House Moving To Hold Holder In Contempt

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The House of Representatives is moving forward with proceedings to hold Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. in contempt of Congress — a major escalation in the separation-of-powers battle over “Fast and Furious,” the Obama administration’s botched gun-walking operation.

Rep. Darrell E. Issa, California Republican and chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said his panel will take up the contempt issue next week, and the move has the blessing of House Speaker John A. Boehner, Ohio Republican.

“The Justice Department is out of excuses,” Mr. Boehner said in a statement Monday morning. “Either the Justice Department turns over the information requested, or Congress will have no choice but to move forward with holding the Attorney General in contempt for obstructing an ongoing investigation.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/11/house-moves-hold-holder-contempt/
 
The House of Representatives is moving forward with proceedings to hold Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. in contempt of Congress — a major escalation in the separation-of-powers battle over “Fast and Furious,” the Obama administration’s botched gun-walking operation.
Rep. Darrell E. Issa, California Republican and chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said his panel will take up the contempt issue next week, and the move has the blessing of House Speaker John A. Boehner, Ohio Republican.

“The Justice Department is out of excuses,” Mr. Boehner said in a statement Monday morning. “Either the Justice Department turns over the information requested, or Congress will have no choice but to move forward with holding the Attorney General in contempt for obstructing an ongoing investigation.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/11/house-moves-hold-holder-contempt/


Wrong..it was started under Bush.

This is just some more republican bullshit.

ANd fuck them go ahead and site him for contempt..Congress deserves everyones contempt.
 
Big Fuckin' Deal. Is there a republican congress that doesn't waste the peoples time and tax payers money on frivolous investigations? Darrell Issa should investigate himself. He would find more dirt their than on Holder!
 
Big Fuckin' Deal. Is there a republican congress that doesn't waste the peoples time and tax payers money on frivolous investigations? Darrell Issa should investigate himself. He would find more dirt their than on Holder!

Careful, LOL, you know how they do it: investigate for white water and come up with a blow job. :lol:
 
This is bullshit man....I swear the Republicans don t give a damn....this is why Dems need to go no holds barred
 
Issa: 31 Democrats Will Vote To Condemn Holder

House Committee and Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa told BuzzFeed today that he expects 31 Democrats will join Congressional Republicans in finding Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress for failing to turn over documents relating to a botched gun-running investigation.

Issa, who has risen to national prominence as the point of the Republican spear in investigating alleged Obama administration wrongdoing, called for a committee vote on contempt next week in advance of a full House vote on Holder's conduct in the so-called "Fast and Furious" operation, in which a federal agent was allegedly killed with a gun the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms allowed to be trafficked.

"The real question is, we’re opening up the data that we have to all the members, so as they start reading specifics of what we know was known and was hidden from Congress, and what we’d like to know and been denied, how many of the Democrats will vote with us," Issa said after speaking at the Personal Democracy Forum in New York. "I expect we’ll have about 31 Democrats with us."

Issa said under normal circumstances he'd expect the vote to pressure Holder to turn over the documents, but that now he's hoping the president intercedes on Congress' behalf. "After Thursday’s hearing with the Attorney General, no, I don’t expect it, but I would hope that the president would second-guess the man that he says he has full faith and confidence in, and tell him that it’s time to deliver reasonable documents," Issa said. Issa compared the growing scandal to Iran Contra and Watergate, saying the cover-up is far worse than the "dumb" operation. "This is like Iran Contra, like Watergate, and other 5th embarrassments over the years," Issa said. "The major embarrassment is the delay in being honest and open about it. It’s not about something really dumb got done. Dumb things happen in government. But when the GSA did dumb things, once it became public we saw a pretty quick change, certainly Secret Service we saw an even quicker change."

Asked whether his committee would hold hearings to investigate White House leaks, Issa said that while he has jurisdiction to investigate, his committee currently has no plans to. "We have a very busy schedule, and we will coordinate with the other committees [to investigate]," he said, noting that the House and Senate intelligence committees would likely take the lead.
 
Contempt of Congress is a serious charge and shouldn't be used as a negotiation ploy. The love of the cameras and spotlight is driving this much harder than Issa wanting to do any good work.
 
Holder should have told Cornyn to kiss his Black ass. There are some fools in Texass!



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Holder should have told Cornyn to kiss his Black ass. There are some fools in Texass!

:yes:


Contempt of Congress is a serious charge and shouldn't be used as a negotiation ploy. The love of the cameras and spotlight is driving this much harder than Issa wanting to do any good work.

I agree. I was searching for a thread earlier this morning when I came across a thread that you had started some time ago. I bumped that thread because I thought it apropos.

I think the title of that thread is even more appropriate here: "Republicans are soulless, evil trolls and will destroy everyone to get to Obama"


 
Wrong..it was started under Bush.


This is just some more republican bullshit.

So, with that being said......................We have another, failed Bush policy being continued by the Obama Admin! By Holder not willing to be forthcoming about the info the Senate is requesting, he must be coverin-up for ol "W"!

:smh: at those who believe there is a difference between the Dems & Repubs
 
So, with that being said......................We have another, failed Bush policy being continued by the Obama Admin! By Holder not willing to be forthcoming about the info the Senate is requesting, he must be coverin-up for ol "W"!

:smh: at those who believe there is a difference between the Dems & Repubs

But you still vote republican.:eek:
 
Issa Plans to Move Forward With Holder Contempt Vote

House Republicans plan to press on with consideration Wednesday by the Oversight and Government Reform Committee of a vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress regarding a stand-off over documents tied to the botched Fast and Furious" sting operation.

The announcement Tuesday night by committee chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., followed a closed-door meeting at the Capitol between Issa and other Republican and Democratic lawmakers with Holder at the U.S. Capitol. Issa described himself as disappointed and still hoping for a breakthrough.

"I had hoped that after this evening's meeting I would be able to tell you that the Department had delivered documents that would justify the postponement of tomorrow's vote on contempt," said Issa, in a statement.

Issa claimed the Justice Department had told the Committee last Thursday that it had documents it could produce that would answer our questions.

Holder, speaking in the Capitol Rotunda to reporters, said he had come "in good faith" and that he had made a number of documents, specifically those from February to December of 2011, available.

Asked if he thought he and his department could avoid the contempt vote, Holder said, "The ball's in their court."
 
Issa Plans to Move Forward With Holder Contempt Vote

House Republicans plan to press on with consideration Wednesday by the Oversight and Government Reform Committee of a vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress regarding a stand-off over documents tied to the botched Fast and Furious" sting operation.

The announcement Tuesday night by committee chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., followed a closed-door meeting at the Capitol between Issa and other Republican and Democratic lawmakers with Holder at the U.S. Capitol. Issa described himself as disappointed and still hoping for a breakthrough.

"I had hoped that after this evening's meeting I would be able to tell you that the Department had delivered documents that would justify the postponement of tomorrow's vote on contempt," said Issa, in a statement.

Issa claimed the Justice Department had told the Committee last Thursday that it had documents it could produce that would answer our questions.

Holder, speaking in the Capitol Rotunda to reporters, said he had come "in good faith" and that he had made a number of documents, specifically those from February to December of 2011, available.

Asked if he thought he and his department could avoid the contempt vote, Holder said, "The ball's in their court."


What do you think is really at issue here ? ? ?


 
source: Huffington Post

Obama Executive Privilege Asserted Over Fast And Furious Documents


President Barack Obama has asserted executive privilege in response to requests made by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, who has embarked on a controversial investigation into the Department of Justice's Operation Fast and Furious gun-walking program.

Deputy Attorney General James M. Cole addressed Issa in a letter on Wednesday morning.

"We regret that we have arrived at this point, after the many steps we have taken to address the Committee's concerns and to accommodate the Committee's legitimate oversight interests regarding Operation Fast and Furious," he wrote. "Although we are deeply disappointed that the Committee appears intent on proceeding with a contempt vote, the Department remains willing to work with the Committee to reach a mutually satisfactory resolution of the outstanding issues."

The invocation of executive privilege allows the president to defy requests and subpoenas by members of the legislative and judicial branches for information the White House deems sensitive. Obama's decision will allow him to refuse to provide certain documents pertaining to the Fast and Furious program.

Attorney General Eric Holder, who had met with Issa the day before in an attempt to reach an agreement on how many and which documents related to Fast and Furious he would turn over, had formally written Obama requesting that he exercise executive privilege. A copy of that letter is below.

Issa was scheduled to hold a contempt vote on Wednesday morning. A committee aide told Reuters that he would proceed with the vote even after Obama's action. Issa later declared that the decision to assert executive privilege "falls short of any reason to delay today's proceedings."

In an email to The Huffington Post, an administration official noted that former President George W. Bush asserted executive privilege six times, while former President Bill Clinton did it 14 times. This is the first time Obama has exercised this authority. But while that may be the case, the Republican National Committee was quick to point out that then-candidate Obama was quite critical of the practice when it was done by Bush.

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. . . an administration official noted that former President George W. Bush asserted executive privilege six times, while former President Bill Clinton did it 14 times. This is the first time Obama has exercised this authority.

But while that may be the case, the Republican National Committee was quick to point out that then-candidate Obama was quite critical of the practice when it was done by Bush.

Evidence that this is more politics aimed to get at the President, than anything else.





Issa later declared that the decision to assert executive privilege "falls short of any reason to delay today's proceedings."


. . . and Issa confirms it.

 
I'm going to give props to the president. He is one loyal person for this move.

I really hope there's nothing Nixon-like going on here.
 
I'm going to give props to the president. He is one loyal person for this move.

I really hope there's nothing Nixon-like going on here.

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I really hope there's nothing Nixon-like going on here.

It has already started! ! !

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You brothers really know about politics. Im ashamed to say I really need to learn more. Thanks for the post I was just about to call my brother and ask him to explain this to me. So all this started under Bush? Amazing.

1. Will this affect how pwople feel about Obama?
2. When a president evokes this power is it to hide something?

Again excuse my ignorance
 
I'm going to give props to the president. He is one loyal person for this move.

I really hope there's nothing Nixon-like going on here.

...or Reaganesque!

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You brothers really know about politics. Im ashamed to say I really need to learn more. Thanks for the post I was just about to call my brother and ask him to explain this to me. So all this started under Bush? Amazing.

1. Will this affect how pwople feel about Obama?
2. When a president evokes this power is it to hide something?

Again excuse my ignorance

At the heart of this is the republicans are protecting the gun industry. May be Holder is too.
 
Really ? Can you link to where you got that from ? Would be interesting.

source: Wikipedia

ATF gunwalking scandal

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ran a series of "gunwalking" sting operations<SUP id=cite_ref-csm1_1-0 class=reference>[2]</SUP><SUP id=cite_ref-wapoa_2-0 class=reference>[3]</SUP> between 2006<SUP id=cite_ref-npr1_3-0 class=reference>[4]</SUP> and 2011.<SUP id=cite_ref-csm1_1-1 class=reference>[2]</SUP><SUP id=cite_ref-nyt1_4-0 class=reference>[5]</SUP> This was done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States.<SUP id=cite_ref-atf1_5-0 class=reference>[6]</SUP> "Gunwalking" or "letting guns walk" was a tactic whereby the ATF knowingly allowed thousands of guns to be bought by suspected arms traffickers ...


source: ATF


<ABBR></ABBR>
Project Gunrunner


Gun trafficking to Mexico is a nationwide problem with consequences on both sides of the border. In response, <ABBR>ATF</ABBR> implemented Project Gunrunner in 2006 as a comprehensive strategy to reduce firearms and explosives related violent crime associated with Mexican criminal organizations operating in the U.S. and Mexico by preventing these organizations from unlawfully acquiring and trafficking firearms and explosives. Through Project Gunrunner, <ABBR>ATF</ABBR> works in conjunction with its domestic and international law enforcement partners to identify, disrupt, and dismantle the firearms and explosives trafficking infrastructure of criminal organizations operating in Mexico, along the border, and other areas of the U.S.

Project Gunrunner’s objective is to deny Mexican drug cartels the <Q>tools of the trade,</Q> which they employ to murder rival drug traffickers, civilians, as well as political, military, and law enforcement figures in order to strengthen their grip on the lucrative drug and firearms routes into and out of the United States.

The cornerstone of Project Gunrunner is intelligence-led firearms trafficking investigations. This process involves the collection of information from a variety of sources such as Federal Firearms Licensees, ballistic and forensic analysis, and data derived from firearms tracing in addition to traditional intelligence sources and methods. This information is then synthesized, analyzed and appropriate leads are disseminated to <ABBR>ATF</ABBR> field offices for investigative action. The information is also shared with our Federal, State, local and tribal partners, as well as our Mexican law enforcement counterparts, each contributing their unique capabilities and resources, forming a multi-layered, comprehensive approach to disrupting firearms trafficking and drug-related violence.

Project Gunrunner investigations have resulted in the identification and prosecution of firearms trafficking organizations in all parts of the United States, from Minnesota to Florida to all our border states, where <ABBR>ATF</ABBR> criminal intelligence and tracing data has provided valuable leads used in identifying individuals and organizations providing firearms to Mexican criminal enterprises.

In 2009, <ABBR>ATF</ABBR> established several new offices dedicated to Project Gunrunner firearms trafficking investigations in McAllen, Texas, El Centro, California, and Las Cruces, New Mexico, including a satellite office in Roswell, New Mexico, in addition to new Gunrunner teams in Tucson, Arizona and El Paso, Texas. In September 2010, <ABBR>ATF</ABBR> announced plans to expand Project Gunrunner by opening additional Gunrunner offices in Sierra Vista, Arizona, and Brownsville, Texas. Additional expansion plans include the opening of three new offices located in U.S. Consulates in Mexico, as well as adding additional investigative and analytical staff to the <ABBR>ATF</ABBR> Country Office in Mexico City. These steps will allow for more timely and effective collaboration among the various law enforcement partners dedicated to Project Gunrunner.

Today, there are nearly 4,500 active Project Gunrunner investigations throughout the United States. Since its inception in 2006, and through Fiscal Year 2010, <ABBR>ATF</ABBR>’s Project Gunrunner has recommended over 1,100 criminal cases and in excess of 2,500 defendants for prosecution. To date, Project Gunrunner investigations have resulted in the seizure of over 10,000 firearms and nearly one million rounds of ammunition destined for Mexico.
 
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:lol::lol:

It has already started! ! !

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Okay, we have officially become ridiculous when you start throwing Nixon in the mix.

At the heart of this is the republicans are protecting the gun industry. May be Holder is too.

I would say more specifically the gun lobby who need to scare up people to keep their money coming in. The gun industry will always be okay because guns will never be illegal but groups like the NRA need to keep dumb shit ginned up to keep receiving their donations.
The lost life of a border agent has been lost in this push to gain political advantage.
 
Okay, we have officially become ridiculous when you start throwing Nixon in the mix.


We? Be more specific.



I would say more specifically the gun lobby who need to scare up people to keep their money coming in. The gun industry will always be okay because guns will never be illegal but groups like the NRA need to keep dumb shit ginned up to keep receiving their donations.
The lost life of a border agent has been lost in this push to gain political advantage.

gun lobby = gun industry

Get rid of the Gun Show Loophole and this whole controversy would have never existed.


source: ABC News

Show Loophole Still Not Closed

It has been three years since Omar Samaha last saw his sister Reema alive. Reema was one of 32 victims whose life was taken in the tragic shootings at Virginia Tech University. This weekend marks the third anniversary.

Images of Reema dancing the weekend before the attacks are still fresh in her family's mind.

"It's nothing you really get over," family member Nina Samaha-Reiten said.

And three years later, Reema's family is also not over the fight; the fight to close what many consider a glaring loophole in Virginia's gun laws.

It is called the gun show "loophole" and as it exists, anyone can buy a gun from a private dealer without a background check.

And early this week, just one day before the third anniversary, three Virginia congressmen, urged their colleagues to reconsider closing the loophole.

Democrats Jim Moran, Bobby Scott and Gerald Conolly sent a letter to members of the House of Representatives asking them to support a bill requiring private sellers to perform background checks on buyers at gun shows.

One year ago ABC News followed Reema's brother Omar to a gun show in Richmond, Va. Within a few minutes of arriving, Omar was able to purchase a glock handgun, the same make of gun used to kill at Virginia Tech.

After one hour at the show, Omar walked away with a handful of guns, all purchased without one single background check.

Watching the entire transaction was former ATF agent Jerry Nunziato.

"There was nothing illegal about their transactions," Nunziato said.
In spite of the congressmen's recent appeal, three years later, those transactions are still perfectly legal. Many gun rights advocates say it should stay that way.

Last May a bill introduced to end the loophole has yet to be heard by committee or brought up for debate.

For Reema Samaha's family the fight continues.


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My congressman discussing the issue with the AG.


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