Randy Moss at Media Day: I'm the greatest receiver to ever do it

[AllState17]

Re: Randy Moss at Media Day: I'm the greatest receiver to ever do itt

OK what do you think Moss would do on those San Fran teams? Look at Moss videos and then look at Rice's videos homey. Dam I told myself I would talk sports with Lebron groupy.

Considering the fact that those San Fran teams were never based on vertical passing schemes... Rice was MUCH better suited for those teams then Moss could ever be. Even when you look at the QBs, Montana and Young were never great deep ball throwers. So no, Moss would not have put up better numbers then Rice on those teams.

You have any more dumb questions to throw my way?

 

[unknownsoldier]

Re: Randy Moss at Media Day: I'm the greatest receiver to ever do itt

Considering the fact that those San Fran teams were never based on vertical passing schemes... Rice was MUCH better suited for those teams then Moss could ever be. Even when you look at the QBs, Montana and Young were never great deep ball throwers. So no, Moss would not have put up better numbers then Rice on those teams.

You have any more dumb questions to throw my way?

He would be just as good, only difference being...he'd have a better team & coaching staff that would have allowed him to win rings.

 

[AllState17]

Re: Randy Moss at Media Day: I'm the greatest receiver to ever do itt

He would be just as good, only difference being...he'd have a better team & coaching staff that would have allowed him to win rings.

He would be just as good based on what?

What have you seen from Moss that tells you he would as good as Rice in a West Coast offense?

Rice skill-set is tailor-made for that offense. Thats why he could put up those numbers for as long as did, even when his speed was gone.

Moss's skill-set is completely different. Yes he would be better coached, and Im sure he would still be great in it, but you would be asking him to do something else then what he does best.

Those are just facts.

 

[unknownsoldier]

Re: Randy Moss at Media Day: I'm the greatest receiver to ever do itt

He would be just as good based on what?

What have you seen from Moss that tells you he would as good as Rice in a West Coast offense?

Rice skill-set is tailor-made for that offense. Thats why he could put up those numbers for as long as did, even when his speed was gone.

Moss's skill-set is completely different. Yes he would be better coached, and Im sure he would still be great in it, but you would be asking him to do something else then what he does best.

Those are just facts.

You do remember who his coach was in Minnesota & what system he ran don't you???

 

[l9ikjam]

Re: Randy Moss at Media Day: I'm the greatest receiver to ever do itt

Considering the fact that those San Fran teams were never based on vertical passing schemes... Rice was MUCH better suited for those teams then Moss could ever be. Even when you look at the QBs, Montana and Young were never great deep ball throwers. So no, Moss would not have put up better numbers then Rice on those teams.

You have any more dumb questions to throw my way?

They didn't throw deep bc they didn't have anyone to throw deep too. How many deep passes did Young throw to T.O? Like I said Rice was on a super team where even the RB was getting a thousand receiving yard. Welker I mean Rice(for some reason I always get them mixed up) was always open because the offensive line gave him the time to get open but if you remember those 49ers Giants games or 49ers and Saints games where the 49ers had to go up against good pass rushers Rice never had big games. Now Moss the defense wasnt allowed to blitz because they normally had 3 or 4 people on Moss.

 

[reignmaker]

PPl are also forgetting than rice had 2 seasons of over 1,000 yards in Oakland after playing 16 seasons and another in Oakland where he had over 800 yards receiving. G.O.A.T

 

[l9ikjam]

PPl are also forgetting than rice had 2 seasons of over 1,000 yards in Oakland after playing 16 seasons and another in Oakland where he had over 800 yards receiving. G.O.A.T

Again he was lucky enough to go to a great offense. That Rice, T Brown, and Porter combination wasn't a joke but the offense was good before Rice got there. I'm not saying Rice wasn't a good player he's just not Moss

 

[reignmaker]

Again he was lucky enough to go to a great offense. That Rice, T Brown, and Porter combination wasn't a joke but the offense was good before Rice got there. I'm not saying Rice wasn't a good player he's just not Moss

i respect your opinion... i just posted this for the ppl who only talked about his time in SF. Even though he did have those other players you mentioned, to do that after already playing 16 years in SF is incredible

 

[BIGGSARGE]

I''m with Rice on this one. Can't call yourself the best without rings.

 

[l9ikjam]

I''m with Rice on this one. Can't call yourself the best without rings.

It's a lot of great players that retired without a ring bc they were not in good situations. Jerry spent most of his career on teams with top 5 offense and defense. Moss lost 1 ring because 1 of the greatest FG kickers of all time missed a short FG, another 1 bc 1 of the most overrated QB's of all time(Brady)was missing wide open receivers bc he couldn't and still can't play against a pass rush. He's gonna get that ring this year though. It's gonna break Jerry and Sterling hearts to see him raised the trophy.

 

[PaperKut]

Top 3

1. Jerry Rice
2. Randy Moss
3. Cris Carter
4. ???
5. ???

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

It's a lot of great players that retired without a ring bc they were not in good situations. Jerry spent most of his career on teams with top 5 offense and defense. Moss lost 1 ring because 1 of the greatest FG kickers of all time missed a short FG, another 1 bc 1 of the most overrated QB's of all time(Brady)was missing wide open receivers bc he couldn't and still can't play against a pass rush. He's gonna get that ring this year though. It's gonna break Jerry and Sterling hearts to see him raised the trophy.

You really think the Vikings would of beaten the 98 Broncos that year....

Top 3

1. Jerry Rice
2. Randy Moss
3. Cris Carter
4. ???
5. ???

1.Jerry Rice
2.Randy Moss
3.Cris Carter
4.Michael Irving
5.TO
6.Tim Brown
7.Rod Smith
8.Mark Clayton
9.Sterling Sharpe(would be alot higher if it wasnt for him leaving early.....)
10.Andre Reed

 

[BDR]

Chris Carter was hatin

Talkin bout Randy moss is top 5 in the last 25 yrs

Nigga ain't say top 5 all time lol

 

[Spectrum]

Chris Carter was hatin

Talkin bout Randy moss is top 5 in the last 25 yrs

Nigga ain't say top 5 all time lol

Chris Carter said Moss would show up on game day at the last fucking minute.... would change into his gear and eat a bag of Doritos.... Carter would be like..da fuck are you doing?... Moss would be like "eating breakfast" . Then dude would go out and score 2 TDs and rack up 100 yards having only eaten a fucking back of doritos all day...

 

[hardworkpays]

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[Jumbodicc]

Re: Randy Moss at Media Day: I'm the greatest receiver to ever do itt

The only question I got is who is the greatest offensive player of all time between Barry Sanders or Randy Moss? Jerry Rice was Welker before Welker a good WR on an excellent team. Jerry spent most of his career with 1 on 1 coverage because of the weapons on his team Moss spent most of his career with 3 people checking him. He's pass his prime and still got the best corners in the game playing 15 to 20 yards off of the line of scrimmage. Jerry played with good QB's his whole career while Moss QB's disappeared after they no longer had him to throw 2

You must not watch the games

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Re: Randy Moss at Media Day: I'm the greatest receiver to ever do itt

If I had Montana throwing me da ball I would have rice numbers too

 

[l9ikjam]

Re: Randy Moss at Media Day: I'm the greatest receiver to ever do itt

Those numbers just means Rice played more season. Look at the QB's that Moss made look like all pros and then look at the QB's Rice played with

 

[dtownsfinest]

Re: Randy Moss at Media Day: I'm the greatest receiver to ever do itt

The only question I got is who is the greatest offensive player of all time between Barry Sanders or Randy Moss? Jerry Rice was Welker before Welker a good WR on an excellent team. Jerry spent most of his career with 1 on 1 coverage because of the weapons on his team Moss spent most of his career with 3 people checking him. He's pass his prime and still got the best corners in the game playing 15 to 20 yards off of the line of scrimmage. Jerry played with good QB's his whole career while Moss QB's disappeared after they no longer had him to throw 2

Nigga.....what? Jerry Rice was Wes Welker? And Randy Moss never played with nobody? All he did was spend his career playing with other Pro Bowl receivers. Man you sound crazy as hell man.

 

[dtownsfinest]

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If I had Montana throwing me da ball I would have rice numbers too

And you sound crazy as hell too. So in order to be the best you gotta have a bum qb?

 

[Ninja05]

Moss was a weapon. He changed the game in many aspects. He may be the most talented ever. He probably changed the way offenses treated WRs more than Rice. That's okay. However - that doesn't make you the best. Why? For the same reason Vick had a better impact on the league than Montana, etc... However, who is saying Vick is better than big game Joe?

Well - Rice has better stats (season, playoffs, and super bowls), did it for a much longer time, scored 22 TDs in 12 games, ran across the middle, did the entire route tree, Superbowl MVP, and damn near created YAC. Doesn't men Moss is good or great...just not better.

Best means best. And to be the best - you need to prove it on Sundays. Not midweek during game sessions.

 

[Spectrum]

Re: Randy Moss at Media Day: I'm the greatest receiver to ever do itt

And you sound crazy as hell too. So in order to be the best you gotta have a bum qb?

Man you been around here too long to still be falling for the Shaddy bait

 

[Spectrum]

Moss was a weapon. He changed the game in many aspects. He may be the most talented ever. He probably changed the way offenses treated WRs more than Rice. That's okay. However - that doesn't make you the best. Why? For the same reason Vick had a better impact on the league than Montana, etc... However, who is saying Vick is better than big game Joe?

Well - Rice has better stats (season, playoffs, and super bowls), did it for a much longer time, scored 22 TDs in 12 games, ran across the middle, did the entire route tree, Superbowl MVP, and damn near created YAC. Doesn't men Moss is good or great...just not better.

Best means best. And to be the best - you need to prove it on Sundays. Not midweek during game sessions.

 

[Ninja05]

Re: Randy Moss at Media Day: I'm the greatest receiver to ever do itt

You must not watch the games

He can't name those weapons...man they used to play quarters defense and had a safety to spy on Jerry. Walsh put him in the slot - next thing you know- Jerry is running 70 yards.

 

[dtownsfinest]

Re: Randy Moss at Media Day: I'm the greatest receiver to ever do itt

Man you been around here too long to still be falling for the Shaddy bait

I didn't feel like that was Shady bait I thought that was him just showing his ass.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Re: Randy Moss at Media Day: I'm the greatest receiver to ever do itt

Nigga had the goat throwing him the ball

He better had them numbers

 

[Blu Diablo]

Moss was a weapon. He changed the game in many aspects. He may be the most talented ever. He probably changed the way offenses treated WRs more than Rice. That's okay. However - that doesn't make you the best. Why? For the same reason Vick had a better impact on the league than Montana, etc... However, who is saying Vick is better than big game Joe?

Well - Rice has better stats (season, playoffs, and super bowls), did it for a much longer time, scored 22 TDs in 12 games, ran across the middle, did the entire route tree, Superbowl MVP, and damn near created YAC. Doesn't men Moss is good or great...just not better.

Best means best. And to be the best - you need to prove it on Sundays. Not midweek during game sessions.

In what way did Moss change the game? In what way did offenses(?)change the way they treated WR because of Moss?

I'm not disagreeing with your point but I'd like real answers to those questions.

Dudes (not you) on this muhfugga talkin' like defenses didn't game plan for Jerry Rice and he just lucked the fuck up.

 

[Complex]

People make a story out of nothing

Jerry Rice played in the perfect system with the perfect QB

Every player should believe they're the best. That's why Flacco thinks he deserves Manning/Brady money. When you don't think you're one of the best, you're just playing hard or playing to get a check.

The real story was him finally admitting he wanted to be a bigger part of the offense. Why he did this the week of the Super Bowl? It might hurt him from getting a job next year.

 

[Dragonfly Jones]

Moss was a weapon. He changed the game in many aspects. He may be the most talented ever. He probably changed the way offenses treated WRs more than Rice. That's okay. However - that doesn't make you the best. Why? For the same reason Vick had a better impact on the league than Montana, etc... However, who is saying Vick is better than big game Joe?

Well - Rice has better stats (season, playoffs, and super bowls), did it for a much longer time, scored 22 TDs in 12 games, ran across the middle, did the entire route tree, Superbowl MVP, and damn near created YAC. Doesn't men Moss is good or great...just not better.

Best means best. And to be the best - you need to prove it on Sundays. Not midweek during game sessions.

Rice's td record that Moss broke was against replacement players. Shit has an asterisk next to it. Reggie White also broke the sack record that year on replacement players. They were still great but a little misleading. Talent wise Moss is better but he can only do deep routes and jump balls whereas Jerry can beat you many different ways. If I needed one wr for a game I probably would roll wiith 1998 Moss or 2007 Moss. If I was picking a wr to build my franchise around I take Rice over anybody with Irvin being my second pick.

 

[Ninja05]

Rice's td record that Moss broke was against replacement players. Shit has an asterisk next to it. Reggie White also broke the sack record that year on replacement players. They were still great but a little misleading. Talent wise Moss is better but he can only do deep routes and jump balls whereas Jerry can beat you many different ways. If I needed one wr for a game I probably would roll wiith 1998 Moss or 2007 Moss. If I was picking a wr to build my franchise around I take Rice over anybody with Irvin being my second pick.

From my understanding - it was only 12 games because the season was cut from 16 games to 15 games during the strike shortened season. 3 games were played versus replacement players and don't count - hence the 12 game season.

 

[Ninja05]

In what way did Moss change the game? In what way did offenses(?)change the way they treated WR because of Moss?

I'm not disagreeing with your point but I'd like real answers to those questions.

Dudes (not you) on this muhfugga talkin' like defenses didn't game plan for Jerry Rice and he just lucked the fuck up.

From what I could see (didn't watch him like I watched Rice) they were whole game plans rolling the safety over his side, double teams, etc..

 

[Blu Diablo]

From my understanding - it was only 12 games because the season was cut from 16 games to 15 games during the strike shortened season. 3 games were played versus replacement players and don't count - hence the 12 game season.

On top of that, most of his TDs that season (16) came in the last 7 weeks of the season, well after the vets were back and the rust shaken off.

 

[Ninja05]

People make a story out of nothing

Jerry Rice played in the perfect system with the perfect QB

Every player should believe they're the best. That's why Flacco thinks he deserves Manning/Brady money. When you don't think you're one of the best, you're just playing hard or playing to get a check.

The real story was him finally admitting he wanted to be a bigger part of the offense. Why he did this the week of the Super Bowl? It might hurt him from getting a job next year.

Rice had three perfect systems/QBs? Rich Gannon wasn't perfect (though MVP) in 2001 - 2003 when was 2nd team all - pro at 39. Second - Montana is known for super bowls, come backs and showing up in big games. Cam Newton threw more yards in his first year than Joe Montana ever threw. Steve Young was not a prolific QB (most he ever threw was roughly 4200 yards). When Jerrry Rice had 1848 receiving yards - Steve Young only played 11 games that season.

You really can't argue stats at all and that' fine.

 

[l9ikjam]

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He can't name those weapons...man they used to play quarters defense and had a safety to spy on Jerry. Walsh put him in the slot - next thing you know- Jerry is running 70 yards.

The quarter defense didn't come out until the Patriots did it against the Rams in the Super Bowl. Now lets talk about all of this attention Jerry had on him. Joe and Steve had John Taylor averaging 600 to 1000 per year, Brent Jones averaging over 500 per year, Roger Craig averaging 500 to 1000 per year, Tom Rathem averaging 500 to 700 per year so with all of that not counting Craig's 1000 rushing yards per year and Rathem 500 to 700 rushing yards per season how did the defense have the extra players to put on Jerry? I see Jerry getting a lot of 1 on 1 but I see videos of Moss catching over 3 and 4 people. JERRY WAS ON A SUPER TEAM and I think John Taylor could have put up better numbers if Jerry bitch ass wasn't crying everytime the ball was throw to his teammates

 

[Mr. Met]

It would be the gospel truth had he not given up on so many plays.