Kobe makes it clear Lakers are still his team

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

you kidding, right?

in today's rule changed league, it's something like 22 or 23 out of the top 30 active players who play the 2 or 3 position.

i already gave you the 2s and 3s from the top ten.

look at who else is in the top 30:

jason kidd
grant hill
steve nash
jason terry
jerry stackhouse
carmelo anthony
chauncey billups
richard hamilton
rashard lewis
dwyane wade
joe johnson
andre miller
mike bibby
jason richardson
peja stojakovic

and you could even include juwan howard or shawn marion if you want to quibble.

tobe isn't the only one benefitting from the rules changes.

Top 30 current vs Top 30 All Time.

Where are the other chuckers in the ALL TIME TOP 30 ? Theres 3 players currently that got benefit of these rule changes ? To make the all time scoring list ?

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

Top 30 current vs Top 30 All Time.

Where are the other chuckers in the ALL TIME TOP 30 ? Theres 3 players currently that got benefit of these rule changes ? To make the all time scoring list ?

look at my post #47 in this thread for the answer. i made it crystal clear back then.

then take a look at the discrepancy in FGAs and FTAs.

you have your answer.

what is it? something like 3,000 more FGA than kevin garnett, who is the next closest active player. almost 1,300 more FTA than paul pierce, who is the next closest active player.

no mystery.

 

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

look at my post #47 in this thread for the answer. i made it crystal clear back then.

then take a look at the discrepancy in FGAs and FTAs.

you have your answer.

what is it? something like 3,000 more FGA than kevin garnett, who is the next closest active player. almost 1,300 more FTA than paul pierce, who is the next closest active player.

no mystery.

So he is the only one ?

Rule changes that helped 2's & 3's score, but Kobe is the only guard or small foward currently playing in the top 20 all time.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

what is it? something like 3,000 more FGA than kevin garnett, who is the next closest active player...

Thats crazy when you really think about that stat.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

Rule changes that helped 2's & 3's score, but Kobe is the only guard or small foward currently playing in the top 20 all time.

rules changes and volume shooting as i pointed out in post #47.

other than tobe, there is no "guard or small forward currently playing in the top" 25 all time FGAs.

no brainer.

tobe has 22,706 FGAs. next closest 2 is ray allen with almost 5,000 fewer FGAs.

other than tobe, there is no "guard or small forward currently playing in the top 20 all time" FTAs.

no brainer.

tobe has 8,842 FTAs. next closest 3 is paul pierce with almost 1,300 fewer FTAs.

the fallacies you are committing are "begging the question" and "false dilemma".

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

Thats crazy when you really think about that stat.

i'm not sure "crazy" is sufficient.

kevin garnett has played in 94 more games.

kevin garnett has played 3,402 more minutes

kevin garnett has attempted 3,191 fewer FGs

 

[Amajorfucup]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

i'm not sure "crazy" is sufficient.

kevin garnett has played in 94 more games.

kevin garnett has played 3,402 more minutes

kevin garnett has attempted 3,191 fewer FGs

And he played on bad teams where he was either the only all star caliber player and first scoring option most of his career. Wow. Truly incredible stat.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

but if you thought the KG comparison was "crazy" you will have to provide a whole new definition altogether for the ray allen comparison.

tobe has played in 13 more games than ray allen

tobe has played 4 more minutes than ray allen

tobe has attempted 4,945 FGs more than ray allen

 

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

Thats crazy when you really think about that stat.

Crazy & crazy good business.

Most Titles this last decade. Lakers

Most titles since the merger. Lakers

Best selling jersey overseas. Kobe

Biggest drawing road team. Lakers,Heat might have got them last season. Why they traded for Howard.

Its business just as much as sport & Lakers are the most valuable franchise because of West,Magic,Kareem,Worthy,Shaq & now Kobe.

I'd take being the worst(according to Cran) on the all time Top 5 scoring list w/ more titles THAN 2 of them.

Good business (Billion dollar franchise) & winning 10 titles since the merger beats text book passing everyday.

 

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

but if you thought the KG comparison was "crazy" you will have to provide a whole new definition altogether for the ray allen comparison.

tobe has played in 13 more games than ray allen

tobe has played 4 more minutes than ray allen

tobe has attempted 4,945 FGs more than ray allen

Which eqauled 6,543 more points than Allen !!!

Who would you rather have Ray Allen or Kobe Bryant ?

10 years ago & today.

3rd fiddle on 1 title team or ....

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

Crazy & crazy good business.

I'd take being the worst(according to Cran) on the all time Top 5 scoring list w/ more titles THAN 2 of them.

i have no problem with shrewd decision making on jerry buss' part. he knew what the demograhics were in 1997 and chose wisely to take advantage of the sheep.

but i do have a problem when people confuse the game of basketball with the business of basketball.

puking up 4,945 more FGAs should never be confused with talent or skill.

 

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

i have no problem with shrewd decision making on jerry buss' part. he knew what the demograhics were in 1997 and chose wisely to take advantage of the sheep.

but i do have a problem when people confuse the game of basketball with the business of basketball.

puking up 4,945 more FGAs should never be confused with talent or skill.

Your right Kobe sucks ! How many teams has Ray Allen played for now ?

They are called franchise players for a reason. It usually means they play for the same team a majority of the time.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

Which eqauled 6,543 more points than Allen

uh, no.

because you completely forgot about the FTAs.

tobe not only attempted 4,945 more FGs, he also attempted 4,196 more FTs.

4,945 FGAs and 4,196 FTAs = 6,543 pts

ray allen all day every day.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

i.e.


I'll keep shooting






Good luck to them though

 

[HeathCliff]

aye if that makes u sleep better at night..do you

I live in LA man. TRUST ME! This shit really does make Laker fans sleep at night.

 

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

uh, no.

because you completely forgot about the FTAs.

tobe not only attempted 4,945 more FGs, he also attempted 4,196 more FTs.

4,945 FGAs and 4,196 FTAs = 6,543 pts

ray allen all day every day.

Ray is going to stand on the perimeter for his 2nd team str8. Not a franchsie guy. Damn good shooter, one the best ALL TIME if not the best in fact.

So he is the only other current 2 to benefit from the rule changes you state to pierce the top 30 all time scoring list. Interesting.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

So he is the only other current 2 to benefit from the rule changes you state to pierce the top 30 all time scoring list. Interesting.

it is interesting, seeing as how you want to attribute claims to me that i never made.

stan tactics after a mostly agreeable dialogue?

disappointing.

 

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

Wait I just want to make sure I read it right.

You are saying if the Lakers run the Princeton offense Gasol will be the odd man out???????????

Just trying to make sure I understand you comment

He will be because of salaries. If Howard resigns its because its his team not Pau's.

 

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

it is interesting, seeing as how you want to attribute claims to me that i never made.

stan tactics after a mostly agreeable dialogue?

disappointing.

Stan this & that all you want.

You stated rules changes that helped 2's & 3's score. One of which "you" stated was the 3 point line.

Their are 2 of the shooting guards & "A" small foward of those currently playing in the top 30 scoring list. That benefit.

The 3 line has been around 35 years.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

Stan this & that all you want.

The 3 line has been around 35 years.

thanks for proving both points.

the 3 point line did not exist (in part or in whole) during the careers of 6 of the 10 all time top scorers.

revisionism is alive and well on BGOL

 

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

thanks for proving both points.

the 3 point line did not exist (in part or in whole) during the careers of 6 of the 10 all time top scorers.

revisionism is alive and well on BGOL

3 of them partially. Revisionism only for your arguments sake.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

3 of them partially. Revisionism only for your arguments sake.

hardly.

more than half of the all time top scorers played during the pre-3 point line era and you attempted to hide behind an empty comment about the approximate age of the 3 pt line.

moreover, the rules changes beginning in 1994-95 (no handcheck from end line to foul line) ushered in the new age of NBA scorers. prior to that, the NBAs top 10 scorers were dominated by post players.

1997-98 the NBA banned using the forearm on D and disgracefully expanded the no-charge area.

but the most shameful rule change came in 1999-00 when they banned all contact defensively between half court and the FT line.

not surprisingly, that season saw the following 6 in the top 10 scorers:

vince carter
allen iverson
gary payton
jerry stackhouse
grant hill
michael finley

the next season, the following 8 were in the top 10:

jerry stackhouse
allen iverson
paul pierce
vince carter
tracy mcgrady
antawn jamison
tobe
antoine walker

all the unearned additional trips to the FT line due to the rules changes duped the sheep.

 

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

hardly.

more than half of the all time top scorers played during the pre-3 point line era and you attempted to hide behind an empty comment about the approximate age of the 3 pt line.

moreover, the rules changes beginning in 1994-95 (no handcheck from end line to foul line) ushered in the new age of NBA scorers. prior to that, the NBAs top 10 scorers were dominated by post players.

1997-98 the NBA banned using the forearm on D and disgracefully expanded the no-charge area.

but the most shameful rule change came in 1999-00 when they banned all contact defensively between half court and the FT line.

not surprisingly, that season saw the following 6 in the top 10 scorers:

vince carter
allen iverson
gary payton
jerry stackhouse
grant hill
michael finley

the next season, the following 8 were in the top 10:

jerry stackhouse
allen iverson
paul pierce
vince carter
tracy mcgrady
antawn jamison
tobe
antoine walker

all the unearned additional trips to the FT line due to the rules changes duped the sheep.

Because the the Pistons first, then the Riley Knicks & Heat were bogging down games with that ultra physical shit that was leading to 78-73 final scores. Boring to the casual observer rules enacted.

The Gary Payton hand check rule, the Barkley backing you down rule, etc.

Payton ,Iverson, Allen & Kobe are the only 2's to make into the all time scroing list from this era. 4 players making into the all time list is not adherent to rule changes completely shifting the whole games focus.

There are barely any big men with the skill even of a Joe Barry Carroll with their back to the basket these days. Most 6'10 & up players are imitating the play of Rasheed Wallace, Garnett, Dirk, & even Rashard Lewis. Big dudes who face up to shoot gets you paid. Thats a trend in an of itself.

 

[LordSinister]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

so fakers fans, got a basketball question for you.



no, seriously. even though i'm not expecting much.

now that the fakers are supposedly running a variant of the princeton O, where will dwight howard fit in on the "5 out" set?

gotta be pau gasol on top with steve nash at the wing, right?

so where does that leave dwight howard?

With his hands in the air yelling for the ball while Kobe jacks a 37 foot 3 with 5 seconds left on the clock double teamed cause he was the only one open?

 

[LordSinister]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

how many players in the league who are "not" garbage got to ride coat tails with shaquille o'neal under coach jackson?

how many players in the league who are "not" garbage got to ride coat tails with pau gasol under coach jackson?

right place, right time, role player. nothing more.

how many "greats" couldn't be a full time starter until their 3rd season?

how many "greats" can start at least 80% of the games in a season and lead their team to the division cellar and out of the playoffs?

My only thing is this. Kobe's 3rd season would have been his first had he gone to college. He would actually be a much better player had he gone to college.

Yes, he is a volume shooter, but the boy can play, and used to be pretty good on D.

 

[Damn Right]

And Dwight Howard left a situation where he was worshipped to come into this? Now he will understand why Shaq left.,

shaq didn't 'leave'. he got traded. shaq actually wanted to stay and end his career as a laker. but there was nothing wrong with what kobe said since it was true. sheit, steve nash summed it up best when he said basically that everyone knows it's kobe's team since he's the best player on the squad and been in LA his entire career. but it's also everyone of the squad's team as well and they're gonna get in where they fit in

 

[curryshotta]

i cant wait to see how much of the princeton they really run. I made a post on that topic.

I think they will run much less of it than the reports will lead you to believe

 

[RoadRage]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him


Don't like the Princeton offense with the Lakers, because smart teams are going to play Howard in the paint, and leave Gasol out on the perimeter daring him to beat them from the outside, while collapsing on Howard with Gasol man, every time he tries to post up in the paint... On the Magic they protected Howard from double teaming with outside shooters from 1-4 allowing Howard to go one on one vs much weaker centers...
Matter of fact the Lakers took that same approach vs the Thunder, and what happened was Bynum was constantly harassed by two big defenders and Gasol was ineffective from outside, and often out of position for the offensive rebound...
As far as Kobe cutting to the basket and Howard moving out to free him.. no defender is going to follow Howard past the foul line plus Kobe dosn't have that first step the way he used to have...

 

[RoadRage]

Matter of fact, the Princeton offense would work much better for a younger more athletic team like the Heat who are lacking size yet have a very mobil center and sharpshooters who can stretch the defense from the outside.. Not to mention two of the best drivers in the game..

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

Payton ,Iverson, Allen & Kobe are the only 2's to make into the all time scroing list from this era. 4 players making into the all time list is not adherent to rule changes completely shifting the whole games focus.

Big dudes who face up to shoot gets you paid. Thats a trend in an of itself.

wrong and wrong.

thanks to the rule changes, 2s and 3s were able to pad their stats with the FTAs from manufactured scoring opportunities.

example? jerry stackhouse in 1996-97 attempted 667 FTAs. after the disgusting rule change in 2000-01? 810 FTAs.

the league knew that today's players are far less talented than the players of the past, so they had to manufacture offensive opportunities in order to create stars.

example? in 2000-01, tracy mcgrady played 3,087 minutes and had 587 FTAs. in 2002-03, tracy mcgrady played 2,954 minutes but had 726 FTAs.

but the sheep saw the inflated scoring averages, and didn't realize they were getting duped by skewed FTA opportunities and an expanded no-charge zone.

the NBA once again had bankable stars, because the fans mistakenly thought they were seeing talent when they were really getting an inferior product.

big dudes shooting is not a trend. jack sikma? tom chambers? bill laimbeer? sam perkins? all big men who could shoot with touch.

 

[RoadRage]

i cant wait to see how much of the princeton they really run. I made a post on that topic.

I think they will run much less of it than the reports will lead you to believe

[They need to play big instead of trying to move their two 7 footers out of position in the post..

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

i did answer his question.

i pointed out that SVT posed a question that does not address individual circumstance, but rather team situation.

i forget that BGOL sometimes lacks a little in the comprehension area.

The only lack of comprehension is for you to be able to answer a direct question without allowing your blind hate for Kobe to channel into a meaningless rant! The question posed, would have been 'concisely' answer by must naming, bullet pointing or numbering a list of direct NAMES OF PLAYERS as opposed to generalizing to try to deflect the answer and get back to your normal obsessive rants...

So, yeah, I didn't comprehend your response, which only amounted to the same meaningless drivel you normally spew in any Kobe related thread... Don't know who's more sickly obsessive, you or that KingT Dude over LeBron...

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

With his hands in the air yelling for the ball while Kobe jacks a 37 foot 3 with 5 seconds left on the clock double teamed cause he was the only one open?

or they decide to play the 2-2-1 set only with the starters, and let the B squad run "5 out".

after the fakers acquired steve nash, they didn't even need dwight howard to be contenders in the WORSTern conference. in the PUSSific division, with steve nash and pau gasol the fakers are already good enough to win the division and get home court at least through the first round.

 

[curryshotta]

[They need to play big instead of trying to move their two 7 footers out of position in the post..

i think they will end up playing a much more traditional offense with heavy pick and roll usage.

but I could be wrong.............we'll see

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

The only lack of comprehension is for you to be able to answer a direct question without allowing your blind hate for Kobe to channel into a meaningless rant! The question posed, would have been 'concisely' answer by must naming, bullet pointing or numbering a list of direct NAMES OF PLAYERS as opposed to generalizing to try to deflect the answer and get back to your normal obsessive rants...

So, yeah, I didn't comprehend your response, which only amounted to the same meaningless drivel you normally spew in any Kobe related thread... Don't know who's more sickly obsessive, you or that KingT Dude over LeBron...

yeah, you typed all that to show the rest of us you really don't know how to recognize a false equivalence when SVT drops one.

bravo.