Homeland Discussion Thread (All Seasons)

[M3MD]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

I believe he was framed because if he was going to do it I don't think he would have made it so obvious, he would have at least died in the explosion with everyone else.

However when they kidnapped him and left the truck at the side of the road Carrie and the rest of the C.I.A. were there and had eyes on it so there is no way they could have done it then.

What I'm wondering is if it was Quinn and more importantly his boss who Saul met with (Dar Adai) who had something to do with it and decided to let Brody live and set him up.

It made no sense to me that Quinn was ready to murk Brody this whole time and was even in the woods apparently seconds away from doing it and then suddenly he not only decides to let Brody live but threatens to kill Estes if he tries to have him killed

Something is off about that to me.

Interesting....you could be right

But yeah...I forgot the CIA was on to them leaving in the chopper

 

[BlackArsenic]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

oh shit thats the Nazir they told us about.
Brody had to have been the trigger man as the last man standing

How could Brody be the trigger man when Cary is the one who told him to leave with her? That would of meant she was the one behind it. Also he's not the one who moved his car there, someone else did. Also I'm mad this the end of another season and the mole still hasn't been exposed.

 

[gdatruth]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

I believe he was framed because if he was going to do it I don't think he would have made it so obvious, he would have at least died in the explosion with everyone else.

However when they kidnapped him and left the truck at the side of the road Carrie and the rest of the C.I.A. were there and had eyes on it so there is no way they could have done it then.

if you want to make the case the Brody was in on out you can use the meeting in the office. Brody was ready to take one for the team but it was Carrie that pulled him away. She decided to be with him and noted he was sad. Maybe he aint wanna be responsible for the death of the one person who loves and him and the one person he loves. Perhaps he was having 2nd thoughts like he did last time and at the last moment gave Carrie a heads up to plant the seed that it wasnt him.

 

[gdatruth]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

How could Brody be the trigger man when Cary is the one who told him to leave with her? That would of meant she was the one behind it. Also he's not the one who moved his car there, someone else did. Also I'm mad this the end of another season and the mole still hasn't been exposed.

when i said trigger man i didnt mean literal trigger man but simply the last 'terrorist' that we knew of that was unaccounted for. Every other terrorist is dead or in custody except for Brody

i think its pretty open ended and could make a case for both sides. i think its a great idea to allow ppl to come to their own conclusions while we wait for next season

 

[BlackArsenic]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

On second thought maybe Saul is the mole. He is Muslim and he's the only one alive that would have knowledge of most of the ops that were tainted. Plus conveniently he wasn't at the cermony for the VP but was at the cermony for Abu Nazir.

 

[M3MD]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

On second thought maybe Saul is the mole. He is Muslim and he's the only one alive that would have knowledge of most of the ops that were tainted. Plus conveniently he wasn't at the cermony for the VP but was at the cermony for Abu Nazir.

I thought Saul was a Jew?

 

[gdatruth]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

I thought Saul was a Jew?

yeah i think he is jewish

 

[BlackArsenic]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

yeah i think he is jewish

So that wasn't a pray to Allah at the end?

Also isn't Brody a Muslim?

 

[AgentCreed]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

So that wasn't a pray to Allah at the end?

Also isn't Brody a Muslim?

It was a Jewish prayer for the dead.

 

[gdatruth]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

Also isn't Brody a Muslim?

yeah he was praying when Quinn contemplated taking him out.


speaking of Quinn they got alot of explaining to do.
he went from wanting to cap Brody to potentially giving him a pass and inadverently setting a domestic terrorist event.

 

[BlackArsenic]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

yeah he was praying when Quinn contemplated taking him out.


speaking of Quinn they got alot of explaining to do.
he went from wanting to cap Brody to potentially giving him a pass and inadverently setting a domestic terrorist event.

He didn't want to cap Brody he was assigned to. And his conscience kicked in. And also, all that's left is Saul, Cary and that Muslim dude that got shot so whose the mole?

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

On second thought maybe Saul is the mole. He is Muslim and he's the only one alive that would have knowledge of most of the ops that were tainted. Plus conveniently he wasn't at the cermony for the VP but was at the cermony for Abu Nazir.

Naw Saul's Jewish and was locked up for over 3 days so I doubt he would have been able to set everything up in time. He may not have even known the time of the V.P.'s ceremony.

In addition I don't think Saul has it in him to potentially kill Carrie, especially knowing she was going to the ceremony for the V.P. and would be there. He seemed genuinely sick when he thought she was dead and he was calling her, and he was by himself when he did it so it wasn't like it was for show for anyone.

 

[gdatruth]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

He didn't want to cap Brody he was assigned to. And his conscience kicked in. And also, all that's left is Saul, Cary and that Muslim dude that got shot so whose the mole?

I thought ppl in his line of work didnt have consciences. He was gonna do it in the limo. The only thing that remotely makes any sense if he wasnt ordered to by the dude on the bus, is that he was happy to see Carrie happy and didnt want to take that away from her.

but we may never find out who the mole is or might be a character we havent seen yet. Even if its Quinn or his boss the mole was introduced in season 1 one and all the main suspects from that season have been vetted. It isnt Carrie, Estes is dead, pretty sure it aint Saul and the other dude with the stitches doesnt appear to the mole (unless they pull a double swerve)

 

[BlackArsenic]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

I thought ppl in his line of work didnt have consciences. He was gonna do it in the limo. The only thing that remotely makes any sense if he wasnt ordered to by the dude on the bus, is that he was happy to see Carrie happy and didnt want to take that away from her.

but we may never find out who the mole is or might be a character we havent seen yet. Even if its Quinn or his boss the mole was introduced in season 1 one and all the main suspects from that season have been vetted. It isnt Carrie, Estes is dead, pretty sure it aint Saul and the other dude with the stitches doesnt appear to the mole (unless they pull a double swerve)

I doubt its the stitches guy either. He was in the hospital when most the shit was happening and it ain't Quinn since like you said the mole was from season 1. So again, all that's left is Cary and Saul. And just because you're a mole doesn't mean you know everything. I.E Brody with the sniper dude.

 

[yaBoi]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

Ok ima have to sleep on this shit..


It's is completely not what I was expecting... In my opinion this is how season one should have ended. Now they will just play it in reverse ... Instead of carrie trying to prove he's a terrorist now she will clear his name? Brody should be dead. So who is the person that's going to find out he killed the vice pres.


I don't know... I still like carrie's character. But the Brody story is played.

 

[bborn]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

peace

yeah he was praying when Quinn contemplated taking him out.


speaking of Quinn they got alot of explaining to do.
he went from wanting to cap Brody to potentially giving him a pass and inadvertently setting a domestic terrorist event.

ehhh

The way I saw it, Quinn could have popped Brody anytime he wanted to.
Estes told Saul is was HIS mission.
I felt him when he said killing Brody meant killing Carie (mentally, physically, simultaneously, does it matter, she'd be 'dead')
& as a soldier/killer/agent, doesnt see the purpose in that.

Also when Quinn had to step close to Estes in his bedroom to let him know how he truly felt b4 allowing any change of heart shit to occur.


So is Saul's character Muslim, feeling nostalgic or on some mole-ish shit especially with that extra numb look on his grill once Carie came up in the 'tombs'? The slate would be clean if all of them bought it whilst guards were down while mourning a death he caused, blazing the two most major shotcaller players 1st & 2nd
Fam members all in the front row & all that top brass leaving 10%

This is what we'll have to see as the looks he was giving to the corpse during the ceremony rubbed my some sort of way.

"You're the smartest & the dumbest fucking person I've ever known"
That was my shit
Also @ chick saying that she'd be with Brody WHILE still working for the CIA


Had mixed emotions watching this shit but I appreciated how they lulled the audience with the love story shit knowing damn well aint no CIA letting anybody slide off without a trace.

& Dana's the only one who KNEW her Dad's spirit & soul, had enough info to process, seen enough shit in recent to know how shit works & trusts her gut to put together that whole shit to where it makes actual sense; if his buddy who was on crutches, accusing him of shit b4 Mike backed him down was privy to the same info, he would have too.


With the DroneStrike constantly being a major point of contention injected into the nerve of the storyline, was only a matter of time for something like this to pop off.

peace

 

[Winslow Wong]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

I thought Homeland jumped the shark last week - this week they blew that fucking shark up -

Will be back looking forward to season 3

 

[RoomService]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

wow

 

[mad_bomber]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

Wow, I don't know what the fuck to think. That was a great ep.

 

[geist]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

I don't know what to think either. I watched the last 20 mins like

 

[The Technician]

That ending was crazy... Not at all expected.

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[Winslow Wong]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

Thinking about it - there is no way that the Secret Service would have allowed Brody to park his car right outside the ceremony - and then just go inside -

Someone(the mole) would have had to move it and then detonate it.

Brody didn't do it so next season will be The Fugitive mixed with 24 - Quinn will be hunting down Brody while Carrie will be trying to prove his innocence and Dana will be making mopy faces and spilling milk.

 

[mathtest]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

I thought Homeland jumped the shark last week - this week they blew that fucking shark up -

Will be back looking forward to season 3

agreed, i didn't love the episode but my interest is peaked for season 3, heres my problem tho, carrie was convinced too quick that he was framed, im not knocking her for believing him but right after 200 of ur ppls got blown up?, i didn't like quinns thing either but maybe it will be explained, my thing is theres no way out of this for brodie, even without the frame he's stll doing life for treason, jus the video and the fact he was wearing a bomb is enough to put him under the jail, him running is jus fodder for season 3

 

[SamSneed]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

its the cia, a know traitor is coming to your building and you dont check his car with a dog or scan


where are the fuckin dogs!?


fuck! they had dogs in the show pacific and that took place in 40's

this is some

 

[gdatruth]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

heres my problem tho, carrie was convinced too quick that he was framed, im not knocking her for believing him but right after 200 of ur ppls got blown up?, i didn't like quinns thing either but maybe it will be explained,

regarding Carrie it goes back to what Saul said. She is the dumbest and smartest person he knows. Maybe she was right about Brody being framed cause she is always right about him or maybe her feelings for him blinded her decision making process.

its the cia, a know traitor is coming to your building and you dont check his car with a dog or scan


where are the fuckin dogs!?


fuck! they had dogs in the show pacific and that took place in 40's

this is some

in general there are always a shitload of lapses on this show (like no cameras in Walden office when he died or skyping on a blackberry or how they didnt have dogs & blueprints of the factor Nazir was holed up in) but you also have to rember that only a handful of ppl knew about Brody. They kept it quiet to keep as an assist to get Nazir and they were gonna give him a pass.

its fucked that they painted Estes as the bad guy but he was right and it cost him his life. Either Brody was behind the bombing or they used Brody without him knowing. If he were dead they proably wouldnt have been able to get the bomb on the premises.


for anyone intersted grantland has a podcast up with the show runner. He says that it was intential to be ambigous about Brody's actions but they've decided.


http://www.grantland.com/blog/holly...-showrunner-alex-gansa-on-the-season-2-finale

 

[Deltronz]

Great episode. Had me glued to the computer. I'm really glad it didn't end after the first season, or else we never would've gotten this very interesting season and spectacular finale. Also, glad to see they're not just repeating the same thing over and over.

 

[dbrizzz]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

Well at least they peaked my interest for season 3

This was an excellent season finale. Next year's season will definitely focus on the mole in the CIA.

 

[geist]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

They need to end it after next season tho' .

My thoughts are who ever is behind the bombing hasn't been seen yet or it's somebody we've seen very little of. I definitely don't think it was Saul though. This long ass wait is going to be a bitch.

 

[BenQ]

There was no security there ?

 

[M3MD]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

its the cia, a know traitor is coming to your building and you dont check his car with a dog or scan


where are the fuckin dogs!?


fuck! they had dogs in the show pacific and that took place in 40's

this is some

Only a few people in the CIA knew Brody was a terrorist. The agency as a whole didn't know and that's why he was able to just show up like that.

They also showed Brody parking that truck in the parking lot. Another thing I was wondering, wouldn't a bomb of that size really weigh a vehicle down significantly?

 

[Nobody]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

there is no mole!

That was the whole purpose of them stopping Galvez, to illustrate there isn't a mole and as a red herring to make people think ere is.

When it comes to all the events of the show up until now, there hasn't been a mole, that is a character that was in the show working for Nazir.

Now, as in the case with Roya, it doesn't mean there isn't a plant of Nazir's in the CIA or with access on the grounds and the means to move Brody's car.

But there is absolutely unequivocally no mole.

Now, I do think Brody is innocent. I think Nazir adjusted his plans after Brody didn't pull the trigger in season 1. Then again, the overall goal wasn't to just commit an act of terrorism, but to show they turned an American into an agent of terror.

Hence the release of Brody's taping, a taping ONLY Saul, Estes, and Carrie knew about.

In the next season we're gonna have a new terror leader, Quinn at odds with himself, possibly hunting Brody overseas, Carrie digging for the truth, and Saul again fighting to trust Carrie or the obvious signs.

Personally I like the idea of Brody still having worked with Nazir, but considering the way his tape was played out, I doubt it.

 

[Nobody]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

On second thought maybe Saul is the mole. He is Muslim and he's the only one alive that would have knowledge of most of the ops that were tainted. Plus conveniently he wasn't at the cermony for the VP but was at the cermony for Abu Nazir.

Really?


REALLY!?


Are you serious!?

 

[BlackArsenic]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

there is no mole!

That was the whole purpose of them stopping Galvez, to illustrate there isn't a mole and as a red herring to make people think ere is.

When it comes to all the events of the show up until now, there hasn't been a mole, that is a character that was in the show working for Nazir.

Now, as in the case with Roya, it doesn't mean there isn't a plant of Nazir's in the CIA or with access on the grounds and the means to move Brody's car.

But there is absolutely unequivocally no mole.

Now, I do think Brody is innocent. I think Nazir adjusted his plans after Brody didn't pull the trigger in season 1. Then again, the overall goal wasn't to just commit an act of terrorism, but to show they turned an American into an agent of terror.

Hence the release of Brody's taping, a taping ONLY Saul, Estes, and Carrie knew about.

In the next season we're gonna have a new terror leader, Quinn at odds with himself, possibly hunting Brody overseas, Carrie digging for the truth, and Saul again fighting to trust Carrie or the obvious signs.

Personally I like the idea of Brody still having worked with Nazir, but considering the way his tape was played out, I doubt it.

Wasn't the tape of Brody in the hand of the CIA which is what Saul showed Carrie? I doubt there was a copy due to the extreme length Abu Nazir's people went through to get it from Saul at the airport. So if the CIA had the tape, how was it leaked? Especially when only a handful knew about it.

 

[gdatruth]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

Wasn't the tape of Brody in the hand of the CIA which is what Saul showed Carrie? I doubt there was a copy due to the extreme length Abu Nazir's people went through to get it from Saul at the airport. So if the CIA had the tape, how was it leaked? Especially when only a handful knew about it.

I'm pretty sure Saul didnt get the only copy.
it went from DC to Beruit to one of Nazir's lieutenants. I'm sure at some copies were made.

 

[BlackArsenic]

Re: Homeland Season 2(discussion thread)

I'm pretty sure Saul didnt get the only copy.
it went from DC to Beruit to one of Nazir's lieutenants. I'm sure at some copies were made.

Again, if the terrorist had a copy why go through so much to get it from Saul at the airport?

Why are you people acting like there is no mole?