Boxing and Drug Testing

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: JOURNALIST GABE MONTOYA INVESTIGATES THE DRUG TESTING PROCESS
By Stephen "Breadman" Edwards

Montoya tells his side of his work to uncover PED use in boxing

BOXINGTALK: Gabe there was an article released by Mark “Scoop” Malinowski a few days ago that has caused a quiet finger pointing storm. Before we get into that, I want you to explain to the fans the difference between VADA testing and the USADA testing?

Gabe Montoya:*In my opinion, the root of the performance enhancing drug (PED) problem in boxing these days is the use of synthetic testosterone. Synthetic testosterone is basically testosterone that does NOT come from your body. Now the difference between VADA and the USADA [testing organizations], is VADA uses a test called CIR or the Carbon Isotope Ratio testing. VADA uses this test 100% of the time. They are proactive in catching the cheats, whereas the USADA uses these CIR test strategically. I have asked how often they use the CIR test but I still have not received a definitive answer.The USADA usually test for TE ratios or testosterone ratios of over 4 to 1 and 6 to 1 in Nevada and New York. Now you have to understand that the average person’s ratio is around 1 to 1.

Lamont Peterson for example had a ratio of 3.77 to 1. If Peterson had been tested under USADA and they decided not to use the CIR test, then he would not have been caught.

BT: Very interesting Gabe. You’re definitely educating me right now. What I find most interesting is why would a 4 to 1 testosterone ratio be allowed anyway, when the average person is around 1 to 1. That seems to give plenty of room to cheat.

GM:*I actually asked Keith Kizer of the Nevada State Athletic Commission*that same question and he didn’t give me an definitive answer at that time. I later heard him say that they allowed such high ratios because they didn’t want to get any false positives on the combat sport athletes.

BT: Ok now let’s get to the article that Malinowski wrote and how that came about.

GM: I really don’t know exactly how this all came about. I do know I received a letter that used the term “Inadvertent Usage Exemption.” Golden Boy sent me a cease and desist letter over claims that I NEVER made publicly. What I find most interesting is that I NEVER used the term “Inadvertent Usage Exemption” publicly.

BT: I may not be an expert on PED testing but I am very observant on specifics. You keep using the word publicly. I find that interesting and I won’t intrude too much because I understand that there can be legal ramifications. But for the fans can you at least elaborate slightly?

GM:*I asked Bruce Binko, who works for Golden Boy, and I asked Keith Kizer some questions. I asked Binko is there a contingency plan in place in case a fighter comes up positive right before a BIG fight. He replied, 'I can’t answer that unless “they” give me permission.'* I then asked him who is “they”. We then started to play a game of cat and mouse without definitive answers. I asked Keith Kizer some questions about positive test also with no definitive answers. And a couple of days ago I received this letter from Golden Boy attorneys.

BT: Wow.*Malinowski’s article also mentioned that (journalist) Thomas Hauser sort of indirectly challenged Oscar De La Hoya*to release*his drug testing results. Does that have anything to do with you?

GM:*No, not at all, you would have to ask Thomas about that.

BT: Ok. See the one thing that I know is people like to speak in riddles. But I don’t speak in riddles, so*I will phrase my questions so we can operate on an accurate platform. My next question is*the article*suggests that Floyd Mayweather has tested positive three times in the past. Do you know anything about that?

GM:*I won’t comment on what I know about it. But I think you or any other reporter should ask Golden Boy or Floyd that question directly. And the real question is where did Golden Boy hear it because I never said it publicly.

BT:*Is there an exemption clause in the drug testing program, and if so what agency employs the exemption clause and did Golden Boy try to implement this clause with VADA. Does the USADA exercise this clause?

GM:*I do know for a fact that there is an TUE (Therapeutic Usage Exemption). I can’t comment on what Golden Boy did or did not do with VADA. As far as an Inadvertent Usage Exemption, I won’t comment on that.

BT: Because of the wording, I assume there is a considerable difference between the Therapeutic Use Exemption and Inadvertent Use Exemption if the latter does exist. But I’m going to leave that alone. I will ask however, have you had the opportunity to interview Floyd Mayweather about this and if so what was his response?:

GM: Floyd was very evasive and when I pressed the issue he became confrontational and started to bump my chest with his chest. Actually another writer, Elie Seckbach, was there and he witnessed it. I asked Floyd does he subject himself to testing everyday all year long like USADA test suggest….

BT: That’s unfortunate.*What do you say to the people who think you’re tool for VADA and Dr. Margaret Goodman because you’re an advocate for their test?

GM: I would say it’s not true at all. I favor the VADA testing because they are proactive. More importantly look how effective they have been in this short period of time. I also think the VADA testing is much more feasible. The VADA test cost approximately $20,000. The USADA test cost approximately $100,000. That’s huge difference in cost and it doesn’t add up in my opinion.

BT: Yesterday was the Amir Khan vs Danny Garcia press conference. Now Amir Khan and Victor Ortiz are Golden Boy fighters and VADA has just caught two potential opponents of Khan and Ortiz, in Lamont Peterson and Andre Berto in the usage of PEDs. From my knowledge Golden Boy will be using USADA for Khan vs Garcia match. I don’t have a dog in the race but if you are correct about the price and we both can agree VADA has been doing an excellent job, I find it peculiar that Golden Boy wouldn’t keep going with VADA.

GM:*I do too.

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Below*is a list of links that Gabe has been accredited with or would pertain to in his research on PEDs in boxing.
http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-b...er-and-the-new-wave-of-drug-testing-in-boxing
This one is about VADA but also discusses the history of PEDs.


http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Gabriel/Montoya122711.htm
This article laid out a path for a cheater to escape punishment in an anti-doping case. Ironically, the defense I discussed was used by MLB National League MVP Ryan Braun's lawyers the following week to escape his 50 game suspension for testosterone use.
http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Gabriel/Montoya021712.htm
This one is a conversation with Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) President Dr. Goodman about PEDs. We discuss testosterone in here.
http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-b...h-dr-margaret-goodman-part-two-peds-in-boxing
This one is about how badly Texas screwed up by not testing Chavez, Jr. Its in-depth coverage of a monumental oops. There is a thread in this story that I expanded into the next link. These stories have made the Nevada commission very uncomfortable to say the least.
http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/texas-stumbles-into-the-drug-testing-era
This one is about a testosterone loophole in New York and Nevada I exposed earlier this year.
http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/new-york-nevada-and-the-61-te-ratio-problem-in-boxing-
These are stories I wrote after I broke that WBA/IBF junior welterweight champion of the world Lamont Peterson had tested positive for synthetic testosterone.*
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...positive--for-banned-substance/1#.T7ypUkVSS8A
and The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/may/08/khan-peterson-haye-chisora
credited me with it, however.
My thorough coverage of what happened, when and why showed everyone who plagiarized my early reports and tweets whose story it was. I don’t want to overwhelm you with links so this is like the most thorough account from those first few days.
http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-b...ohn-a-thompson-and-trainer-barry-hunter-speak


This piece has three anti-doping legends speaking on the ramifications of the Peterson positive test which will likely change how the London Games will be tested.
http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-b...-don-catlin-speak-on-the-lamont-peterson-case


This is the story explaining the Andre Berto positive drug test.
http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-b...tive-for-the-molecule-of-the-month-nandrolone

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All questions can be sent to dabreadman25@hotmail.com, I will conduct a special mailbag on this interview

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[Upgrade Dave]

Interesting.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

The guys all push the limits. To me they all are doing something. Nothing shocks me about any fighter. Shit is crazy. You can have two or three times the normal ratio of testerone and be legal. That is a joke.in some states five to one. Oh well.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

The guys all push the limits. To me they all are doing something. Nothing shocks me about any fighter. Shit is crazy. You can have two or three times the normal ratio of testerone and be legal. That is a joke.in some states five to one. Oh well.

That's why, forget Floyd Mayweather and his ulterior motives, I've always been a proponent of serious testing in boxing. I had actually given up that it would happen but it seems like it might at this rate.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

That's why, forget Floyd Mayweather and his ulterior motives, I've always been a proponent of serious testing in boxing. I had actually given up that it would happen but it seems like it might at this rate.

Floyd is in this too. They all are doing stuff. Just the guys that slip up get caught.

 

[P03t]

PED's is a major problem in MMA too....

the last sport I would think would have a PED problem is a combat sport....everyone called Floyd a coward for his PED stance...his critics eating crow now

 

[Alaskanredman]

PED's is a major problem in MMA too....

the last sport I would think would have a PED problem is a combat sport....everyone called Floyd a coward for his PED stance...his critics eating crow now

Naw, they just say everyone including Floyd is on the roids too... that's their way around having to acknowledge that they were wrong.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

PED's is a major problem in MMA too....

the last sport I would think would have a PED problem is a combat sport....everyone called Floyd a coward for his PED stance...his critics eating crow now

You are giving PBF to much credit. PEDS have always been hot topic in sports. Boxing too with Holyfield, Jones, Botha, that polish dude that liked punching people in the balls, Vargas, mosely, Hall, Toney and others. Come on dude.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Naw, they just say everyone including Floyd is on the roids too... that's their way around having to acknowledge that they were wrong.

It isn't about just steroids. It is about PEDS in various forms. Hell read the article. You can cheat. Just to a point.

 

[P03t]

You are giving PBF to much credit. PEDS have always been hot topic in sports. Boxing too with Holyfield, Jones, Botha, that polish dude that liked punching people in the balls, Vargas, mosely, Hall, Toney and others. Come on dude.

Floyd brought it to the limelight...you had a few who tested positive in the past & it wasn't as frequent as it is today...

he was talking PED's for a while now...the haters were saying he was using that cause to cowardly back out of Pac fight which is ridiculous....especially with how shady Arum & Roach have been for yrs...their whole organization is damn near crooked

didn't JCC Jr recently say no to random drug testing against Martinez in a possible future fight

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Floyd brought it to the limelight...you had a few who tested positive in the past & it wasn't as frequent as it is today...

he was talking PED's for a while now...the haters were saying he was using that cause to cowardly back out of Pac fight which is ridiculous....especially with how shady Arum & Roach have been for yrs...their whole organization is damn near crooked

didn't JCC Jr recently say no to random drug testing against Martinez in a possible future fight

I am not going argue. But growing up when Holyfield and Jones jr were looking like Ben Johnson in the 90's was what brought it to the limelight. Holyfield used to train with Lee Haney or some body builder. And we all know what body builders do. All I am saying is steroids has been a part of the discussion for years. I mean do you mean to tell me you ignored the juice conversation for the Oscar and Vargas fight? I don't think pbf said anything most fans were aware of for years. But if you think he made it a mainstream topic for boxing fans then you are wrong.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

It isn't about just steroids. It is about PEDS in various forms. Hell read the article. You can cheat. Just to a point.

I am not going argue. But growing up when Holyfield and Jones jr were looking like Ben Johnson in the 90's was what brought it to the limelight. Holyfield used to train with Lee Haney or some body builder. And we all know what body builders do. All I am saying is steroids has been a part of the discussion for years. I mean do you mean to tell me you ignored the juice conversation for the Oscar and Vargas fight? I don't think pbf said anything most fans were aware of for years. But if you think he made it a mainstream topic for boxing fans then you are wrong.

No, in that he would be right. There have been discussion on it among hardcore fans but it was Floyd who made it mainstream or close to it.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

No, in that he would be right. There have been discussion on it among hardcore fans but it was Floyd who made it mainstream or close to it.

Lol, ok.

 

[P03t]

No, in that he would be right. There have been discussion on it among hardcore fans but it was Floyd who made it mainstream or close to it.

real talk save me the trouble

 

[merce77]

 

[Upgrade Dave]

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

MAILBAG REBUTTAL TO GABE MONTOYA'S INTERVIEW
Stephen "Breadman" Edwards

Very, very interesting interview with Gabe Montoya.

http://www.boxingtalk.com/admin/preview.php?aid=23521

A lot of posturing and dancing is going on due to defamation threats and cease and desist orders, but nonetheless the can of worms is officially open and on "Front Street" as we say in the streets. Let me ask you point blank my theory...going back to the MLB steroid golden age, we were dealing in a short lived era where science and advancements in supplements far surpassed and did laps around major sports' dope testing procedures. I will assume that ALL sports were experiencing the same disconnect and athletes were experimenting with new PEDs and "nutritionists" were more rampant than wannabe sports agents and financial advisors. Do you think Floyd Mayweather experimented and used PED's to the point where his dominating performances were so impressive that once he cleaned up his act and got back to fighting without PED's, he noticed the difference in stamina and power and is on a crusade to avoid opponents who can threaten him with the help of PEDs? I'm not the first writer or boxing fan to "accuse the accuser"

Is Floyd "The Advocate" Mayweather simply just a guilty cat who was able to evade the public with past juiced performances with Golden Boy covering up through inside deals with USADA [drug testing organization] and now he knows he needs another agency to protect his undefeated record? And did he see characteristics in Manny Pacquiao's rise in power and weight classes as a potential candidate to beating the USADA system with Bob Arum pulling strings behind closed doors? DJ from NYC.
Bread’s Response: I’m going to answer you point blank. I personally have NOT received enough evidence to assume Floyd Mayweather has ever cheated and used PEDs. I respect what Gabe said and didn’t say, but I would need more to assume anything definitive about Floyd.

However I do think you bring up something interesting about Floyd being the accuser. When Floyd first started pointing the finger at Manny, I couldn’t understand WHY he did it in such a classless and open way. I openly stated my opinion on that. Floyd has a right to his opinion but when you state your opinion as a fact on a issue like that, you have to be very careful. I knew Floyd knew better because he acted in the correct manner in order to get the fight with Oscar De La Hoya and AFTER the contracts were signed, he went in on Oscar.

I felt like Floyd could have grabbed Manny by the hand in front of millions and proposed random testing in order to clean up the sport. Manny is a politician, there is NO way he could have refused this in front of millions. Instead Floyd called him all types of names, pretty much attempted to discredit all of his achievements and on top of that demanded drug test or no fight. Unfortunately for Floyd, I think people will remember that and NOT give him the benefit of the doubt in this situation. I am NOT one of those people. I WILL give Floyd the benefit of the doubt. But I’m just one person…….



Breadman! Great interview. I have been reading some of Gabe’s work for awhile but have not had time to sit down and read all of his in-depth PED writing. I thought there were several interesting points in your interview. First, as you pointed out he is careful to always use the word publicly when discussing Mayweather and testing dirty. I also found it very interesting that Golden Boy attorneys came at him so hard. It seems they are protesting too much. Second, I can’t stop wondering why Golden Boy is having its fighters switch to USADA after VADA exposed its competitors. There does not seem to be any benefit.

However, I am not going to get into any conspiracy theories. My main point is Mayweather has started a mess. Contrary to what many of his true believers claim, he did not begin a drug testing crusade. Instead he started a witch hunt against Pac. Now, there is a cloud of suspicion against him and Golden Boy. How ironic. I think there is a ton of shit that we don’t know but that could come out in the wash. If Pac really wanted to box Mayweather in, he would institute testing for his next fight. Keep up the hard work!-- Roy

Bread’s Response: What’s up Roy? I was very DIRECT with Gabe and he did not flinch. I asked him some tough questions and although he didn’t answer everything directly, I didn’t feel he was being evasive. I just felt like he couldn’t answer the questions for outside reasons.

I hear that Golden Boy is using USADA because VADA took too long in informing them of Lamont Peterson’s test results. That has not been confirmed from anybody at Golden Boy. I personally think for VADA’s short existence they are doing an excellent job and if in fact their test are cheaper and they use a better test 100% of the time, I can’t understand why Golden Boy wouldn’t keep using the organization that has just caught two guys that had PEDs in their system when training for fights against their fighters.

I also want to state I do have a slight problem with Team Pacquaio. Although Manny has agreed to Floyd’s drug testing demands, Manny never seems to be proactive in the fight to clean up boxing. They say if you don’t stand for something then you will fall for anything. Manny would seem more genuine to me if he had a firmer stance on this whole mess. But he never does……


Hey Bread! That was a great interview with Gabe! Very, VERY good read. As always, the Breadman proves again to be the pursuer of truth!

Hey Gabe! Excellent work with all the research regarding PEDs! I consider myself being much more learned from reading about what you wrote. More please.

At one point in the Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiations, Bob Arum said they agree to the drug-testing, but not if USADA does this. In my then limited awareness of the difference, I had assumed Arum was just being his usual difficult self. I had said to myself, "if Manny agrees to testing, why would it matter if it's USADA, WADA, VADA or yada-yada-yada?" Boy, am I enlightened now! Question for both of you gentlemen. Do you guys think Arum had an inkling of all this at the time?

Godspeed to both of you! More power!

Carlo Castillo
Manila, Philippines
Bread’s Response: I’m going to be as honest as I can with what I’m about to say. Most people in boxing may respect Bob Arum but he is not known as what you call a GOOD human being. But in this case, I’m not saying he is speaking the truth. But his stance does seem logical looking back.


Arum told me personally that no matter what they agreed to Floyd Mayweather would find a reason to “stall” a fight with Manny PAcquiao. And this whole drug testing issue was bologna. At the time I didn’t know what to believe but now we fast forward two more years and some of what he said seems to be at least practical. Arum was also Oscar De La Hoya’s promoter for a number of years. If Oscar did indeed fail a drug test or have a drug test “sealed” or “exempted” or any of these fancy legal words, then I would assume Arum has knowledge of this.


Here is where my common sense will kick in. Arum can’t come out and say while Oscar was under his promotional banner that “they” hid a drug test result. He would lose credibility in this case. Oscar can’t say it for the same reasons. But judging by their actions both guys know more than they are willing to say publicly. And I don’t blame Arum for not wanting to be tested by the agency that Mayweather picked…..




Bread:
You and Gabe are almost there. You have these guys. By these guys I mean the establishment that has been in cahoots all along letting people cheat. You guys just need to push a little harder and the whole house of cards will come down. Read on.
I’ve been telling people for years that all these guys are cheating. MMA and boxing. It’s so easy… It’s really sad by reading your interview that most people don’t know the basics of PEDS. You had the EXACT reaction that any smart/logical person would have when you learned about 4:1 ratio. You guys need to push this to main stream news and not let these guys bullshit their way out.
The 4:1 or 6 :1 ratio is complete BULLSHIT, it’s been allowing people to cheat all along. I’ve been trying to tell anyone that would listen for years. A normal person is usually around 1:1, I think it’s like .8:1 for Asian, and 1:1 for Caucasians and 1.1 or 1.2 to 1 for some other ethnic groups. So why on earth would you let people test at 4-1 or 6-1. Well I’ll tell you. Cause Kizer and his organization are in cahoots with boxing, mma and everyone else they test. Boxers and mma fighters have been doing this for years, along with HGH, because they’ve been given a license to cheat. What they also do is up their epitestosteron to match the 4-1 ratios. I mean someone needs to call all these people on their bullshit. All these guys are cheating, and have been cheating all along and Keizer and his cohorts are all in on it. I mean it’s so ridiculous, you can cheat like this, and what’s worse, is once you’ve been cheating for so long, and juicing for so long well your body no longer produces testosterone like it’s supposed to, so you get hypogonadism. So the only thing you can do is take testosterone because your body doesn’t produce it anymore. So basically, people like Chael Sonnen, Dan Henderson and those guys have been cheating for so long, their bodies no longer produce test, so they Allow them TO now cheat legally by giving them what they call an exemption to use TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) I mean WTF MAN????? You cheat, and it ruins your body, so here is a license to cheat. WTF????
What is really funny is that last week, Winky Wright wanted to be tested and have Quilin tested. Guess what? Go read up on what happened here:
http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-b...t-to-know-is-we-are-playing-on-the-same-field
This is Scary ! Destroyed samples, not wanting to use VADA… I mean you don’t have to be a genius here to connect the dots here…
These people are criminals and need to be brought to justice. Either allow drugs or don’t. These needs to be main stream news, not boxing message board news, these guys are all frigging cheating and the promoters, and Kiezer and the bunch are in on it.
I’ll tell you something else. They will never be able to sue Gabe and I’ll tell you why. Last year or the year before Arum said something about Delahoya failing a dope test… Want to know what the response was? NADA, zilch, nothing. Not a threat or a lawsuit, not a lawsuit and no retraction. Want to know why, simple, because it was true. And it doesn’t surprise me one bit that Floyd has been busted too and got away with it being the cash cow…
Someone from government needs to ask these questions that Kiezer and all stonewalled Gabe on, The limit should be 2 and if you’re over two, you need a lie detector test to compete.
Keep it up Bread, keep in their face, try and get this on a major news site, cause it’s not just boxing and mma, it’s football and other sports.
Martin
Bread’s Response: You know Martin I’m not even into interviews anymore. I would much rather do my mailbag thing and talk to guys in the business off the record. But I had to interview Gabe Montoya. My conscience would not allow me to not at least ask Gabe about what was going on. But don’t give me too much credit. I did the interview but Gabe is the one who has put a lot into the research of PED testing.


Yes you’re right, I was deeply disturbed on what the limits were in 4 to 1 and 6 to 1, when Gabe told me the average person has a testosterone ratio of 1 to , something clicked in my head. I immediately thought of people like Victor Conte, who has openly said the system was a joke. I didn’t understand Conte before but as soon as Gabe explained to me how high the allowed ratios were, I became disgusted.


What’s even worse is as you stated when someone uses synthetic testosterone their body does not produce it naturally anymore. So in turn these athletes can get exemptions and treatment from their conditions, when most likely their cheating CAUSED the conditions in the first dam place. What a mockery.


I just can’t understand for the life of me why the cut off points are so. I think 2 to 1 or maybe 1.75 to 1 would be feasible, but 4 to 1 and 6 to 1 are crazy. I mean think about this. Even if a fighter had naturally low testosterone why wouldn’t his testosterone level be brought up to the average level of 1 to 1 or 1.2 to 1. Why in the heck does anybody need 4 or 6 times what the average human being would need? Before I sound too much like a scientist I would love for someone in one of these organizations to help with my next question? How many REPORTED studies and/or cases have shown a person or athlete who is not on synthetic testosterone to have a ratio anywhere near 6 to 1?


That’s very important. Because if the reason for these allowed ratios is because they commissions don’t want false positives, then there should be studies to show several examples of individuals who had super human type of ratios. Thanks




Why haven't Top Rank done anything concerning testing? No improve testing for any Top Rank fighters.... Why?

Bread’s Response: I don’t know why Top Rank is not as proactive in the drug testing. I think they should be, considering they are one of the two top promoters in this country. That’s a great question. I assume Top Rank has ways to generate lots of money that could go to testing. And to my knowledge they don’t speak out on this for the betterment of the sport.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Lol, if your daddy Merce allows you to comment. That would be cool. Very interesting article. I love the Oscar drug testing and Arum shit. But at the end of the day. If the threshold for cheating is raised so high that even a little bit of cheating is acceptable. Then the sport is tainted, period.

 

[Max Headrom]

I look at it like this, in a relationship, the one who is usually over the top with the accusing and going TOO HARD is usually the one cheating on you instead of the other way around... That's all I have to say about that

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[Jordan Diddy Buk]

I look at it like this, in a relationship, the one who is usually over the top with the accusing and going TOO HARD is usually the one cheating on you instead of the other way around... That's all I have to say about that

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It isn't about using steroids and other performance enhancing drugs. Because I am telling you that most do it. This issue is them being at the cutoff level. It isn't like using these drugs are illegal period. It is that using them over that allowed cutoff gets you in trouble. Just like cats work hard to make weight. So do they to mask or limit that amount of the drugs in their system. The shit is set up that way for a reason. It is big business and sports need star and the players need to become stars. It is set up to help them do that. But not to the point where it is obvious and does harm to the sport.

 

[Lewismondreal]

Wow

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Floyd is in this too. They all are doing stuff. Just the guys that slip up get caught.

If Floyd is dumb enough to get caught after screaming for Olympic-style testing then he is truly an asshole.

 

[GetThat$$$]

If Floyd is dumb enough to get caught after screaming for Olympic-style testing then he is truly an asshole.

Exactly, which is why I don't think he's doing it. Thats pretty stupid to be juicing but trying to put another cat on blast about juicing. And this article is pretty incorrect, Floyd didn't just come out blasting Manny about PED's, he did so once Manny started asking for "windows" of when he could be tested and turned down Floyds offer. So I think what these cats is doing is trying to start shit against Floyd....again. It's obvious they're bias against him. And DLH was Floyds stepping stone into mainstream, he was talking shit before and after the DLH fight.

and damn, niggas is still believing in what Arum has to say about Floyd, or anyone for that matter?


but 3 to 1 in testing...damn. You know them MMA boys doing the same

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

but 3 to 1 in testing...damn. You know them MMA boys doing the same

Just like a fighter has amount of weight he can not go over. These guys know what level of hormones and stuff that can be over. And just like they make weight coming in on point. The do the same with everything else.