I think with that description I made a correct choice in not tuning in.Estrogen filled shows are just not my cup of tea.
How 'Scandal's' Shonda Rhimes Became Disney's Primetime Savior
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I think with that description I made a correct choice in not tuning in.Estrogen filled shows are just not my cup of tea.
sooo lets trade a world with a powerful black woman in it for a world full of powerful white men (who are just as morally bankrupt but thats not an issue for you
)..those are the choices huh..wow.
I think with that description I made a correct choice in not tuning in.Estrogen filled shows are just not my cup of tea.
what did you expect from a show written by a woman?
Been watching the last 6 episodes. They say season one was much better...
Oh and the guy playing the POTUS is a Goldwyn....as in the grandson of THE "Metro Goldwyn Mayer" aka MGM Studios. A Jewish producer is her lead actor with old money... that helps.
Also, Liv dumped that cracka in the end when she found out what he did to his VP. He went right back to his cracka ass wife.
Oh and the guy playing the POTUS is a Goldwyn....as in the grandson of THE "Metro Goldwyn Mayer" aka MGM Studios. A Jewish producer is her lead actor with old money... that helps.
Also, Liv dumped that cracka in the end when she found out what he did to his VP. He went right back to his cracka ass wife.
Every woman is programmed. But not the guys who want to fuck white women. Then when it comes to white women, it's "Pussy is pussy".
You boys are epic. lol love it.
I find it informative you lead with calling her fat. Single. Black. Hmph. All negatives to you i presume. I find it informative you blame her and use her 2 children as a negative without knowing her life. Out of wedlock. Without knowing her beliefs. She got baby daddies and you know nothing about this woman.
Ratchet logic is not what the show deals with. It deals with problems that seem insurmountable but you have a black woman taking the lead and figuring out those problems. You guys call her a negro bed wench. But when it's a black man with white women... it's a different story.
you can't see the forest for the trees - you missed the point - Scandal's writing can't hold a candle to any of the material I listed. Scandal's quality is very much wanting... network TV has been badly watered down due to reality programming - now all of the quality writing is only displayed on cable.sooo lets trade a world with a powerful black woman in it for a world full of powerful white men (who are just as morally bankrupt but thats not an issue for you
wow.
As for my moral problem with Scandal- in none of the works I listed does the audience watch any of the morally bankrupt behavior and glorify the characters because of it.
But Scandal watchers glorify this morally retarded female - in ABC especially there is a consistent theme excusing female accountability for poor choices, it is the consistent underpinning and secret of the success of Desperate Housewives, Greys, and Private Practice and now Scandal- shit is just marginally better than victim tv (Lifetime)
-its the continued social programming of women:
to increase personal consumption and materialism
to wash over the guilt of not spending enough time with children because of "career"
to keep the fantasy that women can have it all - without paying a price in one area or the other...
in general to over look the social and personal problems created by women rushing into the work force 2 generations ago.
Props to Kerry W - she pulled a Denzel W on this show, the show and character arc remains the same regardless of her race, because Scandal isn't intrinsically about race -its about women - written by a lonely but successful female
Fatality.
You're inaccurate. The character makes very hard moral decisions each episode seems like. She saved all the people she worked with. Where's the lacking of morality there? She found a deranged mentally disturbed homeless man a purpose. She found a woman who was being beaten by her husband and saved her from that situation as well. Jefferson(Flutter) she kept him from prison. She could've had the president anytime she wanted. And instead kept herself from him on many occasions. She kept herself from attaining love because of a moral decision that was for the BEST of all. You're totally missing the real issue of the show. But instead you want to attack a black woman.
That stuffs just weird man. The character shows a moral struggle every episode and has dealt with the consequences just like everyone else has who she helps "fix". You guys STILL won't tell me why you're so lenient and just non existent when it comes to black men with white women though.
That's just perfectly the fuck fine.
Wondered how long before the venom, hate, and personal attacks on the show, characters, and creator would take. Not long at all. Well done guys. 
don't say you guys - when talking to me... to quote Jaime Lanister:Every woman is programmed. But not the guys who want to fuck white women. Then when it comes to white women, it's "Pussy is pussy".
You boys are epic. lol love it.
I find it informative you lead with calling her fat. Single. Black. Hmph. All negatives to you i presume. I find it informative you blame her and use her 2 children as a negative without knowing her life. Out of wedlock. Without knowing her beliefs. She got baby daddies and you know nothing about this woman.
Ratchet logic is not what the show deals with. It deals with problems that seem insurmountable but you have a black woman taking the lead and figuring out those problems. You guys call her a negro bed wench. But when it's a black man with white women... it's a different story.
"There are no men like me. Only me."
1.for men pussy is pussy - no matter what the personal preference, a man is capable of fucking any woman that is reasonably or somewhat attractive to him, period.
2. I have not and will not call Olivia Pope a negro bed wench - just morally bankrupt... her solutions are riddled with issues and most times the story just finds its way into fantasy land with the wrapup - good writing would highlight reactions and blowback no one moves in a vacuum the way her story does. The show is sanitized, and it really shouldn't be. Olivia Pope is a strong character that is being sabotaged on TV because of her sex, women really need to look at her as an entertaining but fictional character like Jack Bauer or Tony Soprano on 24 or Sopranos.
don't say you guys - when talking to me... to quote Jaime Lanister:
"There are no men like me. Only me."
1.for men pussy is pussy - no matter what the personal preference, a man is capable of fucking any woman that is reasonably or somewhat attractive to him, period.
2. I have not and will not call Olivia Pope a negro bed wench - just morally bankrupt... her solutions are riddled with issues and most times the story just finds its way into fantasy land with the wrapup - good writing would highlight reactions and blowback no one moves in a vacuum the way her story does. The show is sanitized, and it really shouldn't be. Olivia Pope is a strong character that is being sabotaged on TV because of her sex, women really need to look at her as an entertaining but fictional character like Jack Bauer or Tony Soprano on 24 or Sopranos.
so youre saying men don't find power and heroes in jack bauer or tony soparano??
seriously??
I can only speak for myself - I don't have a problem with interracial relationships...
I have never condemned or felt badly about a black woman for dating or marrying outside her race... same goes for black men - so that's never an issue for me.
Olivia's relationship with the president is only an issue for me because the characters were built up as smarter than that - to make the story work they both get stupid for each other?
As for your take on the morals of the show, my philosophy is nice doesn't equal morally right... end justifies the means = ruthless... the end doesn't justify the means in morality.... Yes Olivia has a heart and she has done nice things for people and saved many, but while doing so she has done some pretty immoral things to accomplish various goals. In a non-sanitized show, the writing would show a lot more unintended consequences and various permutation that occur from her moves and the shit the president's chief of staff pulls off.
I don't like the relationship with her and Fitz. I don't. It's known on this board i don't like IR relationships. I completely disagree with them. And do not even allow white people on my property. Let alone between my magical thighs(Show reference
). I like her character besides the craziness with the President. And you know what he doesn't strike me as smart at ALL. He's a little boy trying to prove something to his father STILL. Everyone has to be the adult around him. Everyone has to make the decisions for HIM. He's not strong. He's passionate though. And in a world where strong women often run into robots, a passionate man is a STRONG allure. I will ADMIT. My husbands passion was 1 of his BEST attributes. The bad thing about passion is when it really flares up it's destructive then a mutha. If you're knocking the show, and the characters. Knock that. Why attack PERSONALLY the woman who's fought and struggled to succeed? THAT'S what drew my attention to your post. Not everybody is supposed to like everything, but dude you attacked the woman's physical nature and family life which (Unless u got some tea to spill) you dont know anything about. That's just not... JUST.
I think she HAS been facing consequences. Her not being able to be with the man she loves is a consequence of her actions. Hell SOMEBODY TRYING TO MURDER HER! Is a consequence of her actions. How can you say she doesn't face them? Especially after seeing the FINALE!? Man. We must not be watching the same show. lol
they were never my heros - but very entertaining... matter of fact both characters made me hate or dislike them depending on what was going on in the story.
I never saw either as characters to emulate... on this board both were talked about the same way we used to talk about Omar or Stringer Bell or Vic Macky
Mine too. I got to send out some Man Card violations after last night because I swear the Knicks and Golden State games were on and niggas were on the Book posting along with the chicks!! While NBA Playoff basketball was on....
I shouldn't have mentioned fat... it really has nothing to do with her character.I don't like the relationship with her and Fitz. I don't. It's known on this board i don't like IR relationships. I completely disagree with them. And do not even allow white people on my property. Let alone between my magical thighs(Show reference
If you're knocking the show, and the characters. Knock that. Why attack PERSONALLY the woman who's fought and struggled to succeed? THAT'S what drew my attention to your post. Not everybody is supposed to like everything, but dude you attacked the woman's physical nature and family life which (Unless u got some tea to spill) you dont know anything about. That's just not... JUST.
I think she HAS been facing consequences. Her not being able to be with the man she loves is a consequence of her actions. Hell SOMEBODY TRYING TO MURDER HER! Is a consequence of her actions. How can you say she doesn't face them? Especially after seeing the FINALE!? Man. We must not be watching the same show. lol
My issue with the show runner is because she now has a track record of morally bankrupt shows that IMO make male / female relationships harder as she continues to push the fantasy that feeling based rational = logic. That good intention can excuse harmful outcome That a woman has the prerogative to be selfish with little backlash to outright impunity as long as her intent was righteous.
yeah yeah -popular doesn't equal good, statistically most of those viewers can't find Germany, Brazil or South Africa on a map... and probably never read...
the show is unquestionably popular just like her previous 2 shows... It has way more viewers than Breaking Bad, Justified and Boardwalk Empire combined, does that mean it has better writing than these shows?
So, is this show about a black woman running to the white savior and rejecting the black man?
That is the gist of what I am reading here.
Is that right?
This is what i'm saying man. Hell Huck's storyline, and then the whole thing with Melly and Chief of Staff and the assasins. All that shit is a thrill a minute for me. Franklin(shivers), any scene he gets to speak in is wonderful!
I gotta ask. How has the main character been SELFISH, when she gives up everything she cares about?
wait wait...if shonda rhimes shows are detrimental to male/female relationships then how is the 24, The wire, the sapranos or any of the stories you posted earlier NOT have an affect on society?
hmmm.... Does she really give up what she truly cares about?
Or does she really sacrifice various things she is told she should care about- in order to do the things she wants to do, or help people the way she really wants to?
I haven't watched the season 2 finale, don't know if I ever will... I'm not saying Olivia is selfish - I'm saying that under the surface the show says its ok to be ruthless, to rationalize, and in the end even be selfish.
But by what yall are saying with her fucking a man who has a wife and kid isn't that selfish??She "Wants" what doesn't belong to her.She doesn't care that A hes married and B hes running tha gotdamn country and tha scandal that would ensue would destroy careers and lives.Sounds kinda selfish to me....
imo -every popular show has an effect on society, but I don't remember so many identifying strongly with morally vague characters. I remember many heads identified with Omar before his character was defined as gay, but that character was smart, had a strong moral code and only robbed drug dealers. Shit for all I know no Omar = Jason Collins staying in the closet
24 had real questions concerning prisoner treatment torture and the persistent question is 1 life worth 10 lives? 100 lives? 1000 lives? etc -forced on various characters over the years, or when is it morally ok to do immoral things? How to pick the lesser of 2 evils. Even though IMO 24 fell apart after S3- those questions never went away.
Sopranos - Tony was a piece of shit - his own worst enemy - I spent almost half the time not liking the character - IMO opinion the greatest impact of the show was commercial not social - it did more to open doors for future HBO shows than anything else.
The character has a high belief in AMURRRICA. She doesn't recognize herself as black, she's 1 of those who believes what she's capable of exceeds race. I think she believes deep down she does deserve whatever she wants. American hubris there. I don't want to give away the show here. But you can sort of see how she developed some of those views when you find out who her father is on the show. So you get a view into her background.
She could have had the President. But rejected him. Again. His marriage is a sham. Everyone behind the scenes knows it's a sham. So the whole "he's married" stuff isn't really a factor in play there to me. She helped rigg the election because she believed he was the BEST man for the job. She has a little god complex there. But if you remember she held out on that when everyone else was like come on come on. Everyone else had a STAKE in him being president. She didn't. She just believed he would be a good president.
She helps people, the character comes across so far as helping people for those nonselfish reasons that MOST people don't even think about. She's not getting anything from these people. Id' call her alot of things, but selfish isnt one of them.
Watch the finale. I think some things will spring up that may give a little more detail into her character.
you're right... an affair was harmful to her friends, her career, her clients, and technically the party. But for her character its a bigger sin to be stupid than selfish...
It was selfish from jump and idiotic to continue. especially after she found out about another jumpoff in the white house.
you're rationalizing her actions - something the show promotes alot (her intentions were good). Like I said before you're buying into excuses to justify immoral behavior because the intention was righteous.
-Sham marriage or not, its still adultery, the same reasons there wasn't a divorce is the same reasons not to fuck... and now you putting a lot of peeps in harms way.
-She is the good one because she resisted committing election fraud but gave in at the end and did fraud anyway? -ok
-So because she wants to help people she is unselfish? Nah baby-girl, she is doing whatever the hell she wants, she feels good about herself because of the "good" works she puts out (look what I did...)
Also she does some real shit in the name of helping people without real consequence and very little blowback... the end does not justify the means, no matter how good the cause.
Take a critical look at her decisions and actions for what they are, look outside of the subjective contexts the show constructs
imo -every popular show has an effect on society, but I don't remember so many identifying strongly with morally vague characters. I remember many heads identified with Omar before his character was defined as gay, but that character was smart, had a strong moral code and only robbed drug dealers. Shit for all I know no Omar = Jason Collins staying in the closet
24 had real questions concerning prisoner treatment torture and the persistent question is 1 life worth 10 lives? 100 lives? 1000 lives? etc -forced on various characters over the years, or when is it morally ok to do immoral things? How to pick the lesser of 2 evils. Even though IMO 24 fell apart after S3- those questions never went away.
Sopranos - Tony was a piece of shit - his own worst enemy - I spent almost half the time not liking the character - IMO opinion the greatest impact of the show was commercial not social - it did more to open doors for future HBO shows than anything else.
but the problem is youre cherry picking.. as far as the wire dudes liked stringer, avon, marlo, chris partlow and snoop all of whom are morally bankrupt.
Hell in the movies young men identified with O dog from menace 2 society and nino brown. Shit niggas STILL get ego hard ons for Tony Montana.
Youre holding women and shonda rhimes shows to a higher standard than any man show and the slick thing you make general statements about all female fans of the show and how its detrimental to them but give a pass to men by bringing it down to what YOU think and feel about those shows..
Classical women in denial logic.I would not even entertain her any longer.
I look at it very critically though. And i judge it along with the bigger picture. I personally have said many times and i understand that MANY times you have to break some eggs to make an omelette. When it comes down to it was it the right decision and did good things happen because of it even at personal cost. Everyone does this. Everyone does it. You're trying to find something to hate about her it seems. Which i guess is fine. I just don't see it the same way you do.
In life people often make decisions based on pure self interest. The character is 1 of those who isn't.
WTGGT its pointless to debate because your on the defensive. No matter what you say he'll find fault even tho there are plenty of examples of male characters who behave in the same manner.
This is the same tactic CACs use in race debates..they point out percieved faults in blacks... generalise it as something pervasive in all blacks ten you spend all your time refuting their claims. If you bring up their faults they either pretend its not as bad for whites as blacks or bring it down to the singular (I never did blah blah..I never seen blah blah)..meanwhile the problem with BLACKS is...
Every woman is programmed. But not the guys who want to fuck white women. Then when it comes to white women, it's "Pussy is pussy".
You boys are epic. lol love it.
I find it informative you lead with calling her fat. Single. Black. Hmph. All negatives to you i presume. I find it informative you blame her and use her 2 children as a negative without knowing her life. Out of wedlock. Without knowing her beliefs. She got baby daddies and you know nothing about this woman.
Ratchet logic is not what the show deals with. It deals with problems that seem insurmountable but you have a black woman taking the lead and figuring out those problems. You guys call her a negro bed wench. But when it's a black man with white women... it's a different story.
BTW, Shonda's kids are adopted.
Also...
"FYI: babies with the least chance of being adopted in US? Black babies. So babies I'm going to show being most adopted? BLACK BABIES."
http://twitter.com/shondarhimes/status/302264008898117632
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