The 2nd Amendment

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The main reason why the 2nd Amendment was written was to continue state run militias and indirectly prevent the military from being able to have tyranny over its citizens.....

Britian had martial law over the colonies.....and basically bullied them at will.

So if the citizens don t have access to military grade weapons.....

Isn t that in direct violation to what the second amendment was intended to do?

and if so wouldn t you need 2/3 of Congress to overturn this amendment?
 
The main reason why the 2nd Amendment was written was to continue state run militias and indirectly prevent the military from being able to have tyranny over its citizens.....

Britian had martial law over the colonies.....and basically bullied them at will.

So if the citizens don t have access to military grade weapons.....

Isn t that in direct violation to what the second amendment was intended to do?

and if so wouldn t you need 2/3 of Congress to overturn this amendment?
yes... you got it... but the Supreme Court's latest rulings doesn't agree on the part of average citizens vs. military tyranny. its been very pro federal over all
 
BEARING ARMS


SECOND AMENDMENT

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

In spite of extensive recent discussion and much legislative action with respect to regulation of the purchase, possession, and transportation of firearms, as well as proposals to substantially curtail ownership of firearms, there is no definitive resolution by the courts of just what right the Second Amendment protects. The opposing theories, perhaps oversimplified, are an “individual rights” thesis whereby individuals are protected in ownership, possession, and transportation, and a “states’ rights” thesis whereby it is said the purpose of the clause is to protect the States in their authority to maintain formal, organized militia units.1 Whatever the Amendment may mean, it is a bar only to federal action, not extending to state2 or private3 restraints. The Supreme Court has given effect to the dependent clause of the Amendment in the only case in which it has tested a congressional enactment against the constitutional prohibition, seeming to affirm individual protection but only in the context of the maintenance of a militia or other such public force.

In United States v. Miller,4 the Court sustained a statute requiring registration under the National Firearms Act of sawed–off-shotguns. After reciting the original provisions of the Constitution dealing with the militia, the Court observed that “[w]ith obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted with that end in view.”5 The significance of the militia, the Court continued, was that it was composed of “civilians primarily, soldiers on occasion.” It was upon this force that the States could rely for defense and securing of the laws, on a force that “comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense,” who, “when called for service . . . were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.”6 Therefore, “n the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a ‘shotgun having a barrel of less than 18 inches in length’ at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well– regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense.”7

Since this decision, Congress has placed greater limitations on the receipt, possession, and transportation of firearms,8 and proposals for national registration or prohibition of firearms altogether have been made.9 At what point regulation or prohibition of what classes of firearms would conflict with the Amendment, if at all, the Miller case does little more than cast a faint degree of illumination toward an answer.


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Pointing out that interest in the “character of the Second Amendment right has recently burgeoned,” Justice Thomas, concurring in the Court’s invalidation (on other grounds) of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, questioned whether the Second Amendment bars federal regulation of gun sales, and suggested that the Court might determine “at some future date . . . whether Justice Story was correct . . . that the right to bear arms ‘has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic.’ ” 1


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It was not until 2008 that the Supreme Court definitively came down on the side of an “individual rights” theory.1 Relying on new scholarship regarding the origins of the Amendment, the Court in District of Columbia v. Heller2 confirmed what had been a growing consensus of legal scholars – that the rights of the Second Amendment adhered to individuals. The Court reached this conclusion after a textual analysis of the Amendment,3 an examination of the historical use of prefatory phrases in statutes, and a detailed exploration of the 18th century meaning of phrases found in the Amendment. Although accepting that the historical and contemporaneous use of the phrase “keep and bear Arms” often arose in connection with military activities, the Court noted that its use was not limited to those contexts.4 Further, the Court found that the phrase “well regulated Militia” referred not to formally organized state or federal militias, but to the pool of “able-bodied men” who were available for conscription.5 Finally, the Court reviewed contemporaneous state constitutions, post-enactment commentary, and subsequent case law to conclude that the purpose of the right to keep and bear arms extended beyond the context of militia service to include self-defense.

Using this “individual rights theory,” the Court struck down a District of Columbia law that banned virtually all handguns, and required that any other type of firearm in a home be dissembled or bound by a trigger lock at all times. The Court rejected the argument that handguns could be banned as long as other guns (such as long-guns) were available, noting that, for a variety of reasons, handguns are the “most popular weapon chosen by Americans for self-defense in the home.”6 Similarly, the requirement that all firearms be rendered inoperable at all times was found to limit the “core lawful purpose of self-defense.” However, the Court specifically stated (albeit in dicta) that the Second Amendment did not limit prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, penalties for carrying firearms in schools and government buildings, or laws regulating the sales of guns. The Court also noted that there was a historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of “dangerous and unusual weapons” that would not be affected by its decision. The Court, however, declined to establish the standard by which future gun regulations would be evaluated.7 And, more importantly, because the District of Columbia is a federal enclave, the Court did not have occasion to address whether it would reconsider its prior decisions that the Second Amendment does not apply to the states.

The latter issue was addressed in McDonald v. Chicago,8 where a plurality of the Court, overturning prior precedent, found that the Second Amendment is incorporated through the Fourteenth Amendment and is thus enforceable against the states.9 Relevant to this question, the Court examined whether the right to keep and bear arms is “fundamental to our scheme of ordered liberty”10 or “deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition.”11 The Court, relying on historical analysis set forth previously in Heller, noted the English common law roots of the right to keep arms for self-defense12 and the importance of the right to the American colonies, the drafters of the Constitution. and the states as a bulwark against over-reaching federal authority.13 Noting that by the 1850s the perceived threat that the National Government would disarm the citizens had largely faded, the Court suggested that the right to keep and bear arms became valued principally for purposes of self-defense, so that the passage of Fourteenth Amendment, in part, was intended to protect the right of ex-slaves to keep and bear arms. While it was argued by the dissent that this protection would most logically be provided by the Equal Protection Clause, not by the Due Process Clause,14 the plurality also found enough evidence of then-existent concerns regarding the treatment of blacks by the state militia to conclude that the right to bear arms was also intended to protect against generally-applicable state regulation.

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1 A sampling of the diverse literature in which the same historical, linguistic, and case law background is the basis for strikingly different conclusions is: Staff of Subcom. on the Constitution, Senate Committee on the Judiciary, 97th Congress, 2d Sess., The Right to Keep and Bear Arms (Comm. Print 1982); Don B. Kates, Handgun Prohibition and the Original Meaning of the Second Amendment (1984); Gun Control and the Constitution: Sources and Explorations on the Second Amendment (Robert J. Cottrol, ed. 1993); Stephen P. Halbrook, That Every Man Be Armed: The Evolution of a Constitutional Right (1984); Symposium, Gun Control, 49 Law & Contemp. Probs. 1 (1986); Sanford Levinson, The Embarrassing Second Amendment, 99 Yale L.J. 637 (1989).


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Joyce Lee Malcolm, To Keep and Bear Arms: The Origins of an Anglo–American Right (1994); Glenn Harlan Reynolds, A Critical Guide to the Second Amendment, 62 Tenn. L. Rev. 461 (1995); William Van Alystyne, The Second Amendment and the Personal Right to Bear Arms, 43 Duke L.J. 1236 (1994).

2 Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252, 265 (1886) . See also Miller v. Texas, 153 U.S. 535 (1894) ; Robertson v. Baldwin, 165 U.S. 275, 281–282 (1897) . The non–application of the Second Amendment to the States is good law today. Quilici v. Village of Morton Grove, 695 F. 2d 261 (7th Cir. 1982), cert. denied, 464 U.S. 863 (1983) .

3 United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875) .

4307 U.S. 174 (1939) . The defendants had been released on the basis of the trial court determination that prosecution would violate the Second Amendment and no briefs or other appearances were filed on their behalf; the Court acted on the basis of the Government’s representations.

5 Id. at 178.

6 Id. at 179.

7 Id. at 178. In Cases v. United States, 131 F. 2d 916, 922 (1st Cir. 1942), cert. denied, 319 U.S. 770 (1943) , the court, upholding a similar provision of the Federal Firearms Act, said: “Apparently, then, under the Second Amendment, the federal government can limit the keeping and bearing of arms by a single individual as well as by a group of individuals, but it cannot prohibit the possession or use of any weapon which has any reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well–regulated militia.” See Lewis v. United States, 445 U.S. 55, 65 n.8 (1980) (dictum: Miller holds that the “Second Amendment guarantees no right to keep and bear a firearm that does not have ‘some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia”’).


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See also Hickman v. Block, 81 F.3d 98 (9th Cir.) (plaintiff lacked standing to challenge denial of permit to carry concealed weapon, because Second Amendment is a right held by States, not by private citizens), cert. denied 519 U.S. 912 (1996) ; United States v. Gomez, 92 F.3d 770, 775 n.7 (9th Cir. 1996) (interpreting federal prohibition on possession of firearm by a felon as having a justification defense “ensures that [the provision] does not collide with the Second Amendment”); United States v. Wright, 117 F.3d 1265 (11th Cir.), cert. denied 522 U.S. 1007 (1997) (member of Georgia unorganized militia unable to establish that his possession of machineguns and pipe bombs bore any connection to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia).

8 Enacted measures include the Gun Control Act of 1968. 82 Stat. 226 , 18 U.S.C. §§ 921 –928. The Supreme Court’s dealings with these laws have all arisen in the context of prosecutions of persons purchasing or obtaining firearms in violation of a provisions against such conduct by convicted felons. Lewis v. United States, 445 U.S. 55 (1980) ; Barrett v. United States, 423 U.S. 212 (1976) ; Scarborough v. United States, 431 U.S. 563 (1977) ; United States v. Bass, 404 U.S. 336 (1971) .

9 E.g., National Commission on Reform of Federal Criminal Laws, Working Papers 1031–1058 (1970), and Final Report 246–247 (1971).


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1 Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898, 937–39 (1997) (quoting 3 Commentaries Sec. 1890, p. 746 (1833)). Justice Scalia, in extra–judicial writing, has sided with the individual rights interpretation of the Amendment. See Antonin Scalia, A Matter of Interpretation, Federal Courts and the Law, 136–37 n.13 (A. Gutmann, ed., 1997) (responding to Professor Tribe’s critique of “my interpretation of the Second Amendment as a guarantee that the federal government will not interfere with the individual’s right to bear arms for self–defense”).


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1. E. Volokh, The Commonplace Second Amendment, 73 N.Y.U. L. REV. 793 (1998); R. 1 Barnett, Was the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Conditioned on Service in an Organized Militia?, 83 TEX. L. REV. 237 (2004); E. Volokh, “Necessary to the Security of a Free State,” 83 NOTRE DAME L. REV. 1 (2007); Note, What Did “Bear Arms” Mean in the Second Amendment?, 6 GEORGETOWN J. L. & PUB. POLICY (2008).

2. 128 S. Ct. 2783 (2008).

3. The “right of the people,” for instance, was found in other places in the Constitu- tion to speak to individual rights, not to collective rights (those that can only be exercised by participation in a corporate body). 128 S. Ct. at 2790-91.

4. 128 S. Ct. at 2791-97.

5. 128 S. Ct. at 2799-2800. Similarly, the phrase “security of a free state” was found to refer not to the defense of a particular state, but to the protection of the national polity. 128 S. Ct. at 2800-01.

6. 128 S. Ct. at 2818.

7. 128 S. Ct. at 2817 n.27 (discussing non-application of rational basis review). See 7 id. at 2850-51 (Breyer, J., dissenting).

8. 130 S. Ct. 3020 (2010).

9. The portion of the opinion finding incorporation was authored by Justice Alito, 9 and joined by Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Scalia and Justice Kennedy. Justice Thomas declined to join the plurality's opinion as regards incorporation under the Due Process Clause. Instead, Justice Thomas, alone among the Justices, would have found that the Second Amendment is applicable to the states under the Privileges or Immunities Clause. For a more detailed discussion of incorporation and the Privileges or Immunities Clause, see supra Bill of Rights, Fourteenth Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment, Privileges or Immunities.

10. Duncan v. Louisiana, 391 U. S. 145, 149 (1968).

11. Washington v. Glucksberg, 521 U. S. 702, 721 (1997)(internal quotation marks omitted).

12. McDonald, 130 S. Ct. At 3036 (noting that Blackstone had asserted that the right to keep and bear arms was “one of the fundamental rights of Englishmen”).

13. 130 S. Ct. at 3037-38.

14. 130 S. Ct. at 3132-3133 (Breyer, J., dissenting).
 
The main reason why the 2nd Amendment was written was to continue state run militias and indirectly prevent the military from being able to have tyranny over its citizens.....

Britian had martial law over the colonies.....and basically bullied them at will.

So if the citizens don t have access to military grade weapons.....

Isn t that in direct violation to what the second amendment was intended to do?

and if so wouldn t you need 2/3 of Congress to overturn this amendment?

That is pretty much it but for some reasons certain liberal groups are trying to change the definition so that it applies to hunters so that they can continue to feed their families. (Loose interpretation) It will be interesting how all this plays out in the future. In my opinion the only changes that need to be made is expanded background checks, more comprehensive mental health screenings and procedures, close the private owner loop hole, and vigorously enforce these and current gun laws. I have always felt this way even before all these shootings happened over the past few years.
 
The main reason why the 2nd Amendment was written was to continue state run militias and indirectly prevent the military from being able to have tyranny over its citizens.....

Britian had martial law over the colonies.....and basically bullied them at will.

So if the citizens don t have access to military grade weapons.....

Isn t that in direct violation to what the second amendment was intended to do?

and if so wouldn t you need 2/3 of Congress to overturn this amendment?

If you're gonna go, you kinda have to go all the way, not just part of the way. Your argument hinges on militias. For what you're putting forward to hold weight, the country would need there to be militias. If you want that level of firepower then you'd need to be deemed responsible enough to handle it, much like Switzerland has a very thorough process you need to meet in order to legally handle a gun. If you don't meet those standards then you don't get to own a gun. Would you be willing to live with that?

We're not at that place as a nation. As it stands now, the Supreme Court lays it out that states determine how it's citizens can lawfully obtain a firearm. It's not an absolute right. Your ability to own a gun can be restricted and you can lose that right as well. With each state having it's own policies and a lot of them not fully cooperating on the federal level in providing monitoring and providing records we have a mixed bag of laws and gaps in enforcement. Things should have been tightened up a long time ago and it looks like we're about to take some steps now in that direction.
 
Does anyone really think that civilians should have access and the ability to purchase any and every weapon the military uses though? Live grenades, missiles, nukes, etc?

I support the right to bear arms, but arms is a broad term, and it has to have some limitations. Now, what limitations are ok with me may not be ok with you, and what limitations are ok with you may not be ok with the next guy... I understand that, but I don't think anybody can really suggest that the 2nd amendment should be interpreted to mean that the right to bear arms is the right to bear any and every weapon that can be manufactured.


The main reason why the 2nd Amendment was written was to continue state run militias and indirectly prevent the military from being able to have tyranny over its citizens.....

Britian had martial law over the colonies.....and basically bullied them at will.

So if the citizens don t have access to military grade weapons.....

Isn t that in direct violation to what the second amendment was intended to do?

and if so wouldn t you need 2/3 of Congress to overturn this amendment?
 
The second amendment was created for a well regulated militia. We had no structured military. Every thing has it purpose and time. That time has passed.
There is no need for civilians to have military grade or styled weapons. As a veteran, I know guns are meant for one purpose: To kill, period.

Assault weapons are meant to kill mass numbers.

Now these NRA supporters are mad because the bad Blackman is trying to take away their TOYS and telling them you'll shoot your eye out kid!

And don't come with that I need my assault rifle to hunt either! Tell me the last time, no wait the first time deer came at you and your family strapped with a bushmaster with a 15 round banana clip while you and your fam ate peacefully in the park?

No one is trying to take all your guns, just forcing dumb people to act like they got some gotdamned sense!
 
You can hunt with an AR-15 especially one chambered in the .308 round. A lot of guys go hog hunting with them. Great firearm for that since hogs run in huge packs.


The second amendment was created for a well regulated militia. We had no structured military. Every thing has it purpose and time. That time has passed.
There is no need for civilians to have military grade or styled weapons. As a veteran, I know guns are meant for one purpose: To kill, period.

Assault weapons are meant to kill mass numbers.

Now these NRA supporters are mad because the bad Blackman is trying to take away their TOYS and telling them you'll shoot your eye out kid!

And don't come with that I need my assault rifle to hunt either! Tell me the last time, no wait the first time deer came at you and your family strapped with a bushmaster with a 15 round banana clip while you and your fam ate peacefully in the park?

No one is trying to take all your guns, just forcing dumb people to act like they got some gotdamned sense!
 
If you're gonna go, you kinda have to go all the way, not just part of the way. Your argument hinges on militias. For what you're putting forward to hold weight, the country would need there to be militias. If you want that level of firepower then you'd need to be deemed responsible enough to handle it, much like Switzerland has a very thorough process you need to meet in order to legally handle a gun. If you don't meet those standards then you don't get to own a gun. Would you be willing to live with that?

We're not at that place as a nation. As it stands now, the Supreme Court lays it out that states determine how it's citizens can lawfully obtain a firearm. It's not an absolute right. Your ability to own a gun can be restricted and you can lose that right as well. With each state having it's own policies and a lot of them not fully cooperating on the federal level in providing monitoring and providing records we have a mixed bag of laws and gaps in enforcement. Things should have been tightened up a long time ago and it looks like we're about to take some steps now in that direction.

there are militias in the country....

I will say to you what I will say to the other quotes.

If you want to change the amendment then why not go through the 2/3 Congress and 38 state approval and do it? You may have a point that its unnecessary.....since you say there are no militias...all though the law says a right to have a militia.....

but go through the process....


Does anyone really think that civilians should have access and the ability to purchase any and every weapon the military uses though? Live grenades, missiles, nukes, etc?

I support the right to bear arms, but arms is a broad term, and it has to have some limitations. Now, what limitations are ok with me may not be ok with you, and what limitations are ok with you may not be ok with the next guy... I understand that, but I don't think anybody can really suggest that the 2nd amendment should be interpreted to mean that the right to bear arms is the right to bear any and every weapon that can be manufactured.

But...does that mean that an executive order can tell the citizens that it cannot have a military grade weapon?

I will say to you also.....

If you want to change the amendment then why not go through the 2/3 Congress and 38 state approval and do it? You may have a point that its unnecessary to have a military grade weapon.....

but go through the process....



The second amendment was created for a well regulated militia. We had no structured military. Every thing has it purpose and time. That time has passed.
There is no need for civilians to have military grade or styled weapons. As a veteran, I know guns are meant for one purpose: To kill, period.

Assault weapons are meant to kill mass numbers.

Now these NRA supporters are mad because the bad Blackman is trying to take away their TOYS and telling them you'll shoot your eye out kid!

And don't come with that I need my assault rifle to hunt either! Tell me the last time, no wait the first time deer came at you and your family strapped with a bushmaster with a 15 round banana clip while you and your fam ate peacefully in the park?

No one is trying to take all your guns, just forcing dumb people to act like they got some gotdamned sense!


But...if the constitution says it....and says militia....and it was written to ensure that there can be militias.....

Then if you want to change the amendment then why not go through the 2/3 Congress and 38 state approval and do it? You may have a point that its unnecessary to have a bushmaster to hunt.....

but go through the process....

that is all I m saying....changing the amendment in order to "fit" the times......go through the process....
 
You can hunt with an AR-15 especially one chambered in the .308 round. A lot of guys go hog hunting with them. Great firearm for that since hogs run in huge packs.

I heard that same bullshit on television when they interviewed a red neck in Arkansas.

:smh::smh::smh::smh::smh:
 
I heard that same bullshit on television when they interviewed a red neck in Arkansas.

:smh::smh::smh::smh::smh:

ballscout....

My only thing is that if folks don t want it to exist the way it was written then go through the process and change the amendment....

get the 2/3 of congress and 38 states and do it.....

:dunno:

Its simple....but don t nickel and dime it....with executive orders and bullshit like that....

go through the process....
 
there are militias in the country....

I will say to you what I will say to the other quotes.

If you want to change the amendment then why not go through the 2/3 Congress and 38 state approval and do it? You may have a point that its unnecessary.....since you say there are no militias...all though the law says a right to have a militia.....

but go through the process....




But...does that mean that an executive order can tell the citizens that it cannot have a military grade weapon?

I will say to you also.....

If you want to change the amendment then why not go through the 2/3 Congress and 38 state approval and do it? You may have a point that its unnecessary to have a military grade weapon.....

but go through the process....






But...if the constitution says it....and says militia....and it was written to ensure that there can be militias.....

Then if you want to change the amendment then why not go through the 2/3 Congress and 38 state approval and do it? You may have a point that its unnecessary to have a bushmaster to hunt.....

but go through the process....

that is all I m saying....changing the amendment in order to "fit" the times......go through the process....

it says well regulated militias not the shit in the hills of ruby riidge.

the 2nd amendment doesn't need to be changed since it doesn't specify particular weapons ?

possession over certain arms are already regulated.

they are not proposing do away with the right to bear arms they are regulating that right.


He hasn't banned anything with executive order, those proposals have to be passed by congress..his orders were mostly administrative and procedural in regards to things already on the books.

and the militia stated is
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State

what state militias are there ?

basically the closet thing to a state militia is the national guard .

people scream 2nd amendment and misuse it constantly like they say that the 1st amendment is violated if you are fired .

you can say what you want but there might be consequences.
 
Do you see how dictators rule in other countries???Tha citizens have no guns to fight back.

The very reason why the amendment was written....

britian was iron fisting them.....

they said never again will a government have more firepower and be able to take us over......

so they wrote it 2nd.......it was the 2nd thing they fucking wrote...:lol:

but like I said....if it doesn t apply today....then go through the process......and make it right..
 
I heard that same bullshit on television when they interviewed a red neck in Arkansas.

:smh::smh::smh::smh::smh:

You should YouTube it it's a lot of fun. You can even go on hunts at night with Ar-15s with a guide. You're condemning something you don't even know about. Did you know feral hog populations are growing rapidly? Even moving into neighborhoods.
 
it says well regulated militias not the shit in the hills of ruby riidge.

the 2nd amendment doesn't need to be changed since it doesn't specify particular weapons ?

So couldn t that mean that you can access all?

possession over certain arms are already regulated.

they are not proposing do away with the right to bear arms they are regulating that right.


He hasn't banned anything with executive order, those proposals have to be passed by congress..his orders were mostly administrative and procedural in regards to things already on the books.

and the militia stated is

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State



what state militias are there ?

basically the closet thing to a state militia is the national guard .

people scream 2nd amendment and misuse it constantly like they say that the 1st amendment is violated if you are fired .

you can say what you want but there might be consequences.

So are you saying that its not a militia if its not working in conjunction with the government to keep the state free?
 
That is pretty much it but for some reasons certain liberal groups are trying to change the definition so that it applies to hunters so that they can continue to feed their families. (Loose interpretation) It will be interesting how all this plays out in the future. In my opinion the only changes that need to be made is expanded background checks, more comprehensive mental health screenings and procedures, close the private owner loop hole, and vigorously enforce these and current gun laws. I have always felt this way even before all these shootings happened over the past few years.

If you think about it, people had committed a past crime in their youth are often denied the right to bear arms. The government could use that as a excuse to deny more their right to own a gun. This fact more for African Americans than any other group.
 
there are too many guns out there to get rid of em....and lord knows how many more crossing the border from mehico. i passed by the gun store near my house and usually there is about 5 cars in the parkinglot.....today there were 50. Obama's actions has spooked alot of people and has created a firestorm.
 
The amendment
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

I don t see how that means that people can t own an M-16 if they want to?
 
there are too many guns out there to get rid of em....and lord knows how many more crossing the border from mehico. i passed by the gun store near my house and usually there is about 5 cars in the parkinglot.....today there were 50. Obama's actions has spooked alot of people and has created a firestorm.

It tells you that people don't want a ban. I was at academy earlier. A mom and daughter were buying a handgun and a rifle. Folks love and want guns. I thought a politicians job was to do what it's voters wanted? Obama is doing the opposite. If folks were against guns sales wouldn't be so damn high.
 
You should YouTube it it's a lot of fun. You can even go on hunts at night with Ar-15s with a guide. You're condemning something you don't even know about. Did you know feral hog populations are growing rapidly? Even moving into neighborhoods.

i'm not condemning anything.


i'm saying that it's not a valid argument to not regulate those weapons.

maybe that means there should be a special requirement in that state that would allow ownership or the renting of.

but people also hunt ferral hogs with compound bows...

and the lack of an AR15 would not stop them from hunting either

i'm sure it would also be a blast to use a M16..

And that would apply to people in NY that don't have ferral hogs and a very very very limited rifle hunting
 
So couldn t that mean that you can access all?



So are you saying that its not a militia if its not working in conjunction with the government to keep the state free?

im saying it isn't regulated......

even a home school has to follow regulation..

so it doesn't fit the intent.

a skinhead militia whose purpose is racial anarchy isn't keeping the state free for all.
 
It tells you that people don't want a ban. I was at academy earlier. A mom and daughter were buying a handgun and a rifle. Folks love and want guns. I thought a politicians job was to do what it's voters wanted? Obama is doing the opposite. If folks were against guns sales wouldn't be so damn high.

it means people are misinformed by the gun lobby and are acting out of fear.

the people you saw bought a handgun which isn't even being discussed...was ht rifle a military style that may be involved ?
 
The NRA had 4 million members and AARP has 40 million but you never hear from AARP but anytime the NRA speaks every camera in the world is there.
 
[PDF][/PDF]All this has brought a lot of stupid comments out of people's mouths tall better pray the society your enjoying now because people in the past had the freedom to buy what they felt they needed to buy dont change. Yall really think the government will take care of you if our way of living ever broke Down.

History always repeat itself. Look up the history of England's gun laws :smh:
 
i'm not condemning anything.


i'm saying that it's not a valid argument to not regulate those weapons.

maybe that means there should be a special requirement in that state that would allow ownership or the renting of.

but people also hunt ferral hogs with compound bows...

and the lack of an AR15 would not stop them from hunting either

i'm sure it would also be a blast to use a M16..

And that would apply to people in NY that don't have ferral hogs and a very very very limited rifle hunting

the man said the AR15 is great for culling feral hogs, you bring up hunter using a compound bow... damn that's silly... dude's that hunt with bows are sportsmen and are hunting for meat. The prime purpose of a cull is population control
 
why not an Abrams tank or an Apache helicopter ?

why not LAWS rockets.



but by regulation you already can't have a M16 unless you have a special license.

That s my point......that s the only reason why a cotdamn bitch ass AR 15 exist.....



someone said what about nukes.....

if you have enough land to house the uranium silos......

and you are bad enough to take on the UN army then so be it....

but if you don t have that much gusto....then the natural order will occur....
 
why not an Abrams tank or an Apache helicopter ?

why not LAWS rockets.



but by regulation you already can't have a M16 unless you have a special license.
are you really this blind? that is a very poor argument, the only reason those aren't on the market are for national security /intelligence.

you can't buy an m16, but you can get alternatives, the ar15, and in some opinions a superior rifle like the AK47 and other AK rifles.


you can't buy an Apache (yet), but you can buy gunships from Bell or Sikorsky with air to air or air to ground payloads...

You can't buy an Abrams tank, but you can buy surplus tanks and armaments
Shit you can buy LAWS rockets, jet fighters if you want - all you need is cash
 
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