~-~-~-~Official 2012 NBA Finals Thread: Miami Heat vs. OKC Thunder(Heat 3-1)~-~-~-~

[wiZe]

Re: ~-~-~-~Official 2012 NBA Finals Thread: Miami Heat vs. OKC Thunder(even 1-1)~-~-~

Westbrook stopped attacking in the 4th. That's one reason for the loss. He has to penetrate or hit the mid-range. No hero ball, just good ball movement and penetration. His most notable 4th qtr shots were his missed 3s. With Durant ref'd out and the rest of the team playing so so on O, he should have done more. His penetration would have allowed him more assists.

Also, I expect more from Ibaka. A lot of mental mistakes by the whole team throughout the game.

 

[cole256]

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For you to call that nonsense is hilarious. LeBron's first foul came in the third when Durant blew past him and he LeBron hit him with his shoulder. If LeBron had already had two bull shit calls on him that's 3. And as far as the use his body to contest Wade's jumper how the fuck is it a stupid foul when he didn't fucking foul him? He didn't touch him? Durant had more than one questionable call on him. As physical as that fucking game was you still saying that bump on D wade out of his triple threat stance is a fucking foul? When you have to sit with 4 and 2 of them was bull shit you damn right the fouls and refs fucked the game. The trying to take a charge wasn't stupid at all. He stayed in the game after that foul. It's a questionable foul I think he got there some say he didn't but any way it was close enough to debate. The most fucked up foul call is that one they called against D wade when he didn't touch him and he was cooking the heat in the 3rd. That completely changed the complexion of the game.

 

[cole256]

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Like I said ok the heat won. If I'm a heat fan I don't give a fuck I just wanted us to win. But don't come with all that bad calls didn't happen or the calls don't matter bull shit. Got the calls in 3 games against the Celtics now you got them in two games against the Thunder. D Wade getting little nudge calls on one end and he slapping niggas upside their head and not getting called on the other. LeBron beasting on one end getting his FT's and on the other he can grab a niggas arm and cause a Turnover and some of y'all want to scream it doesn't matter. Man GTFOH

 

[BLACKLOOP]

Damn yall still carrying on with the refs huh..I see how this works now if Lebron leads the team to a win the refs helped out, shane should be mvp or D.Fade saved the day

If the Lebron Lead heats lose..lebron is a choke artist who disappears in the fourth quarter...hopefully he wins his first chip so u Kobe nd cavaliers fans can eat crow


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[largebillsonlyplease]

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He got a charge, a few blocks and even a air ball during a crucial possession... But the biggest thing the Heat was able to do was force the ball out of Durant hands by playing him physical and tough...
As far as the cut and lean, it is still called especially on a big guy guarding a guard... (big men are trained never to leave your feet vs a guard outside the paint..) I guess KD sort of forgot he is damn near 7 feet, and will get called for that..

thanks for proving my point.

they play himm PHYSICAL and tough and get away with it.

He tries to return the favor by doing the same thing or fighting through a screen, and the whistle blows.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

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Word? ​

Look how they forced him to his left where Charmers was trying to set him up for a charge and Bosh for the block... Once he put that ball down going left, he was stuck and forced to put the ball up.... Look how much time the defense had to react and set him up..

the problem is you're trying to pass off common help defense as some great strategy.... you're trying to say oh look at the setup when its just good help defense.....because lebron needs the help.

i could easily say kd is doing the same thing then right? he's suckering lebron into going to his left right into ibaka and perkins who are right there to disrupt all of his shots and results in a lot of blocks (by ibaka) and tough shots for him

see how that works?

you'll then say nah lebron is just beating kd cause he can't guard him and thats help defense

but the notion that lebron needs help on someone is just too much for you guys to handle lol.

its funny 1st 3 rounds when i said heat were the better team and the heat should win those series and lebron is the man and i argued all the bs that happened to the heat i was cool then.

now when shit is going the heats way and they aren't the better team...they're even and when lebron is getting the benefit
SUDDENLY
i somehow am a heat hater and i am anti lebron

 

[cole256]

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Damn yall still carrying on with the refs huh..I see how this works now if Lebron leads the team to a win the refs helped out, shane should be mvp or D.Fade saved the day

If the Lebron Lead heats lose..lebron is a choke artist who disappears in the fourth quarter...hopefully he wins his first chip so u Kobe nd cavaliers fans can eat crow


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This is why if you're a Lebron stan I can't talk to you. If you a heat fan we can debate but when your purpose is to have Lebron's child what's the point of trying to talk reason?

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

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the problem is you're trying to pass off common help defense as some great strategy.... you're trying to say oh look at the setup when its just good help defense.....because lebron needs the help.

i could easily say kd is doing the same thing then right? he's suckering lebron into going to his left right into ibaka and perkins who are right there to disrupt all of his shots and results in a lot of blocks (by ibaka) and tough shots for him

see how that works?

you'll then say nah lebron is just beating kd cause he can't guard him and thats help defense

but the notion that lebron needs help on someone is just too much for you guys to handle lol.

its funny 1st 3 rounds when i said heat were the better team and the heat should win those series and lebron is the man and i argued all the bs that happened to the heat i was cool then.

now when shit is going the heats way and they aren't the better team...they're even and when lebron is getting the benefit
SUDDENLY
i somehow am a heat hater and i am anti lebron

You're wrong. The next play kd went right and the same thing happened. If you can't see Lebron push his shoulder by to let Durant feel like he has the lane then I can't help you understand what you're seeing.

 

[BLACKLOOP]

This is why if you're a Lebron stan I can't talk to you. If you a heat fan we can debate but when your purpose is to have Lebron's child what's the point of trying to talk reason?

Yo the game ended cpl hours ago & bgol community still arguing about bad ref calls..call me a stan all u want fam


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[KingTaharqa]

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The same people who ripped LeBron last year in the Finals and said nothing when he attempted 20 FTs the entire series are making every excuse in the book for Durant and crying how calls and non calls effect psyche. Where's the "Jordan wouldve did it like this" speeches for Durant? Dude point totals are decreasing each game, he's fading when his team needs him most. Yall gave him that him OG/veteran respect as being more Proven and Certified than LeBron in tight games, now yall blaming the stripes. STFU.

 

[cole256]

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The same people who ripped LeBron last year in the Finals and said nothing when he attempted 20 FTs the entire series are making every excuse in the book for Durant and crying how calls and non calls effect psyche. Where's the "Jordan wouldve did it like this" speeches for Durant? Dude point totals are decreasing each game, he's fading when his team needs him most. Yall gave him that him OG/veteran respect as being more Proven and Certified than LeBron in tight games, now yall blaming the stripes. STFU.

Barring this game when have Durant faded when his team need him Some of you niggas are really funny. Let you talk enough you will really discredit yourself. So check this out did you feel like Lebron played well in last years finals? Ok let's compare Durant now where you say he's fading and Lebron in the finals last year.....Is there really a comparison? But since nobody is talking about the finals last year or any of that shit you was just talking about I'm not even going to put up his point totals to show you crazy it is that you even said he's fading. And clearly you want Durant to fail as much as you talk about somebody wanting LeBron too. Only on bgol when a nigga scores 14, 17 in the fourth quarter would you hear about him failing. But the same guy who says that vindicates Lebron for his finals when he scored something like 22 points his entire finals series. I don't give a fuck about a psyche calls effect if you're on the court or not. Period. I would tell you to STFU like you told everybody else too but I actually want you to keep talking

 

[wiZe]

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This is why if you're a Lebron stan I can't talk to you. If you a heat fan we can debate but when your purpose is to have Lebron's child what's the point of trying to talk reason?

Funny and true.

 

[KingTaharqa]

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4 points in the 4th quarter last night. Durant is too passive and lacks killer instinct. He faded mane.

 

[cole256]

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Real talk. If you try to talk about the game that was just played and the person start talking about what people said about LeBron last year you might as well stop right there. These people have a grudge that LeBron failed last year because nobody can argue and say he played well last year. They really are mad about last year but they don't have anybody to direct it too because they love Lebron so much so they are conflicted on the inside. The games going on now don't have shit to do with last year why bring last year up?

 

[KingTaharqa]

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You Durant groupies done changed your tune. Before the series started it was "KD is more clutch than LeBron" "Thunder are deeper""They gone run em off the floor!" Now listen to you, blaming refs. Its over man. Yall done already gave up. Get your money up to pay off them bets you made wit your heart and not your brain last week. I cant believe yall gave these young boys more OG/vet respect than the Heat.

 

[BDR]

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So no one notices the Heat has pretty much exposed Harden on the defensive and offensive end?

Bosh pretty much neutralized ibaka and the Heat are making okc into a 2 man show

Durant will be fine it's Westbrook harden and now ibaka that have to all step up

 

[AllState17]

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So no one notices the Heat has pretty much exposed Harden on the defensive and offensive end?

Nobody notices anything other then the refs whenever the Heat play.

As to your point, check out this article.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/45951/whens-the-james-harden-show

 

[cole256]

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4 points in the 4th quarter last night. Durant is too passive and lacks killer instinct. He faded mane.

That's my point. First of all Lebron has been doing that shit his entire career but you are still a fan. Second you was saying that shit in games he scored 12 and 17 in. Face it you're just waiting for him to have a 12 point game or some shit so you can talk shit. If you wanted to make a case against Durant you would say he's too passive for the ENTIRE game. How the fuck you gonna say he's too passive in the 4th fucking quarter when he's cooked Lebron's ass just last game? And lacks killer instinct but Lebron has it?

 

[cole256]

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So no one notices the Heat has pretty much exposed Harden on the defensive and offensive end?

I notice it on the defensive end but on the offensive end he just missed shots he makes sometimes. I don't think that really has to much to do with the heat. His 3's were hitting the back of the rim. Same shots that was all net at home. He hit 3 of those 3's he has like 17 points right? Now I do say people who said he should be a starting point are some dumb muthafuckas

 

[KingTaharqa]

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cole256, KD is supposed to be the best player in the league. "Should've won MVP" is what they said, "more clutch in the 4th than LeBron". If the Thunder lose this series, its on him. Thats his team and they will only go as far as he takes them. Thats why I know he's not winning anything anytime soon, because yall feel sorry for him rather than demand he go out there and take shit.

 

[BrownTurd]

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The thunder are easy to defend. Only three players shoot the ball and no one else. When Durant and Westbrook are in the game they are the only one shoot. After Harden checks in the game he only shoots.

I said before the series started that Miami was one of the best perimeter defenses in the NBA and would be able to stay in front of them. My doubts were if OKC could get high percentage shots.This has been the issue with OKC. They can't get high percentage shots and with OKC being such a ISO ball team those. Shots are challenged

 

[BDR]

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cole256, KD is supposed to be the best player in the league. "Should've won MVP" is what they said, "more clutch in the 4th than LeBron". If the Thunder lose this series, its on him. Thats his team and they will only go as far as he takes them. Thats why I know he's not winning anything anytime soon, because yall feel sorry for him rather than demand he go out there and take shit.

Nah Russell will get blamed

 

[cole256]

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You Durant groupies done changed your tune. Before the series started it was "KD is more clutch than LeBron" "Thunder are deeper""They gone run em off the floor!" Now listen to you, blaming refs. Its over man. Yall done already gave up. Get your money up to pay off them bets you made wit your heart and not your brain last week. I cant believe yall gave these young boys more OG/vet respect than the Heat.

I haven't seen anything to make me think Lebron is more clutch than Durant. You haven't either. But in the same breath of all that shit you just said I guess you didn't think Miami would beat Boston either huh?

 

[KingTaharqa]

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Nah Russell will get blamed

I know he will. Dudes dont got the heart to be critical of Durant. They feel sorry for him. Its not fair!

These dudes even got bitches on my facebook who dont know shit about bball crying bout refs. I see it now, everybody that hopped on that OKC bandwagon, all you Laker fans, Celtics fans, Knicks fans, etc that hopped on it, gone cry about referees the next few days.

 

[curryshotta]

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oh it was the refs again now.

Okay.

That is all I am going to say on that.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

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Nobody notices anything other then the refs whenever the Heat play.

As to your point, check out this article.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/45951/whens-the-james-harden-show

Harden didn't let Lebron back him down. I was

 

[BDR]

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I haven't seen anything to make me think Lebron is more clutch than Durant. You haven't either. But in the same breath of all that shit you just said I guess you didn't think Miami would beat Boston either huh?

Well Lebron is hitting a lot more clutch shots in these finals than Durant so far

 

[BDR]

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I know he will. Dudes dont got the heart to be critical of Durant. They feel sorry for him. Its not fair!

These dudes even got bitches on my facebook who dont know shit about bball crying bout refs. I see it now, everybody that hopped on that OKC bandwagon, all you Laker fans, Celtics fans, Knicks fans, etc that hopped on it, gone cry about referees the next few days.

The Heat are being aggressive on the offensive end and not bailing okc out with long ball jump shots.

Ain't shit you can do as a defensive if your not trying to curb that shit.

Fact is the Heat at their breakfast from the foul line.

I've seen okc have the utmost shittiest of games and beat teams with the foul line shooting.

Like is said you would have thought you were watching the heat instead of okc with the free throw misses and late game fuck ups last night

 

[cole256]

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well you'd have to point them out to me cuz in my memory I've seen one shot and two free throws. And what clutch shots have durant missed? shit he scored 17 and 16 in the 4th and the one he missed Lebron fouled him and y'all scream shit happens. Lebron is bull dozing niggas going to the line. I can't hate I admit I would do the same thing every fucking play but if all of a sudden lebron wasn't going to the free throw line and when he's playing defense if they called foul every time his body makes contact on whoever he was defending I don't know how clutch he would be then. I'm saying let these niggas play ball and let's see what's up. If you really going to sit here and act like the refs not limiting Durant's game and minutes then IMO you don't know b ball

 

[wiZe]

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Brooks shouldn't have benched Westbrook in the 4th.

 

[BDR]

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It's part refs and part Durants fault reaching in on fast breaks and reaching in on rebs when the other team clearly has possession of the ball.

Don't act like Durant is completely innocent.

If your on a fast break and you don't have position to make the defensive stop why the fuck you reaching in to take the ball? The refs will call that every time

Durant needs to learn how to concede the fast break basket so he don't pick up those type of fouls

Biting on pump fakes when guarding wade.

Those fouls he could've avoided bit him in the ass 2 games in a row

And lmao @ point out the clutch shots from bron in this series

You know exactly what shots I'm talking about the ones that mattered and closed out game 2 and 3

 

[KingTaharqa]

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Like is said you would have thought you were watching the heat instead of okc with the free throw misses and late game fuck ups last night

Its the youth and inexperience. This moment can be overwhelming for guys who never been here. As the series goes on, the Thunder seem to be playing worse and scoring less. Last series Miami sucked at the FT line against Boston, but this series they all are focusing and knocking down those shots. Thats the difference between a veteran group of 27-33 year olds and a group of 23-24 year olds tryna win a title.

 

[cole256]

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Like I said some of the fouls are his just like some of Lebron's fouls are his the difference is Lebron don't get 2 or 3 bull shit fouls added to his total. I saw two plays that make my exact point last night. Neither one of these I think Lebron should have been called for both in the first half. One play Harden beat LeBron to the spot on the post and Lebron banged the shit out oh bitch ass and got the position, which he should do but Harden was there first. Another play he was trying to deny Durant the ball he bodied, pushed, put his knee in his back and pushed Durant almost out to the 3 point line instead of Durant getting the ball around the free throw line where he started trying to post. Easily could have been called a foul but it wasn't. If LeBron has a normal reach in foul or foul while being beat off the dribble he has 3 fouls. They might have to sit him. Changes the entire game. They letting LeBron play. Why the fuck y'all so against letting Durant do the same?

 

[CT's Finest]

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[xfactor]

Re: ~-~-~-~Official 2012 NBA Finals Thread: Miami Heat vs. OKC Thunder(even 1-1)~-~-~

At the same time, Miami could be up 3-0.

I like Durant as a player but people saying he is impacting the series have to put his statistics into context.

I agree about him being "contained" because his stats just aren't having the impact that you'd think and the people blaming Westbrook are looking for a scapegoat.

I said before this series you'll see two things: 1) The Heat will win in 5 games 2) The series will prove how much better LeBron is in comparison to Durant.

Looking forward to seeing Game 4 and if Brooks will make a move to insert James Harden into the starting lineup.

KD is having a great finals, thats should never be questioned... What I am suggesting is that his play has been contained, so that his shots are difficult and so that he is not able to make his teammates better.. Durant is going to get his points, no matter what you do, they key is to put pressure on him by making him play both sides of the ball, and put the pressure on him by getting into foul trouble, by constantly going at him and attacking him..
That said, OKC could have still won both games, so that ought to tell you how great of a player KD is.