I will take LEBRON JAMES over in his PRIME over

[egatsby]

One point that gets lost in this argument is MJ spent 3yrs in college and LBJ came straight from high school. I think everyone's perception of LBJ would have been different if he spent 3yrs in college . He would have been the best player in the league from day 1. His first championship if he played 3yrs of college like MJ would have come in his 6th yr. this argument is far from over because LBJ is just now hitting his prime and should be there barring injury for at least another 4yrs. It's very possible that he can win 4 championships in that time. We all have a romance with MJ(me too I'm born in 1981) but I do remember a time in the NBA after the bad boys , after show time , after Larry bird in the early 90s when the NBA was pure trash. Jordan had no peer. His biggiest foes were the Knicks who couldn't score, the jazz who were pussys and Seattle . The league is a lot better now

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

One point that gets lost in this argument is MJ spent 3yrs in college and LBJ came straight from high school. I think everyone's perception of LBJ would have been different if he spent 3yrs in college . He would have been the best player in the league from day 1. His first championship if he played 3yrs of college like MJ would have come in his 6th yr. this argument is far from over because LBJ is just now hitting his prime and should be there barring injury for at least another 4yrs. It's very possible that he can win 4 championships in that time. We all have a romance with MJ(me too I'm born in 1981) but I do remember a time in the NBA after the bad boys , after show time , after Larry bird in the early 90s when the NBA was pure trash. Jordan had no peer. His biggiest foes were the Knicks who couldn't score, the jazz who were pussys and Seattle . The league is a lot better now

that's total bullshit.
those knicks, those jazz that seattle team those suns those magic, shit those heat and hornets teams ALL GET RINGS in today nba ALL OF THEM.

 

[egatsby]

My point being is you can't compare MJ and LBJ by season you have to compare what they were doing at same age. It's not fair to compare a mature 25 MJ to a 22yr old LBJ still figuring out who is as a man. So right now LBj is 28 so compare him to a 28yr old MJ

 

[egatsby]

that's total bullshit.
those knicks, those jazz that seattle team those suns those magic, shit those heat and hornets teams ALL GET RINGS in today nba ALL OF THEM.

Nope they would all be losing to the heat.

 

[KP404]

that's total bullshit.
those knicks, those jazz that seattle team those suns those magic, shit those heat and hornets teams ALL GET RINGS in today nba ALL OF THEM.

Exactly..those teams in the 90s would beat the shit out of the teams now...the rule changes have made the league softer...there are amazing players now, but there are no amazing TEAMS....there were amazing TEAMS in the 90s like the Knicks, Sonics, Blazers, Bulls, Pacers, Jazz, Rockets, etc....

 

[egatsby]

Btw MJ was 28 when he got his first ring

 

[egatsby]

Exactly..those teams in the 90s would beat the shit out of the teams now...the rule changes have made the league softer...there are amazing players now, but there are no amazing TEAMS....there were amazing TEAMS in the 90s like the Knicks, Sonics, Blazers, Bulls, Pacers, Jazz, Rockets, etc....

The Knicks were amazing? The pacers were amazing? The rockets had an all time great but the sonics? With kemp, Payton , detlef, Sam Perkins were amazing? The jazz had 2 players. This is revisionist history and a nostalgia to your youth

 

[Spectrum]

Nope they would all be losing to the heat.

Dawg. The heat already lost in the finals to a not so great Dallas team. Those teams that largebillsonlyplease mentioned were better than Dallas and way more experienced than the young OKC squad. The Heat hardly even have a foe in the eastern conference and it's NOT because the Heat are playing great ball.. the Knicks are ok and the other squads are playing without their best players due to injury.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Nope they would all be losing to the heat.

kevin johnson
john stockton
gary payton
against mario chalmers



who's guarding karl malone or chuck or kemp?
pen your mouth to say lebron and you'll be quietly eliminated from conversation. last year 2 years after kg's prime he couldn't guard him 1 on 1 so don't even go there.

who's going to be able to stay on hersey out on the perimeter? and not surrender open lanes for payton and mcmillan?


ainge, barkeley, johnson?

stop it bruh

 

[Spectrum]

Exactly..those teams in the 90s would beat the shit out of the teams now...the rule changes have made the league softer...there are amazing players now, but there are no amazing TEAMS....there were amazing TEAMS in the 90s like the Knicks, Sonics, Blazers, Bulls, Pacers, Jazz, Rockets, etc....

He's not understanding that we are talking about complete TEAMS. The Heat can noe manage to win in the east with Lebron James being their best rebounder. This heat team as constructed would not even make the ECF because the 90s was a center-deep league.

 

[egatsby]

Also I want you to name the great 2 guards that MJ was facing every night

Clyde Drexler. . . After that who? Cause I'm drawing a blank, Mitch Richmond ? Alvin Roberson ? John Starks? Jeff hornecek? Nate McMillian ? Reggie Miller?

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

The Knicks were amazing? The pacers were amazing? The rockets had an all time great but the sonics? With kemp, Payton , detlef, Sam Perkins were amazing? The jazz had 2 players. This is revisionist history and a nostalgia to your youth

who guards ewing who stops him from dropping 50 a game in the series?

who guards kemp?

who guards payton?



we're not even into the role players lol

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Also I want you to name the great 2 guards that MJ was facing every night

Clyde Drexler. . . After that who? Cause I'm drawing a blank, Mitch Richmond ? Alvin Roberson ? John Starks? Jeff hornecek? Nate McMillian ? Reggie Miller?

clyde would be an mvp in todays game
mitch richmond was a fucking BEAST play him if you want to.
Reggie would have 2 rings in todays game with the teams he had back then. then didn't stop him then... when you could mug people
what you think he'd do to you now?

 

[egatsby]

kevin johnson
john stockton
gary payton
against mario chalmers



who's guarding karl malone or chuck or kemp?
pen your mouth to say lebron and you'll be quietly eliminated from conversation. last year 2 years after kg's prime he couldn't guard him 1 on 1 so don't even go there.

who's going to be able to stay on hersey out on the perimeter? and not surrender open lanes for payton and mcmillan?


ainge, barkeley, johnson?

stop it bruh

I mean u say that but who is stopping LBJ and Dwade? You act like they both aren't already top 50 players. Those would be great matchups as a fan I would die to see what that would look like. But all those teams u just made had 3 very good players and then everyone else was a role player, sound familiar ?

 

[Spectrum]

Also I want you to name the great 2 guards that MJ was facing every night

Clyde Drexler. . . After that who? Cause I'm drawing a blank, Mitch Richmond ? Alvin Roberson ? John Starks? Jeff hornecek? Nate McMillian ? Reggie Miller?

You've even failed to mention top 50 players of all-time on your list.

However, let's not act like this current era is stacked with 2s:

Kobe, Wade, Harden, George, Mayo, Iguodala, Martin, Johnson.

You can make a case for PGs this era.... but today's SGs are not better than that era of 2s.

 

[egatsby]

who guards ewing who stops him from dropping 50 a game in the series?

who guards kemp?

who guards payton?



we're not even into the role players lol

These are hypotheticals that can never be answered only debated and is only digressing from my original point that you must compare LBJ to MJ by age not by seasons played

 

[Spectrum]

I mean u say that but who is stopping LBJ and Dwade? ?

The heat have a deficiency that is so absurd that it almost renders the argument laughable. There is no way this team competes with a top team in the 90s because they don't have any post players or defenders and couldn't get any rebounds. The 90s was stacked with Great centers that would abuse this Heat team in the paint.

It works NOW because the best center in the NBA now are oversized PFs that can get away with playing center because big skilled centers are an endangered species.

The Heat can hardly get rebounds now as it is...

 

[KingTaharqa]

Also I want you to name the great 2 guards that MJ was facing every night

Clyde Drexler. . . After that who? Cause I'm drawing a blank, Mitch Richmond ? Alvin Roberson ? John Starks? Jeff hornecek? Nate McMillian ? Reggie Miller?

Craig Ehlo
Hersey Hawkins
Kendall Gill
Danny Ainge
Gerald Wilkins
Steve Smith
LaBradford Smith

 

[FJP]

Honestly far as this better older teams argument. Can't say all those teams would win. Miami is small. At the same time who thought a team led by a 2 guard, a versatile 3 and a boatload of disposable big men would dominate an era with some of the best centers of all time?

 

[egatsby]

And Ifor the record I'm not even saying I would take LBj over MJ in his prime . I'm just saying this argument is not as dismissive and laughable as some of you make it out to be . Just answer this if LBJ had gone to college for 3yrs like MJ and played 6yrs up until this point, winning his first ring at the same age as MJ, won 4 mvps avg 28 7 7 over that time period would your perception have changed?

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Honestly far as this better older teams argument. Can't say all those teams would win. Miami is small. At the same time who thought a team led by a 2 guard, a versatile 3 and a boatload of disposable big men would dominate an era with some of the best centers of all time?

if this heat team wanted to compete with those teams spo couldn't be the coach i can tell you that. this year and last years heat team is top heavy

the thing about those other teams is the people coming off the bench then were good enough to start today in some cases.

the heat would have a punchers chance but spo couldn't be the coach

spo shouldn't be their coach now to tell the truth.

 

[Spectrum]

I'm just saying this argument is not as dismissive and laughable as some of you make it out to be . J?

I think it's just too early to ask the question. But it's not too early for it to cross your mind. That should make sense

 

[HeathCliff]

I think it's just too early to ask the question. But it's not too early for it to cross your mind. That should make sense

Damn this thread still going?

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

These are hypotheticals that can never be answered only debated and is only digressing from my original point that you must compare LBJ to MJ by age not by seasons played

how can you compare by age and not season played when they didn't start at the same age in the nba? that doesn't make sense.

you don't think jordan would or could have been youngest to 10,000 and 5,000 if he had started at age 18?

don't forget he broke his leg and missed an entire year on top of that

come on fam

 

[Spectrum]

if this heat team wanted to compete with those teams spo couldn't be the coach i can tell you that. this year and last years heat team is top heavy .

They win DESPITE Coach Spo because he acts like he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing half the time.

 

[egatsby]

Lebron James at the aged of 28

3 x MVP
1 x FMVP
1 x Champion
Rookie of the Year
8 x NBA All-Star
6 x 1st All-NBA team
4 x 1st All-Defensive team
2 x All-Star MVP
20 x Player of the Month

STATS:

19045 points @ 27.6 PPG
4943 rebounds @ 7.2 RPG
4751 assists @ 6.9 APG
1194 steals @ 1.7 SPG
582 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
FG - 48.3%
3PT - 33.1%
FT - 74.6%
PER - 27.2 (#2 all-time)
268 total double doubles
41 total triple doubles

Michael Jordan At the aged of 28

2 x MVP
1 x FMVP
1 x Champion
Rookie of the Year
Defensive Player of the Year
6 x NBA All-Star
5 x 1st All-NBA team
4 x 1st All-Defensive team
1 x All-Star MVP
10 x Player of the Month

STATS:

16596 points @ 32.6 PPG
3186 rebounds @ 6.2 RPG
3018 assists @ 5.9 APG
1412 steals @ 2.7 SPG
548 blocks @ 1.1 BPG
FG - 51.7%
3PT - 28.6%
FT - 84.5%
PER - 28.2 (#1 all-time)
121 total double doubles
19 total triple doubles

 

[FJP]

if this heat team wanted to compete with those teams spo couldn't be the coach i can tell you that. this year and last years heat team is top heavy

the thing about those other teams is the people coming off the bench then were good enough to start today in some cases.

the heat would have a punchers chance but spo couldn't be the coach

spo shouldn't be their coach now to tell the truth.

Riley would have to coach and the bench would have 3 more 7 foot disposable bodies.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Lebron James at the aged of 28

he's played 3 more full seasons than jordan had by that age.

stop it

 

[Spectrum]

Damn this thread still going?

Man. I made a quick post this morning but I knew when I got back tonight this shit would still be on the first page

 

[egatsby]

how can you compare by age and not season played when they didn't start at the same age in the nba? that doesn't make sense.

you don't think jordan would or could have been youngest to 10,000 and 5,000 if he had started at age 18?

don't forget he broke his leg and missed an entire year on top of that

come on fam

This is not the point I'm making of course he would have throw out stats I'm talking about perception. That's why I'm saying compare them both at age 28 which is the prime, which is the original question

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

They win DESPITE Coach Spo because he acts like he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing half the time.

its not an act.

spo can't coach for shit
he and brooks are the luckiest coaches in the nba

spo is absolutely horrible and every game he proves it.

he just happens to be on the sideline with lebron james

simple as that.

 

[FJP]

If the Heat could get a serviceable Greg Oden(somehow healthy) they'd be unbeatable

 

[KingTaharqa]

he's played 3 more full seasons than jordan had by that age.

stop it

It's his fault he was better than Jordan at a younger age? Jordan was not good enough to come straight out of Laney High and go to the pros. He wasn't Moses Malone. He needed 3 years of college. LeBron is one of the very few NBA players who did not and came out the gate dominant. He's 1 of 3 players to average 20,5, & 5 his rookie year. The youngest player to ever win ROY. And the only man to average at least 26 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists for a career. LeBron is one of the most versatile players we've ever seen on the court.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Riley would have to coach and the bench would have 3 more 7 foot disposable bodies.

if riley coached bosh would be doing what bosh is capable of doing instead of deferring to the perimeters and moving out of their way playing clean up man

spo is literally holding the heat back LITERALLY

if they let bosh do his thing in the paint the heat would damn near be unbeatable.

as it stands now they want the lane clear for the sake of wade and for the sake of lebron.

its criminal

the game would be so much easier but spo is too dumb to recognize that

 

[FJP]

Can you imagine how good Miami would be if say Phil had this team?