House Moving To Hold Holder In Contempt



"Republican senators are whipping up the country into a psychotic frenzy with these reports that are patently false,"

- Linda Wallace, a special agent with the Internal Revenue Service's criminal investigation unit who was assigned to the Fast and Furious team (and recently retired from the IRS). A self-described gun-rights supporter, Wallace has not been criticized by Issa's committee.






SOURCE: http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/
 


Quite simply, there's a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands.

Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.</span>

Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies</span>. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case. Several, including Voth, are speaking out for the first time.


SOURCE: The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal



 


"Republican senators are whipping up the country into a psychotic frenzy with these reports that are patently false,"

- Linda Wallace, a special agent with the Internal Revenue Service's criminal investigation unit who was assigned to the Fast and Furious team (and recently retired from the IRS).

  • A self-described gun-rights supporter

  • Wallace has not been criticized by Issa's committee.






SOURCE: http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/
 

Retaliation


- They lost the Arizona case at the Supreme Court

- They lost the mandatory life sentence for children case before the Supreme Court

- They lost hours ago the Affordable Healthcare decision before the Supreme Court

- They had no choice -- they had to have one for their "Base"

 

Retaliation


- They lost the Arizona case at the Supreme Court

- They lost the mandatory life sentence for children case before the Supreme Court

- They lost hours ago the Affordable Healthcare decision before the Supreme Court

- They had no choice -- they had to have one for their "Base"




GOP-led House holds Holder in criminal contempt of Congress


The Republican-run House voted today to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, after a walkout by African-American Democratic lawmakers.

"The Republican leadership has articulated no legislative purpose for pursuing this course of action," said a letter from the 42-member Congressional Black Caucus to colleagues. "For these reasons, we cannot and will not participate in a vote to hold the attorney general in contempt."

White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer said, "today we saw the House of Representatives perform a transparently political stunt."

House Republican leaders criticized Holder for declining to release documents related to the botched gun-trafficking investigation known as Operation Fast and Furious. They also predicted some Democrats would vote for a contempt citation.

"We'd really rather have the attorney general and the president work with us to get to the bottom of a very serious issue," said House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio. "Unfortunately, they're not willing to show the American people the truth about what happened. It's an unfortunate place where we are."

Holder is the first sitting attorney general to be held in contempt of Congress.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. -- who also vowed to walk out with members of the black caucus -- told the Reuters Washington Summit that the contempt voter is "one of the most irresponsible" acts she has seen in Congress.

Pelosi said the Republicans are trying to intimidate Holder and the Justice Department over some of its actions, including lawsuits against states that have passed voter ID laws.

"The whole reason that they want him to resign is because he's looking into voter suppression," Pelosi said. "It's all connected. The Supreme Court (health care) decision, suffocate the system with money, suppress the vote, poison the debate."

The vote took place on a momentous day, just hours after the Supreme Court upheld President Obama's health care law.

White House spokesman Jay Carney denounced the contempt vote as "political theater, an action taken by Congress that does not respond to the most urgent priorities of the American people."

Republicans say they want to know more about what went wrong with Fast and Furious, which was designed to trace weapons to drug cartels in Mexico; but two weapons were found at the site of a murder of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

Two contempt votes are planned.

A criminal contempt resolution would send the matter to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia -- who works for Holder.

A civil contempt resolution, also to be voted on, would allow the House to go to sue Holder in court in an attempt to get the records.
 

Retaliation


- They lost the Arizona case at the Supreme Court

- They lost the mandatory life sentence for children case before the Supreme Court

- They lost hours ago the Affordable Healthcare decision before the Supreme Court

- They had no choice -- they had to have one for their "Base"


They just couldn't go into the weekend taking L's on everything.
 
House Committee and Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa told BuzzFeed today that he expects 31 Democrats will join Congressional Republicans in finding Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress for failing to turn over documents relating to a botched gun-running investigation.

Who were the 15 ?


Blue Dogs. They are on their last legs. They were damn near eliminated in the 2010 mid terms. They never learn. Republicans will never support them no matter how they try and become as much of a wing nut as they are.

Anyway it's better for them to be exposed so the can be voted out. The Conservadems have given the republicans cover for their idiocity for far too long.

source: Faux Snooze

Democrats who voted against contempt:

Rep. Jason Altmire, D-Pa.
Rep. John Barrow, D-Ga.
Rep. Dan Boren, D-Okla.
Rep. Leonard Boswell, D-Iowa
Rep. Ben Chandler, D-Ky.
Rep. Mark Critz, D-Pa.
Rep. Joe Donnelly, D-Ind.
Rep. Kathy Hochul, D-N.Y.
Rep. Ron Kind, D-Wis.
Rep. Larry Kissell, D-N.C.
Rep. Jim Matheson, D-Utah
Rep. Mike McIntyre, D-N.C.
Rep. Bill Owens, D-N.Y.
Rep. Collin Peterson, D-Minn.
Rep. Nick Rahall, D-W.Va.
Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark.
Rep. Tim Walz, D-Minn.


Republicans who voted against contempt:

Rep. Steve LaTourette, R-Ohio
Rep. Scott Rigell, R-Va.​


A total of 108 Democrats did not vote. Only one Republican did not vote. One lawmaker, Rep. Dan Lipinski, D-Ill., also voted present.
 
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Justice Department confirms
it will not prosecute Holder



Washington Post
Sari Horwitz
Friday, June 29, 2012


The Justice Department has told House leaders that <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.’s decision to withhold certain documents</span> about a flawed gun operation from Congress <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">is not a crime and he will not be prosecuted for contempt of Congress.</span>

Deputy Attorney General James M. Cole explained the decision, which was expected, in a letter to House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio). The letter was released publicly Friday, just over a week after President Obama invoked executive privilege to withhold the documents.

In his letter, Cole said the decision not to prosecute Holder conforms to long-standing Justice Department practice in both Democratic and Republican administrations.

In May 1984, Theodore B. Olson, then assistant attorney general, wrote that U.S. attorneys are not required to refer congressional contempt charges to a grand jury or prosecute an executive branch official “who carries out the President’s instruction to invoke the President’s claim of executive privilege before a committee.”

In July 2007 and February 2008, Attorney General Michael Mukasey cited the Olson analysis in letters to House Democratic leaders, informing them that Justice would decline to press charges against White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten and White House counsel Harriet E. Miers, who were held in contempt after failing to appear before the House Judiciary Committee.

“Consistent with this uniform position and practice, the Department has determined that the Attorney General’s response to this subpoena issued by the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform does not constitute a crime, and therefore the Department will not bring the congressional contempt citation before a grand jury or take any other action to prosecute the Attorney General,” Cole wrote.

On Thursday, Holder became the first attorney general to be held in contempt of Congress after he withheld internal deliberative documents that Republican lawmakers demanded as part of an investigation into the “Fast and Furious” gunrunning operation.

The Justice Department’s decision concerns only criminal action, so the House can still pursue civil litigation against Holder. On Thursday, the House voted to authorize civil action, which paves the way for a federal court challenge to Obama’s decision to invoke executive privilege.

Republicans dismissed Cole’s decision and said the U.S. attorney for the District — who technically has the authority to prosecute Holder — should be able to do so, noting that he is already leading an investigation into the possible leak of classified information by Obama administration officials to reporters.

“If he’s neutral enough to independently look for leaks from the administration and not be conflicted, then he has to be equally independent in weighing the statute” approved by the House, said House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who is leading the “Fast and Furious” investigation.


Staff writer Ed O’Keefe contributed to this report.



SOURCE: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ecute-holder/2012/06/29/gJQAbHgACW_story.html


 
Holder, Contempt, and Race


Holder, Contempt, and Race


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The New Yorker
by Alex Koppelman
June 29, 2012




Lost in the excitement over the Supreme Court’s decision on the Affordable Care Act was another historic moment in Washington on Thursday. For the first time ever, one of the legislative branch’s two chambers voted to hold a member of a President’s cabinet—Attorney General Eric Holder—in contempt of Congress.

Ultimately, it’s unlikely to mean much, legally speaking—Congress doesn’t really have the power to make the contempt citation more than a statement, or to use it to force Holder’s coöperation. Congress has asked him to produce certain documents in its investigation of Operation Fast and Furious, a gunrunning investigation that went wrong and played a role in the death of the Border Patrol agent Brian Terry; President Obama responded by asserting executive privilege, which in a practical sense ends the discussion. (Whether it should or not is a separate issue.) Still, as a statement, the contempt vote was striking, and so was the response.


In a walkout led by the Congressional Black Caucus, more than a hundred Democrats left the House chamber in protest, rather than staying to officially register their disapproval. The C.B.C. and the Democrats who joined them said the walkout wasn’t about Holder’s race, and, indeed, they were just repeating a similar stunt that House Republicans pulled when Democrats voted on contempt charges for two Bush Administration officials.

And yet there’s a decent case to be made that the whole thing—the vote, the walkout, the investigation of Fast and Furious, all of it—comes down, in the end, to race.


There’s a reason that Holder is, next to the President himself, the member of the Obama Administration that the right most loves to hate. It’s not necessarily racism—not stemming, that is, from a belief that Holder is somehow inferior or ill-willed because he’s black—but that doesn’t mean it’s not about race.

Limbaugh & D'Souza.In an economy where people are still struggling, no argument works so well as “It’s not your fault you’re doing poorly—someone else is getting what should be yours.”


  • This is what’s going on when Rush Limbaugh compares the Affordable Care Act to “reparations” and talks about “a chip on Obama’s shoulder about the founding of this country … and his opportunity here now to finally make it right,” or


  • When Dinesh D’Souza writes a whole book about President Obama’s beliefs coming from his father’s Kenyan anti-colonialism. The message is simple: Obama has a grudge against white people, and now that he’s President he’s taking it out on you. Sometimes the accusation is that Obama’s doing this indirectly, that he’s inciting black people to racial hatred and retribution—the Trayvon Martin case was a prime example for this theory—as a way to win reëlection, without regard to the consequences for innocent whites.

The message has transferred over to Holder as well. It works principally because of his race, of course, but also because of some of the controversies he’s been involved in, like the New Black Panther Party voter-intimidation case—the furor surrounding that incident, notably, starts from the idea that Obama and Holder would actually ally themselves with the N.B.P.P., a group that gives new meaning to the word “fringe”—and lawsuits against voter I.D. laws.

Texas Congressman John Culberson. At a 2011 hearing at which Holder appeared, John Culberson, a congressman from Texas, told him, “There’s clearly evidence, overwhelming evidence, that your Department of Justice refuses to protect the rights of anybody other than African Americans to vote.”

The Daily Caller. In a piece published by the Daily Caller, Troy Senik, a former speechwriter for President George W. Bush who’s now a senior fellow with the Center for Individual Freedom, psychoanalyzed Holder based on comments he made at that hearing and diagnosed “racial tribalism.” “The attorney general’s obsession with race has been monomaniacal,” Senik wrote. Similarly, last month, the Wall Street Journal’s editorial page slammed Holder for his “racial incitement strategy,” and accused him of “using his considerable power to inflame racial antagonism.”

The Goal: Fast and Furious itself doesn’t have the same kind of racial undercurrent—the conspiracy theory that Obama and Holder plotted it as a way to bring back gun control is more than enough. But it has plenty of appeal just the same, simply because of Holder’s role in it. In an election year, going after him will energize the base, and could help Republicans with white independents.

On top of that, Congressman Darrell Issa has now spent a year and a half investigating the Obama Administration, and he still doesn’t have any major scandals or takedowns to show for it. If he can make anyone fall, it will have to be someone who is, like Holder, already weakened.

Photograph by Chip Somodevilla/Getty.


Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...der-contempt-vote-and-race.html#ixzz1zNh2HjUa


 
:lol:

Thought1 is all over the map with his arguments, from tax cuts to the gun lobby!

The thread is simply about what EH di or didn't provide!

I'll go out on a limb and predict this erratic posting pattern will only get worse the closer to the election. :D


source: NBC News

Investigation finds no evidence Holder knew of 'Fast and Furious' gun-running sting


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U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian A. Terry was killed during a shootout with Mexican bandits south of Tucson, Ariz., in December 2010. Weapons seized afterward were later linked to Operation Fast and Furious, an ATF effort to trace the flow of weapons to Mexican drug cartels

A long-awaited report on the U.S. government’s controversial gun-trafficking operation known as “Fast and Furious” released Wednesday found no evidence that Attorney General Eric Holder knew of the botched effort to trace the flow of guns to Mexico’s drug cartels prior to its public unraveling in January 2011.

The report by the Justice Department’s inspector general said there "no evidence that Attorney General Eric Holder was informed about Operation Fast and Furious, or learned about the tactics employed by ATF in the investigation" before Congress began pressing him for information about it in early 2011.

The inspector general did determine that the acting deputy attorney general, Gary Grindler, received a briefing about the ill-fated gun-tracing operation in March 2010, but that the briefing "failed to alert Grindler to problems in the investigation."

The operation, which reportedly allowed some 2,000 weapons to flow across the border, has become a politically charged partisan dispute heading into the November elections, with congressional Republicans charging that the Obama administration has withheld documents that would show the involvement of senior government officials, including Holder.

On June 28, the Republican-led House of Representatives voted to hold. Holder in contempt of Congress for failing to disclose internal Justice Department documents in response to a subpoena – the first time that sanction has been imposed on a sitting member of a president’s Cabinet.

The department’s inspector general spent more than a year investigating the so-called “gun-walking” scandal – in which agents of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, commonly known by the ATF acronym, in Arizona allow suspected gun runners to take guns into Mexico. The Fast and Furious operation was part of a broader initiative known as Project Gunrunner.

Local ATF officials and local prosecutors believed they could then follow the weapons to the cartel higher-ups in Mexico. It didn't work that way. Thousands of guns were lost and only lower-level straw buyers of the weapons were ever arrested.

Two of the weapons turned up at the scene of a shootout where a federal border agent, Brian Terry, was killed on Dec. 14, 2010, near the Mexico border, though those guns were never tied directly to his death.

Rep. Darrel Issa, R-Calif., who has led the House investigation of Fast and Furious, has estimated that 200 Mexican civilians were killed by weapons linked to the operation.

A Mexican legislator, Humberto Benitez Trevino, claimed last year that weapons that crossed the border during the attempted sting have been linked to the deaths or wounding of at least 150 Mexican civilians, but did not provide any supporting documentation or say how that number was calculated.
 
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I demand an apology for this waste of my tax dollars exercises of the peoples government. It accomplished nothing!
 
I think this is another example of the type of racism I explained in another thread.

Republicans attention-whoring over this isn't racist because the basic nature of a politician is to attention-whore. The racism is how they execute their opposition by holding the AG in contempt. If I'm not mistaken, Holder is the first cabinet-level officer ever held in contempt. Congress didn't feel the need during Iran contra or any other time but here they think it's justified.
 
source: NBC News


A long-awaited report on the U.S. government’s controversial gun-trafficking operation known as “Fast and Furious” released Wednesday found no evidence that Attorney General Eric Holder knew of the botched effort to trace the flow of guns to Mexico’s drug cartels prior to its public unraveling in January 2011.

The report by the Justice Department’s inspector general said there <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">"no evidence that Attorney General Eric Holder was informed about Operation Fast and Furious, or learned about the tactics employed by ATF in the investigation" before Congress began pressing him for information about it in early 2011.</span>


The operation . . . has become a politically charged partisan dispute heading into the November elections, with congressional Republicans charging that the Obama administration has withheld documents that would show the involvement of senior government officials, including Holder.

NOTE: The <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Office of the Inspector General (OIG)</span> in the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) is a</span> statutorily created <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">independent entity</span> whose mission is to detect and deter waste, fraud, abuse, and misconduct in DOJ programs and personnel, and to promote economy and efficiency in those programs. The Inspector General, who is appointed by the President subject to Senate confirmation, <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">reports to</span> the Attorney General and <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Congress</span>. The OIG investigates alleged violations of criminal and civil laws by DOJ employees and also audits and inspects DOJ programs.

 
I think this is another example of the type of racism I explained in another thread.

Republicans attention-whoring over this isn't racist because the basic nature of a politician is to attention-whore. The racism is how they execute their opposition by holding the AG in contempt. If I'm not mistaken, Holder is the first cabinet-level officer ever held in contempt. Congress didn't feel the need during Iran contra or any other time but here they think it's justified.


the first time that sanction has been imposed on a sitting member of a president’s Cabinet.

Read much?

You accused Black folks of blaming their so called problems on "thinking like a politician."

Now you say it is racism.

Damn!
 
NOTE: The Office of the Inspector General (OIG) in the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) is a</SPAN> statutorily created independent entity whose mission is to detect and deter waste, fraud, abuse, and misconduct in DOJ programs and personnel, and to promote economy and efficiency in those programs. The Inspector General, who is appointed by the President subject to Senate confirmation, reports to the Attorney General and Congress. The OIG investigates alleged violations of criminal and civil laws by DOJ employees and also audits and inspects DOJ programs.



Do you think that matters to the libertarian partisans?
 
I've been said the way they EXPRESS their opposition is racist. I would never say the reason they oppose is racist. Is that distinction always made?

People who casually throw out the accusation of racism don't really take racism seriously. "Throw y'all back in chains" for instance.
 
Black people's problem is thinking like a politician. Identifying a problem is reasonable, but when the solution is without substance and is designed to make people look/feel good then it's political.
 
I've been said the way they EXPRESS their opposition is racist. I would never say the reason they oppose is racist. Is that distinction always made?

People who casually throw out the accusation of racism don't really take racism seriously. "Throw y'all back in chains" for instance.

Those were mostly Republicans that made that into a racial remark so you are exactly right because they don't take racism seriously.:yes:
 
So, with that being said......................We have another, failed Bush policy being continued by the Obama Admin! By Holder not willing to be forthcoming about the info the Senate is requesting, he must be coverin-up for ol "W"!

:smh: at those who believe there is a difference between the Dems & Repubs

Liar!!!!

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Those were mostly Republicans that made that into a racial remark so you are exactly right because they don't take racism seriously.:yes:
Oh, Biden didn't mean anything racial with a being in chains reference and changing into a ya'll tone? Nice.

Have you ever considered that you ask for and deserve the way this country treats you?
 
Oh, Biden didn't mean anything racial with a being in chains reference and changing into a ya'll tone? Nice.

Have you ever considered that you ask for and deserve the way this country treats you?


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So the right wing nuts on this board never really care about getting to the bottom of this.


source: msn News

<ARTICLE class=articlecontent sizcache09421600765521931="3" sizset="0"><HEADER>2 men sentenced in Fast and Furious gun case

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Jacob Anthony Montelongo was sentenced to 3 1/2 years in federal prison while Sean Christopher Steward received a nine-year sentence


<SECTION sizcache09421600765521931="1" sizset="0">PHOENIX — Two men have been sentenced to several years behind bars for their roles in a gun smuggling ring that was part of the U.S. government's Operation Fast and Furious.

The U.S. Justice Department says Jacob Anthony Montelongo was sentenced Monday in Phoenix to nearly 3 1/2 years in federal prison after pleading guilty to conspiracy and dealing guns without a license. Sean Christopher Steward received a nine-year sentence for conspiracy and lying.

During the Fast and Furious operation, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents hoped to track illegally obtained weapons to high-level arms traffickers, but authorities lost track of many of the guns.

The operation led to congressional inquiries. It was exposed after two of the illegally obtained weapons were found at the scene of the 2010 fatal shooting of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
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Oh, Biden didn't mean anything racial with a being in chains reference and changing into a ya'll tone? Nice.

Have you ever considered that you ask for and deserve the way this country treats you?

No, he didn't. Talking to a mixed crowd and somehow he was just singling out Black voters? You're going to dislocate your shoulder reaching that far.

Considered it? I've said as much.
 
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