how much damage he can do with it before we take it away from him."

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/good-news-for-stocks-congress-in-recess-2009-07-29
 
A Tale of Four Stock-Market Decades

A Tale of Four Stock-Market Decades
By John Tamny
June 15, 2010

Erratic monetary changes would turn the veil into a fluttering and distracting screen-a bullfighter's cape that induced entrepreneurs and economists alike to waste their energies charging off after spurious signals of opportunity and value, profit and loss. - George Gilder, Wealth and Poverty, p. 217.

Stock-market behavior is frequently reduced by commentators to a function of sentiment. If markets are going up, confidence is generally said to be strong or bordering on irrational, while downturns are often explained away as a loss of confidence, or overdone pessimism.

But the direction of equity prices - particularly in hindsight - can often be explained with more depth than the image of expanding "bubbles" randomly "popping." During peaceful periods of stable money, easy taxes, light regulation and free trade, stocks tend to do well, while changes in these controlling variables can lead to corrections.

Markets, if free, represent the combination of exuberance, indifference and negativity such that prices over time are fairly representative of the future outlook for the market in question. In any market, for every bullish buyer there is a bearish seller, or vice versa.

Perhaps too little discussed is the role of the dollar when it comes to both the direction of stocks and the kinds of assets that perform well. Economists tend to ignore the changing value of the dollar in their analyses, but as the 1920s, 1970s, 1990s and the decade just completed show, the direction of the dollar and its instability loom large when it comes to explaining market outcomes.

From this point of view the 1920s stock market resembled the '90s market, while the stock market of the decade just passed mirrors that of the 1970s in ways that are fairly impressive. The call - at least based on the evidence presented here - is once again for a stable dollar defined in terms of gold.

Stock market returns in the 1920s and 1990s. As 1920s dawned the Dow Jones Industrial Average stood at 72 which, according to Lords of Finance author Liaquat Ahmed, was the midpoint "of its range for the last twenty years." But in the decade that ensued, the Dow rallied all the way to 381 by 1929.

About this subsequent rally, it should be said that it was very uneven. As Ahmed noted about the 1920s bull run, "Of the thousand or so companies listed on the New York Stock Exchange, as many went down as went up." Textile, coal and railroad firms which represented the "old economy" were struggling, while automobile, radio and consumer appliance stocks were rising with great gusto.

Fast forward to the 1990s, and a rally very similar to that which occurred in the 1920s revealed itself. While the Dow rose 429 percent during the 1920s, in the '90s it rose 328 percent. The Nasdaq actually jumped 788% during the decade.

But as in the 1920s the rally was very uneven. Indeed, as author Nathan Lewis observed in Gold: The Once and Future Money, despite a major stock-market boom from 1997-2000, "most stocks actually fell, and most businesses stagnated." Lewis went on to point out that by the end of 1999, "a year the S&P 500 gained 19.5% and the Nasdaq composite index 85.6%, a full 70% of NYSE listed stocks were lower than they were a year earlier."

According to Ahmed, on September 3, 1929, the day that the Dow Jones topped out, "only 19 of the 826 stocks on the New York Exchange attained all-time highs. Almost a third had fallen at least 20 percent from their highest points." The Fed had raised interest rates to restrain just twenty stocks.

This scenario might sound familiar to investors who struggled to keep pace with market-index returns in the '90s. Doing so proved very difficult given the narrow nature of the stock-market rally. Indeed, with just a few companies accounting for a great deal of the market's gains, only a money manager willing to narrow his own portfolio to a small number of high performers would stand much chance of beating the broad stock market indices.

Just as the Fed raised rates in the late '20s to correct what was a narrow rally, so it did once again towards the end of the '90s rally in early 2000 - for remarkably similar reasons. To quote economist Charles Kadlec in the Wall Street Journal in March of 2000, "the overall market's price/earnings ratio has increased to 30 times current earnings from 17, suggesting that stocks may be overvalued. But virtually all of this increase can be attributed to the 25 stocks with the biggest market capitalizations in the Standard & Poor's 500 index." "In other words, Mr. Greenspan is threatening to slow the growth of the U.S. economy and throw people out of work because 25 stocks may be overvalued."

In the 1920s the hot, "new economy" stocks were GM and RCA, which had respectively risen twenty and seventy fold during the decade. Much the same, investors in 1990s market leaders such as Microsoft, Dell Computer, Cisco and AOL achieved outsized returns much greater than they would have from the S&P itself.

The dollar's direction in the 1920s and 1990s. With respect to currency behavior in the '20s and '90s the parallel is less clear. In the 1990s the dollar price of gold fell 31 percent, and in hitting a modern low of $250/ounce in 1999, the dollar fell into "deflationary" territory according to some economists. In the 1920s, however, the US was still on the gold standard, with the gold price fixed at $20.67/ounce.

It would be difficult to compare a decade of stable money values versus one in which the dollar's price was fixed. But in considering the dollar's fixed definition in terms of gold, Stanford economist Ronald McKinnon's point about gold being a metal "whose floor price is fixed but whose ceiling price is not" should perhaps be taken into account.

Indeed, according to Arthur Laffer, "By 1970 that price (gold) had risen to $47" despite the fact that the official price remained at $35 per ounce until August 15, 1971. It might also be asked whether the price of gold in private markets had fallen in the 1920s. Although I can find no evidence for that, a great deal of anecdotal evidence exists to bolster the claim that something was amiss with the value of the dollar in the 1920s. Be they commodity prices other than gold, or less accurate government indicators, there were signs of negative inflation during the decade.

In The Forgotten Man, economic historian Amity Shlaes observed that in the late 1920s, farmers suffered "falling grain prices." In their book Monetary Policy, A Market Price Approach, economists Manuel Johnson and Robert Keleher noted that from 1921 to 1930, "prices actually fell 1.1 percent per year." Further on in Monetary Policy, Johnson and Keleher discussed the Fed, and the fact that "it disowned any responsibility for the drastic decline of commodity prices which had been underway since 1925."

Ahmed revealed in Lords of Finance that "Since 1925, U.S. wholesale prices had fallen 10 percent, and consumer prices 2 percent." His explanation for this seeming conflict with the gold standard was that since "the price of gold was fixed in dollar terms, the first symptom of a gold shortage was not a rise in its price - that by definition could not happen - but a fall in the price of all other commodities."

Concerning the notion of a shortage of gold, according to Ahmed, in the 1920s the Fed "was required to have 40 percent of all the currency it issued on hand in gold." But while those were the guidelines under which the Fed was supposed to have operated in the '20s, New York Fed president Benjamin Strong did not adhere to this rule.

Instead, in the 1920s massive amounts of gold reached the United States, this inflow likely due to increased productivity on the part of US producers laboring under rates of taxation that continued to fall. Production generates money demand, and with US workers enormously productive, more and more gold reached the United States.

But perhaps incorrectly fearful of the inflationary implications of the rising gold inflows, Strong, according to Ahmed, "began to short-circuit the effects of additional gold on the money supply by contracting the amount of credit it supplied to banks, thus offsetting any liquidity from gold inflows." In effect, gold, or money, was withdrawn from circulation.

Logic tells us not to concern ourselves with questions of "money supply," but what's hard to figure is whether money quantities take on different meaning when a commodity - gold - is to a high degree the supply of money. Whatever the answer, falling commodity prices in the '20s mirror what happened in the 1990s, when commodities fell across the board. Without being able to prove that excessive dollar strength drove the private market price of gold downward (much as a weak dollar drove its private market price upward in late '60s/early '70s), the performance of non-gold commodities raises questions about monetary policy in the '20s that are hard to dismiss out of hand.

In terms of investment, the certain beneficiaries in both decades at least in the near-term were once again "new economy" companies producing advanced products, while "old economy" firms more in the commodity space suffered.

Notably, the "match" that lit the economic fire in the late '20s was the Smoot-Hawley tariff bill which was originally crafted to help farmers weather declining commodity prices. Similarly, with gold having fallen to roughly $250/ounce once again in 2001, tariffs were raised on steel and agricultural products. The question then is whether these tariffs would have seen the light of day in a truly stable-dollar environment?

Stock market returns in the 1970s and the '00s. From February 5th of 1971 to the decade's end, the Nasdaq rose 51 percent. Over that same time frame, the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 4 percent. In the decade which just ended, the Nasdaq fell 44 percent, while the Dow declined 9 percent.

But just as impressive stock market rallies in the '20s and '90s masked a very uneven economic climate, so did poor returns in the '70s and the decade just past hide the fact that some people - at least on paper - were achieving great wealth. Indeed, author David Frum described the 1970s this way in his 2000 book, How We Got Here - "If you had the nerve to borrow a lot of soggy cash, and then use it to buy hard assets - land, grain, metals, art, silver candlesticks, a book of Austro-Hungarian postage stamps - you could make a killing in the 1970s." Frum noted further that when Forbes magazine "published its first list of the 400 richest Americans in 1982, 153 of them owed their fortunes to real estate or oil. (On the 1998 list, by contrast, only fifty-seven fortunes derived from real estate or oil.)"

Futurist George Gilder observed about the '70s that while "24 million investors in the stock markets were being buffeted by inflation and taxes, 46 million homeowners were leveraging their houses with mortgages, deducting the interest payments on their taxes, and earning higher real returns on their down payment equity than speculators in gold or foreign currencies." Gilder also cited a 1978 Fortune magazine study in which half the new multi-millionaires were in real estate.

Fast forward to the decade just completed, real estate was yet again the hot asset class. Perhaps subconsciously seeking to hedge their wealth against inflation, Americans to some degree exited the much subdued stock market in favor of land speculation.

The Wall Street Journal reported in 2007 that "Commodities traders - long considered poor cousins to blue-blood investment bankers - are rapidly climbing out of the pits and into the corner office." Whereas technology firms received the lion's share of Wall Street's attention in the '90s, billionaire steel magnate Lakshmi Mittal's firm ArcelorMittal seemed to be making the biggest acquisitions. A USA Today headline blared, "States battle rise in copper thefts" as the commodity soared in value.

A Bloomberg story from May of 2008 noted that absent the profits of Exxon Mobil, Chevron and ConocoPhillips, "profits at U.S. companies are the worst in at least a decade." Just as "new economy" firms captured a much greater share of profits during the '20s and '90s, "old economy" oil producers roared back this past decade."

The dollar's direction in the '70s and the '00s. The answer to the dollar riddle isn't particularly obscure. While the dollar was strong - perhaps excessively so - in the '20s and '90s, in the '70s and the recent decade it was extraordinarily weak.

The dollar price of gold once again tells the tale. In the '70s, gold jumped from $35/ounce all the way to $875 for a brief time in January of 1980. In the decade just concluded, gold traded as low as $253/ounce in 2001, but not too long ago briefly hit $1,200/ounce.

In the 1970s President Jimmy Carter complained that our "intolerable dependence on foreign oil threatens our economic independence," and his proclamation paired well with President George W. Bush's 2006 State of the Union suggestion that Americans were "addicted to oil." Had a weak dollar not driven oil's price skyward in both decades, it's fair to assume that both wouldn't have mentioned oil at all.

Commodities, and most other hard assets including housing, stamps and rare art, tend to do well in dollar terms when the greenback is weak, and they tend to list when the dollar is strong. At the very least these fluctuations retard investment as the changing value of goods in currency terms distracts investors from focusing on the best place to put their capital.

Conclusion. If it's agreed that the '90s somewhat resembled the '20s, and that the '00s in many ways mirrored the ‘70s, it should also be concluded that unstable currencies are problematic and inefficient for directing the proper use of what is limited capital.

When money is cheap, a shift into hard assets leads to a decline in future production. Conversely, when money is particularly dear, money flows into intangible concepts at the expense of less vibrant, but still important parts of the economic whole. Whatever the direction of currencies, instability leads to capricious wealth redistribution and general uncertainty that makes it difficult for economic actors to optimize their actions.

The answer to all of this remains a stable dollar in terms of gold, and one in which monetary authorities seek to avoid dollar strength as much as dollar weakness. Currency instability is a problem no matter the way in which those who watch our money err, and until we acknowledge that the dollar's value must have both a ceiling and a floor, periods of uneven investment resulting from the variability of money will remain with us.

John Tamny is editor of RealClearMarkets, a senior economic adviser to H.C. Wainwright Economics, and a senior economic adviser to Toreador Research and Trading (www.trtadvisors.com). He can be reached at jtamny@realclearmarkets.com.

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2010/06/15/a_tale_of_four_stock-market_decades_98516.html
 
The Triumph of Diversification
Joshua M Brown October 3rd, 2012

In a market meltup, it's difficult for an advisor to make the case to certain clients that bonds have a place in their portfolios. They look at their bond holdings with disdain during periods where they drag against a runaway stock market. These are the same clients who are furious that they're fully invested through a correction, but that's a whole other blog post...

Fidelity Investments is out with a piece that shows how a diversified portfolio, in which both stocks and bonds can live together, was the thing that really helped you throughout the credit crash and recovery period.

Here's how a 70/30ish portfolio would have fared since the outset of the crisis (versus an all-in or all-out approach):

Diversification has not failed

While it may have felt like diversification failed during the downturn, it didn't. The major asset classes are not perfectly correlated, only more highly correlated. There's a difference—it means that diversification still helped contain portfolio losses, only the benefit was lower than before the market decline.

Consider the performance of three hypothetical portfolios: a diversified portfolio of 70% stocks, 25% bonds, and 5% short-term investments; a 100% stock portfolio; and an all-cash portfolio.
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Its time for the financial industry to go the way of steam locomotives and the buggy whip. It cannot exist in the so called private sector without the aide of government $700 billion plus hand outs and corporate welfare. Every dollar that is so called invested is actual tax payer money. The sit-on-their-ass class that live off of dividends and capital gains with out creating anything tangible that the population at large can benefit from, which Paris Hilton and George W. Bush are proud members, are the biggest government lobbyists for bloated, bad decision making business incompetence every conceived. Wall Street needs to be out sourced to countries that will execute corporate criminals and play lower wages for the same job that over paid, lazy and non innovation is punished. Let economic Darwinism take is course!

no offense but did your little brother write this? WTF :hmm:

Ok, instead of dismissing it out of hand, tell me where you think it is wrong. All of the ideas that stanuch free marketers claim liberals are in error, conservative idealogs are using to prop up Wall Street. I have always said there is no logic in capitalism, we just except it by faith, just like religon.

I musta been having a bad day, my badz...I don't agree with what you said but I agree with the idea:cool:

What don't you agree?


OK, it's been damn near 4 years and yet no response to the allegation.


"I'm the world's original gradualist. I just think ninety-odd years is gradual enough."

Thurgood Marshall
19th May 1958."
 
S&P 500 must rally 25% to hit new high

S&P 500 must rally 25% to hit new high
Commentary: Next 10 years may disappoint
By Mark Hulbert, MarketWatch
May 7, 2013, 7:01 a.m. EDT

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (MarketWatch) — Stock market bulls face an inconvenient truth as they celebrate the stock market’s new all-time highs.

Inflation.

It turns out that, when you take inflation into account, the stock market is not at an all-time high. It’s not even close.

No wonder the bulls are in denial.

Consider the data, courtesy of data compiled by Yale University finance professor Robert Shiller. In inflation-adjusted terms, the S&P 500 SPX +0.52% hit its all-time high in early 2000, at the top of the internet bubble. If we were to denominate that index’s level in today’s dollars, the S&P before the bubble burst would have been above 2,000 —24% higher than where it stands today.

To be sure, dividends soften this blow — but only partially. Even with dividends re-invested, the inflation-adjusted S&P 500 index today is below its early-2000 peak.

I don’t know about you, but to me this inflation-adjusted perspective vindicates the arguments that were outlined in the book “Irrational Exuberance,” published in 2000 by Shiller and Harvard economist John Campbell. As you may recall, that book introduced a modified price/earnings ratio that was less immune to the cyclical variability that plagues the traditional ratio. This modified version, known as the cyclically adjusted p/e ratio, or CAPE, divides the S&P 500’s level by average inflation-adjusted earnings over the trailing 10 years.

Shiller and Campbell reported that the CAPE had an impressive track record in forecasting the stock market’s return over the subsequent 10 years. And that was scary indeed, since the CAPE in early 2000 was higher than at any other time in history.

And, sure enough, here we are more than 13 years later and the S&P 500, in inflation-adjusted terms, is still below where it stood when their book was published.

Where does the CAPE stand today?

It currently is at 23.3, which is 41% higher than its historical average. While the CAPE’s current level is not as high as the 40+ readings that were registered at the top of the internet bubble, it does not bode well for the next ten years. On average over the last century, the S&P 500 has produced a 10-year inflation-adjusted return of close to zero whenever the CAPE has been above 20.

To be sure, note carefully that this is a 10-year forecast. Even if it turns out to be accurate, it doesn’t mean the market will decline in a straight line between now and 2023. It wouldn’t be inconsistent with this forecast for the market’s impressive recent rally to continue for a while longer, for example.

But if it were to continue, the odds would grow even more that equity returns over the next 10 years will be disappointing.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sp-500-must-rally-25-to-hit-new-high-2013-05-07?dist=beforebell
 
What Stock to Buy? Hey, Mom, Don’t Ask Me

What Stock to Buy? Hey, Mom, Don’t Ask Me
By N. GREGORY MANKIW
Published: May 18, 2013

OVER the last few weeks, as the stock market has reached new highs, my thoughts have turned to my 85-year-old mother.

“O.K. Mr. Smarty-Pants,” she often asks me, “what stock should I buy now?”

She first asked me this question when I was an undergraduate at Princeton, majoring in economics. She asked again when I was a graduate student at M.I.T., earning a Ph.D. in economics. And she has asked it regularly during the last three decades when I have been an economics professor at Harvard.

Unfortunately, she has never been happy with my answers, which are usually evasive. Nothing in the toolbox of economists makes us good stock pickers.

Yet we economists have written countless studies about the stock market. Here is a summary of what we know:

THE MARKET PROCESSES INFORMATION QUICKLY One prominent theory of the stock market — the efficient markets hypothesis — explains how answering my mother’s question would be a fool’s errand. If I knew anything good about a company, that news would be incorporated into the stock’s price before I had the chance to act on it. Unless you have extraordinary insight or inside information, you should presume that no stock is a better buy than any other.

This theory gained public attention in 1973 with the publication of “A Random Walk Down Wall Street,” by Burton G. Malkiel, the Princeton economist. He suggested that so-called expert money managers weren’t worth their cost and recommended that investors buy low-cost index funds. Most economists I know follow this advice.

PRICE MOVES ARE OFTEN INEXPLICABLE Even if changes in stock prices are unpredictable, as efficient markets theory suggests, we should be able to explain these changes after the fact. That is, we should be able to identify the news that causes stock prices to rise and fall. Sometimes we can, but often we can’t.

In 1981, Robert J. Shiller, a regular contributor to this column and an economics professor at Yale, published a paper in The American Economic Review called, “Do Stock Prices Move Too Much to Be Justified by Subsequent Changes in Dividends?” He argued that stock prices were too volatile. In particular, they fluctuated much more than a rational valuation of the underlying fundamentals would.

Mr. Shiller’s paper prompted a storm of controversy. My reading of the subsequent academic literature is that his conclusions, though not all his techniques, have survived the debate. Stock prices seem to have a life of their own.

Advocates of market rationality now say that stock prices move in response to changing risk premiums, though they can’t explain why risk premiums move as they do. Others suggest that the market moves in response to irrational waves of optimism and pessimism, what John Maynard Keynes called the “animal spirits” of investors. Either approach is really just an admission of economists’ ignorance about what moves the market.

HOLDING STOCKS IS A GOOD BET The large, often inexplicable movements in stock prices might deter someone from holding stocks in the first place. Many Americans, even some with significant financial assets, avoid stocks altogether. But doing so is a mistake, because the risk of holding stocks is amply rewarded.

In 1985, Rajnish Mehra and Edward C. Prescott, both now at Arizona State University, published a paper in the Journal of Monetary Economics called “The Equity Premium: A Puzzle.” They pointed out that over a long time span, stocks have earned, on average, about 6 percent more per year than safe assets like Treasury bills. This large premium, they said, is hard to explain with standard economic models. Sure, stocks are risky, so you can never be certain you’ll earn the premium, but they are not risky enough to justify such a large expected return.

Since the paper was published, economists have made some limited progress in explaining the equity premium. In any event, the large premium has convinced most of us that stocks should be part of everyone’s financial plan. I allocate 60 percent of my financial assets to equities.

Stocks may be an especially good deal today. According to a recent study by two economists at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, given the low level of interest rates, the equity premium now is the highest it has been in 50 years.

DIVERSIFICATION IS ESSENTIAL Every time a company experiences a catastrophic decline — consider Enron or Lehman Brothers — reports emerge about employees who held most of their wealth in company stock. These stories leave economists slapping their heads. If there is one thing we know for sure, it is that sensible financial management requires diversification.

So, if you have more than 5 percent of your assets in any one company, call your broker and sell. Doing otherwise means exposing yourself to extra risk without extra reward.

SMART INVESTORS THINK GLOBALLY One widely documented failure of diversification is what economists call home bias. People tend to invest disproportionately in their home country.

Most economists take a more global perspective. The United States represents a bit under half of the world’s stock portfolio. Because Europe, Japan and the emerging markets don’t move in lock step with the United States, it makes sense to invest abroad as well.

Which brings me back to my mother’s question: If I could pick just one stock for someone to buy, what would it be? I would now suggest something like the Vanguard Total World Stock exchange-traded fund, which started trading in 2008. In one package, you can get low cost and maximal diversification. It may not be as exciting as trying to pick the next Apple or Google, but you’ll sleep better at night.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/19/business/for-stock-picking-advice-dont-ask-an-economist.html?_r=2&
 
U.S. Stocks Rise as Fed Official Says FOMC Backs Stimulus

One typical day in the stock market.

There are no good fundamentals driving the stock market higher. Bad news is exposed then the Fed prop up asset prices.

Capitalism would make it rain bankers and traders on Wall Street.


Manufacturing Data

Data today fueled concern that economic growth could slow, as a report from the Institute for Supply Management showed manufacturing unexpectedly contracted in May at the fastest pace in four years.

...The S&P 500 initially traded higher on the reports before retreating as much as 0.5 percent.
Shares Climb

Stocks rose, erasing earlier losses, after Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta President Dennis Lockhart said central bank officials are committed to record stimulus measures. The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index climbed 0.6 percent to 1,640.42 at the close in New York after posting its first consecutive weekly losses since November.
Surprise Factory Downturn Holds Back U.S. Growth

U.S. Stocks Rise as Fed Official Says FOMC Backs Stimulus
 
U.S. Stocks Rise as GDP Report Fuels Fed Stimulus Bets

There are no good fundamentals driving the stock market higher. Bad news is exposed then the Fed prop up asset prices.
U.S. Stocks Rise as GDP Report Fuels Fed Stimulus Bets

U.S. stocks rose, sending the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index (SPX) higher for a second day, as China’s cash crunch eased and slower-than-forecast economic growth fueled speculation the Federal Reserve will maintain stimulus.
Gross domestic product expanded at a revised 1.8 percent annualized rate from January through March, down from a prior estimate of 2.4 percent, figures from the Commerce Department showed today in Washington. Household purchases, which account for about 70 percent of the economy, were revised to a 2.6 percent advance compared with the 3.4 percent gain estimated last month.
Bank Stocks

Financial shares advanced 0.7 percent. Citigroup gained 0.7 percent to $47.32, and Bank of America added 0.5 percent to $12.74.

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Stocks, bonds rise sharply as Fed keeps stimulus

You hypocrites need to stop complaining about the wealth gap and income inequality. The government you voted for is facilitating it's redistributionist policies just like it said it would.

Share the Wealth right? Well, this is what it's always looked like.

$85 billion a month in perpetuity.


Stocks, bonds rise sharply as Fed keeps stimulus
By KEN SWEET | Associated Press
34 mins ago

NEW YORK (AP) — The stock market hit a record high Wednesday after the Federal Reserve's surprise decision to keep its economic stimulus in place.

Bond yields fell sharply and the price of gold jumped as traders anticipated that the Fed's decision might cause inflation.

In a statement, Fed policymakers voted to maintain the central bank's $85 billion-a-month bond-buying program, which has been in place in one form or another since late 2008. The bank said that while the U.S. economy was improving, policymakers "decided to await more evidence that progress will be sustained" before deciding to cut back.

The market had been in a holding pattern before the Fed released its policy statement at 2 p.m. Eastern time. Moments before the decision was announced, the Standard & Poor's 500 was little changed from the day before.

The Fed's decision, which was announced at the end of a two-day policy meeting, shook the market out of its lull. The S&P 500 was up 17 points, or 1 percent, to 1,722 in afternoon trading, having sliced through its previous all-time high of 1,709.67 set on Aug. 2.

The Dow Jones industrial average was up 131 points, or 0.9 percent, to 15,664, above its previous record high of 15,658, also set Aug. 2.

The fate of the Fed's economic stimulus program has been the biggest question on Wall Street for months. It was widely expected that the Fed would cut back on its bond buying at its September meeting.

Tom di Galoma, a bond trader at ED&F Man Capital, said he was "completely shocked" that the Fed decided to wait.

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke laid out a plan in June to start easing up on the bond-purchase program, and pledged to end it by the middle of 2014, if the economy continued to improve.

Bond prices also rose sharply, sending yields lower. The yield on the 10-year Treasury note fell to 2.73 percent from 2.87 percent a minute before the Fed released its statement. That yield is a benchmark for many kinds of lending rates, including home mortgages.

The price of gold jumped $34, or 2.7 percent, to $1,344 an ounce.

http://news.yahoo.com/stocks-bonds-rise-sharply-fed-keeps-stimulus-181454870--finance.html
 
Re: Stocks, bonds rise sharply as Fed keeps stimulus

You hypocrites need to stop complaining about the wealth gap and income inequality. The government you voted for is facilitating it's redistributionist policies just like it said it would.

I didn't vote for Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, John Boehner or Darrell Izza.
 
Re: Stocks, bonds rise sharply as Fed keeps stimulus

I didn't vote for Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, John Boehner or Darrell Izza.
Are they the ones administering the programs? Are they renominating the Fed chairman who supports it and nominating the new Fed chairman who will support it?

Instead of blaming the Chief Executive, you decided to blame half of Congress. I was going to ask how you aren't sick to your stomach when you see this, but it's clear they must add Tums to your kool-aid.

Let's have more conversations about who the pro-corporate posters are on this board.
 
Re: Stocks, bonds rise sharply as Fed keeps stimulus

Are they the ones administering the programs? Are they renominating the Fed chairman who supports it and nominating the new Fed chairman who will support it?

Instead of blaming the Chief Executive, you decided to blame half of Congress. I was going to ask how you aren't sick to your stomach when you see this, but it's clear they must add Tums to your kool-aid.

Let's have more conversations about who the pro-corporate posters are on this board.

Are they the ones administering the programs?


Are they the ones preventing ending tax breaks for oil companies?

Are they the ones that blocked a bill that would have ended tax breaks for companies that move jobs overseas.

Are they the ones that caused the credit rating of the US to be lowered?

Are they the ones preventing every jobs bill in the last two years to be blocked?

Are they the ones blocking any minimum wage hike?

Are they the ones threatening to shut down the government over a law that was approved constitutional by the Supreme Court?

Are they the ones blocking the presidents nominees?


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Re: Stocks, bonds rise sharply as Fed keeps stimulus

Are they the ones administering the programs? Are they renominating the Fed chairman who supports it and nominating the new Fed chairman who will support it?

Instead of blaming the Chief Executive, you decided to blame half of Congress. I was going to ask how you aren't sick to your stomach when you see this, but it's clear they must add Tums to your kool-aid.

Let's have more conversations about who the pro-corporate posters are on this board.

Are they the ones that lowered the US credit rating?

Are they the ones blocking bills to to end tax breaks for companies moving overseas?

Are they the ones blocking minimum wage increases?

Are they the ones blocking every jobs bill in the last two years?

Are they the ones preventing ending tax breaks for oil companies?

Are they the ones threatening to shut down the government over a law ruled constitutional by the Supreme court?

The corporations have the republicans and yes, some Democrats by the balls. The reality is, those Democrats are getting voted out every election, whereas the republican corporate tea party zombies are getting voted in.

Despite every road block the wing nut tea party has put in front of the President, the economy has risen out of the morass GW created.

I say, not bad!

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Your turn.
 
Re: Stocks, bonds rise sharply as Fed keeps stimulus

Are they the ones preventing ending tax breaks for oil companies?

Are they the ones that blocked a bill that would have ended tax breaks for companies that move jobs overseas.

Are they the ones that caused the credit rating of the US to be lowered?

Are they the ones preventing every jobs bill in the last two years to be blocked?

Are they the ones blocking any minimum wage hike?

Are they the ones threatening to shut down the government over a law that was approved constitutional by the Supreme Court?

Are they the ones blocking the presidents nominees?


kool-aid-republican-conservative-kool-aid-political-poster-1272579652.jpg

Are they the ones that lowered the US credit rating?

Are they the ones blocking bills to to end tax breaks for companies moving overseas?

Are they the ones blocking minimum wage increases?

Are they the ones blocking every jobs bill in the last two years?

Are they the ones preventing ending tax breaks for oil companies?

Are they the ones threatening to shut down the government over a law ruled constitutional by the Supreme court?

The corporations have the republicans and yes, some Democrats by the balls. The reality is, those Democrats are getting voted out every election, whereas the republican corporate tea party zombies are getting voted in.

Despite every road block the wing nut tea party has put in front of the President, the economy has risen out of the morass GW created.

I say, not bad!

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Your turn.
How are you deriving justification of Obama's and Bernanke's actions with those questions?

Is this the post where you make it clear you've given up pretending? No more screaming about Justice. No matter what has happened in history and still going on, just blame Republicans.

Enjoy the country you deserve thoughtone.
 
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