Homeland Discussion Thread (All Seasons)

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I would love to thank whoever decided to cast the lovely and talented
Zuleikha Robinson this season.

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She can get it (You saw the CIA dude think twice about the dinner date he licked his lips too) episode two was kind of fire too.
 
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yep it was only a matter of time before that tape came into play but who knew by the 2nd episode. The assassanation attempt and tape reveal could've easily been season finale clifffhangers.


show always keeps on your toes and the edge of your seat.


and god damn Carrie is batshit crazy but atleast now Saul knows she was right.

it's deeper than that.

Her ability to reason and solve problems is intact. Her ability to cope and function in the world is off, way off. You saw her try and work through those breathing exercises in the room before she went out onto the roof.

When she doesn't have a task her mind has too much time to just get worked up over bullsh!t like hearing how Saul didn't want her out there in the first place. She needs the puzzles to work off the nervous energy her mind has, to minimize the distractions that get her worked up.

She's House with a huge downside to go along with that problem solving upside. It's gonna be fun watching them try to figure out what to do with her. She's too good to let go but she's way to unstable to fully trust. She can't pass a psych test to get back in the Agency. I just want to see her give them the middle finger when the admit her profile of Brody was correct.

Gonna be a hell of a season.
 
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gettin with the reporter is gonna be bad

now the wife knows hes a muslim

how the fuck they know the safe code?




ps: colts suck

Last season they thought that there had to be a mole in the Agency. They couldn't figure out who it was.
 
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Texting in that room was ridiculous and a weak plot. The VP confiding in Brody was weak as well. Very very weak plots. Overall the show is so great that such mistakes are too glaring to ignore.

Please please please don't kill of Saul, the show will not be the same without him. Brody is in a soup with everyone questioning Tom's death. Why does Brody care so much about Nazir? If Nazir had been killed, Brody would have been free in a way and no longer obligated to follow Nazir's whims, and lived a good life free of such tensions with his wife and new status. Instead he saves Nazir and is back to where he began. I just don't get what Nazir has on Brody.
 
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Texting in that room was ridiculous and a weak plot. The VP confiding in Brody was weak as well. Very very weak plots. Overall the show is so great that such mistakes are too glaring to ignore.

Please please please don't kill of Saul, the show will not be the same without him. Brody is in a soup with everyone questioning Tom's death. Why does Brody care so much about Nazir? If Nazir had been killed, Brody would have been free in a way and no longer obligated to follow Nazir's whims, and lived a good life free of such tensions with his wife and new status. Instead he saves Nazir and is back to where he began. I just don't get what Nazir has on Brody.

Brody and Nazir have a bond. Brody took the loss of Nazir's son hard. He feels the US needs to be punished for that loss since an operation like that with all those civilian targets should have never been sanctioned.

If the VP trusts him enough to be his 2nd in command, why wouldn't he take him into the room? Especially given what Nazir put him through?
 
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Brody and Nazir have a bond. Brody took the loss of Nazir's son hard. He feels the US needs to be punished for that loss since an operation like that with all those civilian targets should have never been sanctioned.

If the VP trusts him enough to be his 2nd in command, why wouldn't he take him into the room? Especially given what Nazir put him through?

So the CIA uses Skype to discuss ultra-sensitive information? OK, show, sure, yeah. Thought it was odd that Saul plugged the card into an adaptor instead of a built-in slot on the computer.
 
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So the CIA uses Skype to discuss ultra-sensitive information? OK, show, sure, yeah. Thought it was odd that Saul plugged the card into an adaptor instead of a built-in slot on the computer.

My guess on the adapter is that it's there to block and screen for viruses/rogue programs. That way the computer does not get compromised.
 
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My guess on the adapter is that it's there to block and screen for viruses/rogue programs. That way the computer does not get compromised.
Is there current, known technology that would enable Brody's phone to have sent an undetectable text? If not, the US security team should already know a message was sent from a secured room at critical moment.
 
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Is there current, known technology that would enable Brody's phone to have sent an undetectable text? If not, the US security team should already know a message was sent from a secured room at critical moment.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2012/07/governor_cuomo_blackberry_messenger_email_staff.html

They can probably extrapolate/embellish tech based on that. once they start looking (if they do) where would the cell signal be? how wide a radius would it encompass? A block? A mile?

Also, why do you keep quoting my posts only to then speak on subjects I didn't address?
 
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Is there current, known technology that would enable Brody's phone to have sent an undetectable text? If not, the US security team should already know a message was sent from a secured room at critical moment.

This...

Or I would suspect that all recording devices..phones...etc would be temporarily confiscated unless you have a certain clearance when meeting with senior officials in something like this.
 
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to be fair when watching any piece of entertainment whether a tv show or movie there has to be a bit of suspension of belief to accept somethings that are inplausible. The text thing did bother me that much cause the show doesnt take that many liberties and its constient in its use of technology

when its all said and done the show is about where does Brody's loyalty's lie & if Carrie can catch him. How they get their is signficiant as long as its a well told story imo.
 
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Texting in that room was ridiculous and a weak plot. The VP confiding in Brody was weak as well. Very very weak plots. Overall the show is so great that such mistakes are too glaring to ignore.

Please please please don't kill of Saul, the show will not be the same without him. Brody is in a soup with everyone questioning Tom's death. Why does Brody care so much about Nazir? If Nazir had been killed, Brody would have been free in a way and no longer obligated to follow Nazir's whims, and lived a good life free of such tensions with his wife and new status. Instead he saves Nazir and is back to where he began. I just don't get what Nazir has on Brody.
same thing i was thinking
 
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The wife look so damn fine

& Syrian or from one of them areas over there with her complexion & eyes as every time she gets on her high horse I :roflmao2: to myself, like, bitch, YOU look like u take salat a few times a day your damn self.

I cut this shit off during the 1st go around when I was here & there with it & totally cut it off when she TOTALLY opened up to & fucked kat in that cabin but as I said, wasnt watching it closely. Still aint sure on how I feel about how that whole thing went down.

Fucked around & watched all them shits the weekend b4 the new season & figured will see how far they take it & how they do.

That cellphone texting shit to his man with the v.p.saying "Someone warned him!:angry:" had me like hmm: for a second but like Mandy Patainkin's character.



This
His daughter is what holds him together
Because that's his heart & is about the only thing that hasnt changed drastically in his life since he's been gone; you notice how far removed emotionally the boy is who grew up without this man in his life; the compassion he ended up showing & was 'made' to show Issa is probably how he feels he should have been spending with his own the innocent realness & sense of reflection he can only get from his daughter & not from his wife.

i dont think its saul brodie is chasing/killing
Saul too smart to make a move on Brodie without investigating the validity of the tape

my guess is that its that drunk marine that for some reason doesnt trust Brodie. My guess is he is spying on Brodie and catches Brodie praying to Allah in the woods. Brodie tries to stop/explain and he ends up dead.


glad to see that the other marines and other factions within the government are perplexed by Walker's attack and know their had to be a 2nd target. Carrie aint the only one with a brain on this show
..especially when Walker NEVER missed which drives the underlying suspicion of what really happened




Brody and Nazir have a bond. Brody took the loss of Nazir's son hard. He feels the US needs to be punished for that loss since an operation like that with all those civilian targets should have never been sanctioned.

If the VP trusts him enough to be his 2nd in command, why wouldn't he take him into the room? Especially given what Nazir put him through?

The reasoning & beliefs Broady was meant to learn & believe in while enduring his dilemma with Naszir just doesnt seem to equate to the type of cold hearted reasoning used on the decision makers of that drone strike. The way he sees it from his perspective one is right & one is definitely wrong.
I’m not really a TV person but I really like this show because it’s very relevant to today’s issues, with the wars in the Middle East in all.

I think the scripts are great and the acting as well.

I’m still trying to figure out Abu Nazir’s character. Obviously the guy is not checkers but a chess player. I actually think that the whole scenario with his son getting killed was a ruse. It seems to me that he intentionally placed Broady with the kid so that Broady would bond with the kid. Then he may have planted propaganda regarding a high value target being in a specific location at a specific time suspecting that a drone strike would occur, then making sure that the kid was at that location to get killed, thereby turning Broady against the US. Typical Psych Ops.

Besides, there hasn't even been any confirmation that that was even really his son. Although supposedly they will sacrifice their own children in the spirit of Jihad.
This is the first thing that came to mind after reflecting on that close up on Naszir comforting a tourtured Brody, then allowing him to embrace so called Islam towards healing.

How better to let loose a unstoppable detonation driven for a cause against them heartless shot callers who arent compassionate nor aware of what goes on in the lives of those they bomb?

Will give it a chance this season as chick cracking kat in the head with that brick, almost getting shot multiple times & them about to turn that van over had me rolling.

peace
 
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Smart fucking move Saul!!!:yes:
Damn Brodie's wife is one fine thick as mofo!! :fucking:
 
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seems kinda contrived that all the shit Brody has done for the other side and they sending him on those type of errands. On top of the shit with his wife. They finally their shit togther and of course she gonna assume he was cheating. How do you explain someone in his position falling off the grind on a night like that?


damn Carrie thought about ending it all


hahaha...@ Brody throwing shade at Mike. 'I dont doubt it, she is quite the hostess'
 
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seems kinda contrived that all the shit Brody has done for the other side and they sending him on those type of errands. On top of the shit with his wife. They finally their shit togther and of course she gonna assume he was cheating. How do you explain someone in his position falling off the grind on a night like that?


damn Carrie thought about ending it all

That run seemed kinda stupid. Brodie is to big an asset to send on a mission like that. I feel that this whole episode dragged on. It should have been a lot better.
 
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happy Saul showed her the file.
she deserves to know she was right and get some of her sanity back.
 
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That run seemed kinda stupid. Brodie is to big an asset to send on a mission like that. I feel that this whole episode dragged on. It should have been a lot better.


yeah the whole episode was simply filler to get to that last scene.
 
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yelp..the first/last 5 mins was about it for me...shit shonuff dragged on!
 
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I thought this episode was fantastic. I was on the edge of my seat most of the time.Can another Emmy just be handed to Claire Danes now? Damn. 3 episodes in and she's taken viewers on such a roller coaster of emotions as Carrie. She is one of the most realistic and fascinating protagonists I've ever watched. The end? So thrilled that she finally knows she was right all along. You could see the confidence just breathe back into her. Her instincts were dead on.

btw, isn't Brody too high-profile now to be doing such day-to-day work for Nazir? Seems incredibly careless of Nazir. I cannot believe he doesn't have anyone other than Brody to do this type of "menial" work, transferring a suspect from one location to another. Seems too careless and stupid. Now that Brody has set his sights on politics, he needs to be more careful about his whereabouts. And what about the cameras in the store? Wouldn't Brody's loud conversation be captured in it? Also, he took the suspect IN HIS OWN CAR!!! What is someone saw him or identified the car? That whole plot was very very weak. The last 5 minutes were the saving grace of the episode!
 
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happy Saul showed her the file.
she deserves to know she was right and get some of her sanity back.

:yes: especially since she was about to off herself

I thought this episode was fantastic. I was on the edge of my seat most of the time.Can another Emmy just be handed to Claire Danes now? Damn. 3 episodes in and she's taken viewers on such a roller coaster of emotions as Carrie. She is one of the most realistic and fascinating protagonists I've ever watched. The end? So thrilled that she finally knows she was right all along. You could see the confidence just breathe back into her. Her instincts were dead on.

btw, isn't Brody too high-profile now to be doing such day-to-day work for Nazir? Seems incredibly careless of Nazir. I cannot believe he doesn't have anyone other than Brody to do this type of "menial" work, transferring a suspect from one location to another. Seems too careless and stupid. Now that Brody has set his sights on politics, he needs to be more careful about his whereabouts. And what about the cameras in the store? Wouldn't Brody's loud conversation be captured in it? Also, he took the suspect IN HIS OWN CAR!!! What is someone saw him or identified the car? That whole plot was very very weak. The last 5 minutes were the saving grace of the episode!

Has anyone played a crazy person so believable before?

And yeah the Brody errand was ummmmm :hmm:

Mike was about to get some because she instantly assumed he was cheating when he couldn't come. Did she even notice the tire. :hmm:
 
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I thought this episode was fantastic. I was on the edge of my seat most of the time.Can another Emmy just be handed to Claire Danes now? Damn. 3 episodes in and she's taken viewers on such a roller coaster of emotions as Carrie. She is one of the most realistic and fascinating protagonists I've ever watched. The end? So thrilled that she finally knows she was right all along. You could see the confidence just breathe back into her. Her instincts were dead on.

i love the carrie charchter and danes as an actress. She deserves all the allocades she gets. She is well on her way to being the Bryan Cranston of award season. Aint no chicks winning emmys or golden globes on her watch.


what makes even that more compelling is that the ppl behind the show crafted such a dynamic female character. None of the critically acclaimed shows have female leads let alone any as engaging Carrie. From Breaking Bad to Mad Men to Dexter to the Sopranoes most female characters are unlikable or straight up bitches or annoyances.

other shows gonna have to step it up
 
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i love the carrie charchter and danes as an actress. She deserves all the allocades she gets. She is well on her way to being the Bryan Cranston of award season. Aint no chicks winning emmys or golden globes on her watch.


what makes even that more compelling is that the ppl behind the show crafted such a dynamic female character. None of the critically acclaimed shows have female leads let alone any as engaging Carrie. From Breaking Bad to Mad Men to Dexter to the Sopranoes most female characters are unlikable or straight up bitches or annoyances.

other shows gonna have to step it up

I wholeheartedly agree with you on Carie. But I wish to point out that this show--and this episode in particular--has an abundance of dramatic points that hinge on highly improbable, coincidental, happenstance incidents, often triggered by the annoyingly foolish or impossibly clever decisions of the characters. Someone upthread said this much more succinctly, but I cannot find that turn of phrase anymore.

The writers seem to be taking the many dangers of our world and showing us that miracles might still happen--just because of human tendencies--even for those who don't believe in Fate or the hand of God--or, if not miracles, then end results that are beyond what would be predicted by scientific methods because of the existence of outliers in any group. I suppose this is what most fiction does and is. So, hold on to your hats, kids, and better not look too closely at the facts, like: What are the odds that Saul could even find an identical flash drive to the one sewn into the lining? Or, if you must see these inconsistencies, prepare to fanwank: Maybe he was late getting back because he had to find a geek who could help. The result is a mixture of hope in the face of impossible obstacles, combined with resignation to the fact that the world might erupt at any moment into a fiery hell of radiation.

My Sundays/Mondays this fall are getting better and better
 
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:yes: especially since she was about to off herself



Has anyone played a crazy person so believable before?

And yeah the Brody errand was ummmmm :hmm:


Mike was about to get some because she instantly assumed he was cheating when he couldn't come. Did she even notice the tire. :hmm:


I also find it disturbingly fascinating that he was willing to die and shame his family/country for a boy he only knew for a few years. I understand why he came to be this way but it's just depressing to think that he would put his family through that. Not to mention the danger he's putting them in by NOT following through on these f&cked up missions. It seems to be a lose/lose for this already pretty shattered family.
 
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The errand was kind of :hmm: The fact that Saul (sp?) had a dummy SD card in the handle was kinda dope.
 
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why the make homie the head of the local CIA branch and he is so incompentent.

dude was deferring to Saul as if he were the superior.

i got the impression from last season that Saul was his superior but Estes was the better ass/kisser and played the poltical game
 
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how convient that the got eyes on Brody but they didnt hear the convo
 
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why the make homie the head of the local CIA branch and he is so incompentent.

dude was deferring to Saul as if he were the superior.

i got the impression from last season that Saul was his superior but Estes was the better ass/kisser and played the poltical game

I think he deferred to Saul because he has more experience about these things. Also Saul brought/found the information.
 
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damn everyone on to Brody now.
cant phathom how he makes it to through next season
 
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I think he deferred to Saul because he has more experience about these things. Also Saul brought/found the information.

Re-watch it, he didn't defer to Saul. He handed him the rope to hang himself if things went south. Saul even said as much...
 
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Re-watch it, he didn't defer to Saul. He handed him the rope to hang himself if things went south. Saul even said as much...


yeah he a great politican and once again Carrie went off the fucking rails
what the fuck happens now?



i wonder if she was right about being made or let her feelings get in the way
 
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Great episode and great last scene. Can't wait for next week. This is the best show on TV right now.
 
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