PROMETHEUS: The discussion

I think the inception of the face-hugger was ingenious in this film. Shaw couldn't have a child because her womb was no good. Life always finds a way to continue. Not only did the black goo repair her womb it allowed it to detach from her altogether in order to become the delivery system for the aliens. I'm pretty sure after a few more "life cycles" it will adapt to become the face-hugger we know from Alien canon. A mobile womb that can act on it's own with one purpose "to impregnate and continue"....fucking genius I tell you.

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Was kinda left with meh at the end of the movie. I wasn’t expecting Aliens but that was the intention: a take on a different part of the same universe. The majority of critics are just missing that point.

A few of my takes:

1 – The ping that occasionally popped inside the engineers ship: wasn’t that the snake like creature that attacked the biologist?

2 – The little worms in the black goo that later evolved into the snake were made probably because of some skin cells or other form of human DNA attached to the boots of the crew: they only form after they stepping on drops of the goo.

3 – The fetus looks like an oversized facehugger when it attacks the engineer at the end, specially as it goes still and we see that ridge on its back similar to the small Alien type facehuggers.

4 – David was awesome and he wanted to be free from Weyland’s programming (also: Weyland forced him to infect Charlie in an effort to see if the goo could cure him. "He told me to try harder.")

5 – No way in hell they would get a 100% match in the DNA sequence: not only do the common traits of the engineers differ from us we ourselves are not a perfect 100% match amongst ourselves. This stupidity in movies must end. Sadly it wasn’t the first time and most likely won’t be the last this stupid plot idea is used in a movie.

Overall I think the movie was a 3 out of 5. It had it’s moments but way too many mistakes in the plot. I enjoyed the fact they held the mistery factor but I think they held just too much. I want to know what the green canister was in the room with the xenomorph carving. I want to know more about the engineers than just they had ships full of mutagenic goo. Hopefully the likely sequel will give us these answers.
 
Was kinda left with meh at the end of the movie. I wasn’t expecting Aliens but that was the intention: a take on a different part of the same universe. The majority of critics are just missing that point.

A few of my takes:

1 – The ping that occasionally popped inside the engineers ship: wasn’t that the snake like creature that attacked the biologist?

2 – The little worms in the black goo that later evolved into the snake were made probably because of some skin cells or other form of human DNA attached to the boots of the crew: they only form after they stepping on drops of the goo.

3 – The fetus looks like an oversized facehugger when it attacks the engineer at the end, specially as it goes still and we see that ridge on its back similar to the small Alien type facehuggers.

4 – David was awesome and he wanted to be free from Weyland’s programming (also: Weyland forced him to infect Charlie in an effort to see if the goo could cure him. "He told me to try harder.")

5 – No way in hell they would get a 100% match in the DNA sequence: not only do the common traits of the engineers differ from us we ourselves are not a perfect 100% match amongst ourselves. This stupidity in movies must end. Sadly it wasn’t the first time and most likely won’t be the last this stupid plot idea is used in a movie.

Overall I think the movie was a 3 out of 5. It had it’s moments but way too many mistakes in the plot. I enjoyed the fact they held the mistery factor but I think they held just too much. I want to know what the green canister was in the room with the xenomorph carving. I want to know more about the engineers than just they had ships full of mutagenic goo. Hopefully the likely sequel will give us these answers.

Most of these "mistakes" that people are pointing out are just their own assumptions and misconceptions.

1) That was the infected worm.

2) The black goop reacted to anything living.

3) Yes it was similar but it's not the origin of the facehugger. The AVP series shows us ancient facehuggers and the xenomorphs look more like infected Predators than infected humans, probably mixed with something else as well. Facehuggers are similar to mouths and the one at the end had soft arms (like a human mouth) but the ones in other films have arms more like Predator mouths.

4) Assumption.

5) They only matched a subsection.
 
I think the inception of the face-hugger was ingenious in this film. Shaw couldn't have a child because her womb was no good. Life always finds a way to continue. Not only did the black goo repair her womb it allowed it to detach from her altogether in order to become the delivery system for the aliens. I'm pretty sure after a few more "life cycles" it will adapt to become the face-hugger we know from Alien canon. A mobile womb that can act on it's own with one purpose "to impregnate and continue"....fucking genious I tell you.

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Shaw was infected sexually, and it didn't transform her like the others, but instead repaired her reproductive system. She "delivered" a face hugger, not a live Xeno, so she essentially became a queen. I've no doubt that she is still infected. In fact, it would be awesome if she was fertilized for life, with the infection adapting to her physiology so she could more easily deliver smaller and slower maturing face huggers without stressing her body the way the first one did. I mean, she'll die of one thing or another eventually, but she could freaking start birthing small face hugger eggs. Wouldn't that be twisted?

People want this to be a direct prequel to Alien, but it's not. Different place. It's a side story in the Universe. If anything it bolsters the notion that the Xenomorph virus cannot be controlled or contained by any species. Also, if AvP is to be considered cannon, then Weyland-Utani already knew about the Xeno's and the discovery of the black goo could have activated a long standing set of orders to attain the biology at any cost. :dunno:
 
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***Warning this post contains spoilers***

I went to see Prometheus yesterday. As much as I hate to say this I agree with the people who didn't like this movie. Ridley Scott dropped the ball on this movie. From there being zero character development to the stupid scenes/situations you would expect from a SyFy channel movie. The horror aspect of this flick was bland, nothing on the level of Alien. In Alien there would be moments that would build up to the scene when the creature killed a character. But in Prometheus shit just happened abruptly, no real tension, no build up, just shit randomly happening.

These characters were just like robots, except David the android, I expected David to be the most robotic character but he was oddly the most human. Just like what another person here said, I felt indifferent to these characters, I didn't give a fuck if they lived or died. For example the scene where Holloway was an infected super zombie, I didn't care when he got killed or when he later resurrected and killed some of the other characters. I didn't know enough about his back story or any of the others back story to really give a shit about them. Look at the Avengers for example, beautiful character development throughout that movie, I actually cared about them. They grew and changed overtime in that movie, they weren't stale stagnant card board cutouts like in Prometheus.

Apparently Ridley Scott didn't even look over his own film to fix the heavy abundance of flaws permeating throughout this flick. For example we have two characters, Fifield the geologist, the guy who sends out the two spheres to MAP out the cave of wonders and Millburn the botanist dude rocking the glasses. There's a scene in the head temple urn room where they both get scared as hell and bail out. They both said FUCK IT! We getting the hell out of this god forsaken cave. Then they leave while Shaw, David and Holloway are left on there on own in the urn room. And then the next scene rolls in and they're both lost? But you remember earlier when I said Fifield was the one who sent out the two red laser beam spheres to map out the cave. How do you get lost when you have high tech map and able to communicated back to the head ship Prometheus to your location? And then there was the other scene where Millburn tried to pet the alien cobra and you can just hear and see that this little fucker wasn't anything to be playing with. There so many other idiotic scenes in this movie that it would take me hours to type it all out in fleshed out details.

Now the good points in this movie. It had some really beautiful visuals, the cinematography was visually impressive, the soundtrack was excellent and some of the acting was really good with what little the actors had to work with from that terrible script. For example Fassbender played David the Weyland Android superbly.

I left the movie theater feeling empty, I expected a whole lot more out of this flick, hell it was the perfect recipe to expand on the whole Alien universe. Now I know its not a prequel but a spin off, but this movie only caused more questions rather than answer at least some of the questions in the Alien universe/series. This whole movie took a nose dive directly on LV-233. This movie had me hyped as hell when I first heard about it but after seeing that monstrosity it just left me with a an empty feeling, "was that it?". Even FUCKYOU could've written a better script for this flick. If the rumors are true that James Cameron wants to do a sequel to Prometheus then I most definitely hope he can save Prometheus, because this series has the potential to be phenomenal.

My rating for this movie 4.0/10
 
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The movie was very "British" in its approach.
But it took the "Hollywood" way out with its ending.

And in regards to Noomi Rapace's "Shaw"...

*SPOILER*​


Being the lone HUMAN survivor, I truly thought that she would have been the "Space Jockey" figure sending the warning in "ALIEN", once she went back in the ship. That would have been perfect segue into the first film. Instead, they had to take an "existential" exit with her (and David).


*SPOILER*​

I have more to say.
Especially about the script.
And Idris Elba's ill-prepped Southern accent.

I will say to see this on the largest screen possible.
It's definitely one of the most visually gorgeous films ever.
The cinematography was beyond excellent.
Shit was purely STUNNING!!!
The score was a bit all over the place for me though.
 
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The engineer were not going to earth to destroy human life even though that would have been the outcome. The goal was bigger than human beings.

The black goop was like the primordial goop.

It was a creative medium. It had base organisms within.

The earth has had many period when different classes of creates evolved. Fish, dinosaurs, Reptiles, mammals-man.

All that goop was going to be necessary as a catalyst to activate the transition of living things on earth for another re-creation period.

The dude who was skull raped by the evolved worm came to the ship a lot bigger, and with a reconfigured back. He was like a crustacean.

The chick was inseminated by dude and she evicted the octopus type organism before it fully forms.

These are ancient earth lifeforms.

The evicted fetus grew much larger like an arthropod and it was able to impregnate the engineer and that union made the alien creature.


I dare say that the life form that the geology stayed clear and what Idris saw on the scanner could have been a predator. That would have been fun.

Was kinda left with meh at the end of the movie. I wasn’t expecting Aliens but that was the intention: a take on a different part of the same universe. The majority of critics are just missing that point.

A few of my takes:

1 – The ping that occasionally popped inside the engineers ship: wasn’t that the snake like creature that attacked the biologist?

2 – The little worms in the black goo that later evolved into the snake were made probably because of some skin cells or other form of human DNA attached to the boots of the crew: they only form after they stepping on drops of the goo.

3 – The fetus looks like an oversized facehugger when it attacks the engineer at the end, specially as it goes still and we see that ridge on its back similar to the small Alien type facehuggers.

4 – David was awesome and he wanted to be free from Weyland’s programming (also: Weyland forced him to infect Charlie in an effort to see if the goo could cure him. "He told me to try harder.")

5 – No way in hell they would get a 100% match in the DNA sequence: not only do the common traits of the engineers differ from us we ourselves are not a perfect 100% match amongst ourselves. This stupidity in movies must end. Sadly it wasn’t the first time and most likely won’t be the last this stupid plot idea is used in a movie.

Overall I think the movie was a 3 out of 5. It had it’s moments but way too many mistakes in the plot. I enjoyed the fact they held the mistery factor but I think they held just too much. I want to know what the green canister was in the room with the xenomorph carving. I want to know more about the engineers than just they had ships full of mutagenic goo. Hopefully the likely sequel will give us these answers.

***Warning this post contains spoilers***

I went to see Prometheus yesterday. As much as I hate to say this I agree with the people who didn't like this movie. Ridley Scott dropped the ball on this movie. From there being zero character development to the stupid scenes/situations you would expect from a SyFy channel movie. The horror aspect of this flick was bland, nothing on the level of Alien. In Alien there would be moments that would build up to the scene when the creature killed a character. But in Prometheus shit just happened abruptly, no real tension, no build up, just shit randomly happening.

These characters were just like robots, except David the android, I expected David to be the most robotic character but he was oddly the most human. Just like what another person here said, I felt indifferent to these characters, I didn't give a fuck if they lived or died. For example the scene where Holloway was an infected super zombie, I didn't care when he got killed or when he later resurrected and killed some of the other characters. I didn't know enough about his back story or any of the others back story to really give a shit about them. Look at the Avengers for example, beautiful character development throughout that movie, I actually cared about them. They grew and changed overtime in that movie, they weren't stale stagnant card board cutouts like in Prometheus.

Apparently Ridley Scott didn't even look over his own film to fix the heavy abundance of flaws permeating throughout this flick. For example we have two characters, Fifield the geologist, the guy who sends out the two spheres to MAP out the cave of wonders and Millburn the botanist dude rocking the glasses. There's a scene in the head temple urn room where they both get scared as hell and bail out. They both said FUCK IT! We getting the hell out of this god forsaken cave. Then they leave while Shaw, David and Holloway are left on there on own in the urn room. And then the next scene rolls in and they're both lost? But you remember earlier when I said Fifield was the one who sent out the two red laser beam spheres to map out the cave. How do you get lost when you have high tech map and able to communicated back to the head ship Prometheus to your location? And then there was the other scene where Millburn tried to pet the alien cobra and you can just hear and see that this little fucker wasn't anything to be playing with. There so many other idiotic scenes in this movie that it would take me hours to type it all out in fleshed out details.

Now the good points in this movie. It had some really beautiful visuals, the cinematography was visually impressive, the soundtrack was excellent and some of the acting was really good with what little the actors had to work with from that terrible script. For example Fassbender played David the Weyland Android superbly.

I left the movie theater feeling empty, I expected a whole lot more out of this flick, hell it was the perfect recipe to expand on the whole Alien universe. Now I know its not a prequel but a spin off, but this movie only caused more questions rather than answer at least some of the questions in the Alien universe/series. This whole movie took a nose dive directly on LV-233. This movie had me hyped as hell when I first heard about it but after seeing that monstrosity it just left me with a an empty feeling, "was that it?". Even FUCKYOU could've written a better script for this flick. If the rumors are true that James Cameron wants to do a sequel to Prometheus then I most definitely hope he can save Prometheus, because this series has the potential to be phenomenal.

My rating for this movie 4.0/10


^^^^ these convey most if not all of what i was left feeling after watching this movie very disappointed
 
First off, i thoroughly enjoyed it.

Food for thought:

Prometheus contains such a huge amount of mythic resonance that it effectively obscures a more conventional plot. I'd like to draw your attention to the use of motifs and callbacks in the film that not only enrich it, but offer possible hints as to what was going on in otherwise confusing scenes.

Let's begin with the eponymous titan himself, Prometheus. He was a wise and benevolent entity who created mankind in the first place, forming the first humans from clay. The Gods were more or less okay with that, until Prometheus gave them fire. This was a big no-no, as fire was supposed to be the exclusive property of the Gods. As punishment, Prometheus was chained to a rock and condemned to have his liver ripped out and eaten every day by an eagle. (His liver magically grew back, in case you were wondering.)

Fix that image in your mind, please: the giver of life, with his abdomen torn open. We'll be coming back to it many times in the course of this article.

The ethos of the titan Prometheus is one of willing and necessary sacrifice for life's sake. That's a pattern we see replicated throughout the ancient world. J G Frazer wrote his lengthy anthropological study, The Golden Bough, around the idea of the Dying God - a lifegiver who voluntarily dies for the sake of the people. It was incumbent upon the King to die at the right and proper time, because that was what heaven demanded, and fertility would not ensue if he did not do his royal duty of dying.

Now, consider the opening sequence of Prometheus. We fly over a spectacular vista, which may or may not be primordial Earth. According to Ridley Scott, it doesn't matter. A lone Engineer at the top of a waterfall goes through a strange ritual, drinking from a cup of black goo that causes his body to disintegrate into the building blocks of life. We see the fragments of his body falling into the river, twirling and spiralling into DNA helices.

Ridley Scott has this to say about the scene: 'That could be a planet anywhere. All he’s doing is acting as a gardener in space. And the plant life, in fact, is the disintegration of himself. If you parallel that idea with other sacrificial elements in history – which are clearly illustrated with the Mayans and the Incas – he would live for one year as a prince, and at the end of that year, he would be taken and donated to the gods in hopes of improving what might happen next year, be it with crops or weather, etcetera.'

Can we find a God in human history who creates plant life through his own death, and who is associated with a river? It's not difficult to find several, but the most obvious candidate is Osiris, the epitome of all the Frazerian 'Dying Gods'.

And we wouldn't be amiss in seeing the first of the movie's many Christian allegories in this scene, either. The Engineer removes his cloak before the ceremony, and hesitates before drinking the cupful of genetic solvent; he may well have been thinking 'If it be Thy will, let this cup pass from me.'

So, we know something about the Engineers, a founding principle laid down in the very first scene: acceptance of death, up to and including self-sacrifice, is right and proper in the creation of life. Prometheus, Osiris, John Barleycorn, and of course the Jesus of Christianity are all supposed to embody this same principle. It is held up as one of the most enduring human concepts of what it means to be 'good'.

Seen in this light, the perplexing obscurity of the rest of the film yields to an examination of the interwoven themes of sacrifice, creation, and preservation of life. We also discover, through hints, exactly what the nature of the clash between the Engineers and humanity entailed.

The crew of the Prometheus discover an ancient chamber, presided over by a brooding solemn face, in which urns of the same black substance are kept. A mural on the wall presents an image which, if you did as I asked earlier on, you will recognise instantly: the lifegiver with his abdomen torn open. Go and look at it here to refresh your memory. Note the serenity on the Engineer's face here.

And there's another mural there, one which shows a familiar xenomorph-like figure. This is the Destroyer who mirrors the Creator, I think - the avatar of supremely selfish life, devouring and destroying others purely to preserve itself. As Ash puts it: 'a survivor, unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality.'

Through Shaw and Holloway's investigations, we learn that the Engineers not only created human life, they supervised our development. (How else are we to explain the numerous images of Engineers in primitive art, complete with star diagram showing us the way to find them?) We have to assume, then, that for a good few hundred thousand years, they were pretty happy with us. They could have destroyed us at any time, but instead, they effectively invited us over; the big pointy finger seems to be saying 'Hey, guys, when you're grown up enough to develop space travel, come see us.' Until something changed, something which not only messed up our relationship with them but caused their installation on LV-223 to be almost entirely wiped out.

From the Engineers' perspective, so long as humans retained that notion of self-sacrifice as central, we weren't entirely beyond redemption. But we went and screwed it all up, and the film hints at when, if not why: the Engineers at the base died two thousand years ago. That suggests that the event that turned them against us and led to the huge piles of dead Engineers lying about was one and the same event. We did something very, very bad, and somehow the consequences of that dreadful act accompanied the Engineers back to LV-223 and massacred them.

If you have uneasy suspicions about what 'a bad thing approximately 2,000 years ago' might be, then let me reassure you that you are right. An astonishing excerpt from the Movies.com interview with Ridley Scott:

Movies.com: We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?

Ridley Scott: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an “our children are misbehaving down there” scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, "Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it." Guess what? They crucified him.

Yeah. The reason the Engineers don't like us any more is that they made us a Space Jesus, and we broke him. Reader, that's not me pulling wild ideas out of my arse. That's RIDLEY SCOTT.

So, imagine poor crucified Jesus, a fresh spear wound in his side. Oh, hey, there's the 'lifegiver with his abdomen torn open' motif again. That's three times now: Prometheus, Engineer mural, Jesus Christ. And I don't think I have to mention the 'sacrifice in the interest of giving life' bit again, do I? Everyone on the same page? Good.

So how did our (in the context of the film) terrible murderous act of crucifixion end up wiping out all but one of the Engineers back on LV-223? Presumably through the black slime, which evidently models its behaviour on the user's mental state. Create unselfishly, accepting self-destruction as the cost, and the black stuff engenders fertile life. But expose the potent black slimy stuff to the thoughts and emotions of flawed humanity, and 'the sleep of reason produces monsters'. We never see the threat that the Engineers were fleeing from, we never see them killed other than accidentally (decapitation by door), and we see no remaining trace of whatever killed them. Either it left a long time ago, or it reverted to inert black slime, waiting for a human mind to reactivate it.

The black slime reacts to the nature and intent of the being that wields it, and the humans in the film didn't even know that they WERE wielding it. That's why it remained completely inert in David's presence, and why he needed a human proxy in order to use the stuff to create anything. The black goo could read no emotion or intent from him, because he was an android.

Shaw's comment when the urn chamber is entered - 'we've changed the atmosphere in the room' - is deceptively informative. The psychic atmosphere has changed, because humans - tainted, Space Jesus-killing humans - are present. The slime begins to engender new life, drawing not from a self-sacrificing Engineer but from human hunger for knowledge, for more life, for more everything. Little wonder, then, that it takes serpent-like form. The symbolism of a corrupting serpent, turning men into beasts, is pretty unmistakeable.

Refusal to accept death is anathema to the Engineers. Right from the first scene, we learned their code of willing self-sacrifice in accord with a greater purpose. When the severed Engineer head is temporarily brought back to life, its expression registers horror and disgust. Cinemagoers are confused when the head explodes, because it's not clear why it should have done so. Perhaps the Engineer wanted to die again, to undo the tainted human agenda of new life without sacrifice.

But some humans do act in ways the Engineers might have grudgingly admired. Take Holloway, Shaw's lover, who impregnates her barren womb with his black slime riddled semen before realising he is being transformed into something Other. Unlike the hapless geologist and botanist left behind in the chamber, who only want to stay alive, Holloway willingly embraces death. He all but invites Meredith Vickers to kill him, and it's surely significant that she does so using fire, the other gift Prometheus gave to man besides his life.

The 'Caesarean' scene is central to the film's themes of creation, sacrifice, and giving life. Shaw has discovered she's pregnant with something non-human and sets the autodoc to slice it out of her. She lies there screaming, a gaping wound in her stomach, while her tentacled alien child thrashes and squeals in the clamp above her and OH HEY IT'S THE LIFEGIVER WITH HER ABDOMEN TORN OPEN. How many times has that image come up now? Four, I make it. (We're not done yet.)

And she doesn't kill it. And she calls the procedure a 'caesarean' instead of an 'abortion'.

(I'm not even going to begin to explore the pro-choice versus forced birth implications of that scene. I don't think they're clear, and I'm not entirely comfortable doing so. Let's just say that her unwanted offspring turning out to be her salvation is possibly problematic from a feminist standpoint and leave it there for now.)

Here's where the Christian allegories really come through. The day of this strange birth just happens to be Christmas Day. And this is a 'virgin birth' of sorts, although a dark and twisted one, because Shaw couldn't possibly be pregnant. And Shaw's the crucifix-wearing Christian of the crew. We may well ask, echoing Yeats: what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards LV-223 to be born?

Consider the scene where David tells Shaw that she's pregnant, and tell me that's not a riff on the Annunciation. The calm, graciously angelic android delivering the news, the pious mother who insists she can't possibly be pregnant, the wry declaration that it's no ordinary child... yeah, we've seen this before.

'And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.'

A barren woman called Elizabeth, made pregnant by 'God'? Subtle, Ridley.

Anyway. If it weren't already clear enough that the central theme of the film is 'I suffer and die so that others may live' versus 'you suffer and die so that I may live' writ extremely large, Meredith Vickers helpfully spells it out:

'A king has his reign, and then he dies. It's inevitable.'

Vickers is not just speaking out of personal frustration here, though that's obviously one level of it. She wants her father out of the way, so she can finally come in to her inheritance. It's insult enough that Weyland describes the android David as 'the closest thing I have to a son', as if only a male heir was of any worth; his obstinate refusal to accept death is a slap in her face.

Weyland, preserved by his wealth and the technology it can buy, has lived far, far longer than his rightful time. A ghoulish, wizened creature who looks neither old nor young, he reminds me of Slough Feg, the decaying tyrant from the Slaine series in British comic 2000AD. In Slaine, an ancient (and by now familiar to you, dear reader, or so I would hope) Celtic law decrees that the King has to be ritually and willingly sacrificed at the end of his appointed time, for the good of the land and the people. Slough Feg refused to die, and became a rotting horror, the embodiment of evil.

The image of the sorcerer who refuses to accept rightful death is fundamental: it even forms a part of some occult philosophy. In Crowley's system, the magician who refuses to accept the bitter cup of Babalon and undergo dissolution of his individual ego in the Great Sea (remember that opening scene?) becomes an ossified, corrupted entity called a 'Black Brother' who can create no new life, and lives on as a sterile, emasculated husk.

With all this in mind, we can better understand the climactic scene in which the withered Weyland confronts the last surviving Engineer. See it from the Engineer's perspective. Two thousand years ago, humanity not only murdered the Engineers' emissary, it infected the Engineers' life-creating fluid with its own tainted selfish nature, creating monsters. And now, after so long, here humanity is, presumptuously accepting a long-overdue invitation, and even reawakening (and corrupting all over again) the life fluid.

And who has humanity chosen to represent them? A self-centred, self-satisfied narcissist who revels in his own artificially extended life, who speaks through the medium of a merely mechanical offspring. Humanity couldn't have chosen a worse ambassador.

It's hardly surprising that the Engineer reacts with contempt and disgust, ripping David's head off and battering Weyland to death with it. The subtext is bitter and ironic: you caused us to die at the hands of our own creation, so I am going to kill you with YOUR own creation, albeit in a crude and bludgeoning way.

The only way to save humanity is through self-sacrifice, and this is exactly what the captain (and his two oddly complacent co-pilots) opt to do. They crash the Prometheus into the Engineer's ship, giving up their lives in order to save others. Their willing self-sacrifice stands alongside Holloway's and the Engineer's from the opening sequence; by now, the film has racked up no less than five self-sacrificing gestures (six if we consider the exploding Engineer head).

Meredith Vickers, of course, has no interest in self-sacrifice. Like her father, she wants to keep herself alive, and so she ejects and lands on the planet's surface. With the surviving cast now down to Vickers and Shaw, we witness Vickers's rather silly death as the Engineer ship rolls over and crushes her, due to a sudden inability on her part to run sideways. Perhaps that's the point; perhaps the film is saying her view is blinkered, and ultimately that kills her. But I doubt it. Sometimes a daft death is just a daft death.

Finally, in the squidgy ending scenes of the film, the wrathful Engineer conveniently meets its death at the tentacles of Shaw's alien child, now somehow grown huge. But it's not just a death; there's obscene life being created here, too. The (in the Engineers' eyes) horrific human impulse to sacrifice others in order to survive has taken on flesh. The Engineer's body bursts open - blah blah lifegiver blah blah abdomen ripped apart hey we're up to five now - and the proto-Alien that emerges is the very image of the creature from the mural.

On the face of it, it seems absurd to suggest that the genesis of the Alien xenomorph ultimately lies in the grotesque human act of crucifying the Space Jockeys' emissary to Israel in four B.C., but that's what Ridley Scott proposes. It seems equally insane to propose that Prometheus is fundamentally about the clash between acceptance of death as a condition of creating/sustaining life versus clinging on to life at the expense of others, but the repeated, insistent use of motifs and themes bears this out.

As a closing point, let me draw your attention to a very different strand of symbolism that runs through Prometheus: the British science fiction show Doctor Who. In the 1970s episode 'The Daemons', an ancient mound is opened up, leading to an encounter with a gigantic being who proves to be an alien responsible for having guided mankind's development, and who now views mankind as a failed experiment that must be destroyed. The Engineers are seen tootling on flutes, in exactly the same way that the second Doctor does. The Third Doctor had an companion whose name was Liz Shaw, the same name as the protagonist of Prometheus. As with anything else in the film, it could all be coincidental; but knowing Ridley Scott, it doesn't seem very likely.

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In any event, comparisons between Prometheus and Alien are invidious. The latter was an exercise in prolongued psychological tension and claustrophobia with flashes of gory horror, whilst Prometheus is on a much grander scale and is, a few icky moments notwithstanding, a Sci-Fi film rather than a horror flick (as Cordy says).

Most of the grumbling about it seems to be coming from anoraks who're cross because it's not how they thought it should be and from film critics who were expecting a 'game changer.' To the former I say pah, go and make the film you wanted yourrselves then and the latter, well, how could it be? We're already familiar with the world in which Prometheus is set.

Anyhow, I agree that there do seem to be some bits missing, but on the whole it was splendid. I enjoyed the subtle nods to Alien too (several screen shots and the appearance of one of Jerry Goldsmith's original musical themes) and some of the filming was absolutely beautiful, eg. the virtual universe.
 
In any event, comparisons between Prometheus and Alien are invidious. The latter was an exercise in prolongued psychological tension and claustrophobia with flashes of gory horror, whilst Prometheus is on a much grander scale and is, a few icky moments notwithstanding, a Sci-Fi film rather than a horror flick (as Cordy says).

Most of the grumbling about it seems to be coming from anoraks who're cross because it's not how they thought it should be and from film critics who were expecting a 'game changer.' To the former I say pah, go and make the film you wanted yourrselves then and the latter, well, how could it be? We're already familiar with the world in which Prometheus is set.

Anyhow, I agree that there do seem to be some bits missing, but on the whole it was splendid. I enjoyed the subtle nods to Alien too (several screen shots and the appearance of one of Jerry Goldsmith's original musical themes) and some of the filming was absolutely beautiful, eg. the virtual universe.

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Shaw was infected sexually, and it didn't transform her like the others, but instead repaired her reproductive system. She "delivered" a face hugger, not a live Xeno, so she essentially became a queen. I've no doubt that she is still infected. In fact, it would be awesome if she was fertilized for life, with the infection adapting to her physiology so she could more easily deliver smaller and slower maturing face huggers without stressing her body the way the first one did. I mean, she'll die of one thing or another eventually, but she could freaking start birthing small face hugger eggs. Wouldn't that be twisted?

People want this to be a direct prequel to Alien, but it's not. Different place. It's a side story in the Universe. If anything it bolsters the notion that the Xenomorph virus cannot be controlled or contained by any species. Also, if AvP is to be considered cannon, then Weyland-Utani already knew about the Xeno's and the discovery of the black goo could have activated a long standing set of orders to attain the biology at any cost. :dunno:

the points of contention that threw things off for me in the movie.

In no particular order...

The two scientist who break away from the group to "go back to the ship" only to be found in a different part of the complex.
Upon discovering dead bodies of the Space Jockey/Engineers all over an underground complex on the planet one of the scientists, Fifield, the geologist, basically freaks out (ala Pvt Hudson "Game Over, Man!) and says his expertise is in examining rocks not dead aliens and with Milburn, a biologist, in agreement (who curiously leaves even though studying organisms is right up his alley) both men decide to go back to the mothership. Okay that makes sense. Its a creepy place with dangerous looking shit all around and no one knows how all these aliens died so fuck it, I'm outta here. Great. Not too long after they leave the main group has to leave the complex anyway because a storm is coming and they'll be trapped in the complex if they don't leave right away. Upon getting back to the mothership, the captain says wheres Fifield and Milburn? Wait, they didn't get out even thought they had a head start before everyone else? They got lost even thought there are mapping bots actively charting the complex in real time and they're in constant contact with the mothership who can track their location? Hmmm..somethings not right about that. But more on that a little later.

No one pursues or seems surprised to find Shaw is covered in blood and had major surgery?
Shaw gets pregnant by her infected boyfriend Holloway. In typical Alien fashion the gestation period is rapid and soon she showing a potbelly much to her own surprise since she couldn't get pregnant in the first place. Its decided, against her will, that she will be placed in stasis for the duration of the pregnancy and the ride back to Earth. Shaw then fights off the medical crew members trying to put her to sleep and runs to a robotic medical station and has an emergency cesarean section performed on herself in a particularly graphic scene. Out comes a squid fetus and Shaw is stapled back together. She then staggers to another part of the ship where she finds oldman Weyland himself (long thought dead) coming out of stasis sleep and being tended to by the medical crew that tried to put her to sleep. Whats curious about this scene is at no point did anyone pursue Shaw as she broke free. No one came to the med lab she was in getting her C-section done. No one even bothers to question why she's drenched in blood. Neither Vickers nor the ship's captain Janek are even aware of what transpired and its not a huge ship nor very many people in it. This scene just does not work logically.


Vickers revelation about being Weyland's daughter goes nowhere so ultimately means nothing
After Weyland is awakened, he has a private conversation with his employee Meredith Vickers, During some intense back and forth its revealed that incredibly old man tagged along to find a way to live forever and is hoping the Engineers can help him. Vickers, none too happy that the old dude won't kick the bucket, derisively calls him "father". Well that explains the muted hurt look she had when Weyland happily called David the closest thing he had to a son. Proudly acknowledging parentage about an android but not his own flesh and blood. But what that little revelation doesn't do is go anywhere or amount to anything significant. When she spits the word father at him, it was during an extreme close up with tense music underneath. Surely this reveal presented in such a fashion would mean some sort of long overdue showdown between these two? Nope. Weyland is her pappy, then they both die. Oookay.


David's behavior and actions seem to have nothing to do with Weyland's agenda.
Unlike the other films in which we discover further into the story that there is an android operating among the crew, we are introduced to David very early on. We find him monitoring the crew who are in travel stasis and watching old movies. Also unlike the other films David acts like an artificial human where in Alien we didn't find out that Ash wasn't human until he head was bashed off. David acts suspiciously and sinister-like from the jump but the difference here is that the androids from the Alien films were acting on orders from Weyland Corp to bring back a specimen for their bio-weapons division. There is no bio-weapons division yet because there is no reason for the company to think that anything aggressive is going to happen if they meet anyone. Also we later find out that Weyland himself is on the ship and his agenda is to extend his lifespan. At one point David is in contact with someone from Weyland and tells Vickers the order is to "try harder". So in an effort to do that David infects Holloway with the black goo substance he obtained from the complex. This makes no sense since there is no way to know what the effect could be. Maybe Holloway transforms into a higher order being, maybe he dissolves into a puddle of goo, maybe the infection becomes airborne or easily communicable and kills everyone on the ship including Weyland himself. If David is acting on his own then he's doing something that no other android in the Alien universe ever did. Hopefully rather than a plot hole David's actions will be explain in the sequel.

The lost, scared scientists suddenly become nature lovers.
Back with Fifield and Milburn who are still lost and wandering the complex. At this point these two are something like comic relief. They're jumping at every noise like Abbott and Costello meets the Mummy. Okay, I'll buy (grudgingly) that these two are legitimately lost even though they can get into contact with Janek. There's the (weak) explanation about some sort of signal interference but they seem to be communicating fine while the storm is raging. Janek tells them that the mapping bots have picked up a lifeform reading somewhere in the complex to which Fifield (the rock guy) freaks the hell out at the news. Okay that makes sense. They continue to wander the complex and go into a chamber where the big head is located and see something moving in the pools of black goo on the floor. Do they run screaming out the room? Nope. Then suddenly a snake like creature rises out the goo. Do Fifield and Milburn turn tail and haul ass? Nope. Fifield, Mr. "I study rocks not dead bodies", the same guy who flipped at just hearing that something alive is down there with them, this same guy gets all fascinated and kneels down to get a closer look at the damn thing. That doesn't make sense. That behavior is in fact completely contrary to his behavior earlier. Especially when you consider the fact that most mammals are naturally afraid of snakes, especially humans, its wholly unbelievable that upon seeing a space snake rearing up in a room full dead bodies, Fifield's reaction would be "ohhh, its beautiful". That's not consistent at all with their earlier behavior.

All of this adds up to basic lazy writing and a big let down for a film that's been so heavily anticipated.

The nagging thing I just thought of... the whole "Its not a prequel, its just a whole other story set in the Alien Universe" thing.

That's bullshit, its a prequel!

Why? Because its at the beginning of everything! Its the Engineers, its Weyland himself, its the birth of the precursor to the Xenomorph. Its all those things that need to happen in order for Alien Aliens, Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection to exist.

A story that just exists in the same universe yet has nothing to do with the events of any other movie would either just deal with the Space Jockeys/Engineers or involve the precursor to the xenomorphs and most definitely not involve anyone from Weyland Corp. or Weyland/Yutani.

So Prometheus is a direct line prequel to Alien whether they like it or not because that's how they wrote it. If Alien is the father then Prometheus is the Great-great-grandfather.

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once i saw the engineer and size next to humans along with matchin dna, all a thought of was nephilim.
 
Its not a plot hole, when David went into Weylands chamber and was confronted by Vickers in the hallway, she asked him what Weyland said, David says she doesn't want to know, then he proceeds to get the black goo from the ampule and put it in the drink. It was implied that Weyland gave him the order. At that point in the movie you didnt know Weyland was onboard the ship, but when you find out later he's still alive that is the "ah ha" moment.

I'm starting to realize "plot hole" is the new buzz word for ppl watching movies who are afraid/unwilling to draw their own conclusions...the phrase is totally overused...watching it again right now to kinda answer anything I felt wasn't clear the first time around...the only "plot hole" that annoyed me is why she didn't strip down completely before the operation :lol:
 
...also David had a lot of quotables none of which were by accident which give some insight into his motives...I think him spying on Shaw's dreams helped motivate him as well...either that or it helped him make a connection w/ her to achieve his goals...2 lines he said stood out to me...the one about nothing in the desert something something and then the part about all children wanting their parents dead...I might be reaching but I think there's a lot of resentment in David as he always tryna one-up everyone on some verbal sparring shit...I think his goal is to eliminate mankind...he seemed to respect the "engineers" far more than humans
 
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...also David had a lot of quotables none of which were by accident which give some insight into his motives...I think him spying on Shaw's dreams helped motivate him as well...either that or it helped him make a connection w/ her to achieve his goals...2 lines he said stood out to me...the one about nothing in the desert something something and then the part about all children wanting their parents dead...I might be reaching but I think there's a lot of resentment in David as he always tryna one-up everyone on some verbal sparring shit...I think his goal is to eliminate mankind...he seemed to respect the "engineers" far more than humans

it was obvious dat robot had his own agenda..u can tell he thought humans were beneath him and prob cause he has a lot of input in general i think he already knew da engineers plan and dat once in contact with them humans were gonna get eliminated..his whole vibe is straight shiesty
 
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