ObamaCare - UPHELD
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The Supreme Court upheld President Obama's health care law today in a splintered, complex opinion that gives Obama a major election-year victory.
Basically. the justices said that the individual mandate -- the requirement that most Americans buy health insurance or pay a fine -- is constitutional as a tax.
Chief Justice John Roberts -- a conservative appointed by President George W. Bush -- provided the key vote to preserve the landmark health care law, which figures to be a major issue in Obama's re-election bid against Republican opponent Mitt Romney.
- http://content.usatoday.com/communi...ourt-rules-on-Obama-health-care-plan-718037/1
It is official. Goerge W. Bush's sordid legacy is complete.
Congradulations, everyone !! We can now now be taxed for standing still !!!
Just to give you an idea of what they are saying today in the aftermath
of the decision of the Supreme Court upholding the President's Affordable
Healthcare legislation, here is a list of the headlines from Real Clear Politics
on the subject:
Supreme Court Lets Health Law Largely Stand - Liptak & Cushman, NYT
John Roberts Changes His Legacy - Bob Shrum, The Daily Beast
It Falls to Congress to Undo This Monstrosity - Roger Pilon, Cato Institute
Court Ruling Boosts Romney's Coffers, Repeal Message - Erin McPike, RCP
Health Law Stands: A Victory for Fairness - Amy Davidson, The New Yorker
Obama's Middle-Class Vulnerability - Mort Zuckerman, US News & WR
The Supreme Court's Surprise - John Steele Gordon, Commentary
Now Obama Must Forcefully Sell Health Reform - Alec MacGillis, TNR
Enraged Conservatives Threaten to Move to Canada, Where There’s No Socialized Medicine! Oh, Wait.
Erin Gloria Ryan
Today's health care decision really brought the idiot boys to the yard — and they're mad. So mad, in fact, that they've got half a mind to pack it all up and move somewhere that they'll be free of the tyranny of socialized medicine. Like Canada. Which has had socialized medicine since the late 1970's.
After news of the Affordable Care Act ruling set the internet ablaze with Important Opinions, Buzzfeed's Twitter masochists rounded up one of their signature collections of people being dumb on Twitter. This batch of dummies were incensed over the Supreme Court's ruling and were just about ready to move out of the country. Since Canada's both nearby and English-speaking, what better place for people who hate socialism to emigrate?
That'll teach Obama. Teach him good.
Erin Gloria Ryan
Today's health care decision really brought the idiot boys to the yard — and they're mad. So mad, in fact, that they've got half a mind to pack it all up and move somewhere that they'll be free of the tyranny of socialized medicine. Like Canada. Which has had socialized medicine since the late 1970's.
After news of the Affordable Care Act ruling set the internet ablaze with Important Opinions, Buzzfeed's Twitter masochists rounded up one of their signature collections of people being dumb on Twitter. This batch of dummies were incensed over the Supreme Court's ruling and were just about ready to move out of the country. Since Canada's both nearby and English-speaking, what better place for people who hate socialism to emigrate?
That'll teach Obama. Teach him good.
Nope. From good ol' libertarian me
Oh, those saps. Get off my public roads!
Public roads are financed from state & federal gas taxes!
Which so called libertarians appose, In fact the Interstate Highway System is a big government socialist program that created and creates jobs. Libertarians fail again!
Well, the supreme court made their decision. That's pretty much all I have to say about this one.
Aren't they my public roads too. Maybe I should get taxed if I don't use the roads.
The real saps are you beggars to your own demise. All stautory schemes to "help the poor" impact the middle class the most.
Where the Uninsured Live
Now that the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld the Affordable Care Act, it's worth taking another look at a visual representation of the millions of Americans who still lack health insurance. A few months back, our own Richard Florida broke down the geography of America's uninsured noting the "uninsured belt” he saw running through much of the South and the Sunbelt.
Nationwide, 17.1 percent of Americans lacked health insurance in 2011, according to the Gallup Healthways Well-Being Index, which also produced the map below. But there are stark differences between the states. More than one in five people are uninsured in roughly a dozen states, starting with Texas (27.6 percent), Mississippi (23.5 percent), Florida (22.9 percent), Oklahoma (22.1 percent), California (22.0 percent), and Nevada (21.9 percent). Compare those figures with Massachusetts, which boasts the lowest rate of uninsured people in the nation, at less than five percent. Massachusetts, of course, already has an individual mandate thanks to the health-care reform efforts of former governor Mitt Romney.
SOURCE: http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2012/06/where-uninsured-live/2403/
Not even biggest in U.S. history
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Watch the video above. The RepubliKlans don’t give a shit about any of the people in the video. The RepubliKlans look at the people in the video and they see them as 'losers', 'parasites','looters' and 'moochers'. In their cult-hero worship of the ideology of Ayn Rand they see the 'losers' standing in line to see a doctor as 'disposable people'- trash! The RepubliKlans are sociopaths whose guiding precept is “the virtue of selfishness”; — in street language this means — ‘I got mine $$$$$$- Fuck You!! Ironically Ayn Rand who Paul Ryan, Alan Greenspan and the RepubliKlans worship as the high priestess of objectivism and self-sufficiency, a woman who opposed charity and rejected social programs; —Rand received both Social Security and Medicare in her life — what a lying fraud & hypocrite.
The collective RepubliKlan plan for the sick people in the video above is…..Fuck You….you poor bastards,…you can’t afford “health care mafia” insurance?,…. not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid?,….. not old enough to qualify for Medicare?,….well….too bad mother fucker, suck it up….get a pair of pliers and pull your own rotting tooth,…..got a curable disease but can’t afford the treatment….die mother fucker, die ,die, die quickly.
This is the reality and truth of the RepubliKlan position when you corner them with facts that destroy their propaganda talking points.
Why are so many people uninsured? Why don’t they just go on Medicaid?
Let’s answer the first question first. Health Care Mafia monthly insurance premiums for even a policy that only covers an individual are about $190 per month, $2280 per year. For a family plan the numbers are $414 per month, $4,968 per year. These numbers are as of (May 2012) and are for insurance purchased via your employer provided plan. The cost is even higher if you try to buy a policy individually as a self-employed person. For millions of hard working Americans, some working 60 hours a week divided between two jobs, these premiums are unaffordable.
Why are the unaffordable?
They are unaffordable because formerly solidly middle-class American wage earners are NO LONGER middle-class;………they are fucking poor…..but don’t you dare call them poor; at least 35% of them will vote for ‘Mute’ Romney — the automaton that answers no questions.
The destruction of the American middle-class which was once the envy of the world has been underway for 30 years. Figures released (OCT. 20, 2011) but barely mentioned on corporate television media (CBS, NBC, ABC, <s>FOX</s> FAKE, CNN) revealed that <SPAN style="background-color:yellow">30% of all Americans are earning less than $15,000 a year!!.......and 50% of all Americans are earning less than $26,364 a year!!!...... </SPAN> the lowest levels since 1999, after adjusting for inflation.......and...<SPAN style="background-color:yellow">the number of people making more than $1 million increased by 20 percent over 2009</span> Read: REUTERS- David Cay Johnston-Oct.20.2011
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Let’s use the state of Florida as an example of what it takes to get onto Medicaid. In Florida in order to qualify for Medicaid your monthly income must NOT exceed $2094 a month AND you can’t have a dollar more than $2000 in the bank.
You do the math, you have to be almost dirt poor to get Medicaid.
Why are so many hospitals, losing millions of dollars? Blame Republiklan faux saint Ronald Reagan. Thirty years ago, people who showed up in an Emergency Room (ER) were expected to pay for their services; they were often asked about money before they even got in the door.If they could not prove they had the resources to pay, they were told to go elsewhere. In other words, go out onto the street lay down and die.
Now, ERs have to treat everyone who comes in their doors. It doesn't matter if they are immigrants, if they are legal or illegal, or if they will be able to pay anything for the medical treatment they receive. ERs have to treat everyone, no questions asked.
How did this change come about? The change came in the form of the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) of 1986. A U.S. Act of Congress signed into law by then-President Ronald Reagan, it requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency health care treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions for the doctors and hospitals WHO MUST provide that treatment to all who need it.
Talk about a mandate! $38,000,000,000 ($38 Billion) dollars a year of medical services are provided by the nations ER’s — NONE OF IT PAID FOR by the users…because…those users have NO health insurance;….. NO Medicare, NO Medicaid, NO Veterans care, NO State insurance…..Nothing.
The fact that the “media of deception” won’t tell you is that the RepubliKlans think that this IS A GOOD THING
RepubliKlans have long been vehemently opposed to universal coverage — they see access to health care as a privilege, not a right. “A privilege not a right” — let’s decipher what this bullshit phrase actually means in the sociopathic world of RepubliKlan policy — it means that they want to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ profits on their fellow Americans ability to see a doctor, receive preventative care, or get lifesaving medical care to stay alive.
RepubliKlan support for the individual mandate going back to Bob Dole and emanating from the Heritage Foundation was a response to the relentless question they received which was; — If you are opposed to a single payer universal health care system, what is your proposal???
As the numbers of Americans with no access to health care soared into the tens-of-millions the RepubliKlans felt the pressure that they had to provide an alternative to the obvious solution of single payer; so they came up with the mandate. But now that the “reality based world” has adopted that alternative as their own, including successfully during Romney’s tenure as governor of Massachusetts, RepubliKlans have now abandoned the pretense that ‘the mandate’ is a solution to America’s dysfunctional health care system .
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Below From
Health Care As A Privilege- What The GOP Won’t Admit_
by Jonathan Chait June 25, 2012
...Several reporters have recently filed dispatches showing in human terms what sort of conditions we would be perpetuating in the event that five Republican Supreme Court Justices, or a potential Republican-run government next year, partially or completely nullify the Affordable Care Act.
A man will watch the tumor in his leg grow to the size of a melon, and his wife will sew special pants to fit the growing bulge, because he has no insurance. A woman will hobble around for four years on an untreated broken ankle she can’t have repaired. People will line up in their cars and spend the night in a parking lot queuing for a rare free health clinic.
Maybe these stories sound like cheap emotional manipulation. They are actually a clarifying tool to cut through the rhetorical fog surrounding the health-care debate and define the question in the most precise terms.
Opponents of the law have endlessly invoked “socialism.” Nothing in the Affordable Care Act or any part of President Obama’s challenges the basic dynamics of market capitalism. All sides accept that some of us should continue to enjoy vastly greater comforts and pleasures than others. If you don’t work as hard as Mitt Romney has, or were born less smart, or to worse parents, or enjoyed worse schools, or invested your skills in an industry that collapsed, or suffered any other misfortune, then you will be punished for this. Your television may be low-definition, or you might not be able to heat or cool your home as comfortably as you would like; you may clothe your children in discarded garments from the Salvation Army.
This is not in dispute. What is being disputed is whether the punishments to the losers in the market system should include, in addition to these other things, a denial of access to non-emergency medical treatment. The Republican position is that it should. They may not want a woman to have to suffer an untreated broken ankle for lack of affordable treatment. Likewise, I don’t want people to be denied nice televisions or other luxuries. I just don’t think high-definition television or nice clothing are goods that society owes to one and all. That is how Republicans think about health care.
This is why it’s vital to bring yourself face-to face with the implications of mass uninsurance — not as emotional manipulation, but to force you to decide what forms of material deprivation ought to be morally acceptable. This question has become, at least at the moment, the primary philosophical divide between the parties....</blockquote>
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So now with SCOTUS upholding the Affordable Care Act the RepubliKlans are once again in full-court-press propaganda mode. “It’s a tax, it’s a tax” they screech completely ignoring any benefits that Obama’s Affordable Care Act has already brought to many families i.e. no more pre-existing condition discrimination against children, adult children can stay on parents policies until age 26, no more "rescission" of health insurance policies , no more lifetime limits on benefits, and more.
But none of that matters to the RepubliKlans. They Have NO Replacement Bill even if they could repeal the Affordable care Act <div align="right">
<!-- MSTableType="layout" --><img src="http://i.minus.com/iwtlX4CBK84XA.jpg" width="350" align="right"></div> Wait a minute,….. why doesn’t the “media of mass distraction” ask every RepubliKlan that they point a camera and a microphone at what their plan is if so-called Obamacare is ended?? —including ‘Mute’ Romney?? They don’t have a plan….they never did. Have a sick child, can’t afford “health care mafia’ insurance rates, don’t qualify for medicare or Medicaid or veterans insurance?? —Fuck You!! Hurry up and die!! ‘It’s a tax, It’s a tax, It’s a tax………
Eventually what will happen is that in 2016 when the Affordable Care Act allows individual States to set up a single payer system and a bunch of States are already planning to go there —Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine—go there — and are successful, other States will follow and single payer will slowly spread nationwide until it is national. Same thing happened with Medicaid when it was passed in 1965, unlike Medicare which the U.S. government mandated States immediately implement, Medicaid was voluntary implementation. No surprise the Southern formerly slave states were that last states to finally take advantage of the available federal funding for Medicaid. What we have today 2012 is a similar situation with the RepubliKlan “blue pill” inserted into Obamacare when SCOTUS said that states are going to have the right not expand their medicare rolls and reject the federal government money that in the first year will cover 100% of the expense. So what we will see again just like 1965, we will see the so-called ‘red states’ reject expanding their medicare rolls and getting people who you see standing in that line in the video that starts this post medical care, all in the name of being a good RepubliKlan. How many brainwashed Americans will go for this RepubliKlan con as they stay sick and yes, some of them die due to lack of medical treatment??????? We’ll see
http://justifyrates.consumerwatchdogcampaign.org/sites/default/files/dying-for-coverage.pdf
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Watch the video above. The RepubliKlans don’t give a shit about any of the people in the video. The RepubliKlans look at the people in the video and they see them as 'losers', 'parasites','looters' and 'moochers'. In their cult-hero worship of the ideology of Ayn Rand they see the 'losers' standing in line to see a doctor as 'disposable people'- trash! The RepubliKlans are sociopaths whose guiding precept is “the virtue of selfishness”; — in street language this means — ‘I got mine $$$$$$- Fuck You!! Ironically Ayn Rand who Paul Ryan, Alan Greenspan and the RepubliKlans worship as the high priestess of objectivism and self-sufficiency, a woman who opposed charity and rejected social programs; —Rand received both Social Security and Medicare in her life — what a lying fraud & hypocrite.
The collective RepubliKlan plan for the sick people in the video above is…..Fuck You….you poor bastards,…you can’t afford “health care mafia” insurance?,…. not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid?,….. not old enough to qualify for Medicare?,….well….too bad mother fucker, suck it up….get a pair of pliers and pull your own rotting tooth,…..got a curable disease but can’t afford the treatment….die mother fucker, die ,die, die quickly.
This is the reality and truth of the RepubliKlan position when you corner them with facts that destroy their propaganda talking points.
Why are so many people uninsured? Why don’t they just go on Medicaid?
Let’s answer the first question first. Health Care Mafia monthly insurance premiums for even a policy that only covers an individual are about $190 per month, $2280 per year. For a family plan the numbers are $414 per month, $4,968 per year. These numbers are as of (May 2012) and are for insurance purchased via your employer provided plan. The cost is even higher if you try to buy a policy individually as a self-employed person. For millions of hard working Americans, some working 60 hours a week divided between two jobs, these premiums are unaffordable.
Why are the unaffordable?
They are unaffordable because formerly solidly middle-class American wage earners are NO LONGER middle-class;………they are fucking poor…..but don’t you dare call them poor; at least 35% of them will vote for ‘Mute’ Romney — the automaton that answers no questions.
The destruction of the American middle-class which was once the envy of the world has been underway for 30 years. Figures released (OCT. 20, 2011) but barely mentioned on corporate television media (CBS, NBC, ABC, <s>FOX</s> FAKE, CNN) revealed that <SPAN style="background-color:yellow">30% of all Americans are earning less than $15,000 a year!!.......and 50% of all Americans are earning less than $26,364 a year!!!...... </SPAN> the lowest levels since 1999, after adjusting for inflation.......and...<SPAN style="background-color:yellow">the number of people making more than $1 million increased by 20 percent over 2009</span> Read: REUTERS- David Cay Johnston-Oct.20.2011
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Let’s use the state of Florida as an example of what it takes to get onto Medicaid. In Florida in order to qualify for Medicaid your monthly income must NOT exceed $2094 a month AND you can’t have a dollar more than $2000 in the bank.
You do the math, you have to be almost dirt poor to get Medicaid.
Why are so many hospitals, losing millions of dollars? Blame Republiklan faux saint Ronald Reagan. Thirty years ago, people who showed up in an Emergency Room (ER) were expected to pay for their services; they were often asked about money before they even got in the door.If they could not prove they had the resources to pay, they were told to go elsewhere. In other words, go out onto the street lay down and die.
Now, ERs have to treat everyone who comes in their doors. It doesn't matter if they are immigrants, if they are legal or illegal, or if they will be able to pay anything for the medical treatment they receive. ERs have to treat everyone, no questions asked.
How did this change come about? The change came in the form of the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) of 1986. A U.S. Act of Congress signed into law by then-President Ronald Reagan, it requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency health care treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions for the doctors and hospitals WHO MUST provide that treatment to all who need it.
Talk about a mandate! $38,000,000,000 ($38 Billion) dollars a year of medical services are provided by the nations ER’s — NONE OF IT PAID FOR by the users…because…those users have NO health insurance;….. NO Medicare, NO Medicaid, NO Veterans care, NO State insurance…..Nothing.
The fact that the “media of deception” won’t tell you is that the RepubliKlans think that this IS A GOOD THING
RepubliKlans have long been vehemently opposed to universal coverage — they see access to health care as a privilege, not a right. “A privilege not a right” — let’s decipher what this bullshit phrase actually means in the sociopathic world of RepubliKlan policy — it means that they want to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ profits on their fellow Americans ability to see a doctor, receive preventative care, or get lifesaving medical care to stay alive.
RepubliKlan support for the individual mandate going back to Bob Dole and emanating from the Heritage Foundation was a response to the relentless question they received which was; — If you are opposed to a single payer universal health care system, what is your proposal???
As the numbers of Americans with no access to health care soared into the tens-of-millions the RepubliKlans felt the pressure that they had to provide an alternative to the obvious solution of single payer; so they came up with the mandate. But now that the “reality based world” has adopted that alternative as their own, including successfully during Romney’s tenure as governor of Massachusetts, RepubliKlans have now abandoned the pretense that ‘the mandate’ is a solution to America’s dysfunctional health care system .
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Below From
Health Care As A Privilege- What The GOP Won’t Admit_
by Jonathan Chait June 25, 2012
...Several reporters have recently filed dispatches showing in human terms what sort of conditions we would be perpetuating in the event that five Republican Supreme Court Justices, or a potential Republican-run government next year, partially or completely nullify the Affordable Care Act.
A man will watch the tumor in his leg grow to the size of a melon, and his wife will sew special pants to fit the growing bulge, because he has no insurance. A woman will hobble around for four years on an untreated broken ankle she can’t have repaired. People will line up in their cars and spend the night in a parking lot queuing for a rare free health clinic.
Maybe these stories sound like cheap emotional manipulation. They are actually a clarifying tool to cut through the rhetorical fog surrounding the health-care debate and define the question in the most precise terms.
Opponents of the law have endlessly invoked “socialism.” Nothing in the Affordable Care Act or any part of President Obama’s challenges the basic dynamics of market capitalism. All sides accept that some of us should continue to enjoy vastly greater comforts and pleasures than others. If you don’t work as hard as Mitt Romney has, or were born less smart, or to worse parents, or enjoyed worse schools, or invested your skills in an industry that collapsed, or suffered any other misfortune, then you will be punished for this. Your television may be low-definition, or you might not be able to heat or cool your home as comfortably as you would like; you may clothe your children in discarded garments from the Salvation Army.
This is not in dispute. What is being disputed is whether the punishments to the losers in the market system should include, in addition to these other things, a denial of access to non-emergency medical treatment. The Republican position is that it should. They may not want a woman to have to suffer an untreated broken ankle for lack of affordable treatment. Likewise, I don’t want people to be denied nice televisions or other luxuries. I just don’t think high-definition television or nice clothing are goods that society owes to one and all. That is how Republicans think about health care.
This is why it’s vital to bring yourself face-to face with the implications of mass uninsurance — not as emotional manipulation, but to force you to decide what forms of material deprivation ought to be morally acceptable. This question has become, at least at the moment, the primary philosophical divide between the parties....</blockquote>
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So now with SCOTUS upholding the Affordable Care Act the RepubliKlans are once again in full-court-press propaganda mode. “It’s a tax, it’s a tax” they screech completely ignoring any benefits that Obama’s Affordable Care Act has already brought to many families i.e. no more pre-existing condition discrimination against children, adult children can stay on parents policies until age 26, no more "rescission" of health insurance policies , no more lifetime limits on benefits, and more.
But none of that matters to the RepubliKlans. They Have NO Replacement Bill even if they could repeal the Affordable care Act <div align="right">
<!-- MSTableType="layout" --><img src="http://i.minus.com/iwtlX4CBK84XA.jpg" width="350" align="right"></div> Wait a minute,….. why doesn’t the “media of mass distraction” ask every RepubliKlan that they point a camera and a microphone at what their plan is if so-called Obamacare is ended?? —including ‘Mute’ Romney?? They don’t have a plan….they never did. Have a sick child, can’t afford “health care mafia’ insurance rates, don’t qualify for medicare or Medicaid or veterans insurance?? —Fuck You!! Hurry up and die!! ‘It’s a tax, It’s a tax, It’s a tax………
Eventually what will happen is that in 2016 when the Affordable Care Act allows individual States to set up a single payer system and a bunch of States are already planning to go there —Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine—go there — and are successful, other States will follow and single payer will slowly spread nationwide until it is national. Same thing happened with Medicaid when it was passed in 1965, unlike Medicare which the U.S. government mandated States immediately implement, Medicaid was voluntary implementation. No surprise the Southern formerly slave states were that last states to finally take advantage of the available federal funding for Medicaid. What we have today 2012 is a similar situation with the RepubliKlan “blue pill” inserted into Obamacare when SCOTUS said that states are going to have the right not expand their medicare rolls and reject the federal government money that in the first year will cover 100% of the expense. So what we will see again just like 1965, we will see the so-called ‘red states’ reject expanding their medicare rolls and getting people who you see standing in that line in the video that starts this post medical care, all in the name of being a good RepubliKlan. How many brainwashed Americans will go for this RepubliKlan con as they stay sick and yes, some of them die due to lack of medical treatment??????? We’ll see
http://justifyrates.consumerwatchdogcampaign.org/sites/default/files/dying-for-coverage.pdf
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Thought1, i want you to remember 1 thing; "health insurance" does not equal healthcare or access to healthcare.
My Pro-freedom rant;
Yeah but the kind of Freedom™ imagined by Libertarians is outright delusional. The logical conclusion to the utopic vision offered by Libertarian thinkers is a Mad Max style society.
This limited reform is actually a step up from what we had before.
Oh, so you are for the "Single Payer" concept. Don't ignore this one like the personhood post.
a bit subjective. as I said, the hallmark of a "free society" should be the rejection of force.
Why don't you recognize my freedom? I'm not hurting anyone
Nothing subjective about it. We've had this discussion in my earlier thread about Libertarianism. Your notion of what "freedom" entails is fundamentally at odds with reality.
Lamarr is so good had spouting talking points he is incapable of discussing reality. The main objective of the the health issue is that those that are uninsured will drive the costs of everyone else's health costs up. If the 35 year old libertarian doesn't want to get health insurance, and if he is involved in an expensive accident that results in him having medical costs he can't pay, then the system has to eat that cost. It has to be made up somewhere. It is made up by increasing the cost throughout the system. So you are hurting someone else by your myopic view of your freedom.
Even if left to your own devices; you in the exercise of your freedom, or someone else in exercise of their freedom, or nature, in exercise of its freedom, can harm YOU and that can become OUR expense and when that happens, YOU'RE harming US.
I agree.
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