BGOL HR: How can you REFUSE to recommend a friend for a position @ your job?

[playahaitian]

OK here is an interesting problem...

Imagine you have recently made a supervisor at a position you have only recently started...

there is already jealously because you are younger, black and higher educated then your now subordinates

who all happen to be white or immigrants and older...

Your boss texts you this morning and wants you to review a CV he received...

the person worked at your OLD job around the same time and he wants to know if you know him...

You do, actually worked with dude for YEARS...

but you just COOL...

heard he was having a tough time finding work through the grapevine...

he is actually very skilled and talented but tends to be late and lazy.

YOU are torn...

because if hired on your say so...

YOU WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE...

AND he would be working on your shift

You already know homeboy will be stellar for the first 3/4 months and as soon as probation HITS he would be slacking...

If you shit on dude it could come back to bite you cause he is still connected to many in your network...

And you don't want your old co-worker (who yo still deal with) to hear you shit on someone you worked along side...

But if you endorse him he could become YOUR problem and really effect your standing at the new job...

DO YOU GIVE A POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION???​

 

[Better]

Tell them that your reco may not be impartial, so it's best you don't get involved.

 

[Cock Head Jones]

late and lazy

not gon be able to do it.

 

[ballscout1]

I will give a friend a glowing recommendation regardless at a company I don't work at and have no plans of working for.

If it is at the company I work at then it will be truthful. If they are a fuckup they should ask somebody else.

I will save my credibilty for someone who deserves it.

 

[MadWun]

I learnt the fucking hard way, and I ma very hesitant to recommend anyone for a job.

The Story:

At my old dead end job before I graduated college, I knew this guy had some IT skills. We both got laid off from the job, but I landed a new gig in no time.

6 months later we were hiring at my new gig, and I thought about dude since he had no job yet. Put in a word for him, and I guess my manager took my word for "gold" because of my work ethic and how I held shit down.

Long story short, we hired the asshole, and the trouble began.

He was a lazy fuck who always complained about everything. Didn't want to learn. Wanted training on an IT gig and was always bumping heads with our manager who was a cool laid back cat. Was not on the job for a month yet, and he wanted work from home privileges, vacation and all that.

I was so pissed at myself for recommending him

Personally I would have fired him in under 3 months, but the boss kept him on. We later had a staff reduction and cut him.

I straight up asked my manager one day (about a year after the staff reduction): "Why did you keep him on so long?"

He said he felt sorry for him.

I felt that the situation put me in a bad spot credibility wise with the way I was viewed from then on, but luckily, they knew what I do, and how that could never be matched.

It will be a cold day in hell before I recommend anyone for a position.

 

[keone]

if its my homeboy and i know he is a serious guy we would rule that place lol. but if you know he is not that serious just say no and tell him the truth.

 

[MadWun]

Only thing I'll say pH is that if you do stick your neck out for him, you'll need to have a serious talk with him about no fucking around at all.

 

[lexdiamonnyc]

don't recommend anyone, ever.

 

[Blu Diablo]

Sounds like he's more acquaintance then friend.

If he was a friend you'd personally dress him down about the lazy and late shit but give him a glowing recommendation because he's your boy and wouldn't fuck you over.

If he's an acquaintance I'd still give the recommendation but I'd keep it to a minimum, especially if our past positions were directly tied to each other and if you didn't directly supervise him. I'd still have a talk with him about the late and lazy shit and let him know that if he's gonna be under my supervision he not gonna fuck it up for me by not doing his part.

 

[MadWun]

Sounds like he's more acquaintance then friend.

If he was a friend you'd personally dress him down about the lazy and late shit but give him a glowing recommendation because he's your boy and wouldn't fuck you over.

If he's an acquaintance I'd still give the recommendation but I'd keep it to a minimum, especially if our past positions were directly tied to each other and if you didn't directly supervise him. I'd still have a talk with him about the late and lazy shit and let him know that if he's gonna be under my supervision he not gonna fuck it up for me by not doing his part.

The motherfucker I recommended was an acquaintance.

A lot of people from he old job asked why would I recommend him.

I never knew his work ethic before that

 

[tuckdog]

Tell them that your reco may not be impartial, so it's best you don't get involved.

/thread

 

[Deezz]

not gon be able to do it.

Exactly.

Like the mafia, they are gonna hold you responsible if dude doesn't work out.

Hope it works out for you.

 

[Deezz]

Tell them that your reco may not be impartial, so it's best you don't get involved.

What does "reco" stand for?

 

[MadWun]

What does "reco" stand for?

Recollection...I believe

 

[sharkbait28]

 

[GreedySmurf]

OK here is an interesting problem...

Imagine you have recently made a supervisor at a position you have only recently started...

there is already jealously because you are younger, black and higher educated then your now subordinates

who all happen to be white or immigrants and older...

Your boss texts you this morning and wants you to review a CV he received...

the person worked at your OLD job around the same time and he wants to know if you know him...

You do, actually worked with dude for YEARS...

but you just COOL...

heard he was having a tough time finding work through the grapevine...

he is actually very skilled and talented but tends to be late and lazy.

YOU are torn...

because if hired on your say so...

YOU WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE...

AND he would be working on your shift

You already know homeboy will be stellar for the first 3/4 months and as soon as probation HITS he would be slacking...

If you shit on dude it could come back to bite you cause he is still connected to many in your network...

And you don't want your old co-worker (who yo still deal with) to hear you shit on someone you worked along side...

But if you endorse him he could become YOUR problem and really effect your standing at the new job...

DO YOU GIVE A POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION???​

Send the boss an email stating that it would be a conflict of interest for you to involve yourself in the process since you were on a friendly basis with the candidate at your old job. At that point, he can't come back to you with anything as it would violate HR rules.

 

[batmanobx]

be honest with your friend, if you think they can handle the job, then recomend them, If not don't. You are putting your reputation on the line.

 

[playahaitian]

*cold*

Sounds like he's more acquaintance then friend.

yes.

but worked together for years no phone calls or birthday gifts...

but worked side by side.

our kids were born the same month same year same week..

no beef but no love either...

but dude was FAMOUS for the 2 hr lunch

Send the boss an email stating that it would be a conflict of interest for you to involve yourself in the process since you were on a friendly basis with the candidate at your old job. At that point, he can't come back to you with anything as it would violate HR rules.

i REALLY like this one

 

[playahaitian]

be honest with your friend, if you think they can handle the job, then recomend them, If not don't. You are putting your reputation on the line.

he can do the job but i already know that he bullshit will come...

and if it wasn't on MY shift I wouldn't give the recommendation whole heartedly...

AND I found out that I may get a bonus for the recommendation

 

[dbluesun]

the truth is never a lie,,,i never lie,,you could tell all parties the truth and let the chips fall where they will

 

[playahaitian]

the truth is never a lie,,,

i never lie​

,,you could tell all parties the truth and let the chips fall where they will

I may try to contact him because it sems like he found out I'm a supervisor here now...

 

[TNazT]

Sounds like he's more acquaintance then friend.

If he was a friend you'd personally dress him down about the lazy and late shit but give him a glowing recommendation because he's your boy and wouldn't fuck you over.

If he's an acquaintance I'd still give the recommendation but I'd keep it to a minimum, especially if our past positions were directly tied to each other and if you didn't directly supervise him. I'd still have a talk with him about the late and lazy shit and let him know that if he's gonna be under my supervision he not gonna fuck it up for me by not doing his part.

^^this

 

[Duval404]

Thats the difference between us and crackas. most of yall saying ..Nah..Nope...Dont do it.. Crackas stick together NO MATTER what! I wouldnt give a fuck..If we down we down. How many times yall worked at a gig and wonder how a cracka got in when he didnt know shit or do shit when it gets in. Cracks RARELY go against each other in the work place and they get each other on all the time..

 

[sharkbait28]

*cold*

Just fuckin with you fam. Give him the reccomendation. I would say talk to him personally first... let him know that you're willing to give him a recommendation (given that you know he's capable of the job) but that you expect that he'll tighten up on those areas of concern you've identified.

If he somehow flakes out and gets fired later on for non-performance it's not like anyone is gonna track you down to make sure you feel the repercussion. Especially if this is a non-senior role.

 

[The Pope]

I wouldn't be able to recommend a close friend of mine because I done this before at a previous job and my friend didnt last there 3 months and that not only made me upset but it gave management the notion that I would let personal feelings cloud my judgements on important decisions..but if I knew he was a class person and had a good head on his shoulders I would try to find him a position at another location​

 

[d-weezy]

Late and lazy?

Do you really want that headache? Do you really want your credibility ruined by hooking up some dude?

 

[MadWun]

Thats the difference between us and crackas. most of yall saying ..Nah..Nope...Dont do it.. Crackas stick together NO MATTER what! I wouldnt give a fuck..If we down we down. How many times yall worked at a gig and wonder how a cracka got in when he didnt know shit or do shit when it gets in. Cracks RARELY go against each other in the work place and they get each other on all the time..

I understand what you are saying, but it is hard to risk ones reputation all because you recommended a deadbeat lazy worker

 

[M3MD]

I'm a business owner and after hiring a friend a number of years ago....I would NEVER do it again. I'd rather just let him borrow some money.

Being your friends boss is just to difficult. No way to really separate personal and business.

 

[Count23]

guard your rep at all times

 

[melonpecan]

Tell them that your reco may not be impartial, so it's best you don't get involved.

Send the boss an email stating that it would be a conflict of interest for you to involve yourself in the process since you were on a friendly basis with the candidate at your old job. At that point, he can't come back to you with anything as it would violate HR rules.

I agree with the above.

We got asked to send recommendations for some PT positions to help with the possibility of becoming full time. I knew some people who REALLY needed work (luckily all with no children but at the risk of being homeless) so I put their names in. One didn't go through but the one that did is KIN BY BLOOD.

I knew of this persons work ethic from us working together years ago and of how they talked of their previous job. Always on time, contacted when they got off later than their quoted closing time from the parking lot (I can hear them telling coworkers bye bye on occasion). They wouldn't be where I was so I thought it was a win-win on their part. They can apply for internal jobs and help the family keep the home.

*sigh*
That's where it all kinda went sploofy. They put in contact for jobs with an old customer who offered them a FT job at 14 USD per hour for three days, where they were making about 10 to 12 USD where I am per hour, but they were bumping people up to 40 hr wks. Though still PT. They left...got fired because the person they were replacing decided to stay...smh. Almost six months later someone else from my job recommended this person AGAIN to take the place of another PTimer that left. I'm thinking "Lucky Bastard". Then they move them to my office.



Struggle to make 40 hours.
Lie to take the day off to be with people.
Constant annoying with not wanting to be there : "I don't like sitting. I need a job that let me move. I need benefits. I need to do something with my life. I see myself being here, but I don't. I'm just a part timer, ain't no one looking at me."



OK...they drop everyone to 19 hours. Instead of seemingly putting in apps all I heard was "**** husband work for the DoL and they gonna put in my resume." Now you trying to do your best cause they let three part timers go. And no matter what you say in this traffic it still shouldn't take two hours to get to work.

Da fuck.


I love you but that shit became so fucking annoying. This job was not handed to me, I applied to various jobs at this ONE PLACE for two damn years before I got my shot. And you wonder why you can't get picked up for a FT position. No one has told me but I know why. But I wish you luck on whatever you decide to do later on. But I will never again try to tell you this to your face.


Cause last time I made you mad and I had to hear it from your ex.

 

[Echelon]

guard your rep at all times

Exactly. When you attach your name to something or someone in the professional arena the future, present and past of that/ them becomes a reflection of you. Your professional name is a commodity that you must protect vehemently. I don't care how talented someone is or how I know them, if I can say for myself that they are lazy, I will not be singing their praises. I wouldn't impart negativity, but they'd get no glowing review from me, working under me, FOR me or for someone else.

 

[playahaitian]

I'm a business owner and after hiring a friend a number of years ago....I would NEVER do it again. I'd rather just let him borrow some money.

Being your friends boss is just to difficult. No way to really separate personal and business.

that's another thing...

he would be on my shift and I get enough trouble handling this bitter mofos because they been here for years and I become they BOSS in less then a year...


see our previous spot laid us off tyer foul and I used my connections...

which I didnt even know I had

to get a job in another dept...

I got a salary bump and after my probation period, got another raise and title change and now I oversee some people who trained me last year...

I dont know how long i'm staying but this shit looks real good on the resume...

I just feel like I have enough to handle.

but because everyone kind of KNOWS each other I want to tread lightly cause I dont want to seem disloyal...

 

[sharkbait28]

Is this an essentially an entry level position?

 

[playahaitian]

Is this an essentially an entry level position?

without going into specifics

no skilled technician position...

we talking like 50/55K

dude is older then me with more experience but I was getting paid more even when we were working together...

 

[sharkbait28]

without going into specifics

no skilled technician position...

we talking like 50/55K

dude is older then me with more experience but I was getting paid more even when we were working together...

Ok.... just wanted to get a sense of where this guy would be on an org chart. I don't know man, you know the dynamics/size/particulars of your business best. Meaning, if this guy ends up being a fuck up... how much of an impact would it have? From reading more of your posts in this thread it sounds as though you're really uncomfortable with giving him a recommendation. Ignore my earlier post. If you feel like he's going to be a nightmare employee... don't give a recco.