Sports Debate: Are we TOO forgiving of Ray Lewis involvement in a past murder case?

]Are we TOO forgiving of Ray Lewis involvement in a past murder case?


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Its not like I ever FORGOT but I could understand why the families of the victim feel ignored...

Ray Lewis: Murder case still echoes for Ravens star, families

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BALTIMORE -- For more than a decade, Priscilla Lollar struggled to face the realization that her son had been killed in a brawl outside an Atlanta nightclub.

But these days, her emotions are raw again, as one of the men charged in the slaying -- Baltimore Ravens star Ray Lewis -- attracts national attention for his impending retirement and the team's playoff run.

The brawl in the early morning hours of Jan. 31, 2000, left two young men from Akron, Ohio, dead from stab wounds. Lewis and two acquaintances were charged with murder, but the charge against Lewis was reduced to a less serious one in a plea deal, and his co-defendants were acquitted.

Lewis will retire after the playoffs as the most popular Raven in team history. But his legacy -- Super Bowl MVP, one of the National Football League's best linebackers, two-time defensive player of the year -- will include the footnote of the murder charges. Fans of opposing teams have taunted him by calling him a murderer, and some in the news media are discussing the case again.

Hyperbole over the incident has lessened, but may never fade. News outlets, including National Public Radio, the Orlando Sentinel and the popular sports website Deadspin, have written about it recently in light of Lewis' looming retirement. Opinions cover a wide spectrum, from those who say Lewis should no longer be tied to the murders to those who say the crime victims should not be forgotten.

Lewis and his teammates have said the
experience matured him and made him eager to give back to the community. "Not only did it have a profound effect on the player he became, but it had a profound effect on the person he became," former teammate Shannon Sharpe said, noting Lewis' charitable work.

Lewis would not comment recently when asked about the incident. His trial attorney, Max Richardson, said this week that it should be left in the past because his client's name was cleared.

But if Lewis will be remembered as a hero by many fans in Baltimore and around the nation -- his No. 52 has been the top-selling NFL jersey recently -- in Akron, Priscilla Lollar tries to move on without thinking about him.

"I never did acknowledge (my son) being dead until last year," she said this week. "I wouldn't have wanted to live. I always felt that he was in Atlanta and he would be home soon and would call me soon. It was like that for years."

The Lollars have not been able to watch Lewis play on TV, and they maintain that his money and power gave him an advantage at trial.

"How can you understand something that is senseless?" Priscilla Lollar said. "There was no justice in anything. ..."

Thirteen years ago this month, Lewis and his friends were celebrating at a posh nightclub after Super Bowl XXXIV, won by the St. Louis Rams over the Tennessee Titans.

The group included Joseph Sweeting, 34, a music producer and promoter whom Lewis knew from his time at the University of Miami, and Reginald Oakley, 31, a former barber from Baltimore.

Richard Lollar and Jacinth Baker, childhood friends who had moved from Akron to the Atlanta area, were also partying at the Cobalt Lounge.

The two groups spilled out onto the streets about 3:30 a.m., and a member of Baker and Lollar's group traded words with Oakley.

"A Moet bottle smashed into the side of my head. ... I swung and he swung back and all hell broke loose around us," Oakley wrote in "Memories of Murder," a self-published book whose account mirrors trial testimony about the start of the street fight.

Amid the brawl, Lollar and Baker were stabbed and bled to death on the street. Someone fired shots at Lewis' limo as his group sped away.

Police arrested Lewis before the day was over, and the linebacker cried as he was read his rights.

Priscilla Lollar remembers her son as a creative child who liked to draw and sing. The oldest of nine, he was a talented barber whose brothers and sisters looked up to him, she said.

"You just wouldn't believe it," she said. "People would come for him to cut their hair, I would listen to them offering him $100 just to give them a fade."

Atlanta was supposed to be a new start for Baker and Lollar. Lollar had pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges of marijuana possession. At the time of his death, Baker was being sought by police on charges of possession of cocaine and driving with an open container of alcohol; he had previously pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of improperly handling a firearm.

Lollar was 24 when he was killed, Baker just 21. Lollar had gone to Atlanta to work as a barber in a friend's shop, part of a wave of Akron men who went to the city at that time, his mother said. Richard's fiancee was pregnant, and his daughter, India, was born a couple of months after his death.

Baker's parents died before he was killed; an aunt, Vondie Boykin, declined to be interviewed about the brawl and its aftermath.

Priscilla Lollar said both families, and the mother of Richard's daughter, are trying to move on. They still don't know exactly what happened that night.

"I was in the dark on a lot of things," said Lollar. She said she did not attend the trial, although other members of the family went.

The trial in Fulton County did not go well for prosecutors. Some outside experts said at the time that the prosecution was sloppy and the charges against Lewis, Sweeting and Oakley had been rushed. Others noted that witnesses had changed their stories.

Two weeks into the trial, prosecutors agreed to drop the murder charges against Lewis if he would plead guilty to a charge of obstruction of justice and testify against Sweeting and Oakley, who had criminal records that included convictions for theft, burglary and resisting arrest. The obstruction-of-justice charge was related to Lewis' telling those who left in the limo after the fight that they should keep quiet about the incident.

Lewis testified that he tried to stop the fight and that Sweeting and Oakley bought knives the day before they ended up at the nightclub. Lewis testified that he asked Oakley later what happened. "I said this is all on me," Lewis told the court. "My career is over because you guys tripping."

After less than six hours of deliberation, the jury acquitted Sweeting and Oakley; neither man could be reached for comment for this article. Lewis had a year of probation for the misdemeanor charge and was fined $250,000 by the National Football League for violating its conduct policy.

Sharpe, a Hall of Famer who joined the Ravens soon after Lewis was arrested, said this week that the two talked on numerous occasions that year about the experience.

"I'm sure he felt bad that two men lost their lives, tragically," Sharpe said. "His name will forever be attached to that. I told him ... a great portion of people will always remember you for what transpired in Atlanta; you can't change that, no matter if you win 10 Super Bowls."

Faye Lollar, Richard's aunt, says of Lewis: "I had to forgive him to start my life and live my life. Richard was a big part of our lives, for him to be taken so harsh, it was just devastating. Everybody's trying to go on with their lives. Ray don't even cross our minds."

Priscilla Lollar says justice will come eventually. "I trust in God that he's going to take care of it," she said. "I can't do nothing about it."

A few years after the incident, Lewis settled civil lawsuits with both families. Richard Lollar's daughter received about $1 million, according to news reports; the Bakers' settlement was not disclosed publicly. Police consider the case closed.

Lewis helped lead the Ravens to a Super Bowl win in the season that followed the trial, and he has been widely praised for his charitable work. His Ray Lewis 52 Foundation has, among other things, distributed food and school supplies to Baltimore families.

Ravens senior vice president of public and community relations Kevin Byrne declined to comment this week about the Atlanta incident, saying that the case has been resolved.

When approached in the team locker room after practice Thursday by a USA Today reporter, Lewis wasn't happy about the topic being broached. He declined to discuss it, saying, "Really, really. Why would I talk about that? That was 13 years ago."

In a 2010 interview with the Baltimore Sun, however, Lewis opened up about the killings.

"I'm telling you, no day leaves this Earth without me asking God to ease the pain of anybody who was affected by that whole ordeal," he said. "He's a God who tests people -- not that he put me in that situation, because he didn't make me go nowhere. I put myself in that situation.

"But if I had to go through all of that over again ... I wouldn't change a thing. Couldn't. The end result is who I am now."

Former teammate Sharpe noted that Disney, the company that passed over Lewis for a Super Bowl MVP commercial in 2001, is involved in a post-retirement deal with him. ESPN, a Disney subsidiary, will hire Lewis as an NFL commentator, according to news reports.

"That shows you how someone can rehabilitate their life," Sharpe said. "I'm sure there are some people that still dislike Ray for what transpired in Atlanta, but I know a different Ray Lewis."

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Are we TOO forgiving of Ray Lewis involvement in a past murder case?
 
In this cover story article, Ray admits that he has to watch his back for the rest of his life because of this night.

He didn't get off scott free and has the label of a snitch attached to him.

Having said that he turned his life around, let it be.


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HE didn't do it, it was proven. Why would Ray Lewis have to stab somebody
in a fight? He could have bull dozed all them dudes. The one that was bodied was 160lbs.
It was knuckle heads that was around him (which he ain't really know, friends of friends),
the family trying to link him cause of the money aspect.
 
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Fuck the Walters who are playing "holier-than-though" with this shit. Some jackers were killed. Their sole purpose was to rob folks and come up. They thought it was one way and .........

[insert Marlo pic]
 
After a while you just have to let it go unless your a doofus like O.J. and rub it in their face.

Ray have turned his life around from what it seems. He talks very positive. I don't know the man outside the football field.....
 
HE didn't do it, it was proven. Why would Ray Lewis have to stab somebody
in a fight? He could have bull dozed all them dudes. They one that was bodied was 160lbs.
It was knuckle heads that was around him (which he ain't really know, friends of friends),
the family trying to link him cause of the money aspect.

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HE didn't do it, it was proven. Why would Ray Lewis have to stab somebody
in a fight? He could have bull dozed all them dudes. They one that was bodied was 160lbs.
It was knuckle heads that was around him (which he ain't really know, friends of friends),
the family trying to link him cause of the money aspect.

All of this.
 
Well he didn't personally stab anyone but he definitely had a role. Everyone said that Ray Lewis had on a all white suit that nite that has not been recovered until this day. I dont think the victims were innocent in this story, hell the true story went to the grave with them. (by the way i dont trust the Reginald Oakley dude because he is trying to sell a book/clear his name....

I know that anytime a fool cant speak without invoking God's name every 3 seconds, something is up. Pastor Lewis stay preaching.
 
If he murdered those dudes his ass would be in jail right now...but he didn't, so no, we aren't too forgiving of anything. Anytime a black athlete is involved in something bad the media tries to tattoo an asterisk next to all of their accomplishments
 
thats why you gotta leave certain niggaz behind your boys will get you into some shit.


I feel bad for the family but im trying to find out how all this get pegged on LEWIS when his boys started and ended the fight.

Well guilty by association so lesson learned leave your boys back in the hood if they dont know how to act
 
If he was a crakka his involvement in this murder would always be brought up along with funny ass pics to boot. Like someone said before, I'm leary of anyone who can't say three words without saying Jesus name. :smh:


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So Donte Stallworth kills someone while driving drunk, and it's not a big deal? Maybe we just too forgiving.:rolleyes:
 
Let that man ride into the sunset. Will never let a black man live down past transgressions. But will let a white man beat his wife, while another wish his wife get rape by a pack of niggas and he is just misunderstood.
 
He wasn't involved with anyone's death. He didn't stab anyone nor did he order anyone to be stabbed. The only reason he testified was because he was the only one that really had something to lose. Why would anyone expect him to sacrifice his career for someone else's stupid actions? And the guys that were killed weren't chiorboys either. Stupid fight lead to them dying. Both sisdes could have avoided it. Therefore there is nothing to forgive on Lewis' part. The media needs to leave him alone.
 
ray didn't do shit
he shouldn't have been attached to any of it
he didn't stab anyone
he is a grown man like the other 4 people involved, he isn't responsible for them men.
he didn't order a hit
he was there when his people killed somebody.

there's nothing we need to forgive him for.

he did nothing wrong
and its bullshit to even try and put this on him
 
The "victims" shouldn't have started a fight they couldn't win. The part of the story that's been forgotten, is that the "victims" were harassing this one chick, and she was afraid to walk to her car alone. She went up to a group of guys to ask them to walk with her, and that group just happened to be Lewis' crew. After they agreed, the "victims" started calling them sucker ass niggas and the like. After that, shit went waaaay left.
 
it was well known around ATL and especially Ohio (where the brothers were kicked out of) that the brothers were complete menace's to society……the mother being a mother of course wont admit that her sons were complete fuck ups…..

and yes a judge kicked them out of Ohio.
 
did not personally stab anyone, went to court as a informant, paid 250K to the NFL, and 1million to each child of the dead,

all for something he did not actually do, 13yrs ago....man let that shit go..He paid the costs for ad associations, and turned his life around

why does one bad event have to define a persons entire life
 
Whats not talked about is who shot up Ray's limo as they were leaving? Nobody ever got charged for that...those Ohio dudes crew had pistols...they just got the bad end of it that day.
 
HE didn't do it, it was proven. Why would Ray Lewis have to stab somebody
in a fight? He could have bull dozed all them dudes. They one that was bodied was 160lbs.
It was knuckle heads that was around him (which he ain't really know, friends of friends),
the family trying to link him cause of the money aspect.

I agree. Ray's fault was to be associated with idiots that perpretrated as his friends. He had no reason or desire to kill anybody. It was his friends and he panicked.
 
Ben didn't rape no women...none of those bitches wanted to press charges:hmm:


Kats ain't gave a damn about this shit for the past what 10+ years....but now you want to care about it

Why are you getting offended like he is your son? The 2nd girl was passed out drunk her friends were the 1's that said he drugged her into a room with an undercover cop guarding the door. Have you ever heard of a payoff? I think he did do it and the NFL told ESPN and NFL Network not to talk about it.
 
No it was admitted that the man was in the wrong for jumping out in the middle of the street....Stallworth just happened to be drunk

Stallworth lied and said the man was lying dead in the middle of the street when he turned he corner so how can it be he jumped in front of the car?
 
No it was admitted that the man was in the wrong for jumping out in the middle of the street....Stallworth just happened to be drunk

Oh okay I got it...Stallworth just happened to be drunk...He just happened to be driving...and he just happened to hit someone while driving drunk...WoW:smh::smh:
 
Well he didn't personally stab anyone but he definitely had a role. Everyone said that Ray Lewis had on a all white suit that nite that has not been recovered until this day. I dont think the victims were innocent in this story, hell the true story went to the grave with them. (by the way i dont trust the Reginald Oakley dude because he is trying to sell a book/clear his name....

I know that anytime a fool cant speak without invoking God's name every 3 seconds, something is up. Pastor Lewis stay preaching.

I tend to agree with you. Sometimes it seems like he tries too hard.

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After a while you just have to let it go unless your a doofus like O.J. and rub it in their face.

Ray have turned his life around from what it seems. He talks very positive. I don't know the man outside the football field.....

Dude is cool. The wife and I met him in an Hunt Valley Embassy Suites elevator with his "companion". Signed my kids' shirt and talked a little before they got off. Wished him luck and told him we're a Skins family though! :lol:
 
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