Another Lie! Ryan Links Obama to Plant Closed Under Bush

[thoughtone]

But the repubs will still vote for him.

sourcxe: Yahoo News


In his speech Wednesday evening, Rep. Paul Ryan referenced a Janesville, Wis. GM plant that was shut down, linking its closure to President Obama, who gave a speech there in 2008. But it turns out the plant was shuttered in late 2008 when George W. Bush was still president.

"My home state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory," Ryan said in his convention speech Wednesday night. "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008."

"Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that's how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight," Ryan continued.

The plant Ryan referenced, which he also brought up at an event earlier this month, made its last automobile in December 2008 while President George W. Bush was still in office. The announcement to close the Janesville plant came in June of 2008, after then-candidate Obama spoke there, and the initial projected date for its closing was 2010, according to an AP article from the time.

In February 2008, Obama told employees at the plant "if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years," according to USA Today.

The AP reported Ryan joined with other Wisconsin legislators to lobby GM to keep the plant open, but they were unsuccessful.

 

[QueEx]

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Ah, you guys with your facts and talking points based on them.

 

[thoughtone]

source: Mediaite

Romney Pollster: We Won’t ‘Let Our Campaign Be Dictated By Fact-Checkers’

For the past month, the Republican campaign has been hammering President Obama over cutting out work requirements for welfare. The Romney campaign has been rebutted by many fact-checking organizations over inaccuracies in the claim, and during a panel discussion today, Romney pollster Neil Newhouse responded to the criticism, saying, “We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers.”

RELATED: Newt Gingrich Tells Anderson Cooper There’s ‘No Proof’ For
Romney Welfare Attack

Earlier this month, after Mitt Romney alleged that under Obama’s welfare plan, “you wouldn’t have to work… they just send you your welfare check,” PolitiFact rated his claim Pants on Fire. PolitiFact said it was a “distortion of the planned changes” in current welfare law.

CNN fact-checked the claims last week, noting that the Obama administration granted welfare waivers after governors of multiple states, including Republicans, asked for “more flexibility in how they hand out welfare dollars.”

The Washington Post piled on and gave the Romney campaign’s welfare ad “four Pinocchios.” The president himself said of the Romney campaign’s welfare ad, “Every single person here who’s looked at it says it’s patently false.” Even recent news headlines have acknowledged factual inaccuracies in the Romney campaign’s claims, from the AP’s “Romney pushes on with discredited welfare attacks” to CBS News’ “The real strategy behind Romney’s (lying) welfare ads.”

Greg Sargent contrasts today’s statement by Romney’s pollster with what Romney himself said earlier this year about how the Obama campaign keeps running inaccurate ads.

“You know, in the past, when people pointed out that something was inaccurate, why, campaigns pulled the ad,” Romney said on the radio. “They were embarrassed. Today, they just blast ahead. You know, the various fact checkers look at some of these charges in the Obama ads and they say that they’re wrong, and inaccurate, and yet he just keeps on running them.”
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[QueEx]

Romney Pollster:
We Won’t ‘Let Our Campaign Be Dictated By Fact-Checkers’

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So, are you saying they think its okay to just tell a lot of . . .

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[thoughtone]

So, are you saying they think its okay to just tell a lot of . . .

If they think it's gong to get them elected, by any means necessary!

 

[QueEx]

Well, then it must necessary by all means!

 

[muckraker10021]

The RepubliKlans are unmitigated liars, 24/7, 365 days of the year. How to you sell a policy to the American people that consists of massive tax cuts for the rich, — increasing the defense budget which is already greater than the military budgets of all other countries in the world combined, — ending Medicare by giving out coupons to be used at the “Health Care Mafia” private insurance companies — ending Social Security as it currently exists by sending the trillions of dollars to the Banksters on Wall street and outlawing women’s rights to control their own bodies (abortion, birth control)?? You lie!! You lie!! every time you open your mouth, and with the assistance of the corporate media you get away with the lies.

The facts and article below are not speculation, not hearsay. The events depicted really happened on the dates outlined. The participants are all listed accurately.

Ask yourself a question. If Democratic politicians had such a meeting the day after BuShit was appointed president of the US in December 2000 — would the corporate television media completely omit any mention of top Democratic politicians meeting to plot the destruction of the BuShit presidency??

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On The Night Of Obama's Inauguration
GOP MEETS TO PLAN SABOTAGE OF HIS PRESIDENCY


On January 20, 2009 Republican Leaders in Congress literally plotted to sabotage and undermine U.S. Economy during President Obama's Inauguration.

In Robert Draper's book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives" Draper wrote that during a four hour, "invitation only" meeting with GOP Hate-Propaganda Minister, Frank Luntz, the below listed Senior GOP Law Writers literally plotted to sabotage, undermine and destroy America's Economy.

The Guest List:
Frank Luntz - GOP Minister of Propaganda
<span style="background-color:yellow"><b> Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)</b></span>
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA),
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX),
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX),
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA),
Sen. Jim DeMint (SC-R),
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ-R),
Sen. Tom Coburn (OK-R),
Sen. John Ensign (NV-R) and
Sen. Bob Corker (TN-R).
Non-lawmakers present Newt Gingrich

During the four hour meeting:
The senior GOP members plotted to bring Congress to a standstill regardless how much it would hurt the American Economy by pledging to obstruct and block President Obama on all legislation.

These Republican members of Congress were not simply airing their complaints regarding the other party's political platform for four long hours. No, these Republican Congressional Policymakers, who were elected to do 'the People's work' were literally plotting to sabotage, undermine and destroy the U.S. Economy.

READ the rest: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...-Plot-To-Sabotage-US-Economy-with-Frank-Luntz

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[macker007]

The RepubliKlans are unmitigated liars, 24/7, 365 days of the year. How to you sell a policy to the American people that consists of massive tax cuts for the rich, — increasing the defense budget which is already greater than the military budgets of all other countries in the world combined, — ending Medicare by giving out coupons to be used at the “Health Care Mafia” private insurance companies — ending Social Security as it currently exists by sending the trillions of dollars to the Banksters on Wall street and outlawing women’s rights to control their own bodies (abortion, birth control)?? You lie!! You lie!! every time you open your mouth, and with the assistance of the corporate media you get away with the lies.

The facts and article below are not speculation, not hearsay. The events depicted really happened on the dates outlined. The participants are all listed accurately.

Ask yourself a question. If Democratic politicians had such a meeting the day after BuShit was appointed president of the US in December 2000 — would the corporate television media completely omit any mention of top Democratic politicians meeting to plot the destruction of the BuShit presidency??

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On The Night Of Obama's Inauguration
GOP MEETS TO PLAN SABOTAGE OF HIS PRESIDENCY


On January 20, 2009 Republican Leaders in Congress literally plotted to sabotage and undermine U.S. Economy during President Obama's Inauguration.

In Robert Draper's book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives" Draper wrote that during a four hour, "invitation only" meeting with GOP Hate-Propaganda Minister, Frank Luntz, the below listed Senior GOP Law Writers literally plotted to sabotage, undermine and destroy America's Economy.

The Guest List:
Frank Luntz - GOP Minister of Propaganda
<span style="background-color:yellow"><b> Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)</b></span>
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA),
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX),
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX),
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA),
Sen. Jim DeMint (SC-R),
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ-R),
Sen. Tom Coburn (OK-R),
Sen. John Ensign (NV-R) and
Sen. Bob Corker (TN-R).
Non-lawmakers present Newt Gingrich

During the four hour meeting:
The senior GOP members plotted to bring Congress to a standstill regardless how much it would hurt the American Economy by pledging to obstruct and block President Obama on all legislation.

These Republican members of Congress were not simply airing their complaints regarding the other party's political platform for four long hours. No, these Republican Congressional Policymakers, who were elected to do 'the People's work' were literally plotting to sabotage, undermine and destroy the U.S. Economy.

READ the rest: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...-Plot-To-Sabotage-US-Economy-with-Frank-Luntz

<img src="http://i.minus.com/ibaZ3d98T3nKbQ.png" width="600">

Good stuff

 

[QueEx]

Good stuff

Yeah, but is it true ???

Actinanass,

You appear to be the Resident GOP-truthsayer-in-chief, what do you say ???


Did the meeting Draper described occur; and, if so, what was on the agenda ???

 

[muckraker10021]

Yeah, but is it true ???

Actinanass,

You appear to be the Resident GOP-truthsayer-in-chief, what do you say ???


Did the meeting Draper described occur; and, if so, what was on the agenda ???

<span style="background-color:yellow"><strong>FACT: Newt Gingrich confirms meeting took place in an
interview with Al Sharpton's Politics Nation on June 12, 2012</strong></span>
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<strong>SHARPTON</strong>: "In fact, let`s go to a book that Mr. Draper wrote about the night of the inauguration. There was a meeting at a hotel near the inaugural ball, about a mile away ... He writes about that night the plan was to show united and unyielding opposition to the president`s economic policies ... And Draper writes that you told the group -- you, Newt Gingrich - said",

<strong><em>"You will remember this day...you will remember this day the seeds of 2012 were sown</em></strong>. "<br />

<strong>SHARPTON</strong>: If there was a commitment from day one, before he ever took a seat<br />behind the desk of the Oval Office, that everyone was going to obstruct<br />him, then what he`s done has been almost unbelievable, against those kind<br />of odds, Speaker Gingrich.<br /><br />
<strong>NEWT</strong>: It was an important meeting and I was glad and honored<br /> to be part of it.
<br />
<strong>SHARPTON</strong>: I`m glad you admit you had it. </div>

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It is not difficult to find out if Mr. Draper's book is accurate. Let's look at the digital video.


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[thoughtone]

source: Think Progress

Paul Ryan Acknowledges Requesting Federal Money From Program Funded By Obamacare

Earlier this week, the Nation uncovered the fact that Paul Ryan — who has voted with his party to repeal President Obama’s health care law over 30 times — requested Obamacare funds for his Wisconsin district in 2010. However, after the news broke that Ryan sought to fund a new community health center with federal money provided through health care reform, his campaign was quick to retort that grant program has nothing to do with supporting Obamacare because it was created under former President George W. Bush.

Bush did support federal grant programs for community health centers during his presidency. But the specific grant requested by Ryan is funded through Obamacare, which provides $11 billion to expand community health centers. When Ryan requested the funds in 2010, they represented money that Obama approved — under a law that Ryan has referred to as “Washington’s reckless spending spree.”

As the Huffington Post points out, it’s difficult to understand the distinction between Ryan’s support for Bush’s health care spending and his opposition to the exact same health care spending under Obamacare:

But the response from Ryan’s spokesman [Brendan Buck] also raises a question about the candidate’s philosophy on federal spending on health care: Why would he consider dollars approved by Bush to be a good use of money, but funds approved by Obama to be bad?

“Don’t dumb things down,” Buck suggested to HuffPost. “You think he’s opposed to all federal spending on health care? Health care spending makes up a significant portion of his budget.”

On the specific program in question, related to community health centers, Buck said Ryan was merely supporting a constituent. “It’s casework,” he said. “As a general principle he’s not going to turn away his constituents who come to him for help based on his own views of a program.”
​

Ryan is not alone in his hypocrisy. A laundry list of Republican lawmakers have suggested scrapping Obamacare only to replace it with the exact same health reform measures. When health care reform is acceptable under Republicans but unconstitutional under Obama, GOPers expose themselves as putting partisanship over policy.

 

[thoughtone]

source: Think Progress


Unhappy Anniversary: Republicans Have Blocked The American Jobs Act For One Year


On September 8, 2011 — one year ago tomorrow — President Obama laid out a series of policy proposals known collectively as the American Jobs Act. The plan included stimulus spending in the form of immediate infrastructure investments, tax credits for working Americans and employers to encourage consumer spending and job growth, and efforts to shore up state and local budgets to prevent further layoffs of teachers, firefighters, police officers, and other public safety officials.

The American Jobs Act never became law, however, because Republicans opposed it from the start, blasting it as another form of “failed stimulus” that wouldn’t help the economy. (They ignored the fact that the first “failed stimulus,” the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, wasn’t a failure at all.) One month later, the GOP blocked the bill in the Senate, preventing the creation of more than a million jobs and the added growth that multiple economists predicted would occur if the bill passed:

–Moody’s Analytics estimated the American Jobs Act would create 1.9 million jobs and add two percent to gross domestic product.

–The Economic Policy Institute estimated it would create 2.6 million jobs and protect an addition 1.6 million existing jobs.

–Macroeconomic Advisers predicted it would create 2.1 million jobs and boost GDP by 1.5 percent.

–Goldman Sachs estimated it would add 1.5 percent to GDP.
​

The American economy has continued to recover since the American Jobs Act failed. It added 96,000 jobs last month, according to today’s Bureau of Labor Statistics report, making August the 30th consecutive month in which the private sector has grown. But growth could have been faster: the public sector shed 7,000 jobs in August, adding to the more 700,000 it has lost since 2009. That includes hundreds of thousands of teachers and educators, firefighters, and police officers. Had the public sector spent the last three years growing at its previous rate, unemployment would be at least a full point lower than it is now.

The American Jobs Act and policies like it would have unquestionably boosted job creation and economic growth, a stark contrast to the tax-cutting policies put forth by congressional Republicans, whose “job creation” bills would have actually destroyed thousands of jobs. Republicans nevertheless continue to ignore economists and basic economics, instead pushing supply-side tax policies that have repeatedly failed to boost job creation and economic growth.

 

[QueEx]

<span style="background-color:yellow"><strong>FACT: Newt Gingrich confirms meeting took place in an
interview with Al Sharpton's Politics Nation on June 12, 2012</strong></span>
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<strong>SHARPTON</strong>: "In fact, let`s go to a book that Mr. Draper wrote about the night of the inauguration. There was a meeting at a hotel near the inaugural ball, about a mile away ... He writes about that night the plan was to show united and unyielding opposition to the president`s economic policies ... And Draper writes that you told the group -- you, Newt Gingrich - said",

<strong><em>"You will remember this day...you will remember this day the seeds of 2012 were sown</em></strong>. "<br />

<strong>SHARPTON</strong>: If there was a commitment from day one, before he ever took a seat<br />behind the desk of the Oval Office, that everyone was going to obstruct<br />him, then what he`s done has been almost unbelievable, against those kind<br />of odds, Speaker Gingrich.<br /><br />
<strong>NEWT</strong>: It was an important meeting and I was glad and honored<br /> to be part of it.
<br />
<strong>SHARPTON</strong>: I`m glad you admit you had it. </div>

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Well, actinanass, you took too long. Muckraker answered for you. But I didn't think you were going to respond, anyway

 

[QueEx]

Romney Pollster:
We Won’t ‘Let Our Campaign Be Dictated By Fact-Checkers’

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How Republicans reinforce campaign of lies

Robert Reich
San Francisco Chronicle
Saturday, September 8, 2012

"We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers," says Neil Newhouse, a Romney pollster.

A half dozen fact-checking organizations and websites have refuted claims by Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan that President Obama removed the work requirement from the welfare law and will cut Medicare benefits by $716 billion. The New York Times even reported that Romney has been "falsely charging" Obama with removing the work requirement.

USA Today calls the Romney campaign's claim that Obama has "funneled" money out of Medicare to pay for the federal health care law a "false line of attack" that's directly contradicted by Medicare's chief actuary. "Medicare's money isn't being taken away," the paper concludes.


Notwithstanding these refutations, the Romney campaign continues to make these charges.

Most political campaigns are guilty of exaggeration. Some distort the truth. But rarely if ever has one resorted to such bald-faced lies - even after they're shown to be lies.

Presumably the Romney campaign continues to make these and other false claims because they're effective, swaying previously undecided voters Romney's way. But this raises a more basic question:

How can these false claims remain effective when they've been so overwhelmingly discredited by the media?

The answer is that the Republican Party has developed three means of bypassing the mainstream media and its fact-checkers:

The first is by repeating big lies so often in TV spots - financed by a mountain of campaign money - that the public can no longer recall (if it ever knew) that the mainstream media and its fact-checkers have disproven them.

The money is the result of a series of court decisions and regulatory changes, beginning with the Supreme Court's 2010 ruling in Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission. Fully a quarter of the $350 million amassed by super PACs through the end of July came from just 10 donors, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan group that tracks such spending. And most of that money is financing negative ads targeting President Obama and other Democrats.

Several hundred million more is being gathered by political groups masquerading as nonprofits, such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Because of a loophole in IRS regulations that allows these donors to remain secret, big corporations and Wall Street banks can contribute as much as they want without even their own shareholders knowing how much or to whom.

The second means the GOP has developed to protect its mistruths is discrediting the mainstream media - asserting that it's run by "liberal elites" who can't be trusted to tell the truth. "I am tired of the elite media protecting Barack Obama by attacking Republicans," Newt Gingrich charged at a Republican debate in January in what has become a standard GOP attack line.

To be sure, the mainstream media hasn't always called it correctly. Initially it bought the Bush administration's claim that there were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq. But the mainstream media is at least committed to professional standards that separate truth from fiction, seek objective facts, correct errors and disseminate the truth.

The third means the GOP uses to protect itself is its own media outlets - led by Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and his yell-radio imitators, book publisher Regnery and the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, along with a right-wing blogosphere. Even if these outlets don't spread the lies directly, they can at least spread doubt about what's true.​

Together, these three mechanisms are creating a parallel Republican universe of Orwellian dimensions, where anything can be asserted, where pollsters and political advisers are free to create whatever concoction of lies will help elect their candidate and where "fact-checkers" are as irrelevant and intrusive as is the truth.

Whether all this helps the Republican Party in 2012 is of less consequence than the larger danger it poses to America. Democracy cannot thrive when truth becomes irrelevant. To the contrary, history teaches that this is how demagogues take root.

The Romney campaign has decided it won't be dictated by fact-checkers. But a society without trusted arbiters of what is true and what is false is vulnerable to every lie imaginable.

Robert Reich, chancellor's professor of public policy at the University of California and former U.S. secretary of labor, is the author of the newly released "Beyond Outrage: What Has Gone Wrong With Our Economy and Our Democracy, and How to Fix It," a Knopf e-book original. Send your feedback through our online form at www.sfgate.com/chronicle/submissions/#1.​

SOURCE: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/reich/article/How-Republicans-reinforce-campaign-of-lies-3850026.php