THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....

[Upgrade Dave]

I'm not as big a Mangus guy as I am for Roode but I think your idea works, Mangus can pin Roode then get beat by AJ which could sent up a program between Roode and Mangus that could down the line help build Mangus up and lead to Roode winning the title from AJ.

Yep. AJ, Roode, Bully, and Aries will be in the title picture for the next few months and they can always pull the trigger on Storm at any time but there's something to Magnus, they just need to set up the feuds to get him to the next level. He's in the Magnum TA spot and needs a Tully Blanchard. Right now he's getting "yay, he's the babyface" polite applause, that's not enough to be world champ.

Yeah I remember they did that with Punk but what I'm seeing with Bryan is just a complete lack of offense. To me he doesn't even look like an underdog, just a poor guy who gets his ass kicked every week, almost like the main event version of Zack Ryder... It's clear HHH is trying to play off and be the new age McMahon level heel but you're hurting both Orton and Bryan. He's making himself the focal point of every Raw. I'm waiting for the Raw where Bryan just kicks all types of ass but honestly with his build and type of offense its looking less and less likely he'll ever have that kind of night. Which makes this feud less enjoyable and almost waste the support Bryan gets every week.

It's a sad state when getting a concussion and being honest about how you feel basically buries Ziggler and honestly it looks like no matter how many top level matches Cesaro puts on they just wont back him. Cesaro could be a legit top guy for a long time but they'd rather push...Sandow

That's how I see all of that, every bit. When Cesaro got pinned by Santino, SANTINO!!!, that was just a . He's already been doing jobs so how much longer will they test him like this? And how long before it's too much and people don't buy him? If you can't be Santino, you definitely can't beat Cena or Orton.

that hard times promo was dope.

Old school Dusty could say shit that would make a grown man cry. He was like a Southern evangelist.

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I haven't been in this thread recently. Bray Wyatt needed a big win but it shouldn't have come at the expense of Ziggler who is just starting to really to get look as a face. Save that for a future time and place on a PPV. Of course the fact that Ziggler is so good at selling may have played a part. Hell Dolph showed up on NXT a few weeks back against a guy making his debut and spent 70% of the match selling for the other guy.

I couldn't believe it when I saw it. This last Raw was just crazy in who won and lost. Unlike the SummerSlam build, this didn't make me want to buy Night of Champions at all.

I don't know if anyone saw the match but they should look for the NXT match between Antonio Cesaro and Sami Zayn(formerly known as El Generico). Zayn also just had a good match with Swagger on NXT.

They brought ROH to WWE.
Zayn's been getting good response's at live shows while they've been in strong ROH cities so he might be brought up sooner rather than later.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

MAJOR, MAJOR NAME GONE FROM WWE
by Mike Johnson @ 4:09 PM on 9/11/2013

World Wrestling Entertainment issued a statement on their website announcing that WWE Hall of Famer Jim Ross has retired from the company, effective immediately. The article noted Ross was leaving to "focus on personal business endeavors."
Ross, long considered one of the best announcers of all time, also presided over the then-WWF Talent Relations department, signing some of the most important talents to the company's modern age to deals, including Steve Austin, Mick Foley, Trish Stratus, Edge and many, many more.

Since leaving the talent relations end, Ross has been involved with a number of behind the scenes responsibilities including determining talent payoffs, WWE developmental and assisting with different licensed products, including the WWE video game series.

Ross broke into the business in Bill Watts' Mid-South promotion, which as irony would have it, was the featured subject of a DVD which WWE released this past Tuesday featuring new commentary Ross called over old footage.

Ross debuted for the company at Wrestlemania IX in 1993, coming over from World Championship Wrestling. He was in and out of the company several times but became one of the most important figures in the history of WWE, both as an on-air performer as the voice of the Attitude Era and as a backstage official.

WWE inducted Ross into their Hall of Fame in 2006 in Detroit, Michigan.

Ross' BBQ product had been sold via WWE online. There is no word whether that will change with his departure

 

[RiverCity]

Dave Meltzer of The Wrestling Observer just released a breaking audio update, and has provided even more information on the developing story of Jim Ross announcing his retirement from WWE.

According to Meltzer, JR met with Vince McMahon in Connecticut last night, and all but a handful of Vince's inner circle had any idea why the meeting was taking place.


The reason why Jim Ross was let go from WWE was due to his inability to control Ric Flair at the WWE 2K Sports panel that took place the night before SummerSlam. As we noted earlier, there was talk of letting JR go "the minute the panel ended," as WWE felt he should have cut Flair off and regained control of the event.


Meltzer further noted that the part of the panel that drew the most heat for Flair was when he made mention of his son Reid's death and when he joked that John Cena never used to drink before they met but now he downs a six pack of beer every night.


The update went on to note that WWE is using the "retirement" excuse as a PR move to avoid major uproar over the firing of a beloved WWE talent and Hall of Famer. Meltzer stands by his belief that Ross was let go entirely due to the 2K Sports panel because just a couple weeks ago during his Q&A session in The UK, Ross said he had no plans to retire from WWE.


Another interesting note is that aside from Vince McMahon, Triple H and a couple other employees mentioning it on Twitter, no WWE wrestlers have commented on the news of JR retiring.

 

[Simply Sickenin']

WWE fired Jim Ross ....

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[XXXplosive]

WWE fired Jim Ross ....

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The whole thing smells like a work to me
I'm calling BS...watch JR show up on RAW soon

 

[Upgrade Dave]

The whole thing smells like a work to me
I'm calling BS...watch JR show up on RAW soon

It's not. He might come back but this is real.

More on the topic, most covered in River City's post

WHY JIM ROSS IS GONE FROM WWE, WHY THE COMPANY STATED HE RETIRED AND MORE
by Mike Johnson @ 7:32 PM on 9/11/2013

The word making the rounds within WWE is that Jim Ross' retirement was actually the company's way of announcing that he had been let go without causing any major uproar among fans, since Ross is so beloved. This way, Ross could depart a hero who left of his own accord.
We are told that the decision for Ross to leave the company is at least partially due to fallout from the WWE 2K14 videogame event that took place the night before Summerslam in Los Angeles, CA last month.

As you may remember, that was the event where Ric Flair took control of the festivities and a media event that was designed to promote the new WWE videogame and it's "30 Years of Wrestlemania" theme instead turned into the Flair show with stories about how he turned John Cena into a drinker, etc.

At the time, WWE officials were embarrassed by Flair's behavior and literally walked him out of the event. The fallout and anger over the event spread to Ross since the company felt that as the host, he should have been able to control the situation and instead joked about "Grey Goose" vodka sponsoring the festivities and how they had lost the script. It should be noted that during the Q&A, Ross initially tried to stay away from Flair, but Mick Foley pointed out that Ric hadn't said anything, which sent things spiraling in that direction.

WWE was furious with Flair that weekend and sources have indicated that Flair was told that without major changes to how he had been acting, he would not be welcome to work with the company going forward, in any fashion. Flair has not made any public appearances since.

According to one high-up source within 2K Sports, they were not upset in the least with Flair's antics and if anything were "entertained by the spectacle of it." WWE, however, were upset that they were having their first presentation with a new licensee and it went to hell.

It is believed that the call for Ross to depart was made by Vince McMahon and that Ross was informed in the last day or so.

Ross had been working as a talent scout and helping with WWE developmental. He had also, from time to time, laid out commentary for WWE licensed products, such as DVDs and videogames.

It obviously stands to reason that the company could still call upon him to do additional voiceover work, if Ross was willing to do so.

We are told Ross has already received at least one major offer to sit down and do shoot interviews about his career. Ross recently took part in his first speaking tour overseas, and has been looking into additional speaking engagements as well.

Ross has not commented publicly on his departure.

JIM ROSS BLOGS ON WWE DEPARTURE
by Mike Johnson @ 9:34 PM on 9/11/2013

Jim Ross has posted a new blog entry on his JrsBarBQ.com discussing his exit from World Wrestling Entertainment after 20 years (minus a few hiatuses).
Interestingly, in the blog, Ross does not make note of any "retirement". Instead, he noted that today was his "last day" with WWE and commented that he had lots of plans.

Ross also suggested that he now had the appropriate time to write an autobiography, something he has long teased penning.

You should read the entire blog, but Ross does touch upon his experience working for the company, writing:

"I wouldn't have changed a thing in WWE except I wish that I'd been able to avoid some health issues along the way. That was the hand that I was dealt and I simply refused to fold it.

Other that health issues my 'run' in WWE has exceeded my wildest dreams.

I was fortunate enough to have a key role in arguably one of the most interesting and compelling eras in our business's history."


Other than the firing, the worst part is Vince, Steph, and HHH going on Twitter and continuing to act like JR retired.
That part is a work.

 

[dirtyd]

Wait until they get to a smark city and the "We Want JR" chants drown out whatever boring promo they're trying to cut.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Wait until they get to a smark city and the "We Want JR" chants drown out whatever boring promo they're trying to cut.

It's going the fuck down in Detroit Sunday.

 

[Simply Sickenin']

Wait until they get to a smark city and the "We Want JR" chants drown out whatever boring promo they're trying to cut.

It's going the fuck down in Detroit Sunday.

The idea of Detroit going nuts has me more hyped up for the PPV than any match on the card. They should know better than to pull something like that, and then go into a real wrestling city.

And speaking of Sunday .... if WWE is going to keep doing the gimmick PPVs, the least they could do is actually stick to their guns about the gimmick. Isn't night of champions suppose to mean that every title is on the line. I know they have to feature non-title matches to advance some of the stories, but this year is a little ridiculous.
Curtis Axel is in a match .... and the IC title isn't up for grabs.

And why does the 'official' Night if Champions poster feature Kofi holding the IC title?

He's not the champ. Hell, I don't even think he has a match on the card.
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[RealHipHop]

The idea of Detroit going nuts has me more hyped up for the PPV than any match on the card. They should know better than to pull something like that, and then go into a real wrestling city.

And speaking of Sunday .... if WWE is going to keep doing the gimmick PPVs, the least they could do is actually stick to their guns about the gimmick. Isn't night of champions suppose to mean that every title is on the line. I know they have to feature non-title matches to advance some of the stories, but this year is a little ridiculous.
Curtis Axel is in a match .... and the IC title isn't up for grabs.

And why does the 'official' Night if Champions poster feature Kofi holding the IC title?

He's not the champ. Hell, I don't even think he has a match on the card.
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Wtf that's official?

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[Upgrade Dave]

Seeing he's on a win streak and is publicly known to be a good friend of Punk's, I expect Kofi to be in this ppv, one way or another.


TNA fired their head of talent relations (Bruce Pritchard), I hadn't heard of him being replaced and Jim Ross, WWE's best of head of talent relatons probably ever, just became available.
Both sides need to find a number and make this work immediately.

 

[dtownsfinest]

Yea WWE is lowkey giving Kofi a push out of nowhere after burying him out of nowhere.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Yea WWE is lowkey giving Kofi a push out of nowhere after burying him out of nowhere.

They do that with so many people and then blame the guys for not getting over. I hope Kofi gets something going.


TNA killed it last night from the opening video to Bully coming down with Brooke (that ass) to the matches. If that was Ken Anderson's last TNA match, then they sent him off right with the best match he's had in a long time, as a babyface, and putting over the champ and making Bully look like a killer.

 

[Simply Sickenin']

I'm actually shocked that they didn't take the title off AJ and give it to one of the Total Divas stars.

Happy .... but surprised ​

 

[RealHipHop]

So Paul done scooped up a new swole nigga while Brock takin a break? Lol

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[Multi - Personality]

keep the updates coming

 

[Simply Sickenin']

keep the updates coming

I'm really not looking forward to a Punk vs Ryback match

And I really thought they were going to put the title on Prime Time Players. Since the Shield is doing the whole Hounds of Triple H thing, they really don't need the titles right now. PTP could have definitely used the win and the titles more.

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[chrislee]

Im surprised HHH didn't come out and restart the match. The ref Armstrong made a fast ass count. Glad Daniel Bryan won the belt but im sure he won't have it long.

 

[RealHipHop]

Im surprised HHH didn't come out and restart the match. The ref Armstrong made a fast ass count. Glad Daniel Bryan won the belt but im sure he won't have it long.

Yeah I swore they were gonna restart it. Trips will definitely kick off raw focusing on that

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[Alphachino]

Im surprised HHH didn't come out and restart the match. The ref Armstrong made a fast ass count. Glad Daniel Bryan won the belt but im sure he won't have it long.

yeah thats what i said, that was a fast ass count. i was waiting to hear that guitar from hhh's music. but i'm happy to see d-bry get the title he deserves it.

Glad to see I'm not the only one confused by the shield holding onto the belts

 

[Simply Sickenin']

I just hope they don't strip Bryan of the title. And for God's sake, don't do it tomorrow. If you're going to screw him over again and give the title back to Orton, at least let him go down fighting and let him carry the title for another month.

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[Simply Sickenin']

These have nothing to do with the PPV but I thought they were funny as hell

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[ScottyPiffen745]

I'm really not looking forward to a Punk vs Ryback match

And I really thought they were going to put the title on Prime Time Players. Since the Shield is doing the whole Hounds of Triple H thing, they really don't need the titles right now. PTP could have definitely used the win and the titles more.

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I thought they were trying to paint them (Orton and the Shield) as a stable like the Corporation or Evolution and have them have all the belts to make them look like a strong stable.

And then I thought they could've brought in somebody like Wade Barrett or even Drew McIntyre (and get him out that stupid rock band gimmick) and have one of them be the IC champion and then incorporate him into the Orton/DB storyline.

 

[c_commander]

So Paul done scooped up a new swole nigga while Brock takin a break? Lol

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They should've brought in somebody new to save Heyman not Ryback who Heyman screwed over last year by paying the Shield to interfere on Punk's behalf.

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

They should've brought in somebody new to save Heyman not Ryback who Heyman screwed over last year by paying the Shield to interfere on Punk's behalf.

You know continuity and WWE don't mix

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

Yeah I swore they were gonna restart it. Trips will definitely kick off raw focusing on that

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not to mention he'll "fire" the referee for the whole fast-count thing,then make the rematch for Smackdown friday(at which time orton and the shield run in and cause bryan to lose,then out of nowhere damien sandow cashes in the MITB briefcase )

 

[chrislee]

They should've brought in somebody new to save Heyman not Ryback who Heyman screwed over last year by paying the Shield to interfere on Punk's behalf.

Not long ago I read that WWE had plans for a WWE face turn. I've never seen so many character turns in a matter of months. Ryback, Cody Rhodes, Del Rio, Bigshow, Ziggler, Prime Time Players, Orton, HHH, CM Punk, Mark Henry am I forgetting anyone.

Wonder how long before WWE brings in HBK to talk to HHH about doing the shady shit.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

I'm actually shocked that they didn't take the title off AJ and give it to one of the Total Divas stars.

Happy .... but surprised ​

watch stephanie do this tomorrow night on Raw..

Wonder how long before WWE brings in HBK to talk to HHH about doing the shady shit.

..just so there will be a "bait and switch" and reveal that shawn agrees w/ HHH

 

[Alphachino]

not to mention he'll "fire" the referee for the whole fast-count thing,then make the rematch for Smackdown friday(at which time orton and the shield run in and cause bryan to lose,then out of nowhere damien sandow cashes in the MITB briefcase )

He can't fam those are two different MITB briefcases he can only take Del Rio's

 

[Upgrade Dave]

They should've brought in somebody new to save Heyman not Ryback who Heyman screwed over last year by paying the Shield to interfere on Punk's behalf.

Remembering shit from last year is why Vince will never call you to be a writer.

I'm shocked Bryan won but it just didn't feel the same as when he beat Cena.

 

[c_commander]

Remembering shit from last year is why Vince will never call you to be a writer.

I'm shocked Bryan won but it just didn't feel the same as when he beat Cena.

Based on how Vince works his writers I'm fine with that. No need for logic or continuity when we can have bad comedy sketches and last minute rewrites.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

..now what if they REALLY swerve the audience by revealing that it was their intention all along to make DB the real"corporate champion"..? that would mean another boring face turn for orton

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

..now what if they REALLY swerve the audience by revealing that it was their intention all along to make DB the real"corporate champion"..? that would mean another boring face turn for orton

It wouldn't work because they literally just turned Orton heel and Bryan is the most over guy in the company and they'll need him to be the head Face while Cena is gone until RR.

 

[dirtyd]

I completely forgot there was a ppv last night, between the Mayweather fight (Good) and the Cowboys loss (Bad) and the Bama vs A&M game that ppv was the last thing on my mind.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

why dusty rhodes sound like he giving a sermon in church