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Why Daenerys should not be glorified

It is understandable why Dany is a fan favorite - she has a lot of potential to be a great, powerful, and interesting character. But there are aspects of her, and the choices that she makes, that should not be ignored or pushed to the wayside in order to contribute to this popular “badass” conception of her. Glorifying her is damaging and, in effect, misses the point, as she often serves in the books as a representation of white savior imperialism - a fact that must be acknowledged in order to adequately discuss her character.

[Disclaimer: I would ordinarily never make a post like this because I don’t want to be an asshole, but I think this is an important thing to talk about, and I’m tired of getting an ask a day about it]

This post only deals with the events of the third book/season

At the beginning of the series, Dany subverts conceptions of femininity and female strength, and presents a different picture of power. She takes control of her shitty situation and, by herself, finds new ways to cope, which I really loved. I still think that she’s a very interesting picture of female power in the first two books, and although I don’t necessarily agree with the way that she always conducts herself - she seems to have a penchant for ignoring anything that is told to her and just doing what she wants, regardless of her youth and inexperience - I was very invested in her. It wasn’t until the third book, when that rapidly began to change.

As she runs through Astapor, and the various other cities outside of Westeros, she sets to killing massive parts of the population, the “masters,” and consequently “freeing” the slaves. These actions are not badass, they are not desired, and they should not be glorified. In historical terms, they really only paint her as one thing, a representation of the white savior complex, or imperialism - the idea that the ‘superior race’ can go around doing whatever they please wherever they please, freeing people from their slavery and making themselves into some kind of deity.

Let’s focus on Astapor. Dany knows nothing about the culture of this city, she is a stranger and an outsider who is looking to buy an army. She projects her own conceptions of what is right and wrong onto the population, deciding that this one slave trader is a representation for the entire city, and that it is her right to do something about it. She does her whole “a dragon is not a slave” business and sends the unsullied out into the streets, to kill everyone except for children, because that is SOMEHOW OK AND TOTALLY WITHIN HER RIGHTS and then frees the slaves, and the unsullied, from their bondage. Reality check : the unsullied might be “free” in Dany’s mind, but they did not make a conscious decision to go with her. So much of their humanity has been leeched from them already, that they go with her because she has the whip, because they are meant to, because that is the only place for them to go (newsflash, their city was destroyed due to a stormborn and her dragons, it’s not like they have anything else to do). The people in the city go with her for similar reasons - city still destroyed - but also because she has become a deity, a beacon of hope, because surprise! SHE HAS DRAGONS. Of course they follow her, without any actual conception of what is happening or where she is taking them, because she is mystical and, in effect, some kind of god. So, in recap, Dany makes the executive decision that the people of this culture (which she knows nothing about) should be free - which is, of course, not really her call - and then asks them to follow her into the desert where they can subsequently half starve to death, while she’s concocting some half assed plan to take back westeros. She can be the mother of dragons all she wants to, but now that she’s dragged entire races after her in some feeble attempt to create a “people” (which more or less is meant to function as an ill organized army that stands outside city gates), she has a responsibility over them that she does not uphold. She doesn’t know how to take care of these slaves that she has supposedly freed. She considers herself a savior, sent down divinely from House Targaeryn to save these people from their dreary lives - but for what? To be her army? To have their culture destroyed and laid to waste?

And here’s why I call this white savior imperialism, over all other terms. Westeros, in general (other than Dorne), is a white dominated place, and therefore the people of that kingdom are privileged over the cities outside of Westeros, which have more diversity (free cities, Volantis, Braavos, Astapor, etc). Ergo, Dany is a) white and b) privileged due to her heritage (not to mention that she comes from a famous, old family that embodies colonialism itself - let me come in here with my superior weapons and destroy your cities and force you into submission). I want to make it clear that I’m not saying this is an exact comparison to actual imperialism, as it is not and race relations work differently in westeros, but it is a representation of something that has actually occurred in history. So when she goes to Astapor and decides that she is going to “free” the people from their “oppressors,” she’s using the language of the white savior complex or, in other terms, ‘the white man’s burden.’ She thinks it is not only her duty, but her right, to come into this culture that she knows nothing about and free the people from their lives, which seem barbaric to her. Sound familiar? Sound like every instance of imperialism ever? All she really needs is a religion to indoctrinate everyone in, and she’ll be a literal embodiment of Britain in the nineteenth century - oh wait! Mysha! There’s a deity being worshipped if I ever saw one.

But even past all of the historical implications of her storyline, I truly believe that she would be a terrible ruler of westeros. She’s exactly like the other Targaryens - ready to lay waste to the land in any means necessary in order to take back what is ‘rightfully hers.’ Where does this sense of entitlement come from? The Targaryens took Westeros (with fyre and blood), the same way that Robert did in the rebellion, so I see no difference in their claims. Dany, unlike literally everyone else who is vying for the throne, has never lived in Westeros. She has no concept of the culture, the people, the land - anything. All she has is half baked stories from her brother, and a vague conception from what Jorah told her. The only viable reason that she wants to return is because she believes it is somehow owed to her. She brays on and on about being special and I WILL TAKE WHAT IS MINE but hey that’s not what I want in a ruler ever???? How does that make someone qualified to run a kingdom? Why would you want a queen who invades the land, burns down half off the kingdom, and forces herself onto the throne??

It upsets me, because I really do think she has so much potential to be a strong, interesting, great female character - but she consistently falls short of that. If she was just conscious of what she was doing - that she was parading around with a white savior complex, that she was destroying cities for her own gain, NOT for their well being - than I could really, really love her. All I want is that recognition, that understanding that she is destructive, an acceptance that what she is doing is not necessarily for the common good, but for herself and her own concept of entitlement. Instead, we’re given a bratty girl who won’t listen to anyone’s advice and runs straight forward into things because she thinks they are owed to her. She ignores negative descriptions of her family, and demands allegiance. I WILL TAKE WHAT IS MINE isn’t a feminist anthem, it’s the declaration of a girl in a privileged position, who is doing all the wrong things with that privilege. Which is why I so ardently hate when people glorify her and act like she’s some “badass” warrior princess, when really she’s doing a great job of embodying white savior imperialism.

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Yeah it was pretty obvious.

I know one thing Theon is no Kunta Kinte because all it took was two weak ass punches and that nigga gave up his name quick as hell:lol:

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The reenactment of Roots scene had me dying...Tywin don't get faded for shit...the king insults him so he sends him to bed before supper :lol: Dany's Harriet Tubman storyline is getting ehh...if/when that war of the 7 kingdoms vs the white walkers go down that shit is gonna be epic...they might need a whole season to focus on that...that's not a spoiler btw...I haven't read the books and as far as I know the war hasn't happened yet
 
Good questions...I also wonder how Jaime will view them now that he's been humbled + his experiences w/ Brienne

I was pissed that they didn't show more of the Cercei and Jamie reunion.

Actually I wanted to see Cercei and Tywin's reactions before this season was over.

I wonder if Cercei will see him the same now that he's not the Jamie she knew before.

Same with Tywin. He isn't the comforting type and only see's things in terms of power and legacy. With that in mind I wonder how he'll view Jamie now since Jamies strength was more in his fighting prowess and not mind.
 
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The reenactment of Roots scene had me dying...Tywin don't get faded for shit...the king insults him so he sends him to bed before supper :lol: Dany's Harriet Tubman storyline is getting ehh...if/when that war of the 7 kingdoms vs the white walkers go down that shit is gonna be epic...they might need a whole season to focus on that...that's not a spoiler btw...I haven't read the books and as far as I know the war hasn't happened yet

Not only sending him to bed before supper but making Grand Maester Pycell "tuck him in" with some essence of night shade.:lol::lol:
 
Good questions...I also wonder how Jaime will view them now that he's been humbled + his experiences w/ Brienne

Yeah I think Brienne and his experiences have changed him a great deal. I don't see him being anything like the Jamie they knew before which I don't think either will accept.
 
Haha, yeah Joffrey insults Tywin and Tywin gives him a emotionally detached look and tells him to go to bed. And Joffrey went to bed too :lol:


Mind you it was still during the middle of the day :lol::lol::lol:
 
Yeah on the low Tywin has become my favorite character. In real life I'd hates someone like him but duke is so cold, ruthless, and intelligent that you can't help but to like and respect him.

I like Stannis + Littlefinger's characters...wish the show had more scenes w/ them
 
dragon bitch annoys me more than the lil fag incest born king, her story is weak and predictable, i hope bran takes control of her dragons wit them powers and make them burn that bitch alive
 
Haha, yeah Joffrey insults Tywin and Tywin gives him a emotionally detached look and tells him to go to bed. And Joffrey went to bed too :lol:


Mind you it was still during the middle of the day :lol::lol::lol:

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That shit was :frozen:

I like Stannis + Littlefinger's characters...wish the show had more scenes w/ them

Yeah especially Littlefinger. He was barely around this seaon:smh:

And he had one of the best scenes this season, if not the best, with his speech to Varys in "The Climb" episode.
 
tyrion - when have you ever done anything for the family name that inconvenienced you?

tywin - allowing you to live
 
Not only sending him to bed before supper but making Grand Maester Pycell "tuck him in" with some essence of night shade.:lol::lol:

:lol:

I'm guessing that's the equivalent of rubbing brandy on a crying baby's gums to knock his lil ass out :lol:
 
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

That shit was :frozen:



Yeah especially Littlefinger. He was barely around this seaon:smh:

And he had one of the best scenes this season, if not the best, with his speech to Varys in "The Climb" episode.


With the way RR Martin is taking so long to release the 6th book the creators of the show are going to have to stretch the series out some.


You should see littlerfinger more next season :hellyea:
 
:lol::lol: Or a warm cup of milk

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i'm serious. people looking to be offended over shit they won't remember/care about by next week, much less next season = a massive :yawn:

That's why I took my little hiatus from BGOL/internet...it's easy avoiding idiots in real life...but now that they have more/easier access online it's like you have to suffer their thoughts on a daily basis :lol:

I was a bit letdown by the GreyRobb scene...I expected it to be more gruesome visually
 
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This picture here is like a regular day on bgol ^


That ending was a lil cheesy lets keep it real , I know you nerds love this show with a passion

White woman savior gonna save us all, bitch is the ancient Oscar Schindler
 
dragon bitch annoys me more than the lil fag incest born king, her story is weak and predictable, i hope bran takes control of her dragons wit them powers and make them burn that bitch alive



c/s


:smh::smh::smh:


'Game of Thrones' team on series future: 'There is a ticking clock' -- EXCLUSIVE: http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/06/09/game-of-thrones-future/

I've always thought,they should split books 4 and 5 or have 2-4 seasons for them,since the story line happen at the same time...it would make alot of sense if you ask me
 
I was a bit letdown by the GreyRobb scene...I expected it to be more gruesome visually

I was the exact opposite.

That was one of the spoilers I fucked around and ran into accidentally one day and since then I was wondering how/and would they really show it. I thought it would be over the top extra which I thought might be too much.'

I think the way they portrayed it was a compromise between people like me who haven't read the books and those who have.

Those who have wanted to see that shit and probably wanted it more gruesome like you. Those who haven't may have thought it a little much especially after the shock of the Red Wedding. I think they went down the middle with it to appease both.
 
I thought that too until I read this:



:confused::confused::confused:


Well this has been a looming problem since the shows inception. Martin takes way too long to write the books and the series just might out pace the novels. Season 4 will be interesting because like the article said book 4 is the weakest of the series. However I feel the creators of the show will make due and create a good product.


Since books 4 and 5 occur at the same time it will be interesting to see how many more seasons there will be before no more written material is left to create a tv series. If they start to wing it at least no one can cry about book readers dropping spoilers :lol:
 
Those who have wanted to see that shit and probably wanted it more gruesome like you. Those who haven't may have thought it a little much especially after the shock of the Red Wedding. I think they went down the middle with it to appease both.

That's true...I rewatched that scene like 3 times tho
 
Well this has been a looming problem since the shows inception. Martin takes way too long to write the books and the series just might out pace the novels. Season 4 will be interesting because like the article said book 4 is the weakest of the series. However I feel the creators of the show will make due and create a good product.


Since books 4 and 5 occur at the same time it will be interesting to see how many more seasons there will be before no more written material is left to create a tv series. If they start to wing it at least no one can cry about book readers dropping spoilers :lol:

Yeah I heard about it when the show first started but having not read the books and not being familiar with Martin I had no idea how long duke took to write his books.

Being this close to his new books with his history is a little concerning.

One thing that may be beneficial is maybe the TV producers and writers can have some influence and say in his books so that they will not only be good books but maybe even better for television. There influence may pull him in directions he may not have been thinking about which I think could be a good thing.

That's true...I rewatched that scene like 3 times tho

Yeah me too. That shit was so shocking I couldn't stop rewinding it:lol:
 
Seeing the spoiler G.O.T. thread on the front page as the same time as this makes me wonder something: Do the people who've already read the books go into that thread and laugh at the predictions some of us who haven't read the books make in this thread?:lol:
 
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Since books 4 and 5 occur at the same time it will be interesting to see how many more seasons there will be before no more written material is left to create a tv series. If they start to wing it at least no one can cry about book readers dropping spoilers :lol:


Word. They have gone far, and if it's supposed to be 10 seasons?

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Word. They have gone far, and if it's supposed to be 10 seasons?

:confused::(

That 10 season prediction seems like bullshit now after reading that article.

If they're going to potentially combine books 4 and 5 into one season and if the 6th book isn't even finished yet I don't see them pulling 10 seasons off. I think six or seven is probably the likeliest bet.
 
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