Why would the main character do what she did at the end of the movie if from the looks of it, she'll get her ass whooped by aliens?
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ok well since yall talking about parts in the movie ,some one please xplain why the robot put that drop of blood in dudes drink..i mean that was a evil robot.he said how far would u go to get ur answer.that part just left me like why the hell would he do that.i mean for a robot he was showing alot of anger..
It's a plot hole: the movie failed to explain the purpose of dropping the blood in the drink. Moreover, if there was a purpose behind it, how did they know, or what did they expect, would happen? I mean this movie offered very little, to no, closure on any of the intrigues it introduced.
Wayland needed a guinea pig to test the black goo on so he ordered David test it on the archeologist.
Wayland was looking for a way to prolong his life.
Its not a plot hole, when David went into Weylands chamber and was confronted by Vickers in the hallway, she asked him what Weyland said, David says she doesn't want to know, then he proceeds to get the black goo from the ampule and put it in the drink. It was implied that Weyland gave him the order. At that point in the movie you didnt know Weyland was onboard the ship, but when you find out later he's still alive that is the "ah ha" moment.
I was about to post my thoughts until I read your post. replace 16 yr old son with daughter and we will have the exact same text.
I am already hungry for the sequel.
David was analyzing everything from the moment they entered the main structure. He viewed the fluid between his fingers before entering the chamber. He watched as the black fluid was morphing in the inner chamber. Of course he was reading the inscriptions throughout the complex. He just didn't share his findings and assumptions with the crew.
Dude was a test subject. David also expected dude to inseminate the chick too. He was awaiting the birth of whatever was in her womb.
The crew were a band of self serving misfits. More importantly, they never asked any real scientific questions. They were the worst group of scientists ever. they followed no protocol. They just trampled and touched and ran no tests before disturbing any and everything they encountered. They were worst than a bull in a china shop. This was a fucked up First Contact effort.
I see why the engineer had no love for them. They didn't even have the decency to speak to him in his language. They didn't come at him respectfully. A robot, a woman, an old man and some extras.
Part of that was the curiosity of him being an android, kind of childlike, wanting to explore things for himself. The other half was orders straight from Weyland. And yes, David did speak the jockeys language to him. He told the engineer that Weyland came because he wanted to extend his life. The jockey flipped because here these humans are asking him to extend a life, and ya'll were supposed to be destroyed 2k years ago. He flips out, and set his starmap straight for earth.
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That made a lot of sense. Ya'll are supposed to be dead but you come asking for more life?
That made a lot of sense. Ya'll are supposed to be dead but you come asking for more life?
So let me get this straight: they could test the DNA of the head they found and instantly determine that it contained our parent DNA, but they couldn't test that black goop to figure out it was a deadly biological weapon without trying it on someone first?
So let me get this straight: they could test the DNA of the head they found and instantly determine that it contained our parent DNA, but they couldn't test that black goop to figure out it was a deadly biological weapon without trying it on someone first?
Well you're talking about two different set of people with two separate agendas. The science duo came to investigate the architects and Wayland came looking for life. So while the chick tested the head (what she originally came for) Wayland wanted to test what was in the vases because he believe it was "life giving"....
I do agree they completely dropped every bit of the scientific method in the way they investigated the scene. No protocol or anything. Maybe they were excited just to be there? But most logical people just don't blunder into scientific finds like that.
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I don't think anyone who has NOT seen the movie should be in here, but regardless, SPOILERS.....
...Yeah, it was a privately funded expedition after all. The second everyone realized there really was extraterrestrial evidence on the planet, it turned into a hodge podge of different groups doing their own thing while they all reaped the rewards of each others screw ups. They were acting on archaeological finds from thousands of years ago, most of the crew intended the experience to be a field trip to another dig site, so whatever protocol they may have been versed in, went out the window really quickly.
Weyland-Utani, being the worst greedy super corp in all of sci-fi, always knows more than they let on and since David taught himself the language of the Engineers from the archaeological data, it's very possible he knew exactly what was going to happen from the start. Its possible that his agenda extends beyond what Mr. Weyland planned upon his awakening.
I'm wondering if the urns contain the actual origin of the Xenomorph species, making them actually nothing more then a galactic super-virus; or if the Engineers simply extracted the species' genetic makeup and developed a Xenomorph in a can" weapon based on their studies of the creatures.
Regardless, taking the Nostromo's encounter into account along with Prometheus, it seems the Engineers just completely lost control of the Xenomorphs a long, long time in different places all before humans came into play.
What I find most fascinating is that this movie plays right into what we've seen from the later sequels; regardless of how the Xenomorph infection gets started, the species will adapt to its birthing host sometimes radically while still returning to its basic genetic archetype generation after generation. I think the "Newborn" from Alien Resurrection was a highly mutated anomaly. Though it most likely could have fertilized itself, I'm sure over a couple of generations, the exoskeletal Xeno we're use to would have returned. Amazing species/ weapon... tool?
I have to see this move again.
...Yeah, it was a privately funded expedition after all. The second everyone realized there really was extraterrestrial evidence on the planet, it turned into a hodge podge of different groups doing their own thing while they all reaped the rewards of each others screw ups. They were acting on archaeological finds from thousands of years ago, most of the crew intended the experience to be a field trip to another dig site, so whatever protocol they may have been versed in, went out the window really quickly.
Weyland-Utani, being the worst greedy super corp in all of sci-fi, always knows more than they let on and since David taught himself the language of the Engineers from the archaeological data, it's very possible he knew exactly what was going to happen from the start. Its possible that his agenda extends beyond what Mr. Weyland planned upon his awakening.
I'm wondering if the urns contain the actual origin of the Xenomorph species, making them actually nothing more then a galactic super-virus; or if the Engineers simply extracted the species' genetic makeup and developed a Xenomorph in a can" weapon based on their studies of the creatures.
Regardless, taking the Nostromo's encounter into account along with Prometheus, it seems the Engineers just completely lost control of the Xenomorphs a long, long time in different places all before humans came into play.
What I find most fascinating is that this movie plays right into what we've seen from the later sequels; regardless of how the Xenomorph infection gets started, the species will adapt to its birthing host sometimes radically while still returning to its basic genetic archetype generation after generation. I think the "Newborn" from Alien Resurrection was a highly mutated anomaly. Though it most likely could have fertilized itself, I'm sure over a couple of generations, the exoskeletal Xeno we're use to would have returned. Amazing species/ weapon... tool?
I have to see this move again.
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You dont know all of the motives of the character in the film. That's the whole point. In real life, you don't know everyones motives either. At your job, you don't always know your bosses motives. But when the boss makes a decision without explanation, you are only left with assumptions.So let me get this straight: they could test the DNA of the head they found and instantly determine that it contained our parent DNA, but they couldn't test that black goop to figure out it was a deadly biological weapon without trying it on someone first?
at the end of the day you are asking for a logical explanation in a horror movie, when have you ever seen a horror movie where the actions of the characters made sense?So let me get this straight: they could test the DNA of the head they found and instantly determine that it contained our parent DNA, but they couldn't test that black goop to figure out it was a deadly biological weapon without trying it on someone first?
It's a movie, though, not real life. At the end of a movie, audiences expect to leave feeling a sense of completeness (if not closure). They aren't supposed to leave having more questions about the film then they had before they saw it. That is a requisite of good story telling. This movie failed because it didn't accomplish that very fundamental aspect of story telling.
I'm not a fan of the horror movie genre, so I don't watch very many of them. In the ones I saw, though, the characters' actions all made sense. The killer is a psychopath because of something that happened to him in his past; the victims are usually in the wrong place at the wrong time, or just stupid, etc. Everything that happens in the horror movie may not exactly be logical, but at the end of it, you feel like the narrative is complete.
None of this happened at all in Prometheus. The actions of the engineers are speculative at best. The end of the movie is a wtf moment. Granted, some movies purposely end on WTF moments, but it's clear that this was not Ridley Scott's intention in Prometheus. He completely missed the mark with this movie.
I didn't have any questions when I left the theater. I'm sure people are wondering stupid shit like SPOILER: If shaw takes the Juggarnaut to the jockeys home planet, how will she survive, what will she eat, can she go into stasis. None of that matters, because the character is completely set on going even risking death or never making it to the planet. I personally feel the only mistake Ridley Scott made was overestimating his audiences ability to fill in the blanks. A lot of the mystery in the film comes from the fact that the crew doesn't know jack shit, and they basically all die before answers are available.
You liked the movie, and you would have liked it regardless. That's fine. I get it. Still, you obviously had questions--e.g., the one's you posed in what I quoted. Moreover, you don't know the reasons behind the basic premise of this movie--i.e., the engineers rational for their decision to create, and then destroy, humans. I could go on about the questions that everyone, including you, has about this movie even if you won't admit you have them. But I don't see the point. You liked this movie, I didn't: that's not going to change. So in the end, we have no choice but to agree to disagree.
They can expect that, but if they believe they deserve it, then they don't understand films.
Um, yes they can.
No it isn't.
No offense bro but I call bullshit. Movies don't have to give you a form of completeness. Movies/film are just a storytelling medium and just like any art form can be dispensed in any fashion the creator wants.
Sometimes not every thing is spelled out for you, the creator believes you're smart enough to fill in the gaps.
Did Pulp Fiction tell you what was in the case? Was it shot in a linear timeline? No, it's still a good film.
Memento was shot with the story telling completely in reverse and it was considered groundbreaking and got critical acclaim.
I was working at a movie theater once and a white women, walked out of the movie and demanded a refund because the movie was entirely shot with sub-titles (mandarin was being spoken) and she said movies "aren't supposed to be like that - movies like that can't be followed". I took it as so many American movie goers are programmed. Beginning - middle - end. If it's not shot like that then they think the movie stinks.
Dude, like I said in the post earlier, even the crew did not get the answer to the question of why humans were created or why they were to be destroyed. Hence the reason Shaw is taking off in the juggarnaut toward the end. I mean damn, you obviously wanted every answer there is to know. If you really want to draw inferences, then look at the date when the outbreak happened on LV-223. They said 2K years give or take. What was going on 2k years ago on Earth?
Not always, but usually, films that fail to give a sense of completeness are deemed bad and are otherwise poorly received. Just like everything, there are exceptions to the rules. In film, the director has a liberal license to do whatever he wants. If he can get away with deviating from some norm then fine--it's considered ground breaking. Here, however, he did not succeed.
As proof of this, for every critic that says the movie was good I find you three that say otherwise.
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Its still so weird that ole girl didn't mention the facehugger she gave birth to...and no one bothered to ask. Despite her being all bloody and bending over in pain.
How is she (or the android) able to fly the ship? The chair and pods are built for much larger beings. What she gonna eat? Drink?
Why did no one mention the other team members missing from the first expedition. They said they were heading back. But none of the vehicles were missing...no one bothered to count?
The xenomorph in the wall...so they knew about them already..that would mean someone would have had to create a facehuger? Some other infected host knocked up someone who gave birth to one?
Why were scientists so stupidly curious?
On second viewing, I like it better..but still too much missing.
Its still so weird that ole girl didn't mention the facehugger she gave birth to...and no one bothered to ask. Despite her being all bloody and bending over in pain.
How is she (or the android) able to fly the ship? The chair and pods are built for much larger beings. What she gonna eat? Drink?
Why did no one mention the other team members missing from the first expedition. They said they were heading back. But none of the vehicles were missing...no one bothered to count?
The xenomorph in the wall...so they knew about them already..that would mean someone would have had to create a facehuger? Some other infected host knocked up someone who gave birth to one?
Why were scientists so stupidly curious?
On second viewing, I like it better..but still too much missing.
I was left wondering how the Predators tie into all of this....The interior of the Engineer's ship looked quite similar to a Predator vessel....
Some directors get caught up in trying to make a point and forget that they are making a movie.
This is why The Matrix worked so well: if you stripped away all of the allegories, symbolisms, concepts and philosophies, you still had a very entertaining movie.
With this type of film, some people are going to like it because some like to delve into the thought processes and look deeper into the questions a movie presents. Others will see it as a film and decide whether or not it entertains them. If it doesn't, they won't like it. At their core, all movies are supposed to serve the viewer, not the other way around. Sometimes directors get caught up in conceptualization and ideology and slip up on the filmmaking aspect.
This is why The Matrix worked so well: if you stripped away all of the allegories, symbolisms, concepts and philosophies, you still had a very entertaining movie.
With this type of film, some people are going to like it because some like to delve into the thought processes and look deeper into the questions a movie presents. Others will see it as a film and decide whether or not it entertains them. If it doesn't, they won't like it. At their core, all movies are supposed to serve the viewer, not the other way around. Sometimes directors get caught up in conceptualization and ideology and slip up on the filmmaking aspect.
Aw man, THIS RIGHT HERE . . . And I mean ALL OF THIS^^^^, GOT ME HEATED. UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE. Who sends MORONS to handle FIRST CONTACT? Where they do that at?!
These were the most backward ass scientists EVER depicted in film. The WEAKEST Star Trek away teams had better discipline than these jack asses.
And GET THIS, . . . . HOW IN THEE FUCK does Shaw STILL believe in god after SCIENTIFIC proof that the entire human race was a spin off of these 'engineers'. Didn't the film put the final nail in the coffin of biblical dogma (in the context of the film)?
AND, this story arc rips from SIR Arthur C. Clark . . . where the advanced alien race judges the human race no longer fit as a culture responsible enough to join the galactic community.
JG
The engineer were not going to earth to destroy human life even though that would have been the outcome. The goal was bigger than human beings.
The black goop was like the primordial goop.
It was a creative medium. It had base organisms within.
The earth has had many period when different classes of creates evolved. Fish, dinosaurs, Reptiles, mammals-man.
All that goop was going to be necessary as a catalyst to activate the transition of living things on earth for another re-creation period.
The dude who was skull raped by the evolved worm came to the ship a lot bigger, and with a reconfigured back. He was like a crustacean.
The chick was inseminated by dude and she evicted the octopus type organism before it fully forms.
These are ancient earth lifeforms.
The evicted fetus grew much larger like an arthropod and it was able to impregnate the engineer and that union made the alien creature.
I dare say that the life form that the geology stayed clear and what Idris saw on the scanner could have been a predator. That would have been fun.
The black goop was like the primordial goop.
It was a creative medium. It had base organisms within.
The earth has had many period when different classes of creates evolved. Fish, dinosaurs, Reptiles, mammals-man.
All that goop was going to be necessary as a catalyst to activate the transition of living things on earth for another re-creation period.
The dude who was skull raped by the evolved worm came to the ship a lot bigger, and with a reconfigured back. He was like a crustacean.
The chick was inseminated by dude and she evicted the octopus type organism before it fully forms.
These are ancient earth lifeforms.
The evicted fetus grew much larger like an arthropod and it was able to impregnate the engineer and that union made the alien creature.
I dare say that the life form that the geology stayed clear and what Idris saw on the scanner could have been a predator. That would have been fun.
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wow I'm stoked that I'm the only one to notice that the thing from Alien Resurrection that the "gave birth" to - but thought Ripley was it's mother - DOES look like a cross between the Xenomorphs and the Engineers..I was ready to cosign on every thing you wrote till I read that biased bullshit. I mean, obviously you're an atheist and have an atheist agenda that overwhelms any sense of you reason you have. Your disbelief in God pervades your ability to reason. Really, your disbelief in God is beyond prejudiced and borders on stupidity--how else can you explain that you missed the obvious. I don't see any difference between how you let your prejudice affect your reason and how racists do.
Who created the "engineers?" That's another one of the questions that this very weak movie introduced but did not attempt to answer. If there is a God, perhaps s/he created the engineers knowing that they would create humans. This is one of very few inferences the movie presupposed the audience would make that audience actually should have gotten. I think you would have gotten that, too, if you weren't so prejudiced.
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As coool as that would be.... I doubt they, or rather Ridley Scott, have any plans to include the Predators into "their" universe.
I can your point here. In fact I've always wonder why do people think that if, or rather when, the existence of highly extraterrestrials, and evolution is fact, how does that somehow denegates the existence of cosmic conscientiousness or entity that spawn the universe into existence billions of years ago?
Biased. . . . If you say so. Not in the mood to argue about YOUR bias.
I, in parenthesis, said in the CONTEXT of the movie. Guess you overlooked that.
The rationale you blithely overlooked, EVEN THOUGH YOU QUOTED ME ON IT, was this . . . and ONLY this . . . :
Civilizations, SEVERAL of them according to the movie, DEIFIED the 'engineers' as the CREATORS. Which solved the RIDDLE of who is the creator, once they MATCHED the DNA. OBVIOUSLY, this destroys the BIBLICAL god . . . as CREATOR. WHICH is central (don't you think) to the belief system AND the film. That which was 'miraculous' THEN . . . was reduced to genetic experimentation.
ERGO, since the BASIS for BIBLICAL belief was destroyed, there was NO LOGICAL sense in maintaining the belief. THAT'S why 'David' asked her at the end of film WHY she STILL believed. Or, more accurately, that he didn't understand WHY she still believed.
DUDE, even the fictional beheaded android GOT IT. . . . But I'm biased?? Don't focus on atheism, focus on the logic. It doesn't matter WHO made the 'engineers' . . . because THAT question only leads to WHO MADE god. No?
A swing and a MISS.
JG
P.S. Just to flesh this out a bit more, here's an excerpt from an Esquire magazine interview with Ridley Scott TAZARAI posted in another thread. LINK
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You do remember in the movie, no one was suppose to touch that black goop, David took an entire POD, without their knowing. Like Dray said, two different groups. David & Weyland had a different agenda.So let me get this straight: they could test the DNA of the head they found and instantly determine that it contained our parent DNA, but they couldn't test that black goop to figure out it was a deadly biological weapon without trying it on someone first?
well he's wrong on one part. he said the events in Prometheus do not affect the events in Alien. That's wrong because, even though the jockey from Alien is not in the movie, it is implied by when the outbreak occurred, that the jockey from Alien was chestbursted as a result of the outbreak that happened to the rest of the jockeys.
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