Homeland Discussion Thread (All Seasons)

[Nobody]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

Again, if the terrorist had a copy why go through so much to get it from Saul at the airport?

Why are you people acting like there is no mole?

They get it from Saul, and it becomes heresy.

Saul will just look like a nut.

Not very difficult to grasp.

 

[BlackArsenic]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

They get it from Saul, and it becomes heresy.

Saul will just look like a nut.

Not very difficult to grasp.

what the hell are you talking about?

 

[Nobody]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

what the hell are you talking about?

Man, you're slow.

If they confiscated the memory stick from Saul, he'll have no proof of Brody being a terrorist. So it'll be heresy. Ifnhe went to Carrie, all he'd be doing is backing up a person who's out the CIA for schizophrenia! So who would believe him?

Hence, having the actual ad card with the PROOF being the absolute truth that sets everything in motion.

Do you think Estes will sign off on everything he did, including reinstating Carrie without the PROOF Saul shows them?

 

[BlackArsenic]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

That the dumbest shit I've read tonight. I'm actually going to bed because of that shit.

 

[gdatruth]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

Again, if the terrorist had a copy why go through so much to get it from Saul at the airport?

Why are you people acting like there is no mole?

i think you are getting unneccesarily too caught up on the airport detainment. If i recall correctly Saul left ASAP to tell Carrie in person she was right without going through the normal protocols. Perhaps they were simply giving him a hard time cause he was a Jewish US intelligence agent in a hostile country the same way earlier in the 1st season they were tailing him. At the time he aint have any info but they were still keeping an eye on him.

the authorities that detained him were proably muslim and anti-american but that doesnt they were working for Nazir or knew what Saul had. The only person that proably knew it was missing the 2nd in command Nazir was visiting and i think he got killed by a sniper.

I have a hard time buying that the disk that incriminates a US congressman went from a rock in DC all the way to Beirut with an underling without copies being made as a contingency plan. Perhaps the contingency plan was to frame him with his own tape. If they did know and worked for Nazir Brody's cover would've be blown from the jump.

regarding the mole i dont know and i dont care. Not sure why ppl so caught up on that. Even if there is a mole its no one from season 1 so its irrelevat as far as I'm concerned. To my understanding their are moles intelligence agencies that go for years without getting caught or outted.

 

[^SpiderMan^]

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I BEEN told yall Saul was dirty.

1.) He is Muslim.Remember him praying in his office last season? They make most of the Muslims dirty.
2.) He genuinely looked sad at Nasir's funeral
3.) Why was he at the funeral?
4.) Why did he care so much if Brody was killed? He called him a terrorist and never liked him.
5.) Who else had the video on standby? He gave the guys at the airport a BS copy.
6.) I STILL haven't forgot about him failing that lie detector test.

Dude is dirty and now the head of the CIA.I predict that assassin dude feeling responsible for letting Brody live and hunting him down all next season.

 

[Nobody]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

*logs out due to idiocy*

 

[GAMETHEORY]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

Homeland right now to me is nothing but a better acted Covert Affairs, where the entire Central Intelligence Agency appears to revolve around one blonde super-agent who is "the best" because the plot says so. Everyone who doesn't like her or worship the ground she walks over is Evil and Must Die, and everyone else thinks that she's the best thing since sliced bread.

Personally, it's not a matter of Carrie's personal and professional lives, as somebody upthread mentioned. Brody is a confessed terrorist. He is part of Carrie's professional life, not his personal life. Even after Nazir died, he was part of Carrie's professional life: a terrorist cannot be allowed to remain a US congressman, no matter how repentant he is. And he would remain part of Carrie's professional life, because he was a terrorist and he is a terrorist: a man who put on a suicide vest and tried to blow up most of the Joint Chiefs and the NSC. And so Carrie fell in love with a terrorist and after less than a year decided to throw away her career for him. That's a hell of a gamble, Carrie, because amazingly enough love does not indeed conquer all.

And the worst bit is, the only reason why she was allowed to remain within close proximity with him is a series of contrivances that made her the only CIA officer able to rub two brain cells together.

 

[GAMETHEORY]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

I BEEN told yall Saul was dirty.

1.) He is Muslim.Remember him praying in his office last season? They make most of the Muslims dirty.
2.) He genuinely looked sad at Nasir's funeral
3.) Why was he at the funeral?
4.) Why did he care so much if Brody was killed? He called him a terrorist and never liked him.
5.) Who else had the video on standby? He gave the guys at the airport a BS copy.
6.) I STILL haven't forgot about him failing that lie detector test.

Dude is dirty and now the head of the CIA.I predict that assassin dude feeling responsible for letting Brody live and hunting him down all next season.

Did you know that one of CIA's biggest asset are Muslims?

Unless you dont understand how it works.

 

[BenQ]

I thought Saul was a Jew

 

[RoomService]

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I thought Saul was a Jew

correct.

The revelation is only Saul’s introduction. In one of the show’s brilliant scenes, Saul takes Aileen to the remnants of the makeshift synagogue in rural Indiana where he and his family prayed. He tells Aileen of the strict orders not to assimilate and his dutiful obedience to the prohibition on singing Christmas carols. He hated the synagogue—it was the reason why he was “different, strange, isolated.” “I’d gladly say their prayers, sing their songs,” Saul tells Aileen, “I just wanted to not be alone.” Saul grew up Jewish where that identity engendered alienation. Though as a child he may have wanted to simply blend in, as an adult, Saul ended up where many American Jews do: intermarried and non-observant, but with an intense cultural affinity and Jewish identity.

http://www.jewcy.com/arts-and-culture/network-jews-saul-berenson-from-showtimes-homeland

 

[keone]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

I hope Peter Quinn shots at Brody misses and hits this whiny, annoying, emo wench.

I hope Abdul Nazir straps a bomb on her back and send her to the mall so she can explode in the gap.

 

[Complex]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

@people getting run out

Not sure what to make of that episode

I hate that it seems to be developing in to some sort of love story

The Saul shit left me puzzled. His wife is coming back and he's in charge?

Brody's SUV just sitting there over by itself...it didn't even seem like a parking spot at the CIA

 

[Mr. Met]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

Damn, why did they kill Estes?

@ Quinn sonning him, but still.

I really thought Brody was changing, is he that devious and psychotic?

But then that's how Carrie likes them.

Shit they got Brody mercking 200+ people so I guess he'll be on the run all next season.

 

[Complex]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

This show had so much promise and went down so quick

When I reminisce about this season I just

 

[Nobody]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

Damn, why did they kill Estes?

@ Quinn sonning him, but still.

I really thought Brody was changing, is he that devious and psychotic?

But then that's how Carrie likes them.

Shit they got Brody mercking 200+ people so I guess he'll be on the run all next season.

Killing Estes legitimizes his point of view. He was played almost as a bad guy, but in reality he was just as good as the "good guys"

Covering up everything by killing Brody would save Estes from potential trouble of working with a terrorist, but he too cared about preventing an attack enough to even sign off in that. But the bigger point is that by thing up loose ends he saves the American public from crushing news, that an American veteran became a terrorist.

If Quinn does his job, Estes successfully oversaw the thwarting of a terrorist attack, the death of the worlds most wanted terrorist and cleans everything up.

Now we know, if Quinn does his job, 250 people including Estes survives. By not doing his job, he affirms what Estes believes, so I can see Quinn going on the hunt for Brody. Innocent or not, it was Brody's car that blew up and if Quinn completed his task that terrorist attack never happens. I can see Quinn going after him just off GP.

 

[Complex]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

That Quinn shit

Even though Brody was going to kill dozens, he was really a misunderstood good guy who is now working for good. Estes who wanted to kill a fucking traitor was really the bad guy. That scene was some shit I expected from Justified. Some shit you do to your local lawman, because he really has no power and can't do shit. You do this to a director in the CIA. Someone who just kept Saul locked up for three days and could have easily ended his career

That was one of the silliest fuckin scenes I've ever seen on TV

 

[Count23]

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That Quinn shit

Even though Brody was going to kill dozens, he was really a misunderstood good guy who is now working for good. Estes who wanted to kill a fucking traitor was really the bad guy. That scene was some shit I expected from Justified. Some shit you do to your local lawman, because he really has no power and can't do shit. You do this to a director in the CIA. Someone who just kept Saul locked up for three days and could have easily ended his career

That was one of the silliest fuckin scenes I've ever seen on TV

yea, i was like wtf? doesn't he realize that estes could send someone after him as well?

 

[AllState17]

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This show is so upside down it borderline ruins it for me.

It has so much potential but cant get out of its own way.

When Saul said to Carrie that she is both the smartest and the dumbest person he ever met, Im thinking that this is exactly how I feel about the show.

 

[mathtest]

That Quinn shit

Even though Brody was going to kill dozens, he was really a misunderstood good guy who is now working for good. Estes who wanted to kill a fucking traitor was really the bad guy. That scene was some shit I expected from Justified. Some shit you do to your local lawman, because he really has no power and can't do shit. You do this to a director in the CIA. Someone who just kept Saul locked up for three days and could have easily ended his career

That was one of the silliest fuckin scenes I've ever seen on TV

Agreed

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

yea, i was like wtf? doesn't he realize that estes could send someone after him as well?

right. director of cia. scared of 1 dude who he could have killed.

cool finale i guess.
maybe now they're separated we can get back to action and now mushy love scenes.

saul is going to get to the bottom of this.

i fully believe the tape was released by the u.s. though and not by the terrorist group.

 

[RoomService]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

right. director of cia. scared of 1 dude who he could have killed.

cool finale i guess.
maybe now they're separated we can get back to action and now mushy love scenes.

saul is going to get to the bottom of this.

i fully believe the tape was released by the u.s. though and not by the terrorist group.

Director of the Counter-terrorism Center of the CIA. David Estes was not the head of the Cia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterterrorism_Center

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

Director of the Counter-terrorism Center of the CIA. David was not the head of the Cia

he was high enough to have him killed and have nobody blink.

 

[RoomService]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

he was high enough to have him killed and have nobody blink.

perhaps

Guess who the man is now..... Saul "Remember when David Estes make it clear Carrie would never work for the CIA again? so how was Saul going to get her that job he promised her

 

[BenQ]

This show is so upside down it borderline ruins it for me.

It has so much potential but cant get out of its own way.

When Saul said to Carrie that she is both the smartest and the dumbest person he ever met, Im thinking that this is exactly how I feel about the show.

The show feels like a soap opera , this season at least


And season 1 was really good

 

[hussla's paradice]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

Flat out CONFUSED.

 

[Radeon]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

amazon has season 1 right now for 19.99 while supplies last

Season 1

 

[BlackArsenic]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

right. director of cia. scared of 1 dude who he could have killed.

cool finale i guess.
maybe now they're separated we can get back to action and now mushy love scenes.

saul is going to get to the bottom of this.

i fully believe the tape was released by the u.s. though and not by the terrorist group.

Let's say that was true. Count how many people actually knew about that tape. My question is how come the secret service was at the Brody home before the tape was released. It was way too soon to confirm he didn't die in the explosion. Why were they looking for him when it was confirmed he was at the ceremony. I know they found his car as the source of the bomb but still.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

Let's say that was true. Count how many people actually knew about that tape. My question is how come the secret service was at the Brody home before the tape was released. It was way too soon to confirm he didn't die in the explosion. Why were they looking for him when it was confirmed he was at the ceremony. I know they found his car as the source of the bomb but still.

We don't really know how many people knew about the tape though. When they arrived it looked like they were looking for evidence anything at all the point to him having something to do with the bombing. They didn't ask where HE was they said they needed to search the house.

The agent even went back and forth with the daughter about details of the conversation they had and she alluded to Brody not doing it because he didn't say goodbye for good. The agent then asked how did she know that for sure?

They still don't know if he's alive or dead...even at the end of the episode because they're still pulling out bodies. Remember they thought carrie was dead up to the point where she presented herself in the room with saul at the end. They only know that it was his truck, and then whoever orchestrated it put out the tape. The tape that we don't know how many people actually had a copy of. As far as everyone is concerned Brody is a terrorist, he bombed the place and died for the cause that the suicide tape that he left mentioned.

They won't even know he's alive until WAY later and he's long gone and they confirm the identity of all of the hundreds of bodies that they have to go through and identify.

 

[BlackArsenic]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

We don't really know how many people knew about the tape though. When they arrived it looked like they were looking for evidence anything at all the point to him having something to do with the bombing. They didn't ask where HE was they said they needed to search the house.

The agent even went back and forth with the daughter about details of the conversation they had and she alluded to Brody not doing it because he didn't say goodbye for good. The agent then asked how did she know that for sure?

They still don't know if he's alive or dead...even at the end of the episode because they're still pulling out bodies. Remember they thought carrie was dead up to the point where she presented herself in the room with saul at the end. They only know that it was his truck, and then whoever orchestrated it put out the tape. The tape that we don't know how many people actually had a copy of. As far as everyone is concerned Brody is a terrorist, he bombed the place and died for the cause that the suicide tape that he left mentioned.

They won't even know he's alive until WAY later and he's long gone and they confirm the identity of all of the hundreds of bodies that they have to go through and identify.

That's ass-backwards if you ask me. You go to someone's house to look for them when their last known location was at the bombing site? They were tipped off by someone. Also, I doubt that a lot knew of Brodys tape. One, he was still in good comms with the VP before he died. That lets me know that his secret was on a need to know basis otherwise I doubt he would be able to get that close,especially alone. Two I doubt Estes would consider the execution of Brody knowing it could somehow be leaked back to him if it was too well known.

I know there a mole, it may or may not be Saul. Even if he's not the mole I wouldn't be surprise if he orchestrated the whole bombing. That convo with Quinns boss when he ask Saul, if "he's still afraid to get his hands dirty" Saul had that wait see look. That bombing benefits Saul the most. Gets rid of Estes Brody and promotes his Protege. Just saying...

 

[RoomService]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

That's ass-backwards if you ask me. You go to someone's house to look for them when their last known location was at the bombing site? They were tipped off by someone. Also, I doubt that a lot knew of Brodys tape. One, he was still in good comms with the VP before he died. That lets me know that his secret was on a need to know basis otherwise I doubt he would be able to get that close,especially alone. Two I doubt Estes would consider the execution of Brody knowing it could somehow be leaked back to him if it was too well known.

I know there a mole, it may or may not be Saul. Even if he's not the mole I wouldn't be surprise if he orchestrated the whole bombing. That convo with Quinns boss when he ask Saul, if "he's still afraid to get his hands dirty" Saul had that wait see look. That bombing benefits Saul the most. Gets rid of Estes Brody and promotes his Protege. Just saying...

bingo... Saul's in charge now.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

That's ass-backwards if you ask me. You go to someone's house to look for them when their last known location was at the bombing site? They were tipped off by someone. Also, I doubt that a lot knew of Brodys tape. One, he was still in good comms with the VP before he died. That lets me know that his secret was on a need to know basis otherwise I doubt he would be able to get that close,especially alone. Two I doubt Estes would consider the execution of Brody knowing it could somehow be leaked back to him if it was too well known.

they weren't looking for brody
they were not looking for him physically man. they were there looking for evidence.

I know there a mole, it may or may not be Saul. Even if he's not the mole I wouldn't be surprise if he orchestrated the whole bombing. That convo with Quinns boss when he ask Saul, if "he's still afraid to get his hands dirty" Saul had that wait see look. That bombing benefits Saul the most. Gets rid of Estes Brody and promotes his Protege. Just saying...

im not ruling saul out, after the shit he just got put through i don't doubt he wouldn't eliminate everyone who had dirt on him and take charge while framing someone he felt was useless and who he didn't want carrie to be with at the same time.
it makes sense.

 

[The Technician]

Somewhat off topic, but I'm surprised the President didn't get roasted with all of them. It was a memorial for his VP, so you think he would be there, front and center.

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[keone]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

Somewhat off topic, but I'm surprised the President didn't get roasted with all of them. It was a memorial for his VP, so you think he would be there, front and center.

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[BlackArsenic]

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Somewhat off topic, but I'm surprised the President didn't get roasted with all of them. It was a memorial for his VP, so you think he would be there, front and center.

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Truthfully I think that would of made the story line too difficult for the producers to handle. No one cares if you kill Biden, but if you kill Obama it's a whole different game if you see what I'm saying.