Government Kill Lists

[SPECTRE1]

Here is a profile created by the Jewish ADL on Anwar al-Awlaki, an American that was targeted and killed. I was trying to understand the psychology of this guy that became committed to attacking the U.S.

You can immediately see that war with muslim countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan killing millions of people creates a 'terrorist' that would be a productive citizen. Anytime, the United States steps foot in this region, killing people, you will inspire people to commit terrorist attacks...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties

No war with muslim countries, Anwar al-Awlaki would be in America designing road and building, living peacefully. He even condemned the attacks on 9/11, yet became enraged and inspired to commit alleged acts of terrorism similar to OBL, once war begins. He looks like and follows the same path of Osama Bin Laden in turning to the dark side once the United States unnecessarily engaged in war with Iraq.

How would whites in America feel if Muslim or African soldiers were in Europe killing thousands or millions of people? Would they be inspired to take arms and launch 'terrorist' attacks?

http://www.adl.org/NR/exeres/485102...1A2-02CD-43AF-8147-649E26813571,frameless.htm

In an interview with a Yemeni journalist after the Fort Hood shooting, al-Awlaki claimed that although Hasan had viewed him as a confidant, he did not encourage the alleged shooter to carry out an attack in the U.S. Al-Awlaki did, however, say that he "blessed the act because it was against a military target. And the soldiers who were killed were not normal soldiers, but those who were trained and prepared to go to Afghanistan and Iraq."

Al-Awlaki publicly condemned the September 11 terrorist attacks, but also used them as an opportunity to criticize American foreign policy, especially regarding U.S. support for Israel. "Our hearts bleed for the attacks that targeted the World Trade Center as well as other institutions in the United States, despite our strong opposition to the American biased policy toward Israel" al-Awlaki said during a sermon at his mosque following the attacks.

Al-Awlaki reportedly moved to London in 2002 after FBI inquiries about his connection to September 11 hijackers, and then moved to Yemen in 2004. In his audio recording released on March 17, 2010, al-Awlaki admitted that he left the U.S. after "the American invasion of Iraq and continued U.S. aggression against Muslims, I could not reconcile between living in the U.S. and being a Muslim."

In summary, the longer the U.S. stays in Iraq or Afghanistan (10 years of nation building, instead of removing the threat and leaving quickly), the more terrorist are created that are committed to blowing up airplanes or attacking soldiers on bases.

I find it odd that no pictures of him not looking like Osama Bin Laden exists or is shown by the media. I believe an attempt was made by the government to dehumanize, portray him as another OBL by only showing pictures of him with a beard for the public to accept his killings.

 

[QueEx]

How would whites in America feel if Muslim or African soldiers were in Europe killing thousands or millions of people? Would they be inspired to take arms and launch 'terrorist' attacks?

Black (American) soldiers were in Iraq and are in Afghanistan, Kuwait, Bahrain, etc.; and those soldiers have killed people.

Are YOU inspired to take arms and launch 'terrorist' attacks ? ? ?

 

[SPECTRE1]

Black (American) soldiers were in Iraq and are in Afghanistan, Kuwait, Bahrain, etc.; and those soldiers have killed people.

Are YOU inspired to take arms and launch 'terrorist' attacks ? ? ?

No I am not inspired to launch terrorist attacks. I believe a few people have been misguided by their racism, white supremacy, and stupidity. These people should be held or will be held accountable.

When Trayvon Martin got shot, look at the number of responses on BGOL and death threats that were made by groups of people. I could imagine that war in Iraq could lead an American Muslim to go over the edge.

If the U.S. goes into Iran, there will be more people turning to terrorism. The media only provides a vague or no reason for the purpose of these attacks.

I am also troubled by the kill lists that were utilized by the government, once the administration got court approval, he was murdered a few weeks later. I or you could travel overseas and be taken out by a made up reason by the government.

 

[QueEx]

So, you think that Anwar al-Awlaki was "taken out by a made up reason by the government." ? ? ?

 

[SPECTRE1]

So, you think that Anwar al-Awlaki was "taken out by a made up reason by the government." ? ? ?

I don't know, there was no evidence presented at trial under oath by the government. I would rather have a trial by absentia, at least the government can present its evidence under oath which can be reviewed by the public. This could be used if an individual posed a threat and was difficult to extradite to the United States.

The government has lied to the American people before. Based on my experience, I don't want the government to have the ability to kill any American citizen, I believe the government has attempted other acts of murder against U.S. citizens as shown below:

Why should we trust anybody in the government? The government has no credibility at all.

 

[QueEx]

I don't know, there was no evidence presented at trial under oath by the government. I would rather have a trial by absentia, at least the government can present its evidence under oath which can be reviewed by the public.

Now I'm getting more confused. First you reject those "made up reason by the government" and then you want, but will most certainly reject, the "evidence present at trial under oath by the government."

Actually, I understand and agree, in part, with your skepticism. But as I see it, it is less government that people should be skeptical of -- its people that people should be skeptical of (dangling preposition and all). And, in that regard, I can't rest unless I can somehow identify the person or persons responsible for my skepticism, unease, etc. Maybe its just my own psyche, but I have a problem blaming shit on unknown forces, mythical beings, ancient societies, dark and shadowy organizations, GOVERNMENT, and other such catch-alls - - when I know that it is a person or persons taking the subject action.

The "catch-all" approach, to me at least, is based in paranoia, helplessness and/or laziness.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Now I'm getting more confused. First you reject those "made up reason by the government" and then you want, but will most certainly reject, the "evidence present at trial under oath by the government."

Actually, I understand and agree, in part, with your skepticism. But as I see it, it is less government that people should be skeptical of -- its people that people should be skeptical of (dangling preposition and all). And, in that regard, I can't rest unless I can somehow identify the person or persons responsible for my skepticism, unease, etc. Maybe its just my own psyche, but I have a problem blaming shit on unknown forces, mythical beings, ancient societies, dark and shadowy organizations, GOVERNMENT, and other such catch-alls - - when I know that it is a person or persons taking the subject action.

The "catch-all" approach, to me at least, is based in paranoia, helplessness and/or laziness.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

In principle, I'm against any type of "kill list" of American citizens by the US government.

That said (yep, there's a "but"), if a US citizen sides with an enemy of the country and raises arms in support of that enemy nation/entity, they've entered the war zone and people get killed in war zones.

 

[QueEx]

In principle, I'm against any type of "kill list" of American citizens by the US government.

That said (yep, there's a "but"), if a US citizen sides with an enemy of the country and raises arms in support of that enemy nation/entity, they've entered the war zone and people get killed in war zones.

And I agree with your "but", in toto. But, yet, there's another "butt" -- and its not the same butt I'd become accustomed to seeing.

 

[Majestic Lion]

Misdirection, obfuscation, and outright lying.

 

[QueEx]

Misdirection, obfuscation, and outright lying.

???

 

[Upgrade Dave]

And I agree with your "but", in toto. But, yet, there's another "butt" -- and its not the same butt I'd become accustomed to seeing.

Had a good weekend and decided to use a pic from it.


Back to the topic (thats misdirection in action)

You can't fight against "America" and still try to hide behind American protections. There are many other ways to protest without leaving the country and being an active combatant.

 

[QueEx]

Great weekend

With respect to the topic: I served and I can assure you that if there was some som-B bearing a weapon, wearing a bomb, or directing any of the same against me or my comrades, whether they spoke Southern Drawl, California laid-back, New York stacatta, or New England stuff shirt -- they would get it, with the quickness!

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Great weekend

With respect to the topic: I served and I can assure you that if there was some som-B bearing a weapon, wearing a bomb, or directing any of the same against me or my comrades, whether they spoke Southern Drawl, California laid-back, New York stacatta, or New England stuff shirt -- they would get it, with the quickness!

Yep

 

[Lamarr]

The existence of this secret "kill list" means the U.S. government can now decide, completely outside of law, to brazenly murder any person it wishes. And this is all apparently A-OK with the Nobel Peace Prize winner!

Murder is right only as long as the U.S. govt does it

I know Bush shredded the Bill of Rights but Wow!

 

[Upgrade Dave]

The existence of this secret "kill list" means the U.S. government can now decide, completely outside of law, to brazenly murder any person it wishes. And this is all apparently A-OK with the Nobel Peace Prize winner!

Murder is right only as long as the U.S. govt does it

I know Bush shredded the Bill of Rights but Wow!

I don't remember him campaigning for the Nobel.

 

[Lamarr]

Qaeda-Linked Imam Dined at Pentagon after 9/11

Anwar al-Awlaki - the radical spiritual leader linked to several 9/11 attackers, the Fort Hood shooting, and the attempted Christmas Day bombing of an airliner - was a guest at the Pentagon in the months after 9/11, a Pentagon official confirmed to CBS News.

 

[QueEx]

I read that sometime ago -- that a meeting had occured between Awlaki and some Army lawyers in 2001, but whats your point, about this guy ???

 

[thoughtone]

Qaeda-Linked Imam Dined at Pentagon after 9/11

Anwar al-Awlaki - the radical spiritual leader linked to several 9/11 attackers, the Fort Hood shooting, and the attempted Christmas Day bombing of an airliner - was a guest at the Pentagon in the months after 9/11, a Pentagon official confirmed to CBS News.

Back with more of your nonsense!

Investigation finds no evidence Holder knew of 'Fast and Furious' gun-running sting
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[Greed]

This is another great example of people deserving the government they got. Obama killed a US citizen who was not an immediate threat with no due process, and he got away with it because Republican and Democrats are fine with it. That's the standard for the rule of law.

Morals or principles do not dominate America. These are the same people who argued for years that Guantanamo detainee deserved due process when Bush was in office, but not when Obama kills a US citizen. Not even a show trial in absentia.

 

[QueEx]

these are the same people

? ? ?

 

[Greed]

? ? ?

???

 

[QueEx]

These are the same people??? I was asking who those "same people" are. Was that meant to be self explanatory since there were only 2 people, other than the OP, in the thread.

 

[Greed]

The people disagreeing with the OP.

 

[QueEx]

Well, that would be me but I fail to see the comparison (even if I raised a Guantano due process objection -- did I ???).

 

[Greed]

That's fine if you don't see the relation, your side has already won. The values Obama displays are a mirror image of the people who voted for him and the Republicans who agreed with him. He killed an American citizen by decree, got away with it, and the country has no principles. Just the way people want it.

 

[SPECTRE1]

The government at a minimum should have proposed a trial by absentia or a similar process. Congress should establish a process:

1. The purpose of which is to get testimony under oath from the government on the person alleged conduct.
2. Inform the defendant that a kill or capture ruling will be issued.
3. Present an opportunity for the person to turn themselves in.
4. The defendant could send a lawyer to defend their interest in court and remain in hiding
5. Give the public the opportunity to review the government's evidence that was submitted under oath.
6. Establish that you was hiding in a hostile territory, can't be extradited by the government, and attempts to capture would be dangerous & met with resistance.

A trial by absentia is looked down up; however, at least you will get testimony and evidence under oath from the government before any action is taken.

I am worried that a President Romney could get into office and kill communists, or other people that corporate interest don't like.

If the President gets caught, he can claim that you was a threat and there is a court approved precedent.

 

[GET YOU HOT]

Misdirection, obfuscation, and outright lying.

 

[thoughtone]

Misdirection, obfuscation, and outright lying.

Did Someone Summon Me?​

 

[Upgrade Dave]

The government at a minimum should have proposed a trial by absentia or a similar process. Congress should establish a process:

1. The purpose of which is to get testimony under oath from the government on the person alleged conduct.
2. Inform the defendant that a kill or capture ruling will be issued.
3. Present an opportunity for the person to turn themselves in.
4. The defendant could send a lawyer to defend their interest in court and remain in hiding
5. Give the public the opportunity to review the government's evidence that was submitted under oath.
6. Establish that you was hiding in a hostile territory, can't be extradited by the government, and attempts to capture would be dangerous & met with resistance.

A trial by absentia is looked down up; however, at least you will get testimony and evidence under oath from the government before any action is taken.

I am worried that a President Romney could get into office and kill communists, or other people that corporate interest don't like.

That would be okay. Wouldnt satisfy everyone but it would be better.

 

[GhostofMarcus]

The government at a minimum should have proposed a trial by absentia or a similar process. Congress should establish a process:

1. The purpose of which is to get testimony under oath from the government on the person alleged conduct.
2. Inform the defendant that a kill or capture ruling will be issued.
3. Present an opportunity for the person to turn themselves in.
4. The defendant could send a lawyer to defend their interest in court and remain in hiding
5. Give the public the opportunity to review the government's evidence that was submitted under oath.
6. Establish that you was hiding in a hostile territory, can't be extradited by the government, and attempts to capture would be dangerous & met with resistance.

A trial by absentia is looked down up; however, at least you will get testimony and evidence under oath from the government before any action is taken.

I am worried that a President Romney could get into office and kill communists, or other people that corporate interest don't like.

If the President gets caught, he can claim that you was a threat and there is a court approved precedent.

I understand what you are saying, but that dude played the game. He knew the rules of the game and he lost. Everybody knows the rules of the game between the Islamist and governments , especially DBO (U.S.A).

Well look like one of his boys ratted him out. Like I said we all know the rules.

The Danish biker and the trail that led to al Qaeda's most wanted
By Paul Cruickshank and Tim Lister, CNN
updated 8:25 AM EDT, Tue October 9, 2012

A 36-year-old Dane called Morten Storm says he was the man who led the CIA to Anwar al Awlaki, the al Qaeda cleric killed in a U.S. drone strike in Yemen last year. And he says he did it with a computer thumb-drive that secretly contained a tracking device.

Among the evidence he's produced: recorded telephone conversations, passport stamps showing multiple trips to Yemen, correspondence with Awlaki, and a recording of a conversation with an unidentified American - who acknowledges his role in the pursuit of Awlaki.

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The Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten has published details of his story over the past few days, after reviewing documents and tapes of the conversations Storm provided. The Danish Intelligence Service PET won't confirm or deny Storm's account; CNN has yet to reach American officials for comment.

Storm appears to have led a life of many parts -- committed jihadist, family man and outdoor sports enthusiast.
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In fact, he helped run a UK-based enterprise called Storm Outdoors -- on which his instructor's profile speaks of his time "living with the Beduins in the Deserts in the North of Yemen."

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There is firm evidence that Storm, a former biker and petty criminal, moved within jihadist circles after converting to Islam in the late 1990s -- becoming known as Murad Storm.

One video clearly shows him at a rally of militant Islamists in London in 2005, listening to a speech by the extremist preacher Omar Bakri Mohammed. According to Jyllands-Posten, Storm was by then on the radar of the PET because of his links with Islamist militants.

The following year, he says, he changed sides, becoming a double-agent run by the PET.

Meeting Awlaki

According to Storm's account, he first met Anwar al Awlaki at his father's house in 2006, while studying in the Yemeni capital, Sanaa. Storm was attending Al Iman University -- which was renowned for militancy and where Awlaki himself taught.

"We talked freely to each other," Storm told Jyllands-Posten.

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That was before Awlaki was arrested and spent some 17 months in a Yemeni jail, accused in connection with an al Qaeda plot.
We also discussed the terrorist attacks. He had some plans that would hit large shopping centers in the West or elsewhere with many people with poison attacks.
Morten Storm

It was while Awlaki was in jail that Storm says he underwent a transformation.

At some point in the winter of 2006, Storm approached the PET and offered his services. He says he was introduced to British intelligence and the CIA, and was a given a handler by PET. Jyllands-Posten says it has confirmed the identity of that handler.

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Storm told the newspaper that the CIA and PET "knew that Anwar saw me as his friend and confidant. They knew that I could reach him, and find out where he stayed."

When Awlaki was released from prison Storm was able "to bring materials and electronic equipment to him," using money provided by Danish intelligence.

Al Qaeda's shopping list

Storm says the CIA wanted to plant a tracking device in the equipment he was taking to Yemen, but it was becoming more difficult to reach Awlaki, who by 2009 was in hiding in remote Shabwa province.

Storm's last meeting with the militant cleric - by now perhaps al Qaeda's most influential propagandist - was in September 2009, he told Jyllans-Posten. Storm stayed at the house of an al Qaeda sympathizer.

At a desert hide-out, Awlaki asked Storm to acquire solar panels or a transportable fridge which could be used for cooling explosives components.
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"We also discussed the terrorist attacks. He had some plans that would hit large shopping centers in the West or elsewhere with many people with poison attacks," according to Storm's account.

Storm's passport includes an exit stamp from Yemen dated September 19, 2009.

A few weeks after he returned to Copenhagen, Storm says he met CIA and PET officials.

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He was shown satellite photographs of the area where he had met Awlaki and identified the house where he had stayed.

A short time later, Yemeni forces launched an assault on the house, killing its owner.

But Awlaki had gone.

Jyllands-Posten is in possession of an e-mail purportedly from Awlaki to Storm, dated January 17, 2010.

"Do you remember the guy you lived with? It is now confirmed that he has been killed," the cleric wrote.

The newspaper says it also has taped telephone conversations between Storm and PET agents.

The USB gambit

According to Storm, it was more than a year before another attempt was made to track down Awlaki.

Storm recounts a two-day meeting in April 2011 with PET agents at a hotel in Helsingor, overlooking the Baltic Sea. It was decided it would be too dangerous for Storm to return to try to meet Awlaki, but he would travel to the Yemeni capital and then send a USB stick to Awlaki via a messenger.

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Before leaving, he sent a message to the editors of "Inspire," the online magazine published by al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), using the codename Awlaki had given him - "Polar Bear."

In June 2011, he made a five-day visit to Sanaa, followed by a longer one in July.

Storm says he was given three rendezvous on different days - one of them at a KFC in Sanaa.

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He was my mentor. He was my sheikh, he was my teacher, he was a friend of mine. But (because) of the evil in him, I took the step.
Morten Storm

It was a typical precaution on the part of Awlaki and al Qaeda.

At the third location, the messenger passed him a list from Awlaki of what he needed.

The USB stick, with encrypted messages, became their means of communication.

At one point, Awlaki asked what was being reported in the West about alleged plans by AQAP to use the poison ricin.

At about the same time, the New York Times reported: "American counterterrorism officials are increasingly concerned that the most dangerous regional arm of Al Qaeda is trying to produce the lethal poison ricin, to be packed around small explosives for attacks against the United States."

One typed message from Awlaki included a personal request, perhaps illustrating the close relationship the two had forged.

"My wife needs some stuff from Sanaa so can your wife buy it for her?" he asked.

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Storm says he was recalled to Europe in August 2011, and met with both CIA agents and PET officials in Malaga, Spain.

He claims he was told by "the American" that there was plenty of reward money should Awlaki be killed.

In September 2011, Storm says he received a message from an intermediary, who took the USB stick back to Yemen.

"I heard later....that the messenger had come to the shopping center, had the USB connector and was driven away in a Toyota Land Cruiser," Storm told Jyllens-Posten.

Three weeks later, Anwar al Awlaki was dead.

U.S. officials maintained that a separate intelligence stream had led them to Awlaki's location. Storm didn't believe them.

Falling out with the Americans

"I am convinced that the CIA seized the messenger..... but the Americans apparently won't recognize that it was an agent of PET and the small country, Denmark, which led to the detection of Anwar," Storm told Jyllands-Posten.

According to the newspaper's account, a meeting was set up at the Hotel Marienlyst in Helsingor a week after Awlaki's death in an attempt to mollify Storm. The newspaper has obtained a nine-minute recording of that meeting - made by Storm on his cell-phone.

Storm is heard talking to a man with an American accent by the name of Michael, who acknowledges Storm's work for the PET and CIA.



"He was my mentor. He was my sheikh, he was my teacher, he was a friend of mine. But (because) of the evil in him, I took the step," Storm told the American.

'Michael' says at one point: "I want you to understand - this is a team - it was all a team effort - a team from my organization - from me, who are here with you guys, from Jed (apparently Morten Storm's previous U.S. contact)......"

He adds that Storm's contribution was known to senior U.S. officials - adding: "I'm talking about the President of the United States. He knows you, he knows you. So the right people know your contribution. And we are grateful. "



But 'Michael' maintains in the conversation that it was a parallel operation that led to locating Awlaki.

There is no way of confirming Michael's identity as a U.S. official. But in a subsequent recorded telephone conversation from August, a PET agent code-named 'Olde' said he understood Storm's frustration and would try to get him some reward money.

In a statement made Saturday to Jyllands-Posten, the head of Danish intelligence, Jakob Scharf, said: "For the sake of PET's operational work, PET cannot and will not publicly confirm whether specific individuals have been used as sources."

Read more: New al Qaeda video praises slain Yemeni-American cleric

As for Storm, he maintains a Facebook page which suggests he is living in a town in south-east England. Among the messages posted in the last few days, a link to the theme song for the new James Bond movie, with the comment: "Feels related."

According to posts on an Islamist forum in the past 24 hours, 'Murad's' former "brothers" in Luton, a town in England where he once appears to have had a business, have not forgotten him.

One wrote: "This scumbag lived in Luton and mixed with brothers for a few years and was an agent all along."

Another commented: "Murad was always a Saudi Salafy....Anyone who a had a one to one knew he was Salafy to the core."

And a note of caution from a third: "He was such a loud mouth that nobody wanted anything to do with him. He would come out with the most absurd claims."

Maybe only Michael, Jed and a few PET agents know otherwise.

 

[Greed]

The extreme nature of this thread's hypocrisy can be exhibited by the Jose Padilla or John Walker Lindh cases. People will argue about the rights of citizens detained for years for terrorism or actually caught on a battlefield in the middle of a war like Lindh, but gloss over a President ordering the death of an American citizen using nothing other than some perceived executive authority.

Their defense in this thread is the guy had it coming.

You would think the death sentence issued by the executive branch would be the most serious of the three. I guess not when you voted for that particular executive.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

The extreme nature of this thread's hypocrisy can be exhibited by the Jose Padilla or John Walker Lindh cases. People will argue about the rights of citizens detained for years for terrorism or actually caught on a battlefield in the middle of a war like Lindh, but gloss over a President ordering the death of an American citizen using nothing other than some perceived executive authority.

Their defense in this thread is the guy had it coming.

You would think the death sentence issued by the executive branch would be the most serious of the three. I guess not when you voted for that particular executive.

You dont have to make up stuff. If this had happened under Bush, I would have the same opinion.
Lindh was a foot soldier and got caught. Had he been killed, no sympathy here.
Not one person here is untroubled (is that word?) by the existence of a "kill list" but no one is shedding crocodile tears for a guy who made certain decisions and those decisions had consequences, that he suffered.

 

[Lamarr]

You dont have to make up stuff. If this had happened under Bush, I would have the same opinion.
Lindh was a foot soldier and got caught. Had he been killed, no sympathy here.
Not one person here is untroubled (is that word?) by the existence of a "kill list" but no one is shedding crocodile tears for a guy who made certain decisions and those decisions had consequences, that he suffered.

Sounding like Hannity

Didn't know you "bought into" the George Bush attack on the 5th Amendment. "You people" have gone mad!

A fundamental concept in the United States justice system, the expression was first used in the Bill of Rights to ensure all citizens receive a fair trial if they are ever charged with a crime, a principle known as due process of law.

As the founders of the United States realized, the rights of the accused must be protected if we want to maintain a functioning democratic society and prevent the government from abusing its authority. Therefore, the Constitution grants protections for citizens if they are accused of a crime and details the requirements that must be met before you can be convicted of that crime. Your innocence is assumed until these conditions are met. In other words, you are innocent until proven guilty.

It is very important for you to know your rights if you are ever charged with a crime. You have the right to obtain legal representation and, if you are questioned, you have the right to remain silent until you have spoken with an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, your rights also guarantee that one will be appointed to you by the government. In addition, you have the right to know the charges against you

.

 

[Greed]

You dont have to make up stuff. If this had happened under Bush, I would have the same opinion.
Lindh was a foot soldier and got caught. Had he been killed, no sympathy here.
Not one person here is untroubled (is that word?) by the existence of a "kill list" but no one is shedding crocodile tears for a guy who made certain decisions and those decisions had consequences, that he suffered.

Based on this board's prioritization of Democrats and Republicans, I doubt you have any principles that makes it credible that you would have the same opinion if Bush was President.

Lindh had more rights on an active battlefield than the death-from-above justice meted out by drone while a US citizen was driving on a barren road in a country we were not and still not at war with 10 years after 9/11.

I'm not shedding crocodile tears for the guy, I'm commenting on the fact that this country is at the point where the government doesn't even need to hide it's lack of principles anymore. It's even celebrated by both parties. But at least you're troubled as you vote to continue the status quo.

As if any question of principles and morality is dependent on a particular person or case.