Chick Fil A Appreciation Day? GTFOHWTBS!!

[Upgrade Dave]

Help me out somebody.

Thousands of working class people are giving money to a very rich White man in support of his freedom to aid in the supression of someone else's freedom?

It's too fucking hot be sheep, man.

 

[Majestic Lion]

No, they're giving him money to show support of his right to hold an opinion. Personally I think his opinion is narrow in scope but that's his business, not mine. His personal opinion hasn't been shown to hold sway in discriminating against whether certain people get served at his businesses, nor whether they are discriminated against with regards to employment.

Prove either of those two and you'd(not you personally UD) have a valid argument. Otherwise this is all just populist mob rule. Trying to shout him down won't make him change his mind.

 

[Blu Diablo]

I think it's a classic case of killing a gnat with a sledgehammer.

With Mr. Cathy stating that his company supports "traditional" marriage, folks in support of gay marriage would understandably react. They are fighting for a civil right and need to react anytime they feel that their fight is being challenged.

The overreaction came from legislators in Chicago & Boston, which caused a knee-jerk reaction from those espousing the view that "Christian" beliefs are under attack.

At the end of the day, Mr. Cathy's business has not been found guilty of any type of discrimination despite his beliefs and he is entitled to his point of view.

Brotha Maj, I don't think this is a matter of having to prove Chick-Fil-A discriminated against anyone, but more of a matter of supporting or not supporting a business owned by someone that supports a certain belief.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

No, they're giving him money to show support of his right to hold an opinion. Personally I think his opinion is narrow in scope but that's his business, not mine. His personal opinion hasn't been shown to hold sway in discriminating against whether certain people get served at his businesses, nor whether they are discriminated against with regards to employment.

Prove either of those two and you'd(not you personally UD) have a valid argument. Otherwise this is all just populist mob rule. Trying to shout him down won't make him change his mind.

He has the right to whatever opinion he wishes but when he enters the public sphere, he should expect backlash. He exercises his right, people that oppose and support him exercise theirs. No one is trying to make him change his mind, they're just not giving him money he can use to fight against their rights.
This foolishness right here though is one of those examples of how people like to do nothing but pretend it's something. Okay, you ate their one day so there's a minor bump in sales for one month maybe. If a person likes Chick Fil A (I don't) and went there to eat, great. But if they showed up to "make a statement", they need to grow up.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I think it's a classic case of killing a gnat with a sledgehammer.

With Mr. Cathy stating that his company supports "traditional" marriage, folks in support of gay marriage would understandably react. They are fighting for a civil right and need to react anytime they feel that their fight is being challenged.

The overreaction came from legislators in Chicago & Boston, which caused a knee-jerk reaction from those espousing the view that "Christian" beliefs are under attack.
At the end of the day, Mr. Cathy's business has not been found guilty of any type of discrimination despite his beliefs and he is entitled to his point of view.

Brotha Maj, I don't think this is a matter of having to prove Chick-Fil-A discriminated against anyone, but more of a matter of supporting or not supporting a business owned by someone that supports a certain belief.

Never quite understood where the mayors of Chicago and Boston were going with that whole thing.

It's not about them discriminating in the business itself but taking CFA money and giving it to groups that actively fight against gay causes.

 

[Pitchdogg]

FACT: The company does not officially endorse this event, declared by Mike Huckabee.


IMO: Mike Huckabee is as irrevelant as the Chik Fila cow. No one cares about your "conservative" views. That shit doesn't fly everywhere. So eat mor chik n!

 

[Blu Diablo]

Never quite understood where the mayors of Chicago and Boston were going with that whole thing.

It's not about them discriminating in the business itself but taking CFA money and giving it to groups that actively fight against gay causes.

This is exacty what it should be about, but way too many people got hung up on Mr. Cathy's statement and not Mr. Cathy's actions.

 

[Majestic Lion]

The overreaction came from legislators in Chicago & Boston, which caused a knee-jerk reaction from those espousing the view that "Christian" beliefs are under attack.

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Brotha Maj, I don't think this is a matter of having to prove Chick-Fil-A discriminated against anyone, but more of a matter of supporting or not supporting a business owned by someone that supports a certain belief.

I absolutely agree about the overreaction. To me that all just stank of politicians pandering for votes.

As to not supporting a business because of publicly-stated beliefs, that's all well and good but we both know that it won't stop there. Gay money - of which there is plenty - will go after him and his business(es), which is another matter entirely.

Yes, that's how the game is as it's played and it's been that way for however long. AIPAC in particular is very good at it. Does that make it right? Especially according to the frequently-parroted "American Rights" people love to bring up at these times?

You either live by principle or you don't, and that's the glaring hypocrisy that needs to be addressed in this and other spheres.

He has the right to whatever opinion he wishes but when he enters the public sphere, he should expect backlash. He exercises his right, people that oppose and support him exercise theirs. No one is trying to make him change his mind, they're just not giving him money he can use to fight against their rights.

That is exactly what all this noise is about, to get people to fall in line. Even if he doesn't change his opinion, all this pressure is to get the man to publicly back down from his statements...because if you're not saying anything in opposition to a cause, then you're giving tacit approval...

...and "tacit approval" facilitates the environment where all manner of fuckery can thrive.

This foolishness right here though is one of those examples of how people like to do nothing but pretend it's something. Okay, you ate their one day so there's a minor bump in sales for one month maybe. If a person likes Chick Fil A (I don't) and went there to eat, great. But if they showed up to "make a statement", they need to grow up.

LOL! You're getting old on us, man. That read like an old man on his porch yelling "GET OFF MY LAWN! AND GET A HAIRCUT!"

I can't fault people for wanting to make "little" gestures, it's how people without money make themselves heard. Little things add up to big things if you're motivated enough.

 

[Drayonis]

No, they're giving him money to show support of his right to hold an opinion. Personally I think his opinion is narrow in scope but that's his business, not mine. His personal opinion hasn't been shown to hold sway in discriminating against whether certain people get served at his businesses, nor whether they are discriminated against with regards to employment.

Prove either of those two and you'd(not you personally UD) have a valid argument. Otherwise this is all just populist mob rule. Trying to shout him down won't make him change his mind.

It's not about his "opinion" he's donating money to religious activist groups in order for them to sway political opinion against gay marriage.

If it was just his opinion no one would care. When you spend the money to discriminate that's when people are going to protest.

I don't care either way, but I understand why they care. The gay activists really did a piss poor job of explaining it wasn't his opinion but his financial backing of those right wing groups.

If a company came out tomorrow and said they supported the KKK financially Black people would protest and whites would patronize the store.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

As to not supporting a business because of publicly-stated beliefs, that's all well and good but we both know that it won't stop there. Gay money - of which there is plenty - will go after him and his business(es), which is another matter entirely.

And they should. Conservatives have no problem using their money to further their political agenda so why should anyone else?

You either live by principle or you don't, and that's the glaring hypocrisy that needs to be addressed in this and other spheres.

I agree. But his credit (or my lack of paying attention), it's not Cathy out trying to rally this faux sympathy.

That is exactly what all this noise is about, to get people to fall in line. Even if he doesn't change his opinion, all this pressure is to get the man to publicly back down from his statements...because if you're not saying anything in opposition to a cause, then you're giving tacit approval...

...and "tacit approval" facilitates the environment where all manner of fuckery can thrive.

No, it's not. If he was just talking, I would agree but he's acting and using CFA money to further his religious beliefs in the political sphere.

LOL! You're getting old on us, man. That read like an old man on his porch yelling "GET OFF MY LAWN! AND GET A HAIRCUT!"

I can't fault people for wanting to make "little" gestures, it's how people without money make themselves heard. Little things add up to big things if you're motivated enough.

There I disagree with you. These little gestures begin and end right there most of the time. Like the "Dont Buy Gas on Monday" crowd, who still have to buy gas later anyway. But they're rarely the ones that decide "You know what, I'm taking the bus/train to work from now on".

It's not about his "opinion" he's donating money to religious activist groups in order for them to sway political opinion against marriage.

If it was just his opinion no one would care. When you spend the money to discriminate that's when people are going to protest.

 

[Majestic Lion]

If a company came out tomorrow and said they supported the KKK financially Black people would protest and whites would patronize the store.

LOL. I see what you're saying. Protest in and of itself is too limited an approach, anyway. As part of a multifaceted plan, yes...by itself, no. That's what Upgrade Dave is getting at, I believe.

And they should. Conservatives have no problem using their money to further their political agenda so why should anyone else?

Becoming them in order to "win" is every bit as bad as doing nothing. By any kind of extrapolation that just puts everything in a terminal downward spiral.


Well it all already is, but still.

 

[Daddy43205]

i been feinding for some chic-fil-a lately

 

[actinanass]

maybe they like chicken sandwiches...

 

[Upgrade Dave]

LOL. I see what you're saying. Protest in and of itself is too limited an approach, anyway. As part of a multifaceted plan, yes...by itself, no. That's what Upgrade Dave is getting at, I believe.

I am. I hate "small gestures" that don't mean anything.

Becoming them in order to "win" is every bit as bad as doing nothing. By any kind of extrapolation that just puts everything in a terminal downward spiral.


Well it all already is, but still.

I'm not talking about becoming "them". The conservative side likes to deal and traffic in lies and purposeful misinformation, that's not what I'm talking about. But putting your money where your mouth and beliefs are is the one thing I think they do well and progressives need to figure out and do as often and as strongly.

 

[thoughtone]

Lesbians taste like chicken!

 

[QueEx]

This thread to this point (and I hope it continues) has been a really good read for me (just getting to watch/read good minds interact -- is always awesome).

Personally, I thought the local politicians, i.e., the Mayor of Chicago, etc., didn't think first before making comments giving the impression that a business couldn't be and/or shouldn't be licensed or permitted in a town because of the political views of its principals. As most of the posters recognize and have ably pointed out, that would be an impermissible reason to deny a license and most certainly to be overturned in court. That being the case, why even say it -- and immediately give the other side a talking point/argument it is sure to win -- knowing that its a statement/position that you will most certainly find yourself in retreat?

Of course, the idea could have been -- just make a ridiculous statement to show support of a particular voter-group (i.e., the LBGT community) knowing full well that business licenses, i.e., for Chic-Fil-A or similar, would never be an issue.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

That's what I was hoping to accomplish by putting it here instead of the main board or on my Facebook page. A couple of my friends posted some CFA pictures I guess to show they went and I had to fire off something but whenever we engage on the same sex marriage topic (and related like this one), I always feel like I fighting below my weight class and to spare their feelings, I hold back. I don't have that inhibition here.

 

[QueEx]

That's what I was hoping to accomplish by putting it here . . .

I guess I should have kept my mouth closed, LOL, the discussion seems to have cooled.

. . . whenever we engage on the same sex marriage topic (and related like this one), I always feel like I fighting below my weight class and to spare their feelings, I hold back. I don't have that inhibition here.

At least one segment of the black religious community is tacking an interesting course on that topic. I've seen video of the founder of the Coalition of African American Pastors, Reverend William Owens, and his take on Obama's stance on gay marriage it's not pretty. Owens says that if the President doesn't change his stance on same sex marriage, black turnout will be affected.

I intend to start a thread regarding Owen's comments.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I guess I should have kept my mouth closed, LOL, the discussion seems to have cooled.




At least one segment of the black religious community is tacking an interesting course on that topic. I've seen video of the founder of the Coalition of African American Pastors, Reverend William Owens, and his take on Obama's stance on gay marriage it's not pretty. Owens says that if the President doesn't change his stance on same sex marriage, black turnout will be affected.

I intend to start a thread regarding Owen's comments.

Please do. I had heard of it but I hadn't seen it yet.

Methinks the Pastor overestimates his own stroke.

 

[QueEx]

Please do. I had heard of it but I hadn't seen it yet.

Methinks the Pastor overestimates his own stroke.

Not only that, but is he presumptive in speaking for Black people, in general

 

[DragonXJC]

How does this affect the flavor of their chicken?

 

[MASTERBAKER]

WATCH: Chick-fil-A bully bounced from job after YouTube rant Read more: http://www.n

WATCH: Chick-fil-A bully bounced from job after YouTube rant

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TUCSON, Ariz. — An executive at a Tucson medical manufacturing firm has lost his job after directing verbal attacks at a Chick-fil-A employee.

Adam Smith filmed himself berating the employee Wednesday for statements the company's president has made in opposition to same-sex unions. Smith then posted the video online but later removed it.

The Arizona Daily Star reports that Smith stepped down as chief financial officer of Vante shortly after.

Vante president Roger Vogel says Smith's comments were inappropriate, and the decision for him to step down was mutual.

Gay rights activists and other gay marriage supporters are planning a "Kiss In" at Chick-fil-A restaurants Friday as a protest.

The event follows a customer appreciation day Wednesday that set a one-day sales record.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nation...from_job_7pvErVV1rVD7kDMppftt4N#ixzz22VZWTK4h

 

[royal]

all i know is i haven't followed all this chik fila news, i did see a few bgol threads and a week ago on the news i saw parking lots backed up with supporters... There's no chick fil within 20 minutes of me (at least i don't know of any). Today i'm on the south side of town, at the gas station pumping, i see a chik fil A sign! i'm like, sounds good, i haven't had any in a month or 2, i'm getting a milk shake while i'm at it!

I'm getting close, put my signal on, man...i couldn't even turn in that shyt, drive thru backed the fk up, they had 2 police officers in the parking lot. I wonder if they been packed everyday like that since the owners comments...if so, i know they've been making some serious money. all i wanted was a juicy ass chicken sandwich, those salty curly fries and fkn milk shake, but because of all that political shyt, i couldn't even get what i wanted. ended up at krystal's.