Great fight from both Mayweather and Cotto

[tp2001]

It is amazing to me how styles could make a great fight...Cotto brought it to Mayweather even when it looked like Floyd was going to run away with the fight early with those right hands...Miguel came in and worked the body a little and hit him flush enough upstairs to give him a bloody nose. I thought that I would see the Cotto that wore down in the later rounds like in a few of his previous fights (Marg, Mosley, and Pac specifically) but not this time...he was game all the way through...

Even so, this fight was not much in doubt as whatever Cotto did was answered. Man I should've known Cotto would make this a great fight

 

[Upgrade Dave]

It is amazing to me how styles could make a great fight...Cotto brought it to Mayweather even when it looked like Floyd was going to run away with the fight early with those right hands...Miguel came in and worked the body a little and hit him flush enough upstairs to give him a bloody nose. I thought that I would see the Cotto that wore down in the later rounds like in a few of his previous fights (Marg, Mosley, and Pac specifically) but not this time...he was game all the way through...

Even so, this fight was not much in doubt as whatever Cotto did was answered. Man I should've known Cotto would make this a great fight

I was telling people Cotto wasn't going to be a punk. But Floyd showed his power by rocking Cotto and we know Floyd doesn't have anything in his hands but knuckles and tape.

 

[Firefox]

I was telling people Cotto wasn't going to be a punk. But Floyd showed his power by rocking Cotto and we know Floyd doesn't have anything in his hands but knuckles and tape.

Me too. Everybody was on some "Floyd's make easy work of him." It was a good competitve fight from both guys. But of course Money rose to the occasion and closed out the fight strong.

 

[Zeferino]

Me too. Everybody was on some "Floyd's make easy work of him." It was a good competitve fight from both guys. But of course Money rose to the occasion and closed out the fight strong.

Yeah, some people were actually comparing Cotto to Arturo Gatti and saying Mayweather would dominate the same way. Those people are mostly not fans of boxing, they're fans of Mayweather. As a fan of boxing, I knew that Cotto was no Gatti and would bring the technical skills to at least make it difficult whether he won or lost.

 

[Aud21946]

I bought the fight and was impressed by Cotto. He fought well. But Money was Money. He is on the Mount Rushmore of Great Boxers.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Me too. Everybody was on some "Floyd's make easy work of him." It was a good competitve fight from both guys. But of course Money rose to the occasion and closed out the fight strong.

Yeah, he did better than expected but it still wasn't close by even a little bit.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Yeah, some people were actually comparing Cotto to Arturo Gatti and saying Mayweather would dominate the same way. Those people are mostly not fans of boxing, they're fans of Mayweather. As a fan of boxing, I knew that Cotto was no Gatti and would bring the technical skills to at least make it difficult whether he won or lost.

... Cotto looked more like Hatton/Ortiz than Gatti, but he was able to finish the fight and actually touched Mayweather with clean shots. It was still a pretty dominating performance though... Cotto maybe won three rounds so I don't know what you consider difficult. People are making comparisons to the first Castillo fight, but that is overreaching.

Oh and Floyd let Cotto live in the 12th. He could have taken him out imo and we would be making Gatti comparisons with how it ended.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I bought the fight and was impressed by Cotto. He fought well. But Money was Money. He is on the Mount Rushmore of Great Boxers.

I haven't put him there yet. He's going to need Pacquiao and probably Martinez for that. But he did up his stock even further with this great win over a game opponent.

... Cotto looked more like Hatton/Ortiz than Gatti, but he was able to finish the fight and actually touch Mayweather with clean shots. It was still a pretty dominating performance though... Cotto maybe won three rounds so I don't know what you consider difficult. People are making comparisons to the first Castillo fight, but that is overreaching.

Oh and Floyd let Cotto live in the 12th. He could have taken him out imo.

I think he could have too but, like with Mosley and JMM, he chose to not take the risk. Cotto was still fighting in the 12th and why risk losing on a fluke shot when you know you have it in the bag.

 

[Alaskanredman]

I think he could have too but, like with Mosley and JMM, he chose to not take the risk. Cotto was still fighting in the 12th and why risk losing on a fluke shot when you know you have it in the bag.

Mosley and JMM didn't lose it like Cotto did for those split seconds. Floyd had him out of it and it looked like Cotto wouldn't have had anything else to do but take it. Floyd let him get his head together and they just cruised out of the fight.

 

[P03t]

fight was better than I thought ...I gave Cotto 2 rds but he ended up winning 4 Rds IMO

Mayweather made that fight exciting...Cotto pushed the pace if Mayweather would have stayed in the center of the ring Fight would have not been as close...

& Mayweather really showed his offensive ability they were a few times I felt if he put his punches together & kept attacking he would have at least drop Cotto....

Canelo still looks impressive that power & speed will be difficult for any JM to handle...

Mosley time to retire...

Mayweather its either Sergio or Pac no one else is even close to his class right now

 

[Upgrade Dave]

fight was better than I thought ...I gave Cotto 2 rds but he ended up winning 4 Rds IMO

Mayweather made that fight exciting...Cotto pushed the pace if Mayweather would have stayed in the center of the ring Fight would have not been as close...

& Mayweather really showed his offensive ability they were a few times I felt if he put his punches together & kept attacking he would have at least drop Cotto....

Canelo still looks impressive that power & speed will be difficult for any JM to handle...

Mosley time to retire...

Mayweather its either Sergio or Pac no one else is even close to his class right now

I think Floyd might have surprised with how strong he was. It became clear that Cotto wanted to push him in the corners where he was having some success (he was gettting killed in the center of the ring) but in the later rounds, Floyd was not only holding his ground at times but would even roll Miguel into the corner.

 

[Zeferino]

... Cotto looked more like Hatton/Ortiz than Gatti, but he was able to finish the fight and actually touched Mayweather with clean shots. It was still a pretty dominating performance though... Cotto maybe won three rounds so I don't know what you consider difficult. People are making comparisons to the first Castillo fight, but that is overreaching.

Oh and Floyd let Cotto live in the 12th. He could have taken him out imo and we would be making Gatti comparisons with how it ended.

Wow. And after that, you still have the audacity to compare what Floyd did to Gatti to his performance against Cotto. I thought Cotto won 4 to 5 rounds and that's a lot in a 12 round fight where you only need 6 rounds to tie. Cotto looked more like Hatton/Ortiz than Gatti? All I have to say is "wow". Either you're exagerrating or your boxing eyes are purely on fan level and not technical level. Hatton, Ortiz, and Gatti did not display even 10% of the skill and discipline in the ring that Cotto did on Saturday night. Cotto even had Mayweather thinking twice on several occasions and was able to even set Mayweather up a couple of times. I was very impressed with Mayweather's defense because he fought a very good Cotto who is also an intelligent fighter. According to statistics, Cotto landed more on Mayweather than anyone else. That's what happens when you fight real guys.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Cotto made a great showing, but not to make excuses but it seemed Floyd was a bit distracted... He is definitely one of if not the most elite defensive fighters I've ever seen, and that includes Whitaker...

Also, he never waste energy or punches, a real fighting machine...

That being said, I think the reality of being in his mid 30s kind of began to show ever so slightly last night. Even though it was a competitive fight, he won it clearly. However, some of those punches he was getting caught with, and no one is willing to admit it but he was stung by a few of them, he NEVER would have been touched with... but when your reflexes slow, even a fraction of a second, that millimeter you give away is the difference from a close punch slippage and a connect, and I saw that a couple of times last night.

He needs to get at Manny right now, because the one thing Cotto did, he came straight at Floyd, which with Floyd eyes, he sees shit before it's even thrown it seems, but with Manny, the with angles he gives, he wont be right in front of Floyd all the time. Martinez, I would stay very far away from him because he is just as fast, mad unorthodox, bigger, and hits harder... I would finish with Manny or a Canelo (not going to happen though because he's not Floyd ready), and retire...

Great fight and a great win though, actually for both fighters!!!

 

[P03t]

I think Floyd might have surprised with how strong he was. It became clear that Cotto wanted to push him in the corners where he was having some success (he was gettting killed in the center of the ring) but in the later rounds, Floyd was not only holding his ground at times but would even roll Miguel into the corner.

I didn't get that tho...they were times he just stayed there in the corner...we all know Mayweather has that quick step to get out of the corner but he stayed in there....I was surprised

Cotto jab was working too but like DLH just stop using it ...only thing I ever seen work effectively against Mayweather a good jab...

Cotto was using anything possible to get that fight into the corner that was his only chance...& May's power was impressive like I said if he would have continued to put his punches together he would have eventually sit Cotto down...

he doesn't rely on his power to win fights but we can clearly see he can still rock his opponent...

 

[Zeferino]

Cotto made a great showing, but not to make excuses but it seemed Floyd was a bit distracted... He is definitely one of if not the most elite defensive fighters I've ever seen, and that includes Whitaker...

Also, he never waste energy or punches, a real fighting machine...

That being said, I think the reality of being in his mid 30s kind of began to show ever so slightly last night. Even though it was a competitive fight, he won it clearly. However, some of those punches he was getting caught with, and no one is willing to admit it but he was stung by a few of them, he NEVER would have been touched with... but when your reflexes slow, even a fraction of a second, that millimeter you give away is the difference from a close punch slippage and a connect, and I saw that a couple of times last night.

He needs to get at Manny right now, because the one thing Cotto did, he came straight at Floyd, which with Floyd eyes, he sees shit before it's even thrown it seems, but with Manny, the with angles he gives, he wont be right in front of Floyd all the time. Martinez, I would stay very far away from him because he is just as fast, mad unorthodox, bigger, and hits harder... I would finish with Manny or a Canelo (not going to happen though because he's not Floyd ready), and retire...

Great fight and a great win though, actually for both fighters!!!

I think Floyd is smart enough to see this. Think about it, if you as just a fan can see it, Floyd saw it lonnnggg time ago. Only the fans believe this "easy work" stuf. Floyd knows that Pacquiao is no easy fight and that's why he talks about his health and all this other shit. As you mentioned, Floyd is 35 and I think he knows he's on his way out. That's probably why he's trying to turn into a nice guy kind of like he was at the beginning of his career. Nobody likes to be hated.

 

[Zeferino]

I didn't get that tho...they were times he just stayed there in the corner...we all know Mayweather has that quick step to get out of the corner but he stayed in there....I was surprised

Cotto jab was working too but like DLH just stop using it ...only thing I ever seen work effectively against Mayweather a good jab...

Cotto was using anything possible to get that fight into the corner that was his only chance...& May's power was impressive like I said if he would have continued to put his punches together he would have eventually sit Cotto down...

he doesn't rely on his power to win fights but we can clearly see he can still rock his opponent...

I have always believed Floyd has nearly just as much power as Pacquiao but he uses it differently. Pacquiao is not some superhuman with special roid influenced powers. Pacquiao just puts his power to use by getting in that ass. If Floyd would have walked Miguel down like Pacquiao did and basically turned his offense on more, yes he would have gotten hit more but he probably would have stopped Miguel just like Pacquiao did or even quicker. By the same token, if Pacquiao were to fight like Mayweather and throw his punches more sparingly, he would look a lot less devastating and people would not be thinking he is superhuman.

 

[P03t]

I have always believed Floyd has nearly just as much power as Pacquiao but he uses it differently. Pacquiao is not some superhuman with special roid influenced powers. Pacquiao just puts his power to use by getting in that ass. If Floyd would have walked Miguel down like Pacquiao did and basically turned his offense on more, yes he would have gotten hit more but he probably would have stopped Miguel just like Pacquiao did or even quicker. By the same token, if Pacquiao were to fight like Mayweather and throw his punches more sparingly, he would look a lot less devastating and people would not be thinking he is superhuman.

if anything the one thing I love about Pac is how he throws punches in bunches I mean dude throws 6-7 punch combos!

from all angles that shit is impressive which is why Pac fights are always filled with action...

I agree Pac uses his power much more differently than Floyd...& he tends to fight is bursts no one can keep up that pace throughout a fight not even Pac...if Floyd would have taken Pac's approach I definitely see Cotto getting stop

 

[Alaskanredman]

Wow. And after that, you still have the audacity to compare what Floyd did to Gatti to his performance against Cotto. I thought Cotto won 4 to 5 rounds and that's a lot in a 12 round fight where you only need 6 rounds to tie. Cotto looked more like Hatton/Ortiz than Gatti? All I have to say is "wow". Either you're exagerrating or your boxing eyes are purely on fan level and not technical level. Hatton, Ortiz, and Gatti did not display even 10% of the skill and discipline in the ring that Cotto did on Saturday night. Cotto even had Mayweather thinking twice on several occasions and was able to even set Mayweather up a couple of times. I was very impressed with Mayweather's defense because he fought a very good Cotto who is also an intelligent fighter. According to statistics, Cotto landed more on Mayweather than anyone else. That's what happens when you fight real guys.

What rounds did you give to Cotto? I could only see 2 rounds and I was being nice by saying 3.

Cotto touched Mayweather the most because Floyd fought differently. You have never seen Floyd stay against the ropes like that. He would actively go to the ropes and fight Cotto from the ropes. He was also very combination minded which left him more open than usual for counters.

Only wrinkle that Cotto added was good defense which caused Floyd to do more on offense without results. If Floyd fought his usual fight he probably would have shut dude out.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Wow. And after that, you still have the audacity to compare what Floyd did to Gatti to his performance against Cotto. I thought Cotto won 4 to 5 rounds and that's a lot in a 12 round fight where you only need 6 rounds to tie. Cotto looked more like Hatton/Ortiz than Gatti? All I have to say is "wow". Either you're exagerrating or your boxing eyes are purely on fan level and not technical level. Hatton, Ortiz, and Gatti did not display even 10% of the skill and discipline in the ring that Cotto did on Saturday night. Cotto even had Mayweather thinking twice on several occasions and was able to even set Mayweather up a couple of times. I was very impressed with Mayweather's defense because he fought a very good Cotto who is also an intelligent fighter. According to statistics, Cotto landed more on Mayweather than anyone else. That's what happens when you fight real guys.

I was with you until the end. Everyone he's fought since becoming an elite fighter has been a "real guy", some were just better than others.

Cotto made a great showing, but not to make excuses but it seemed Floyd was a bit distracted... He is definitely one of if not the most elite defensive fighters I've ever seen, and that includes Whitaker...

Also, he never waste energy or punches, a real fighting machine...

That being said, I think the reality of being in his mid 30s kind of began to show ever so slightly last night. Even though it was a competitive fight, he won it clearly. However, some of those punches he was getting caught with, and no one is willing to admit it but he was stung by a few of them, he NEVER would have been touched with... but when your reflexes slow, even a fraction of a second, that millimeter you give away is the difference from a close punch slippage and a connect, and I saw that a couple of times last night.

He needs to get at Manny right now, because the one thing Cotto did, he came straight at Floyd, which with Floyd eyes, he sees shit before it's even thrown it seems, but with Manny, the with angles he gives, he wont be right in front of Floyd all the time. Martinez, I would stay very far away from him because he is just as fast, mad unorthodox, bigger, and hits harder... I would finish with Manny or a Canelo (not going to happen though because he's not Floyd ready), and retire...

Great fight and a great win though, actually for both fighters!!!

Having seen how Manny fought JMM three times, all this movement and shit people talk about wouldn't be that much of a difference. Marquez is even older than Floyd and far more battle worn and he still gave Manny a life and death battle. I would never say Manny would be "easy work" for Floyd, I do think that's disrespectful to guys who are actually putting their safety on the line, but the Cotto fight will be tougher than a potential Pacquiao fight.

if anything the one thing I love about Pac is how he throws punches in bunches I mean dude throws 6-7 punch combos!

from all angles that shit is impressive which is why Pac fights are always filled with action...

I agree Pac uses his power much more differently than Floyd...& he tends to fight is bursts no one can keep up that pace throughout a fight not even Pac...if Floyd would have taken Pac's approach I definitely see Cotto getting stop

He throws a lot of punches but it's often like Carmelo Anthony's "Put his hands in your face" defense: it's flashy but doesn't mean shit. Outside Cotto and JMM, Manny's had some dull ass fights in the last few years.

One other thing
Floyd and Manny were fighting two different Miguel Cottos: Manny fought him after the savaging by Hands of Stone and a tough fight with Clottey and at a catchweight while Floyd fought when he was years away from a hard fight and at his full weight. There were no shenanigans going into last night's fight. If people to give Manny more credit for beating JMM than they do Floyd for the same thing (for various reasons), that logic applies to Cotto.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

What rounds did you give to Cotto? I could only see 2 rounds and I was being nice by saying 3.

Cotto touched Mayweather the most because Floyd fought differently. You have never seen Floyd stay against the ropes like that. He would actively go to the ropes and fight Cotto from the ropes. He was also very combination minded which left him more open than usual for counters.

Only wrinkle that Cotto added was good defense which caused Floyd to do more on offense without results. If Floyd fought his usual fight he probably would have shut dude out.

And it would have been dull as fuck.

 

[Zeferino]

I was with you until the end. Everyone he's fought since becoming an elite fighter has been a "real guy", some were just better than others.

Well, maybe real but just under dubious circumstances in some cases. For example: A lightweight JMM at welterweight and didn't even honor the weight clause. A junior welterweight Hatton at welterweight. An ancient Mosley.

Having seen how Manny fought JMM three times, all this movement and shit people talk about wouldn't be that much of a difference. Marquez is even older than Floyd and far more battle worn and he still gave Manny a life and death battle. I would never say Manny would be "easy work" for Floyd, I do think that's disrespectful to guys who are actually putting their safety on the line, but the Cotto fight will be tougher than a potential Pacquiao fight.




He throws a lot of punches but it's often like Carmelo Anthony's "Put his hands in your face" defense: it's flashy but doesn't mean shit. Outside Cotto and JMM, Manny's had some dull ass fights in the last few years.

One other thing
Floyd and Manny were fighting two different Miguel Cottos: Manny fought him after the savaging by Hands of Stone and a tough fight with Clottey and at a catchweight while Floyd fought when he was years away from a hard fight and at his full weight. There were no shenanigans going into last night's fight. If people to give Manny more credit for beating JMM than they do Floyd for the same thing (for various reasons), that logic applies to Cotto.

I don't agree that Cotto was hampered by coming in at 145 against Pacquiao when he was used to coming in at 146 as he did for most of his welterweight fights. I don't think there is a single case in boxing history where a guy is weight drained from coming in ONE pound less than he usually does. That being said, I do agree that Mayweather fought a better Cotto than Pacquiao did because of the other things you said.

 

[Alaskanredman]

And it would have been dull as fuck.

Probably, but I think people are over-reaching with how Cotto performed. He bloodied Floyd's nose, and landed some clean jabs, did some good body work and had good defense... but that resulted in winning a couple of rounds, getting himself hit with the meaner shots, a face resembling some of his worst beatings and almost getting knocked out. I think it is being over blown a bit... put this same performance against another motherfucker and people would love the fight, but no one would be acting like Cotto did something that was good or great. The bar was so low on his expectations that something that would usually be a bad look has people hyped.

 

[Zeferino]

What rounds did you give to Cotto? I could only see 2 rounds and I was being nice by saying 3.

Cotto touched Mayweather the most because Floyd fought differently. You have never seen Floyd stay against the ropes like that. He would actively go to the ropes and fight Cotto from the ropes. He was also very combination minded which left him more open than usual for counters.

Only wrinkle that Cotto added was good defense which caused Floyd to do more on offense without results. If Floyd fought his usual fight he probably would have shut dude out.

I believe Mayweather fought differently because Cotto forced him to. Of course Mayweather is going around saying he fought like that on purpose but that's because he knows he got hit more than usual and he was missing more than usual.

That's very important because Mayweather is known for his superior defense and his superior accuracy. If he performed less than usual in those two areas there has to be a reason. Why would he purposely be less accurate with his punches?

Mayweather performed like he did because he was in there with another technical fighter like himself and that's why it made things harder. Just like I called it, Cotto did not get wiped out because he's technical and a guy like Mayweather gives him time to think and set a pace for himself because Mayweather is mostly looking to lay back and counterpunch. This is why whenever Mayweather pressed the issue, he disrupted Cotto and landed nice combinations on him. If Mayweather would have marched forward most of the time like Margarito and Pacquiao did, Cotto would have probably gotten stopped.

Shit, Mayweather still won so you fans can still be happy. You can't expect the guy to look like Jesus with boxing gloves on every time out especially when he starts fighting more technical guys like Cotto.

 

[P03t]

I was with you until the end. Everyone he's fought since becoming an elite fighter has been a "real guy", some were just better than others.



Having seen how Manny fought JMM three times, all this movement and shit people talk about wouldn't be that much of a difference. Marquez is even older than Floyd and far more battle worn and he still gave Manny a life and death battle. I would never say Manny would be "easy work" for Floyd, I do think that's disrespectful to guys who are actually putting their safety on the line, but the Cotto fight will be tougher than a potential Pacquiao fight.




He throws a lot of punches but it's often like Carmelo Anthony's "Put his hands in your face" defense: it's flashy but doesn't mean shit. Outside Cotto and JMM, Manny's had some dull ass fights in the last few years.

One other thing
Floyd and Manny were fighting two different Miguel Cottos: Manny fought him after the savaging by Hands of Stone and a tough fight with Clottey and at a catchweight while Floyd fought when he was years away from a hard fight and at his full weight. There were no shenanigans going into last night's fight. If people to give Manny more credit for beating JMM than they do Floyd for the same thing (for various reasons), that logic applies to Cotto.

nah fam thats not flashy...did you see how Cotto got put down... with typical Pac flurry...even Cotto said (Post Fight Conference) Pac throws alot of punches from angles that he couldn't see & those are the punches that hurt the most the one you don't see...add Pac's good speed thats a entertaining productive style unless he runs into a counterpunching buzzsaw like JMM or Mayweather even Martinez

Morales beat Pac because of timing...like I said Pac fights in bursts because of his high volume punching style...Morales was able to time Pac's attack & get off first...

Pac is an entertaining fighter controversy aside...& the way he laid off Marg & Cotto after literally treating them like punching bags for the majority of the fight dude gained my respect

 

[Alaskanredman]

I believe Mayweather fought differently because Cotto forced him to. Of course Mayweather is going around saying he fought like that on purpose but that's because he knows he got hit more than usual and he was missing more than usual.

That's very important because Mayweather is known for his superior defense and his superior accuracy. If he performed less than usual in those two areas there has to be a reason. Why would he purposely be less accurate with his punches?

Mayweather performed like he did because he was in there with another technical fighter like himself and that's why it made things harder. Just like I called it, Cotto did not get wiped out because he's technical and a guy like Mayweather gives him time to think and set a pace for himself because Mayweather is mostly looking to lay back and counterpunch. This is why whenever Mayweather pressed the issue, he disrupted Cotto and landed nice combinations on him. If Mayweather would have marched forward most of the time like Margarito and Pacquiao did, Cotto would have probably gotten stopped.

Shit, Mayweather still won so you fans can still be happy. You can't expect the guy to look like Jesus with boxing gloves on every time out especially when he starts fighting more technical guys like Cotto.

So you give me no rounds.

Then you responded to nothing I said really. Just a bunch of generic shit about Cotto forcing Mayweather to fight differently because he is technical.

What technique did Cotto use to force Mayweather to purposely walk away from the middle of the ring and get on the ropes? We have seen pressure guys before and we have seen Floyd purposely go against the ropes before, but we have never seen him do it damn near a minute of every round. You can even see in the same fight when he wanted to get off the ropes he could do so very easily, but he choose to fight that way and I think he did that because he wanted Cotto to throw more punches so he could counter Cotto more. Only thing that wasn't taken into account is that Cotto was very defensive minded more than ever before. A lot of times it paid off for Floyd and some times Cotto was able to land 1 out of 5 punches.

What technique did Cotto use to force Mayweather to throw more combinations than we have ever seen from him? I understand Cotto's defense and countering allowed him to capitalize on Floyd's activity, but Cotto did nothing to force that activity from Floyd. He didn't beat Floyd to the punch and/or bank rounds so what was the technique?

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Yeah, he did better than expected but it still wasn't close by even a little bit.

I thought Cotto was going to do more. He was only in the fight because PBF took his foot of the gas and coasted to an easy win. Cotto's power was non existence . PBF is a great fighter. It made me relook at Cotto more than anything. I was frustrated cause PBF carried Cotto. It really sucked. I think the only reason he is acting respectful to Cotto is to dig at Arum. Which actually is pretty funny. But on the real. PBF is unreal and just appears unbeatable. Which confuses me on why he won't fight against Manny.

 

[P03t]

I thought Cotto was going to do more. He was only in the fight because PBF took his foot of the gas and coasted to an easy win. Cotto's power was non existence . PBF is a great fighter. It made me relook at Cotto more than anything. I was frustrated cause PBF carried Cotto. It really sucked. I think the only reason he is acting respectful to Cotto is to dig at Arum. Which actually is pretty funny. But on the real. PBF is unreal and just appears unbeatable. Which confuses me on why he won't fight against Manny.

C/S

I've been saying for a long time since he moved to 154 his power is gone Marg said dude was hitting like girl...Marg was walking through dudes punches...he couldn't cut off the ring he only tried to muscle PBF into the corner or ropes

& PBF will run through Pac like hot knife through butter

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

C/S

I've been saying for a long time since he moved to 154 his power is gone Marg said dude was hitting like girl...Marg was walking through dudes punches...he couldn't cut off the ring he only tried to muscle PBF into the corner or ropes

& PBF will run through Pac like hot knife through butter

I would like to see that knife run through the butter. Lol, but I still believe Manny doesn't stand a chance. The only thing that puzzles me is why pbf won't fight him. When he is all about low risk high return fights.

 

[Alaskanredman]

I would like to see that knife run through the butter. Lol, but I still believe Manny doesn't stand a chance. The only thing that puzzles me is why pbf won't fight him. When he is all about low risk high return fights.

Maybe because he will fight Pac and maybe... just maybe Pac won't fight him.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I don't agree that Cotto was hampered by coming in at 145 against Pacquiao when he was used to coming in at 146 as he did for most of his welterweight fights. I don't think there is a single case in boxing history where a guy is weight drained from coming in ONE pound less than he usually does. That being said, I do agree that Mayweather fought a better Cotto than Pacquiao did because of the other things you said.

You're not arguing with me, you're arguing with Freddie Roach who publicly said he expected it to hamper Cotto.

Probably, but I think people are over-reaching with how Cotto performed. He bloodied Floyd's nose, and landed some clean jabs, did some good body work and had good defense... but that resulted in winning a couple of rounds, getting himself hit with the meaner shots, a face resembling some of his worst beatings and almost getting knocked out. I think it is being over blown a bit... put this same performance against another motherfucker and people would love the fight, but no one would be acting like Cotto did something that was good or great. The bar was so low on his expectations that something that would usually be a bad look has people hyped.

I'm not completely on board but there is some truth to that. I actually heard a chick who thought she knew something about boxing say Tarver beat Jones twice. Tarver won, by my count, 3-4 rounds in that 12 rd fight but because he looked better than anyone else had looked against Roy, it swayed people's opinions. Add to that the result of the rematch and they felt vindicated. So I can see how low expectations can alter people's perceptions, especially those that don't follow the sport closely.

I believe Mayweather fought differently because Cotto forced him to. Of course Mayweather is going around saying he fought like that on purpose but that's because he knows he got hit more than usual and he was missing more than usual.

I don't disagree that Cotto is the best technical fighter he's fought in a while but Mayweather had promised a more "fan friendly" fighting style before the Ortiz fight similar to the same promise Bernard Hopkins made prior to the Pascal fights.

nah fam thats not flashy...did you see how Cotto got put down... with typical Pac flurry...even Cotto said (Post Fight Conference) Pac throws alot of punches from angles that he couldn't see & those are the punches that hurt the most the one you don't see...add Pac's good speed thats a entertaining productive style unless he runs into a counterpunching buzzsaw like JMM or Mayweather even Martinez


Morales beat Pac because of timing...like I said Pac fights in bursts because of his high volume punching style...Morales was able to time Pac's attack & get off first...

Pac is an entertaining fighter controversy aside...& the way he laid off Marg & Cotto after literally treating them like punching bags for the majority of the fight dude gained my respect

But it doesn't seem nearly as effective when he's fighting a strong opponent. The Cotto he fought was damaged goods.
As you said, when he fights a guy that can time him, all that movement (which is really just side to side. The second coming of Joe Frazier he ain't) didn't do shit for him against a strong Morales or JMM.
The Margarito win didn't show me anything. Beating a never was is worse than beating a has been and Cotto wasn't right yet.

Maybe because he will fight Pac and maybe... just maybe Pac won't fight him.

Walk away. Buk is setting a trap here. You know better.

 

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But it doesn't seem nearly as effective when he's fighting a strong opponent. The Cotto he fought was damaged goods.
As you said, when he fights a guy that can time him, all that movement (which is really just side to side. The second coming of Joe Frazier he ain't) didn't do shit for him against a strong Morales or JMM.
The Margarito win didn't show me anything. Beating a never was is worse than beating a has been and Cotto wasn't right yet.

Pac has some skills I like...he has good fights just giving credit to homie...he can't beat any good counter puncher for real...Cotto & Marg were perfect opponents with stipulations...I won't front

Cotto was a battle worn Pac destroyed homie with ease...

 

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But it doesn't seem nearly as effective when he's fighting a strong opponent. The Cotto he fought was damaged goods.
As you said, when he fights a guy that can time him, all that movement (which is really just side to side. The second coming of Joe Frazier he ain't) didn't do shit for him against a strong Morales or JMM.
The Margarito win didn't show me anything. Beating a never was is worse than beating a has been and Cotto wasn't right yet.

Pac has some skills I like...he has good fights just giving credit to homie...he can't beat any good counter puncher for real...Cotto & Marg were perfect opponents with stipulations...I won't front

Cotto was battle worn...

 

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from the build up, the weigh in , to the actual the fight i dont think floyd respected cotto at all . he actually showed ortiz more respect in the ring then he did cotto

 

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So you give me no rounds.

Then you responded to nothing I said really. Just a bunch of generic shit about Cotto forcing Mayweather to fight differently because he is technical.

What technique did Cotto use to force Mayweather to purposely walk away from the middle of the ring and get on the ropes? We have seen pressure guys before and we have seen Floyd purposely go against the ropes before, but we have never seen him do it damn near a minute of every round. You can even see in the same fight when he wanted to get off the ropes he could do so very easily, but he choose to fight that way and I think he did that because he wanted Cotto to throw more punches so he could counter Cotto more. Only thing that wasn't taken into account is that Cotto was very defensive minded more than ever before. A lot of times it paid off for Floyd and some times Cotto was able to land 1 out of 5 punches.

What technique did Cotto use to force Mayweather to throw more combinations than we have ever seen from him? I understand Cotto's defense and countering allowed him to capitalize on Floyd's activity, but Cotto did nothing to force that activity from Floyd. He didn't beat Floyd to the punch and/or bank rounds so what was the technique?

You answered your own question. Floyd stepped up the activity because Cotto was defensive minded leaving fewer opportunities for what Floyd loves to do best, counterpunch. Also, Floyd understood that it is a lot easier to dominate or control Cotto when you attack him more. This is why Cotto lost control against Pacquiao and Margarito. You can't just sit back and let Cotto get into a rhythm. Floyd's sit back and counterpunch off the shoulder roll style gives a guy like Cotto his best shot to win because it allows him time to think and to fight at his own pace. This is pretty much the same thing I said in the previous post but maybe it was too wordy or long winded.

Floyd threw more punches then he probably has in any other fight but he also missed more. He only landed at 26% when he usually lands at 46%. Shit! Surely Cotto was doing something right in there although you choose to ignore it.

 

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Just like I called it, Cotto did not get wiped out because he's technical and a guy like Mayweather gives him time to think and set a pace for himself because Mayweather is mostly looking to lay back and counterpunch. This is why whenever Mayweather pressed the issue, he disrupted Cotto and landed nice combinations on him. If Mayweather would have marched forward most of the time like Margarito and Pacquiao did, Cotto would have probably gotten stopped.

Probably so...when he was the aggressor in this fight, he was getting in good shots (especially in the middle of the ring) and again, those right hands were messing Cotto up bad...It was when he started baiting Cotto in the corner and letting him throw more (missing a lot, but still landing shots here and there) that Miguel got more punches in.

Even when Floyd was not going to the ropes/corner but just backing up, Cotto did not lead with anything to try and get inside, which I thought would be his core strategy to do damage against Mayweather.

The main reason that Floyd won all those rounds was because he was able to control the action in the ring regardless of where it was. The few rounds that Cotto did win wasn't by a lot either...It was mainly because he was more succesful in his game plan than most thought he would be...

from the build up, the weigh in, to the actual the fight i dont think floyd respected cotto at all. he actually showed ortiz more respect in the ring then he did cotto

At times Floyd tried to be disrespectful but you gotta be all in with that...He wasn't like that with Cotto (the "undefeated fighter" talk as a prime example and his resume plus drawing power took that away) all the time...just at the last couple of weeks