Our Father’s Not in Heaven:The New Black Atheism

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Several years ago, I pitched a freelance piece about black atheism to a prominent magazine geared toward African-Americans. The pitch was denied, but not for any real reason. "That one might be a bit, uh, hard," is all my editor said. I'd later come to find out that he was merely sheltering me from his ultra-Christian executive editor, who would never let a piece questioning religion run in the magazine.

Black America's religious problem isn't that it's highly religious—most of America is religious—it's that, in my experience, it's highly religious to the point of exclusion, as if black people living their lives without God don't count. Black atheists or agnostics are often looked at by other blacks as alien or pitiable. A black atheist quoted in the New York Times last year said his mother was bothered more by the admission that he is an atheist than the admission that he is gay. Another in the Huffington Post said that declaring she was an atheist to her black friends was "social suicide."

I can understand where they're coming from. In high school, I went on a day-trip to a convocation of Black Students Unions, where we were all asked to bow our heads and pray before lunch. I was shocked. I tipped my head out of politeness, but rather than pray, I just sat there and wondered if what we were doing was legal. A few years later, during my freshman year in college, a black girl asked me what church I was going to attend as if it were as certain as asking me where I planned on eating or breathing. When I told her I wouldn't be going to any church, she wrenched her face away from me, aghast, like I'd vomited onto her lap. "Oh," she responded, "OK." We literally never spoke again.
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I can't remember exactly when the last line of Martin Luther King, Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" address began to bother me, but I think it was sometime around 6th grade. That was the year my history teacher had the class sit through all 14 hours of Eyes on the Prize, memorizing dates and important heroes and the names "Selma" and "Little Rock." Growing up with a black history-buff father, I'd heard the speech many times before. But I'd never pored over it in conjunction with a deep dissection of the Civil Rights movement as a whole. And when I finally did, I just couldn't get over that last line.

"One day, if everyone does get free at last," I asked my dad, "why would we thank God Almighty? Why not thank ourselves for working hard?" My father, who had been raised in the Baptist church and converted to Catholicism for his first marriage before leaving both, is the person who gave me my initial skepticism of religion, so he laughed at my question. "It's because if you believe in a certain kind of god," he answered after a long bit of silence, "you believe that that god provides you with everything. It's like thanking the sun for an ear of corn. You wouldn't be able to get the corn without a farmer or a truck, but before those things, you need the sun."

I always thought that was an elegant description of why some people thank god for even the smallest things, but it never fully sated me. And as I got older and more interested in what my ethnicity meant to me, I grew increasingly troubled by how linked so much of black history—and thus modern black America—is with religion.

To begin with, there are the Reverends King, Ralph Abernathy, Joseph Lowery, Fred Shuttlesworth, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson, not to mention countless others both alive and dead. After escaping from slavery, Frederick Douglass was briefly a preacher in the African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church in New Bedford, Massachusetts. Booker T. Washington taught Sunday school at his Baptist church in West Virginia, and, when he was appointed president of the Tuskegee Institute, he said the school should be sure to impact the "moral and religious life of the people." Harriet Tubman believed the intense dreams she had of salvation and freedom were gifts from God. Even early America's preeminent black scientist, George Washington Carver, put his faith in the Lord, saying that the key to his success was a Bible passage: "In all thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct thy paths.'"

Elsewhere, there is the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. There are the Christian hymns turned folk anthems—"Go Tell It on the Mountain," "This Little Light of Mine," "We Shall Overcome"—that bathed Civil Rights marches in even more Christianity. There is the Black National Anthem, "Lift Every Voice and Sing," which mentions "God" four times compared to the single mention in the "Star-Spangled Banner" (there's no mention of God at all in the abridged version we sing). There is Black liberation theology, a form of worship that seeks to combat racism via Biblical principles and narratives. Black liberation theology became somewhat of a household term in 2008, when Barack Obama's pastor, Jeremiah Wright, was accused of being a radical purveyor of it.

Black religious life has always extended beyond Christianity, of course, to notable Muslims like Malcolm X, Elijah Muhammad, Yusef Lateef, Yasiin Bey (formerly Mos Def), and the many, many black Muslims who aren't famous. There is also an increasing number of African-American Jews, who have had some mild fame at least since Sammy Davis Jr. converted.

It's impossible to criticize the black community for its history of devotion to God. For a long time, black houses of worship doubled as war rooms to plan protest actions and galvanize people made weary by centuries of racist violence and legislation. When many black children attended Sunday school throughout the 19th and early 20th century, they not only received the standard Biblical lessons, they also learned to read and write, skills not necessarily afforded to them, often by law. By the time Dr. King was preaching in churches throughout the South, the strength of the black church was made obvious by how many white supremacists sought to destroy them with explosions and fire—the Klan wasn't bombing black bars or brothels, and there was a reason for that.

Blacks are now the most religious ethnic group in America, with 86 percent saying they're "very" to "moderately" religious compared to just 65 percent of whites. Even blacks who purport to have no involvement with any church, mosque, or synagogue whatsoever are generally unwilling to reject the concept of God entirely, making African-Americans also the least likely to call themselves atheist or agnostic. For us people of color with no devotion to religion whatsoever, a tiny minority within a minority, the internal culture clash can sometimes prove awkward. It's this culture clash that I find so irritating and ugly.

And the job of airing the "black perspective" on cable news is very often given to people like Reverend Jackson or Reverend Sharpton or Roland Martin, who has a master's degree in "Christian Communications" from Louisiana Baptist University, an unaccredited religious institution. I don't care that so many African-American leaders are steeped in deep religious tradition; I care that those are the people called upon to speak for all of black America, and they always have been. Most white Americans are religious, too, and yet MSNBC or CNN would never call on the pastor Joel Osteen to dissect the problems facing all white Americans. The networks would understand, rightly, that Osteen's deep religious conviction makes him an inapt spokesperson for a group of people with diverse beliefs. That those networks don't afford blacks the same respect is telling, and it's a tacit acceptance of the myth that blacks and religion, particularly Christianity, are one and the same.

So that I don't come off as someone content to reject the status quo without offering a solution, I'd like to make a formal nomination: I nominate astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson as the black leader America needs in the 21st Century. Though our numbers remain small, African-Americans willing to out themselves as agnostic or atheist represent a growing category, with one report finding that the percentage of blacks calling themselves nonreligious nearly doubled from 1990 to 2008. To that end, it's important to begin moving away from the near monopoly religious persons have over professional black leadership. This doesn't mean we have to stop listening to Reverends Sharpton and Jackson. Rather, I'd simply like us to start listening to and seeking out the opinions of blacks who eschew religious faith in favor of finding motivation and glory outside the church. I think we'd discover that many of the opinions religious blacks may think of as churchly are actually similar to those held by nonreligious blacks, which would be a lesson in and of itself.

So why Tyson? Not only because he self-identifies as an agnostic and says that there is "no evidence" to support the fact that anyone benevolent created the universe. But also because Tyson, whose Twitter account and YouTube reputation are stuff of internet legend, seems to be possessed of an inquisitiveness from which I believe the entire world could learn.

One of the things that irritates me to no end about black churches is how many of them spread noxious homophobia. Many white churches do the same, of course, but those aren't the ones preaching to communities being ravaged by HIV and AIDS. To be fair, Al Sharpton has come out against the black church's anti-gay nonsense before, yet it still persists, supported by pastors who believe the Bible both condemns homosexuality and trumps whatever any mortal like Sharpton says. That's always the problem with heralding a holy book while attempting to scoff at what people believe that holy book says; it's hard to have it both ways.

Tyson doesn't take his lessons from the Bible. Nor does he take his lessons from the Dawkins Manual on Condescending to Theists. When asked if he's an atheist, Tyson likes to say that the only "ist" he is is a "scientist." I think it's time more blacks followed Tyson's lead and, instead of looking to the Bible for answers, began looking for understanding in the realities and evidence around them. And based on what I've seen of the problems impacting the black community, from poverty to illness to violence to crushing racism, if there is a God up there watching us suffer this way, it's probably time to admit that he's not coming to save us.

What if black Americans woke up this weekend and didn't go to church or Sunday school? What if they instead took that time to enrich themselves in other ways, like talking to their families about their worries and insecurities, or reading books? What if the thousands of black Americans who follow Creflo Dollar, a multimillionaire megachurch pastor in command of mansions and a Rolls Royce, stopped donating their money and time to him, and instead used those resources to improve their own lives? What if they, as Tyson has done, became scientists out to explore their world in new ways? Would they get happier? Would the ones who hate gays finally be able to get over their fears? Would some of them sit at the kitchen table with their mothers and sob because the world seems so confusing and hurtful all the time? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, and perhaps they're the wrong questions to ask. But I do know that improving the black community via the church is an idea that seems to have run its course, and I'd like to move forward.

My paternal grandmother was a sweet woman with a third-grade education who spent her life working as a maid in a wealthy white factory owner's mansion. She was a Christian, and she prayed and said that God had blessed her and me and our family, and I loved her dearly. I now miss the sound of her voice.

One story my father tells about my grandmother is of the time he was standing with her in her kitchen in 1969, talking about the impending moon landing. "I just don't know how they're going to be able to do it," my grandmother said to my dad. "It seems impossible." "You don't understand, mom," my dad, who at this point had been to Vietnam, college, and law school, said. He motioned to the home around them. "The space shuttle is bigger than this entire house!" "I know that," my grandmother said. "So how's something that big going to get around all those teeny, tiny stars?"

My grandmother prayed for me until the day she died. I thank her for that, along with everything else she did for me, but I often wish she'd spent that time learning about the stars instead.


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Good drop. My only issue is that the way you posted it made you look like the author. But if you were, then nice writing.
 
HNIC should make an athiesm vs religion forum. it wouldnt even be a question if folks would use the forum or not :hmm:

That's the problem, there is no atheism vs religion, its atheism vs theism. Being an atheist dosnt mean one is not religious, just that one just not accept the existence of gods. There are religions that are atheistic in nature such as Buddhism and certain Hindu sects. Saying religion must equal theism is just incorrect and where all the misconceptions start. Atheism as a stance is at least as old as theism probably older.
 
u got less than 200 posts and posting nonsense like this? :smh:

not even a swimsuit pic or news story?

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Black atheist are the most confused people in the world. How do they think we got here?

I think the question of why would a father put his kids down here
with all of these evil ass crackas
overrides that question over time.

People ignore all that and the fact he supposedly watched Jesus get his ass beat to death.

and still call him a savior protector.

FOH

All of those theories piss me the fuck off at this point....seriously.
 
I think the question of why would a father put his kids down here
with all of these evil ass crackas
overrides that question over time.

People ignore all that and the fact he supposedly watched Jesus get his ass beat to death.

and still call him a savior protector.

FOH

Ask God and he would reveal to you.

Let's not forget God put us down here with reiki, meditation, the bible, prophecies

We are more then equiped. If you don't protect yourself with what god keeps giving us then how is it his fault?
 
So in other words you want a form that attacks Christianity? Thats all people are going to do anyway.

I would be sad as hell if I only saw things one way in life but they were really the other.
:(

"Inside Every Cynical Person, There's A Disappointed Idealist "

ReZound.
 
Ask God and he would reveal to you.

Let's not forget God put us down here with reiki, meditation, the bible, prophecies

We are more then equiped. If you don't protect yourself with what god keeps giving us then how is it his fault?

im fine

i made a decent bed but.....

what about those helplessly suffering seeking a savior?

Plus imagine how many prayers went in the air on the cold ass trip across the Atlantic.

Not a single fuck was given. :smh:

The concept of provider protector doesnt fit.

You just find yourself making excuses for a supreme being.

When a flesh n blood father on earth is held to strict standards and judged by his performance.

"Daddy aint shit ......thank you Jesus for this food were about to eat and this roof over our heads." :hmm:
 
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Ask God and he would reveal to you.

Let's not forget God put us down here with reiki, meditation, the bible, prophecies

We are more then equiped. If you don't protect yourself with what god keeps giving us then how is it his fault?

how can you believe this?
 
im fine

i made a decent bed but.....

what about those helplessly suffering seeking a savior?

Plus imagine how many prayers went in the air on the cold ass trip across the Atlantic.

Not a single fuck was given. :smh:

The concept of provider protector doesnt fit.

You just find yourself making excuses for a supreme being.

When a real father on earth is held to strict standards and judged by his performance.

Who is to say help was not sent? We are alive breathing. And who is to say they prayed because y'all swear up and down they practiced other religions....who is to say those religions prayed. Prayer requires faith.

Harriet tubman was sent and others.....now the house nigga had been trainned to love his master. So to him that wasn't help. God sent help but he said "help....this is the life". But if you don't have faith harriet tubman will lead you to freedom then your prayer cat be answered because of you.

Nat turner was sent. A lot of people have been sent to help us.


Notice the hatians who were dropped of in hati freed themselves. They turned out to be the smartest slaves. Only time in history had slaves freed themselves. That has to be the work of a higher power...help from God.
 
All i have been seeing r articles about black people now more than i have ever seen... Fuck this shit... As once said before blacks as a people r under attack in this country!!
 
Just an aside, I'm not surprised at the response he got from the black magazine.

These so-called black publications don't move on new shit unless it's approved by mainstream America.

This weeks Ebony has a section dedicated to rappers when years before they wouldn't even touch rap.
 
Black atheist are the most confused people in the world. How do they think we got here?

Man Gave us English, Spanish, Hebrew etc. God gave us math

Man gave us the Bible and Koran etc. God gave us logic.

Mans Bible and Language tells us we where molded from clay or something like that.

Logic and Math tells us we came from a Super Nova.

Relgious people lie, athiest lie, Math is always true.

If yall relgious people belive in god so much why do you reject the tools he gives you. But will die for a man made system.
 
Man Gave us English, Spanish, Hebrew etc. God gave us math

Man gave us the Bible and Koran etc. God gave us logic.

Mans Bible and Language tells us we where molded from clay or something like that.

Logic and Math tells us we came from a Super Nova.

Relgious people lie, athiest lie, Math is always true.

If yall relgious people belive in god so much why do you reject the tools he gives you. But will die for a man made system.

I hope you don't serious think we came from a super nova...

God gave us all of this man divided it and corrpted it. Yet god preserved enough for us to find the truth. Eve the devil must adhere to the laws of the universe. Esp murphys law
 
I hope you don't serious think we came from a super nova...
God gave us all of this man divided it and corrpted it. Yet god preserved enough for us to find the truth. Eve the devil must adhere to the laws of the universe. Esp murphys law

Actually I do unless you can shange my mind by showing me a more logical way that we where created.
 
Where do you think this super nova came from?

How can a super nova draft the laws that govern the universe?

Before I offer a more logical one let me first question how logical this shit is. So I can get a sense of what you accept as logic.
 
Where do you think this super nova came from?
How can a super nova draft the laws that govern the universe?

Before I offer a more logical one let me first question how logical this shit is. So I can get a sense of what you accept as logic.

I belive The super Nova came from a huge star that started to create the heavy elements that we are made of right before it exploded.

Im not saying there is no god. All im saying is the tools that we are born with brings us closer to getting the answer. Relgion can be manipulated,science cant. Many of the words used by the original authors of the bible cant even be translated into English. And it was only written a few thousand years ago. But 1+1=2 is the same today as it was 14 billion years ago when the Big Bang went bang.
 
:lol:

But anywayson a real note Jesus rose from the dead. That is why he was not in his tomb when they looked for him and he started eating honeycomb and fish after he rose from the dead.

thank you son, i really like getting you tithes but imma need you to give a lil bit more
 
So God created the world in six days but it took him hundreds of years to free slaves? Oh what a might God!

Christians make me so sick with their total lack of logic.:mad:

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Who is to say help was not sent? We are alive breathing. And who is to say they prayed because y'all swear up and down they practiced other religions....who is to say those religions prayed. Prayer requires faith.

Harriet tubman was sent and others.....now the house nigga had been trainned to love his master. So to him that wasn't help. God sent help but he said "help....this is the life". But if you don't have faith harriet tubman will lead you to freedom then your prayer cat be answered because of you.

Nat turner was sent. A lot of people have been sent to help us.


Notice the hatians who were dropped of in hati freed themselves. They turned out to be the smartest slaves. Only time in history had slaves freed themselves. That has to be the work of a higher power...help from God.

So God created the world in six days but it took him hundreds of years to free slaves? Oh what a mighty God!

Christians make me so sick with their total lack of logic!:mad:

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