OKC Thunder vs San Antonio Spurs WCF
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OKC has impressed with their mental toughness
Only the finals
Daniel's not
Only the finals
Daniel's not
I'm not particularly impressed by his defense. Who is he guarding when he is on the floor? What good is he when he isn't shooting well?
You know its about the money man.
Watching that Celtics game last night is was very clear that official was not going to allow that lead to slip from the Cs. That shit was super obvious.
I liked Steven Jackson's response.
Thabo and sometimes Harden
If he was a poor defender Pop would be playing Neal instead.
What good are Jackson or Ginoboli when they aren't shooting well
Thabo and sometimes Harden
If he was a poor defender Pop would be playing Neal instead.
What good are Jackson or Ginoboli when they aren't shooting well
Not tonight you cant. That was the deciding factor. Spurs decreased their turnovers and leveled the playing field. Ibakas insane night is what nobody could account for.
They both do far more than Green. Green is worthless other than hitting a wide open corner three...and apparently he can only do that at home. Im no Ginobili fan but he can create his own shot and get the opposition in foul trouble, and even with his turnover problems he is the second best at running the offense on the team. SJax is a tough bastard who hits big shots at home and on the road and he is a damn good on the ball defender with size who can also attack the basket from time to time.If he was a poor defender Pop would be playing Neal instead.
What good are Jackson or Ginoboli when they aren't shooting well
man the refs are giving OKC alot of breaks
I liked Steven Jackson's response.
Thabo and sometimes Harden
If he was a poor defender Pop would be playing Neal instead.
What good are Jackson or Ginoboli when they aren't shooting well
Jackson and Ginoboli are vets. He got more trust in them. And I do believe he will be playing Neal more.
great game
great atmosphere
really enjoyed it.
ill write notes later
great atmosphere
really enjoyed it.
ill write notes later
Basically.
If Green is not shooting well, I don't see too much of a use for him. He is 4/21 from the arch.
At least Gary Neal can make his defender work, but dude is small. I never thought the Spurs were that great of a defensive team anyway. They have good strategies, but nothing great individually. Stephen Jackson might fuck around and be their best on ball defender.
Nba = fixed
largebills, you see how competitive the game was without the turnovers? This was my point on game 3, it was largely due to turnovers and then defensive pressure. OKC attacking the bucket was not the deciding factor.
Also, the Spurs role players did not travel for these games and once again we see the stupid play of Ginobili result in costly turnover after costly turnover....even still the game was closely played but you cannot expect to win on the road when Ibaka and Perk go berserk like that. Both had career games and one had an all time nba record type game.
No doubt bro. We will have a better idea after game four of which of us is closer to right. I just have a hard time accepting the "Spurs were exposed" bullshit you hear the clueless of bgol spout off after the loss. The team hadnt lost since fucking April and they have owned the Thunder of late. There was no magic pill that resulted in that win for Okc. It doesnt work like that. Yes Okc stepped it up defensively but the Spurs were incredibly sloppy and they were more than overdue for a loss.
We'll rap tomorrow night during/after game4.
spurs shot 50% from the field 47.8% from 3 point land and had only 10 turnovers and lost. They played extremely efficient
but the defense still bothered them enough to get key steals and key stuff to lose the game.
Ibaka had a big game but i wouldn't call his a fluke. id call perkins a fluke collinsons always gets scrap points
but to be honest the reason perkins/ibaka/collinson don't get lots of point is because they simply don't get the ball...
if ibaka got the ball often he'd score...he has a couple of go to moves and with the penetration and the double coming he can get a lot of easy buckets...if they'd just simply pass him the ball..
this is the 2nd game in a row where the thunder pounded them on the inside...and the thunder can continue to do so all series if they commit to it. everything at the rim.
the thunder only shot 30% from 3 point land so they weren't even on...
harden and westbrook only combined for 18 points...
this is what im talking about they didn't even have great games and won and at times pulled away from the spurs.
seffalosa on parker is the difference when he was on him he's bothering him and the switch is killing them.
westbrook still can contribute he needs to stop worrying about shooting 15 shots is his cap for me if he's off. he was off and he only took 10 so they still won because he got it in check.
he needs to pick up his assists nobody on the spurs can guard him he could drive and dish anytime he wants to
if he'd do that that would be the key. but like i said if he plays under control sticks to his 15 shot limit when he's not shooting well they have a chance..
the series isn't over however
blair isn't going to be the big difference he isn't fast enough.
okc's length is bothering the spurs...as i said 3 people can create their own shot consistently leonard diaw jackson do it sometimes even neal sometimes they need to do it all the time and at this point there's no point in playing danny green.
right but my point was still that okc caused them lol.
but attacking the bucket is the deciding factor...every game they've beaten them in points in the paint they've won.
ibaka can average 20ppg if he could get enough touches... if they realize involving him makes shit easier for them they'd be even better on offense and that's scary
perkins isn't doing that again...but at the same time harden and westbrook combined for 18 points... so that's the give and take.
it won't be a blowout ive always maintained these teams are even
i just would go with kd to close over parker/duncan/ginobili
not that they don't deserve the respect that's not it. its just that kd is unreal....looking at those shots in person man that shit is insane... he shoots so quick and moves so fluid its something to watch.
and westbrook needs to stop gambling and play straight up. when he does there's nothign you can do.
on 1 play he gambled at half court and missed...and had the speed to recover and poke the ball out of bounds before the guy could even get to the rim to attempt the layup...unreal speed.
they STILL haven't played a perfect game and that's my point. 4 games in they haven't played perfect and could be up 3-1 game 2 was a straight up loss.
its good defense these offenses are POTENT they don't struggle to score when its bad defense you see the spurs put up 120 shit can get out of hand.
they both make a shitload of contested shots
parker had about 5 floaters from impossible angles that just went in...it was defended well but these guys can shoot and score. the defense has been superb rarely were there open shots
and that's why the spurs aren't shooting unreal numbers like they could... 50% is good but the spurs could easily shoot 65-68% range if they had wide open shots...and im not exaggerating
okc too if they attack the rim..i think they've gotten that message hopefully
Agreed on most of your points except here. To say that they attacked the basket and that Ibakas performance was not fluke is ridiculous. Out of his 11fFG, most were long range jumpers that hit nothing but net. He only had 4 FG in the point. He had a career night. He has no go-to moves. He took advantage of spacing and hit open jumpers all night. And yes, the spurs were efficient statistically but nobody gave a significant contribution individually to offset the play of Ibaka or Perk. That and Thabo limiting Parker were big tonight...and onec again Manu and his trash play changed momentum atleast three times in key situations throughout the game.
He stunk it up again tonight. TP's in his head because he's been pissing all over him offensively. He's also making horrible decisions with the ball and crazy unforced turnovers. They should go with the vet D-Fish and bring him off the bench. KD pretty much ran the offense tonight as Westbrook just pretty much sat back and watched the show.
props man not out of the woods yet
gotta win on the road even match so its a toss up
but ibaka is usually money on his jumpers not 11 for 11 but you see he only had 11 shots and made a huge difference
if he got 18 a game there would be nothing you could do with them because you have to respect their inside. not 18 jumpers but 15 at the rim..then you can't leave him
the driving and attacking provided the space
thabo on parker is the thing that the spurs can't adjust with there's no answer for that and manu is a gamble so 50/50 he actually has a good game.
disagree with the fish starting
he brings balance to the 2nd unit.
westbrook simply needs to play under control take less jumpers and go with the 15 shot cap i was talking about..i just read that the thunder are 17-2 when he shoots 15 or fewer shots in a game.
he should drive create and dish. he should value assists and then they'd be flawless.
harden is a hog but a good shooting hog usually so nobody says shit.
and it should be settled that kd gets the ball in the 4th
and parker isn't even westbrooks problem anymore its thabo's and he's 6'7" with a 7'2" wingspan
Not surprised by this..
and yeah..when westbrook is chucking, he completely throws off the offense. Shit, westbrook is the best defense against Durant.. when Westbrook is chucking, not only does it take durant out of the game early, he never gets into a flow to have an impact later in the game... they have enough weapons on that squad for westbrook to distribute more and shoot less..
Every game is a must win but the Spurs are done and won't win another game this season.
The funny thing is that people were claiming they were unbeatable.
The same team that was #1 last year and got beat in the 1st round by the Memphis Grizzlies
The funny thing is that people were claiming they were unbeatable.
The same team that was #1 last year and got beat in the 1st round by the Memphis Grizzlies
Whats funny about people talking about them being unbeatable after seeing them sweep two playoff series and not losing a NBA game in nearly two months? And what does last years Memphis sweep of a injured, thin Spurs roster have to do with this years team? Dallas won the title last year, whats that have to do with this season?Every game is a must win but the Spurs are done and won't win another game this season.
The funny thing is that people were claiming they were unbeatable.
The same team that was #1 last year and got beat in the 1st round by the Memphis Grizzlies
You cats kill me with the "i told you so's" after this team finally loses two games of their last 22 contests. Trying way too hard. Observers cant compliment their great play during a 20game win streak but you cats can come talk smack after a two game lose streak??
15 shots is my number for him. if he's shooting 75% then he can get another 3...
and if he's attacking the rim like he should be and not shooting jumpers he can get 24 a night on 15 shots.
he should have 10assists every game no excuses
durant harden and ibaka is 10 assists guaranteed
Whats funny about people talking about them being unbeatable after seeing them sweep two playoff series and not losing a NBA game in nearly two months? And what does last years Memphis sweep of a injured, thin Spurs roster have to do with this years team? Dallas won the title last year, whats that have to do with this season?
You cats kill me with the "i told you so's" after this team finally loses two games of their last 22 contests. Trying way too hard. Observers cant compliment their great play during a 20game win streak but you cats can come talk smack after a two game lose streak??
absolutely nothing.
that's why when this thread started i gave reasons as to why i thought it could be done
not to diss the spurs
but to just believe in okc...
and as of now the series is still 50/50
the spurs are as good as we thought they were
it turns out the maturation process of okc is happening and they're better than some thought going into this seris
salty spurs fan?
there is no I told you so from my end because I haven't even been commenting in the thread but any objective observer would admit that the worst defensive team left in the playoffs being unbeatable was laughable.
Memphis didn't even have their full starting lineup last year so the injury excuse is just that.
Your team had a good run but they were lucky that they ran into utah and the clippers. If okc didn't blow it in game 1, they'd be up 3-1.
Fact is, the thunder are just the better team in this series, especially when westbrook plays under control.
Whats funny about people talking about them being unbeatable after seeing them sweep two playoff series and not losing a NBA game in nearly two months? And what does last years Memphis sweep of a injured, thin Spurs roster have to do with this years team? Dallas won the title last year, whats that have to do with this season?
You cats kill me with the "i told you so's" after this team finally loses two games of their last 22 contests. Trying way too hard. Observers cant compliment their great play during a 20game win streak but you cats can come talk smack after a two game lose streak??
I can say that the games have gone as i thought with the exception of game 4. I thought SA would win a close one. Looking forward to monday night and how SA role players perform once they are back home and if OKC can continue to have the same defensive success.
Also, TP did a good job of baiting Westbrook into a shooting contest with his comments before the series and play during... There were alot of complaints inside OKC about his shooting volume and he got away from that in 3and4 (Durant got a ton of touching in quarter 4 tonight). Lets see if he reverts to jacking in 5.
brooks should make it clear, if he wants to play 15 is the limit and you need to have assists
at least a 1:1 assists to shot ratio
and at this point he shouldn't even be worried about parker cause he doesn't have to guard him. he should just be looking to create.
parker needs help with seffalosa they need to do something to get him to the lane.... he's a big part of their points in the paint so if he isn't doing it they really aren't doing much inside to be honest
Not a spurs fan but it doesnt take one to know that this years team and last years team are different in make up, roster, starting lineup, and philosophy. And again, non of that has anything to do with this year and the fact that they were on a 20game win streak which was impressive regardless of what has happened since then.
salty spurs fan?
there is no I told you so from my end because I haven't even been commenting in the thread but any objective observer would admit that the worst defensive team left in the playoffs being unbeatable was laughable.
Memphis didn't even have their full starting lineup last year so the injury excuse is just that.
Your team had a good run but they were lucky that they ran into utah and the clippers. If okc didn't blow it in game 1, they'd be up 3-1.
Fact is, the thunder are just the better team in this series, especially when westbrook plays under control.
Its also yet to be proven which team is better this series. They have both done the same thing, hold serve at home. The best team will be determined by series winner. As for Westbrook "playing under control", thats vague and subject to interpretation of the individual. I dont think he was necessarily under control tonight considering his atrocious shooting and mediocre assist to turnover ratio.... OKC disrupting SA's offense and limiting the shooting on the perimeter is just as important.
Look my man, my point is its lame for you to come in a 19page thread on page 19 talking shit after the fact. If you had such strong opinions and predictions why not share them before now? You said any objective viewer saw this coming then why are you JUST now saying so??
Cats jumping out of their trashcans after a 20 game win streak ends on some "i told you so" shit.
He got in the paint a ton tonight. I think out of his 15shots only one game from outside the paint, and that was that 3point shot he took. Two misses were no call goaltending on Ibaka and a few he just didnt finish..I think at home he's gonna get to the line alot more doing the same thing.
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