Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Jon thought it was one way, but ygritte showed him that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned

Not at all.

Yeah no doubt but he doesn't see it that way it appears. He seems to see Theon's ability to survive and thrive with the Starks as a betrayal and insult to him and their ways. He definitely has know one to blame but himself.

Totally agree on Shae I thought that shit would last a couple of weeks maybe and then she would come to her senses but she's just getting annoying now. She should either accept that she can have a life in the shadows with Tyrion as his mistress or she needs to move the fuck on. The little side eye temper tantrum power play shit is just getting old now.

As far as Daenarys dying........................

Shae pissed me off here too. I was impressed with Varis. He keeps showing more and more what he is. What he cares about and what his focus is. He's not heartless. Not ruthless without need.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

i was wondering that too.

This episode was just bad, just skipping from random scene to scene, especiallybwith Davos, anyone notice Robert's bastard always had his goatee neat even while in a dungeon?

I don't think it was bad its just frustrating because we have to wait a whole year for them to answer all the questions we are asking in here (which I'm sure most will be addressed in the first couple episodes next season)

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

lol Robert's bastard was quick with the quips this episode.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Not at all.



Shae pissed me off here too. I was impressed with Varis. He keeps showing more and more what he is. What he cares about and what his focus is. He's not heartless. Not ruthless without need.

Yeah Shae was ride or die at first it seemed but now she's just a hindrance since she can't get with the program.

Varys was wise to try to get rid of her but she just couldn't see it. She should have accepted those diamonds or made the decision to accept what is going on. She chose to do neither and now she, Tyrion, and maybe Sansa may suffer for it in the long run.

Varys and Little finger are like the angel and devil sitting on the shoulder of the realm. Very similar and powerful but both have two completely different beliefs, morals, and motivations.

 

[Simply Sickenin']

Exactly which is why they didn't show it.
They know exactly how to string us along and keep us feigning for more

The problem I see them running into with this method is that they'll try to start season 4 off right where season 3 ended. I was kinda hoping that there would be a jump in time before season 4 and we would come in right when the white walkers FINALLY decide to get back into the picture.

I think that jumping in time would have been beneficial to the story since they could have skipped a lot of the fuller stuff
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• Daenerys still walking around looking for cities, slaves, and ship ---- since that's all she really did for the last two seasons.
• Stannis and Onion knight dude trying to rebuild the fleet ---- since that's what they did for most of last season.
• Bran walking .... being carried North ---- since that's ALL he did this season.
• Jumping in time would help to explain the growth of the remaining Stark children. I mention it before, but Bran who is supposed to be like 8, looks like his damn near 16 right now. The actress who plays Ayra's probably isn't too far behind him either. They're going to need to start explaining just how long it has been since Robert first rode for Winterfell.

Not showing us the full Lannister reunion this season basically means that next season will pick up from the same place, and we'll have to sit through all that stuff (AGAIN) before we can finally get to the White Walker storyline.

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[Simply Sickenin']

Yeah Shae was ride or die at first it seemed but now she's just a hindrance since she can't get with the program.

Varys was wise to try to get rid of her but she just couldn't see it. She should have accepted those diamonds or made the decision to accept what is going on. She chose to do neither and now she, Tyrion, and maybe Sansa may suffer for it in the long run.

Varys and Little finger are like the angel and devil sitting on the shoulder of the realm. Very similar and powerful but both have two completely different beliefs, morals, and motivations.

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[dj_excell]

Can someone explain to me why Bran wants to go north of the wall?

 

[ladyscorpio]

that iron born chick look like she'd break you....

http://25.media.tumblr.com/9e926f3552135eb2c61644c2e799ef4d/tumblr_mo5nleFrW11s72ffzo1_500.gif

I couldn't be more pissed right now that they didn't show the Jaime/Tywin reunion.
That's the one thing I wanted to see more than anything with this finale.


Ok, I clearly spoke too soon .... ARYA CATCHING BODIES NOW !!!!!!!!!!!
Valar Morghulis bitches !!!!!!!

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Seemed very lack lustre for a season finale.
Most interesting part was Arya Hound "let" her take his knife...
I was also hoping to see Briennes reaction...
I get them trying to not take from last episode but cmon really??...and the last scene....

 

[HAR125LEM]

Jon thought it was one way, but ygritte showed him that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned

That was my favorite scene of the finale because I was waiting for Ygritte to go Bitch Mode on Jon's ASS!!!

Ygritte is my Bitch!

Fucking Idiot.
She warned him...

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

I don't think it was bad its just frustrating because we have to wait a whole year for them to answer all the questions we are asking in here (which I'm sure most will be addressed in the first couple episodes next season)

Of course the episode was bad...The Shae story is redundant,Jon's storyline isnt all that good,Daenarys storyline is worst than Jon's,etc,etc..

I would love for them go into Bran's storyline more but that wont happen,because people are on the Daenarys bandwagon...

This is the worst episode of the season.....As much I hate last season,atleast the finale was good ....

 

[godofwine]

That is a real valid point. What other main characters on the show are black? If I remember correctly there has only been two. The pirate, and the Con artiest that tried to play Khaleesi "The mother of dragons".

It's written by White people, what do you expect? People usually feel comfortable writing about the people they see and when they write about people they don't see they guesstimate...and it is often off target.

But honestly, it is normal to praise the person who freed you. That is why Khalisi will be the victor I am guessing because she is followed by freed people, people she freed and therefore they will follow her through hellfire.

Honestly this is how they White people of back in the day felt we should feel about them saving us from hell in Africa. Freeing us. We should have been thankful. Yeah, I know. Totally different thing, but the whole freeing slaves touched on something real quick.

The problem comes, what do you do with the people once you freed them? How do you feed them all, house them all? You just can't scatter them out in the wind like pieces of burnt paper.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Yeah Shae was ride or die at first it seemed but now she's just a hindrance since she can't get with the program.

Varys was wise to try to get rid of her but she just couldn't see it. She should have accepted those diamonds or made the decision to accept what is going on. She chose to do neither and now she, Tyrion, and maybe Sansa may suffer for it in the long run.

Varys and Little finger are like the angel and devil sitting on the shoulder of the realm. Very similar and powerful but both have two completely different beliefs, morals, and motivations.

Best Angel and Devil was Melysandre and Davos to the left and right of Stannis Varys to me has real compassion. I didn't see him as ugh this bitch get out of here. He knows she really does love Tyrion. But like you said up top. "A woman scorned". Shae is that. Not intentionally. But hell the shit sitll hurts. And she chose to think of it like Varys just wouldn't be nice to me, nah. Tyrion set this muthafucka out here to say this. Fuckin Coward! And got all mad.

I'm mad she got mad. Shit he gave you enough money to be RICH in esteros. lol

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

The problem I see them running into with this method is that they'll try to start season 4 off right where season 3 ended. I was kinda hoping that there would be a jump in time before season 4 and we would come in right when the white walkers FINALLY decide to get back into the picture.

I think that jumping in time would have been beneficial to the story since they could have skipped a lot of the fuller stuff
​

• Daenerys still walking around looking for cities, slaves, and ship ---- since that's all she really did for the last two seasons.
• Stannis and Onion knight dude trying to rebuild the fleet ---- since that's what they did for most of last season.
• Bran walking .... being carried North ---- since that's ALL he did this season.
• Jumping in time would help to explain the growth of the remaining Stark children. I mention it before, but Bran who is supposed to be like 8, looks like his damn near 16 right now. The actress who plays Ayra's probably isn't too far behind him either. They're going to need to start explaining just how long it has been since Robert first rode for Winterfell.

Not showing us the full Lannister reunion this season basically means that next season will pick up from the same place, and we'll have to sit through all that stuff (AGAIN) before we can finally get to the White Walker storyline.

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There was no way they were going to jump ahead anyway from what I understand.

This season was based on one half of the third book according to people who've read the books.

Next season will be the other half of that book so there was never going to be much of a jump just a set up for next season.

Of course the episode was bad...The Shae story is redundant,Jon's storyline isnt all that good,Daenarys storyline is worst than Jon's,etc,etc..

I would love for them go into Bran's storyline more but that wont happen,because people are on the Daenarys bandwagon...

This is the worst episode of the season.....As much I hate last season,atleast the finale was good ....

Not the best finale I agree but I don't see it as a "bad" episode IMO, just very plain in comparison to others, especially after having the red wedding last week. Nothing was going to come close to that.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Best Angel and Devil was Melysandre and Davos to the left and right of Stannis Varys to me has real compassion. I didn't see him as ugh this bitch get out of here. He knows she really does love Tyrion. But like you said up top. "A woman scorned". Shae is that. Not intentionally. But hell the shit sitll hurts. And she chose to think of it like Varys just wouldn't be nice to me, nah. Tyrion set this muthafucka out here to say this. Fuckin Coward! And got all mad.

I'm mad she got mad. Shit he gave you enough money to be RICH in esteros. lol

No doubt.

Varys almost made it worse by intervening because now she'll be even more angry at Tyrion.

I forgot another funny part was when Tyrion's squire was running to tell him his father was having a meeting and how the women were reacting to him when he was running down the steps.

They started giggling and pointing saying "its him" Young boy must have laid something serious on those prostitutes.

 

[actinanass]

Of course the episode was bad...The Shae story is redundant,Jon's storyline isnt all that good,Daenarys storyline is worst than Jon's,etc,etc..

I would love for them go into Bran's storyline more but that wont happen,because people are on the Daenarys bandwagon...

This is the worst episode of the season.....As much I hate last season,atleast the finale was good ....

one day, you will watch this episode again, and slap yourself on the forehead.

There's a lot of things going on that's going to play into the grand scheme of things in the long run.

I'm not even spoiling it, but if you think about all the episodes we have watched, it all lead up to a big event that changes the dynamic of the whole watching experience.

Not every episode is going to be gift wrapped for you. Just be patient, and ride the wave of storytelling.

 

[godofwine]

I want a "Arya and The Hound" Spin off lol. That chile VEX him so!

Arya is a beast (3-5 years from now there are going to be a gang of Arya's in kindergartens everywhere). They saw her walk up like, "She's no threat. Then, BOOM!

"THe Hound said, "Where did you get the knife?"

"I took it from you....here" and hands him back the bloody blade.

Arya straight shanked dude

looks like arya is on her way to bravos.

She has been my favorite character. From when she threatened Joffrey in season 1. Something about her then said she had stones. Didn't think she'd outlive Robb, but I just started on book 2.

Too bad we gotta wait a whole other year from this shit.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

one day, you will watch this episode again, and slap yourself on the forehead.

There's a lot of things going on that's going to play into the grand scheme of things in the long run.

I'm not even spoiling it, but if you think about all the episodes we have watched, it all lead up to a big event that changes the dynamic of the whole watching experience.

Not every episode is going to be gift wrapped for you. Just be patient, and ride the wave of storytelling.

I think he knows.

Im pretty sure he's read all the books

 

[shanebp1978]

that iron born chick look like she'd break you....

http://25.media.tumblr.com/bacb475e4b37dbc32a46364810fe5677/tumblr_mo5scaoV9O1su2fpwo1_500.gif

 

[code_pirahna]

Yeah Shae was ride or die at first it seemed but now she's just a hindrance since she can't get with the program.

Varys was wise to try to get rid of her but she just couldn't see it. She should have accepted those diamonds or made the decision to accept what is going on. She chose to do neither and now she, Tyrion, and maybe Sansa may suffer for it in the long run.

Varys and Little finger are like the angel and devil sitting on the shoulder of the realm. Very similar and powerful but both have two completely different beliefs, morals, and motivations.

Yo....Varys tried to give her a nice situation......

she couldn t see it....

and Varys saw how Tyrion held ish down when the kingdom was at its worst.....

oh well.....

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Can someone explain to me why Bran wants to go north of the wall?

To meet the three-eyed crow....

The problem I see them running into with this method is that they'll try to start season 4 off right where season 3 ended. I was kinda hoping that there would be a jump in time before season 4 and we would come in right when the white walkers FINALLY decide to get back into the picture.

I think that jumping in time would have been beneficial to the story since they could have skipped a lot of the fuller stuff
​

• Daenerys still walking around looking for cities, slaves, and ship ---- since that's all she really did for the last two seasons.
• Stannis and Onion knight dude trying to rebuild the fleet ---- since that's what they did for most of last season.
• Bran walking .... being carried North ---- since that's ALL he did this season.
• Jumping in time would help to explain the growth of the remaining Stark children. I mention it before, but Bran who is supposed to be like 8, looks like his damn near 16 right now. The actress who plays Ayra's probably isn't too far behind him either. They're going to need to start explaining just how long it has been since Robert first rode for Winterfell.

Not showing us the full Lannister reunion this season basically means that next season will pick up from the same place, and we'll have to sit through all that stuff (AGAIN) before we can finally get to the White Walker storyline.

​

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You know how I felt,when I listened to the books,last year...For whatever reason,people think being in the same city for the majority of the fucking series makes a great story....Daenarys has the worst storyline in the books and TV show...


Its almost like,since she's the most popular character on the show,they feel they dont have to make her storyline any good....

I kinda agree,with you Bran but they needed to split up,him and Rickon first,in order to do that...

I think they're going to time skip alittle for Stannis

Not the best finale I agree but I don't see it as a "bad" episode IMO, just very plain in comparison to others, especially after having the red wedding last week. Nothing was going to come close to that.

I wasn't expecting this episode to top last week's but atleast make it good.....

I didnt like the majority of the episodes,last season but the season finale was good,but somehow they have the best season and they cant make a decent finale...

 

[Joe Money]

Damn..Ne and wifey gotta go do a season 1, 2 and 3 marathon one of these days to go back and catch some shit to connect all the dots, It's amazing how much much detail is in this show

Just started re-watching from episode 1 on HBOGO. Shit makes so much more sense now it's crazy.

Yeah, I'm re-watching as well. I overlooked so many details when I first watched it. Jaime Lannister mentioned "Thoros of Myr and his burning sword" once in a conversation with Ned Stark's bodyguard, and then Throros becomes a major character in the third season. Shit like that. Hell, I didn't even notice that Ned Stark began doubting Joffrey's paternity after his argument with Sansa.

That whole ending scene reeked of "white savior" to me

She looked extra white surrounded by all those people...some very low key psychological bullshit there

I first noticed this with the Unsullied, but it's even more blatant now. I've read that Martin's depictions of people of color are problematic in all of his books. Worse than Tolkein in some ways. The comments here discuss it to some extent: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/77108837.html?thread=13699671141

I'm sure in his younger days Tywin must have had some skill but his strength is mental and strategy....
Yeah on the low Tywin has become my favorite character. In real life I'd hates someone like him but duke is so cold, ruthless, and intelligent that you can't help but to like and respect him.

Tywin in this series is like Marlo in The Wire. It's all about establishing and maintaining a name. Although Tywin is interested in a dynasty.

 

[dj_excell]

*Edit* Double post

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Yo....Varys tried to give her a nice situation......

she couldn t see it....

and Varys saw how Tyrion held ish down when the kingdom was at its worst.....

oh well.....

Considering the show we're watching their will be major ramifications for her not taking that shit I'm betting

 

[Gemini]

Jon thought it was one way, but ygritte showed him that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned

That was a good scene. The actress playing ygritte is good.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Arya is a beast (3-5 years from now there are going to be a gang of Arya's in kindergartens everywhere). They saw her walk up like, "She's no threat. Then, BOOM!

"THe Hound said, "Where did you get the knife?"

"I took it from you....here" and hands him back the bloody blade.





She has been my favorite character. From when she threatened Joffrey in season 1. Something about her then said she had stones. Didn't think she'd outlive Robb, but I just started on book 2.

Too bad we gotta wait a whole other year from this shit.

Daps and hi5's. Total agreement.

 

[geist]

They're just kinda milking the story now. They have to save the good plot points for next season. It was a good setup for next season.

Without spoiling anything things to look out for:

Tyrion telling Joff, "you shouldn't fuck with monsters", though they set up Tywin and Cersei's dislike of Joff.

Davos reading Eamon's letter. Where they gonna go now?

Arya fucking with that coin again. Valar morgulis, motherfuckas.

Jon's back with his boys, but the wildlings are coming.

They showed what they did to Robb's body, but they didn't show what happend with cat's body.

Blackfish did get away.

I hope some of y'all pick up the books over the summer. It's going to be a long wait until January.

 

[smokedacane]

Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_excell
Can someone explain to me why Bran wants to go north of the wall?

To find the 3 eyed crow that comes to him in his dreams. The three eyed crow is behind the wall.

 

[Gemini]

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

I wasn't expecting this episode to top last week's but atleast make it good.....

I didnt like the majority of the episodes,last season but the season finale was good,but somehow they have the best season and they cant make a decent finale...

I feel you, it just wasn't that bad to me. Ending it with Daenaerys was the only thing that really fucked with me. Last year the ended it with the white walkers so for her to be crowd surfing at the end of the episode was weak to me. Other than that I thought it was alright and a decent set up for next year.

Yeah, I'm re-watching as well. I overlooked so many details when I first watched it. Jaime Lannister mentioned "Thoros of Myr and his burning sword" once in a conversation with Ned Stark's bodyguard, and then Throros becomes a major character in the third season. Shit like that. Hell, I didn't even notice that Ned Stark began doubting Joffrey's paternity after his argument with Sansa.



I first noticed this with the Unsullied, but it's even more blatant now. I've read that Martin's depictions of people of color are problematic in all of his books. Worse than Tolkein in some ways. The comments here discuss it to some extent: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/77108837.html?thread=13699671141




Tywin in this series is like Marlo in The Wire. It's all about establishing and maintaining a name. Although Tywin is interested in a dynasty.

I'm going to rewatch the first and second season at some point. Your right after you gain an understanding of characters and situations you realize there is so much that went over your head when you first started watching.

Yeah sort of like Marlo except Tywin does nothing it seems without reason. If you fuck with him or his he will destroy you but there always seems to be a reason behind it.

Marlo was just a straight bully.

 

[dj_excell]

To meet the three-eyed crow....

To find the 3 eyed crow that comes to him in his dreams. The three eyed crow is behind the wall.

What???? I thought Bran was the three-eyed crow??

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

That was a good scene. The actress playing ygritte is good.

I think he wifed her in real life too.

To find the 3 eyed crow that comes to him in his dreams. The three eyed crow is behind the wall.

What is the significance of the crow though, what does him going to the crow do? ( Don't answer if the answer is a spoiler, I haven't read any of the books yet )

 

[Count23]

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"what was this white savior shit"
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"The ending of “Mhysa” brought me to tears. That said, I can certainly see where a white savior figure crowd surfing on a sea of brown bodies would be problematic and I’m kind of surprised they went there. They could have had a similar scene with the same emotional impact that didn’t go there, so it’s kind of sad that they felt the need to do it, anyway. Still, it was nice to end a season of such brutal, gut-wrenching loss on a hopeful note, and with a callback to the ending of season one, and the character progression of Daenerys."
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"It’s hard to defend the white savior accusations after an ending like that. Now don’t get me wrong. I am glad there was liberation. I just tire of seeing people of color in subservient roles in a narrative that I love."

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"Daenerys makes me feel so conflicted because on the one hand like she kicks so much ass but on the other why’d she have to be a white savior like that imagery was umm a little heavy handed and I can just see George R R Martin jasming over that but like aren’t there ever white slaves in fantasy lands? Couldn’t she have done it without being so fucking Aryan? I liked when that witch woman got her revenge and was like lol what did you save me from in the first season. That really humbled Dani in my opinion. But now Dani is just perfect white savior and she’s got all these people of color chanting mother around her and petting her. A little overdone perhaps? Ick."
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"Fuck Daenerys and her white saviour bullshit."


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"I mean it was a good episode overall, but not what a finale should be. Just because you have an amazing 9th episode doesn’t mean you don’t go all out for #10.
Also - the whole last scene with Dany just pissed me off not sry2say. CAn’t wait for the uproar and 50,000 word text posts analyzing the racism there. #notdenyingit"


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"And, I have to say, I I could have done without the crowd surfing white savior bit at the end. Really distasteful, especially since 90% of those actors were poc.
In the book she’s just walking through the procession and they start calling her mysha; nobody fucking lifts her up and gives her a piggyback ride."

i'm so bored with the human race

 

[Joe Money]

...

I hope some of y'all pick up the books over the summer. It's going to be a long wait until January.

January, or March?

 

[smokedacane]

I think he wifed her in real life too.



What is the significance of the crow though, what does him going to the crow do? ( Don't answer if the answer is a spoiler, I haven't read any of the books yet )

Yeah, it's a spoiler


You will find out in the coming seasons as Bran storyline grows and you get a better understanding of his role in all of this.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

one day, you will watch this episode again, and slap yourself on the forehead.

There's a lot of things going on that's going to play into the grand scheme of things in the long run.

I'm not even spoiling it, but if you think about all the episodes we have watched, it all lead up to a big event that changes the dynamic of the whole watching experience.

Not every episode is going to be gift wrapped for you. Just be patient, and ride the wave of storytelling.

What's so dynamic about a woman getting mad at a guy that she loves,knowing he has no power and his father will kill you,if someone know your secret......If Shae really loves Tyrion,she should of atleast understand the situation,his father put him in,instead of getting all mad for no reason....

What's so dynamic about about a woman who goes to a new city freeing slaves .....If you're going to tell me,she's building up her army then fine,but I see nothing dynamic about it...

What's so dynamic about a guy who did a poor job doing undercover work...


Bran and Arya should get more screen time but it will never happen,Jon and Daenarys are fan favorites....


Am I the only person who smiled seeing Sansa crying,I have no sympathy for that bitch....She betrayed her father and she deserves everything she's getting....