Musings on why some may feel hip-hop (music) sucks right now.

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Music sounds a lot different when you're chillin with your childhood friends at 16 years old, and experimenting with 40s and blunts for the first time, than when you are 36, working a full time and part time job to support your wife, baby momma, and 3 kids. And, the only time you listen to music is when you're sitting in traffic during your morning and evening commutes.

Conditioning

I believe we condition our ears to appreciate certain sounds and that familiarity influences the sounds your ears are drawn to. If you've been raised on nothing but 90's West Coast hip hop music with its Zapp and Roger and P-Funk samples and emcees that rap in a slow conversational style thats easy to follow, you'd probably scratch your head the first time you see cats going crazy over O.C.'s "Time's Up." If you've only been exposed to hip hop with obscure jazz melody and drum samples with super lyrical emcees ripping over them, you may be put off the first time you hear Pimp C rapping in his unapologetically southern drawl over live bass guitars and organs.

Romanticization of Hip-Hop's past

Contrary to what some of my old head comrades would like the younger generation to believe, there was never a time when the most critically acclaimed hip hop was also the music being played on radio and video shows all day long or that was the popular music amongst the general black population during that time. Back then, dope music had to be searched out and passed around and if the buzz got too big you may see a video on Rap City or Yo! MTV Raps. If you listen to your local urban station between the hours of 6am and 6pm for the latest in dope hip hop music, you will be disappointed. Same as you would if you attempted this in 1994. We also didn't only listen to hip hop that required a dictionary to follow. We had our party records and silly shit back then just like we do today. It's not a nigga in here born between 1970 and 1980 that can't still rap the lyrics word for word to "Summertime" or smile when Skee-Lo's "I Wish" comes on.

"Hip-Hop is Dead"

Folks have complained about the state of hip hop since it hit the airwaves for the first time. Some of the most beloved hip hop records are "hip hop is dying" type records conceived and recorded during what is now considered the "golden age" of hip hop music. "Me, Myself, and I" (1989) "I Used to love H.E.R." (1994) "Stakes is High" (1996) etc. If you want to be technical, when art is commercialized, it loses the true essence of what it means to be artistic and is dead in a sense. It's up to you to determine if your music diet consists of mostly raw, nutrient dense foods from sources that you know will provide nothing but the best nutrician or if your diet is mainly processed bullshit from Walmart and McDonalds. But don't get mad at Walmart and McDonalds for doing their jobs. To make money.

Albums are not Movies

Albums are not made to be listened to once or twice then shelved. Sometimes, it's taken me much time and patience with a record/album before I found what a lot of others appreciated about the material. For example, when I was first getting into jazz, I kept seeing John Coltrane's "A Love Supreme" given ultimate respect in everything that I read. I finally sat down with the album one night while sippin on something and that shit sounded like the worst thing my ears had ever heard. Literally. In my mind I thought, I don't know what the fuck the musicians are listening to, but they damn sure aren't listening to each other. However, I've always been the type to say "if all these people love this song/album, it must be something I'm missing." I'm humble like that. So, I ended up sitting down with the record sporadically for the next 2 years or so. Listened in the car, on headphones while going to sleep, while working out, cleaning, fucking, everything. During this time, I also was listening to all kinds of jazz and fell in love with Cannonball Adderley, Charles Mingus, Ahmad Jamal, and a lot of Coltrane's pre-free jazz period stuff. The album began to slowly make sense. Then, one afternoon I put the album on while lounging around the crib. That chambered symbol splash came from the speakers like a thick fog then Trane's horn stabbed thru the cloud like a piercing light. The whole room instantly felt warm and familiar. I sat back and got the best 33 minutes of music I'd ever heard.


Just a little something to try and help out fam who are stuggling with hip hop music right now. If you are real with yourself and recognize that some of these things affect your musical experience, try turning them off and listening to new music with open ears. Also try stepping all the way out of your comfort zone and listen to a genre of music that you've never listened to. Try getting into certain artists, their stories and everything. Just like you do hip hop music. You may be pleasantly surprised. :yes:

Feel free to add on or disagree. :cool:
 
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Re: Musings on why some may think hip-hop (music) sucks right now.

It's not a nigga in here born between 1970 and 1980 that can't still rap the lyrics word for word to "Summertime" or smile when Ski-Lo's "I Wish" comes on.

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I find myself falling further & further behind trying to keep up with all these new cats who all sounds the same.


I wouldn't say I'm falling out of love with hip hop...But I'm growing up and can't rock with a lot of stuff out now.

 


I find myself falling further & further behind trying to keep up with all these new cats who all sounds the same.

Why are you keeping up with every rapper that comes out. You don't have to search for the latest and greatest every single day. Find the shit that you like and let that shit marinate. As more shit comes out that you like add it to the rotation and keep it moving. You won't like everything released.
 
Re: Musings on why some may think hip-hop (music) sucks right now.

It's not a nigga in here born between 1970 and 1980 that can't still rap the lyrics word for word to "Summertime" or smile when Ski-Lo's "I Wish" comes on.

:lol::yes:

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What the OP said is really true...fast forward, I'm into smooth jazz now, something I used make fun of my old man when I was a teenager. :hmm:
 
theres good music coming out on a regular basis. we are just looking n the wrongplaces.

we are looking at mixtapes, mtv, vh1, bet, radio and shit when commercial hiphop has basically been compromised. its done for the most part.

but i feel like i get put on to a new artist every month or so who is putting out good music. but we all have music A.D.D and if that artist doesnt have a buzz or they arent getting a major push then we forget about them and keep it moving instead of staying on top of what they are doing and continuing to support them. we're lazy and used to being spoonfed...
 
Nostalgia

Music sounds a lot different when you're chillin with your childhood friends when you are 16 and experimenting with 40s and blunts for the first time, than when you are 36, working a full time and part time job to support your wife, baby momma, and 3 kids, and the only time you listen to music is when you're sitting in traffic during your morning and evening commutes.

Conditioning

I believe we condition our ears to appreciate certain sounds and that familiarity influences the sounds your ears are drawn to. If you've been raised on nothing but 90's West Coast hip hop music with its Zapp and Roger and P-Funk samples and emcees that rap in a slow conversational style thats easy to follow, you'd probably scratch your head the first time you see cats going crazy over O.C.'s "Time's Up." If you've only been exposed to hip hop with obscure jazz melody and drum samples with super lyrical emcees ripping over them, you may be put off the first time you hear Pimp C rapping in his unapologetically southern drawl over live bass guitars and organs.

Romanticization of Hip-Hop's past

Contrary to what some of my old head comrades would like the younger generation to believe, there was never a time when the most critically acclaimed hip hop was also the music being played on radio and video shows all day long or that was the popular music amongst the general black population during that time. Back then, dope music had to be searched out and passed around and if the buzz got too big you may see a video on Rap City or Yo! MTV Raps. If you listen to your local urban station between the hours of 6am and 6pm for the latest in dope hip hop music, you will be disappointed. Same as you would if you attempted this in 1994. We also didn't only listen to hip hop that required a dictionary to follow. We had our party records and silly shit back then just like we do today. It's not a nigga in here born between 1970 and 1980 that can't still rap the lyrics word for word to "Summertime" or smile when Skee-Lo's "I Wish" comes on.

"Hip-Hop is Dead"

Folks have complained about the state of hip hop since it hit the airwaves for the first time. Some of the most beloved hip hop records are "hip hop is dying" type records conceived and recorded during what is now considered the "golden age" of hip hop music. "Me, Myself, and I" (1989) "I Used to love H.E.R." (1994) "Stakes is High" (1996) etc. If you want to be technical, when art is commercialized, it loses the true essence of what it means to be artistic and is dead in a sense. It's up to you to determine if your music diet consists of mostly raw, nutrient dense foods from sources that you know will provide nothing but the best nutrician or if your diet is mainly processed bullshit from Walmart and McDonalds. But don't get mad at Walmart and McDonalds for doing their jobs. To make money.


Just a little something to try and help out fam who are stuggling with hip hop music right now. If you are real with yourself and recognize that some of these things affect your musical experience, try turning them off and listening to new music with open ears. Also try stepping all the way out of your comfort zone and listen to a genre of music that you've never listened to. Try getting into certain artists, their stories and everything. Just like you do hip hop music. You may be pleasantly surprised. :yes:

Feel free to add on or disagree. :cool:

The facts are that back in the days you would have De La Soul, Das Efx, Onyx, Mobb Deep, or A Tribe Called Quest on the radio and those are lyrical cats. Nowadays you don't get that kind of balance on the radio which is the problem. Rap has no balance because everyone wants to get on the radio and the radio usually only plays murder and drug rap or hoes and money rap.
 
The homey 213 sparked another one...

Albums are not Movies

Albums are not made to be listened to once or twice then shelved. Sometimes, it's taken me much time and patience with a record/album before I found what a lot of others appreciated about the material. For example, when I was first getting into jazz, I kept seeing John Coltrane's "A Love Supreme" given ultimate respect in everything that I read. I finally sat down with the album one night while sippin on something and that shit sounded like the worst thing my ears had ever heard. Literally. I didn't know what the fuck the musicians were listening to, but they damn sure weren't listening to each other. However, I've always been the type to say "if all these people love this song/album, it must be something I'm missing." I'm humble like that. So, I ended up sitting down with the record sporadically for the next 2 years or so. Listen in the car, on headphones while going to sleep, while working out, cleaning, fucking, everything. During this time, I also was listening to all kinds of jazz and fell in love with Cannonball Adderley, Charles Mingus, Ahmad Jamal, and a lot of Coltrane's pre-free jazz period. The album began to slowly make sense. Then, one afternoon I put the album on while lounging around the crib. That chambered symbol splash came from the speakers like a thick fog then Trane's horn stabbed thru the cloud like a piercing light. The whole room instantly felt warm and familiar. I sat back and got the best 33 minutes of music I'd ever heard. :yes:

Not saying every album will affect you like that, but that experience reinforced my patience with music and allowed me to seek out and find all kinds of other shit that I thought I'd never listen to or get. :cool:
 
theres good music coming out on a regular basis. we are just looking n the wrongplaces.

we are looking at mixtapes, mtv, vh1, bet, radio and shit when commercial hiphop has basically been compromised. its done for the most part.

but i feel like i get put on to a new artist every month or so who is putting out good music. but we all have music A.D.D and if that artist doesnt have a buzz or they arent getting a major push then we forget about them and keep it moving instead of staying on top of what they are doing and continuing to support them. we're lazy and used to being spoonfed...

I co-sign this 100%
 
The facts are that back in the days you would have De La Soul, Das Efx, Onyx, Mobb Deep, or A Tribe Called Quest on the radio and those are lyrical cats. Nowadays you don't get that kind of balance on the radio which is the problem. Rap has no balance because everyone wants to get on the radio and the radio usually only plays murder and drug rap or hoes and money rap.

If you lived in NY, then I guess you guys heard those artists during regular hours. Here in VA, and I'm quite sure most of the rest of the country, those artists were played after 8pm on the 8 at 8 request countdowns and late night mix shows. During the day we got a steady dose of Old School and New School R&B with a splash of popular hip hop.
 
for exaample...somebody posted a new artist from brooklyn a few weeks ago. kid was nice. his music was cool, upbeat and positive. a counter to all this bullshit out here. i donwloaded the mixtape but cant find it cuz i dont know his name.

i cant even remember who posted it:smh:. that makes no sense at all. maybe its just me but i think for someone who is so into music i treat it like its disposable.

i should alearned my lesson in the 90's when it felt like hip hop was just gonna get better every year forever... then... shit came to a grinding halt.
 
That singing style has the game all fucked up right now ala Cash Out, Future(Future cool with me), Travis Porter, Roscoe Dash. I hate that style of music basically.
 
That singing style has the game all fucked up right now ala Cash Out, Future(Future cool with me), Travis Porter, Roscoe Dash. I hate that style of music basically.

Didn't drake start that?

And I agree there's too much R&B in hip hop. These niggas are singing to hoes instead of spitting heat.

I mean 1 or 2 songs per album okay. But not the whole damn joint.
 
for exaample...somebody posted a new artist from brooklyn a few weeks ago. kid was nice. his music was cool, upbeat and positive. a counter to all this bullshit out here. i donwloaded the mixtape but cant find it cuz i dont know his name.

i cant even remember who posted it:smh:. that makes no sense at all. maybe its just me but i think for someone who is so into music i treat it like its disposable.

i should alearned my lesson in the 90's when it felt like hip hop was just gonna get better every year forever... then... shit came to a grinding halt.

You talking about this cat?

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That singing style has the game all fucked up right now ala Cash Out, Future(Future cool with me), Travis Porter, Roscoe Dash. I hate that style of music basically.

So listen to something else. Why focus on it or even think about it at all if you really don't fuck with it? It's not the only type of music being made. Somebody likes it. Let them enjoy it.
 
So listen to something else. Why focus on it or even think about it at all if you really don't fuck with it? It's not the only type of music being made. Somebody likes it. Let them enjoy it.
they can enjoy whatever they like. its a discussion forum, i'm finna discuss :hmm:
 
theres good music coming out on a regular basis. we are just looking n the wrongplaces.

we are looking at mixtapes, mtv, vh1, bet, radio and shit when commercial hiphop has basically been compromised. its done for the most part.

but i feel like i get put on to a new artist every month or so who is putting out good music. but we all have music A.D.D and if that artist doesnt have a buzz or they arent getting a major push then we forget about them and keep it moving instead of staying on top of what they are doing and continuing to support them. we're lazy and used to being spoonfed...

you saved me a lot of trouble by typing this. look in the right place and you will find some good refreshing hip-hop. i find a new artist almost everytime I go on turntable.fm.

found out about this cat the other day

 
:smh:perfect example. cat is nice. on point mixtape.

1 month later. dont remember his name. on to the next. thats some bullshit. if anything thats the main reason why hiphop sucks now. we have so much access to 24/7 unlimited free music that we devalue it... i think.

:yes:

Hip hop isn't dead, the hip hop fan is. I've been saying that for a minute. Everyone's a critic now and would rather spend time constantly looking for new music to critique instead of appreciating the good music that's being made and ignoring the music they don't like.

Today, it's much easier with technology being the way that it is. With the easily accessible digital music, all sorts of at home and portable media players, youtube, blogs, podcasts, etc. you can easily create your own musical universe of shit that you and only you like. You don't have to wait for a song to get played on the radio, you don't have to pay for an album or go to your man's crib to dub a copy off his tape, and you don't have to wait for Mr. Magic, Red Alert, Angie Martinez, Funk Flex, Stretch & Bobbito, The Budda Brothers, Ralph McDaniel, Ed Lover, Joe Clair, or The Box to debut your favorite artist's song/video or schedule an interview with them.
 
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you saved me a lot of trouble by typing this. look in the right place and you will find some good refreshing hip-hop. i find a new artist almost everytime I go on turntable.fm.

found out about this cat the other day



That shit was dope. Thanks for this fam. About to do some more research right now. :yes:
 
Nostalgia

Music sounds a lot different when you're chillin with your childhood friends when you are 16 and experimenting with 40s and blunts for the first time, than when you are 36, working a full time and part time job to support your wife, baby momma, and 3 kids. And, the only time you listen to music is when you're sitting in traffic during your morning and evening commutes.

This is why Blueprint holds such a special place in my heart.

When I was sixteen and my entire life was getting high with my ni99as, fucking with the bitches and writing raps in my notebook, that CD was the soundtrack.

 
This is why Blueprint holds such a special place in my heart.

When I was sixteen and my entire life was getting high with my ni99as, fucking with the bitches and writing raps in my notebook, that CD was the soundtrack.


:yes: :cool:
 
For me I don't have the time to try a weed thru all the music out there.

And Tuck, that Killer Mike is on some album of the year shit bruh:yes:
 
For me I don't have the time to try a weed thru all the music out there.

And Tuck, that Killer Mike is on some album of the year shit bruh:yes:

That's cool. Let cats like me that live to do that shit bring the good shit to you and allow you to decide amongst that what you want to keep and throw back. :cool:

And yes! That Killer Mike/El-P continues to get better and better with each listen. They created some monumental shit with that one. :yes:

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=665952

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What the OP said is really true...fast forward, I'm into smooth jazz now, something I used make fun of my old man when I was a teenager. :hmm:

I don't know how I missed this. I'm gonna keep it funky with you. I have one rule in music. If I ever start listening to smooth jazz, ..... it's time to gone head and .... :suicide:



:lol::lol: :cool:
 
The facts are that back in the days you would have De La Soul, Das Efx, Onyx, Mobb Deep, or A Tribe Called Quest on the radio and those are lyrical cats. Nowadays you don't get that kind of balance on the radio which is the problem. Rap has no balance because everyone wants to get on the radio and the radio usually only plays murder and drug rap or hoes and money rap.

I need to go through the rest of this thread but I wholeheartedly agree with every word of this. There are acts today that are comparable to the above but we don't hear them on the radio. Whether we like it or not, radio is mostly what feeds music to the masses. The internet is too vast for there to be one site or a set of that feature new musics best - it just can't be done. But radio...it's local, it's national (in it's catalog I mean), it caters to the people listening, and has the ability to put more diversity in its artists when it broadcasts.

But we don't get that. All we get is what is deemed 'commercial, acceptable, buyable'. And it wasn't always that way. I'll never forget, Frank Ski Morning Show : one of the producers came on (and I don't for the life of me remember why) but the tone of his voice which basically said that they play what they have to, not what they want to. Makes me think that a lot of people even in radio don't care for the shit out there.
 
Sorry but the truth is the way the game is now is different. Its fucked up. All the beats sound the same. You have new york and up north cats rapping over lex luger beats. Then you have all these simple clone trash beats like rack city. There are no ill sampled beats on the radio anymore, nothing that sounds regional or different its a hodge podge of similar garbage with wack ass meaningless lyrics. Tyga is trash, he just says words no meaning behind them. Rappers now are alldoing lazy wack shit like, "i get high, space ship" or "Take a drag, ru paul" lazy nursery rhyme garbage. Music just sucks now, and it has very little to do with growing older, in fact it has everything to do with the microwave radio hit obsession. No time taken to create a good product that can be played for years. You cant even remember the trash that ws played on the radio this time last year. Fuck the industry and radio.
 
Da artists being outta touch w/fans is another reason. I for one can't relate to niggas pushin' Lambo's (or other exotic whips) off da muscle upon first getting on. Da sense of struggle or "hunger" isn't there anymore. Damn near everybody following da same format, hoes, clothes, drugs & cars. I don't know too many listeners who wanna constantly hear how broke they are & how rich whoever they're listening to is. And da feeble minded & impressionable eats it all up too. Whatever is da hottest __________ of da moment being mentioned folks try to mimic or adapt in their day to day lives including some of da so called "grown men" of this board. Lack of variety. Da loss of creativity is definitely another one as well. A plethora of reasons. A lot of this shit is real cliche like nowadays. Stop lookin' towards radio, BET/MTV, etc. and good music can be found.
 
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