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Should Prez Obama Use Bin Laden Killing As A Campaign Tool?
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LOL. This "Joke" has dominated the mainstream news the last couple of days, and especially today.
Short answer: Hell Yeah.
It was accomplished on his watch and done at his command.
If he had missed, everyone of those, and more, who now ask the question whether Obama should use it know damn well: THEY WOULD BE USING IT, AGAINST HIM.
Bush wanted to, but couldn't. Instead, he started a different war (turning his attention away from Afghanistan and Bin Laden) and prematurely celebrated under a sign aboard an aircraft carrier that read "Mission Accomplished". But, the mission hadn't been accomplished, it had only just begun. That mission too, was ended by Mr. Obama. Celebrate that too Mr. Obama, because had you not done so, your detractors would be hanging that one around your neck, as we speak.
. . . sorry. I digressed.
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The failure would be used against him so he should run on the success.
Co-sign.
It is important to make his accomplishments "visible" the voters again and then one more time. If not, wing nuts will tell a completely different story. Already Romney is claiming the auto bailout is HIS idea. That fucker lies with ease. Even Giuliani tried to claim on FukedNews that no domestic terrorism happened on GWBush's
watch.
Skip to 3:19 mark
-VG
Yes, but I felt unsafe from the gun nuts that are the republicans and libertarians.
Are you sure? President Obama, the Nobel Peace Prize winner, is arguably one of the most militarily aggressive leaders in decades.
He overthrew the Libyan dictator. He ramped up drone attacks in Pakistan, waged effective covert wars in Yemen and Somalia and authorized a threefold increase in the number of American troops in Afghanistan. He became the first president to authorize the assassination of a United States citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki, who was born in New Mexico and played an operational role in Al Qaeda, and was killed in an American drone strike in Yemen. And, of course, Mr. Obama ordered and oversaw the Navy SEAL raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
He overthrew the Libyan dictator. He ramped up drone attacks in Pakistan, waged effective covert wars in Yemen and Somalia and authorized a threefold increase in the number of American troops in Afghanistan. He became the first president to authorize the assassination of a United States citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki, who was born in New Mexico and played an operational role in Al Qaeda, and was killed in an American drone strike in Yemen. And, of course, Mr. Obama ordered and oversaw the Navy SEAL raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
Oh, and you forgot that there have been more guns sold in the US than any time in history over the last 3 years. That ought to please you libertirain gun lovers!
That's probably Obama's best foreign policy victory.
He better run on that.
He better run on that.
Look what the cat dragged in!
What was Bush's?
Romney better not bring up foreign policy.
Bush Closes C.I.A. Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden
by Mark Mazzetti
<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow">July 4, 2006</font>
WASHINGTON, July 3 — The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday.
<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow">The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last year (2005)</font> and its analysts reassigned within the C.I.A. Counterterrorist Center, the officials said......
READ the rest- http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html
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Who was the BuShit CIA director when BuShit decided to end the hunt for bin Laden??
His name was Porter Goss a man who in his own words said that "I couldn't get a job at the CIA today, I am not qualified!" The video below is for those who are either not in the "reality based" world or suffer from permanent amnesia.
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'Mission Accomplished'
Domestic Propaganda and the News Media
http://www.historycommons.org/timel...military_analysts_tmln__mission_accomplished_
Yep but it's not related to this topic.
source: Mediaite
Republican and Democratic Opponents Attacked Obama for Promising to Raid Pakistan to Kill Osama bin Laden
The justice that was served to Osama bin Laden Sunday is cause for solemn celebration, but in this instant information age, little time is wasted in assessing the political fallout of an event like the killing of the terrorist figurehead. While Republican leaders like former President George W. Bush and Sen. John McCain have graciously commended President Obama for his part in the operation, others, like former Governor Sarah Palin, have pointedly snubbed him.
The conservative spin in the Twittersphere has been that
Obama “stayed the course” in the hunt for bin Laden, but the reality is that this mission is the fulfillment of a promise that then-Senator Obama made in 2007, one for which he was roundly criticized by fellow Democrats like now-VP Joe Biden and eventual Secretary of Defense Hillary Clinton, and then-GOP nominee for president John McCain. It’s also worth noting that conservatives noted a marked difference in the way President Obama conducted the War on Terror, criticizing him publicly for killing too many terrorists, while privately, silently urging him on.
On August 1, 2007, then-Senator Barack Obama made this prescient promise in a speech in Washington, DC:
His Democratic rivals tore into him, mostly for saying, out loud, what they all agreed needed to be done. His future Vice President said, at the time, “The way to deal with it is not to announce it, but to do it… The last thing you want to do is telegraph to the folks in Pakistan that we are about to violate their sovereignty.”
That criticism was echoed, to varying degrees, by Hillary Clinton and John McCain, who each took the additional step of misleading people into thinking that Obama favored an invasion or a bombing campaign against Pakistan itself. Obama responded to that inference during one of his debates with McCain:
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In hindsight, it appears that Obama’s promise certainly didn’t hurt, and given that this raid was made without the Pakistani government’s knowledge, but developed with their cooperation, it is reasonable to argue that it helped.
President Obama, meanwhile, was very clear, in his speech Sunday night, that even though he was responsible for ordering the raid, those who planned and carried out the assault were the true heroes, lauding them for their “courage and capability.”
As far as President Bush goes, there are few who would argue that his detour into Iraq helped speed along the capture of bin Laden, and his administration gets a large share of the blame for bin Laden’s escape to Pakistan, but there will probably be many who will dig up this clip as evidence that Bush didn’t really care to catch bin Laden:
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For what it’s worth, that’s not really a fair interpretation of what he was saying. Just as the right constantly does to Obama, this meme ignores the fact that President Bush was speaking to a wider audience, and was trying to diminish bin Laden’s propaganda value, successfully or not.
There’s nothing wrong with assessing the political (and consequently, the policy) consequences of this event, but it’s a fine line. The liberals who are taunting conservatives about this may feel justified by the relentless attacks on President Obama’s (mostly excellent) national security record, but it really amounts to an end zone dance on hallowed ground. By the same token, conservatives who want to pettily ignore, or rewrite, the work that President Obama has done toward hunting bin Laden down are using that same ground as a political latrine.
Republican and Democratic Opponents Attacked Obama for Promising to Raid Pakistan to Kill Osama bin Laden
The justice that was served to Osama bin Laden Sunday is cause for solemn celebration, but in this instant information age, little time is wasted in assessing the political fallout of an event like the killing of the terrorist figurehead. While Republican leaders like former President George W. Bush and Sen. John McCain have graciously commended President Obama for his part in the operation, others, like former Governor Sarah Palin, have pointedly snubbed him.
The conservative spin in the Twittersphere has been that
Obama “stayed the course” in the hunt for bin Laden, but the reality is that this mission is the fulfillment of a promise that then-Senator Obama made in 2007, one for which he was roundly criticized by fellow Democrats like now-VP Joe Biden and eventual Secretary of Defense Hillary Clinton, and then-GOP nominee for president John McCain. It’s also worth noting that conservatives noted a marked difference in the way President Obama conducted the War on Terror, criticizing him publicly for killing too many terrorists, while privately, silently urging him on.
On August 1, 2007, then-Senator Barack Obama made this prescient promise in a speech in Washington, DC:
That criticism was echoed, to varying degrees, by Hillary Clinton and John McCain, who each took the additional step of misleading people into thinking that Obama favored an invasion or a bombing campaign against Pakistan itself. Obama responded to that inference during one of his debates with McCain:
<IFRAME height=349 src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/qZDSJN7mVPo" frameBorder=0 width=425 allowfullscreen></IFRAME>
In hindsight, it appears that Obama’s promise certainly didn’t hurt, and given that this raid was made without the Pakistani government’s knowledge, but developed with their cooperation, it is reasonable to argue that it helped.
President Obama, meanwhile, was very clear, in his speech Sunday night, that even though he was responsible for ordering the raid, those who planned and carried out the assault were the true heroes, lauding them for their “courage and capability.”
As far as President Bush goes, there are few who would argue that his detour into Iraq helped speed along the capture of bin Laden, and his administration gets a large share of the blame for bin Laden’s escape to Pakistan, but there will probably be many who will dig up this clip as evidence that Bush didn’t really care to catch bin Laden:
<IFRAME height=349 src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/4PGmnz5Ow-o" frameBorder=0 width=425 allowfullscreen></IFRAME>
For what it’s worth, that’s not really a fair interpretation of what he was saying. Just as the right constantly does to Obama, this meme ignores the fact that President Bush was speaking to a wider audience, and was trying to diminish bin Laden’s propaganda value, successfully or not.
There’s nothing wrong with assessing the political (and consequently, the policy) consequences of this event, but it’s a fine line. The liberals who are taunting conservatives about this may feel justified by the relentless attacks on President Obama’s (mostly excellent) national security record, but it really amounts to an end zone dance on hallowed ground. By the same token, conservatives who want to pettily ignore, or rewrite, the work that President Obama has done toward hunting bin Laden down are using that same ground as a political latrine.
Republicans are punk bitches that cry foul when someone uses their shit against them.
Hell Muthafuckan yeah he should use it as a political weapon.
Mitt Romney said out of his own damn mouth that he wouldn t have gone into Pakistan to get bin laden.
Fuck him.
The best thing Romney could of did was give props to Obama for carrying out that mission. Then, remind everyone that Obama MORE THAN LIKELY got his information from enhanced interrogations that was made possible by President Bush's policies.
This is why Thought keeps bringing up Bush. Deep down inside, Thought hates the fact that Obama used the thing he was running against.
This is why Thought keeps bringing up Bush. Deep down inside, Thought hates the fact that Obama used the thing he was running against.
Then Romney was lying. There have been several books written by people who would know that say that little, if any, relevent info came from torture, which Bush decided to stop doing during his own term. So it couldnt have been that effective, so says the Republican President.
George Bush should get very little credit.
Obama ramped up the hung for Bin Laden.
ramped up the drone attacks....
and Al Queda is now a shell of their former self.
Obama ramped up the hung for Bin Laden.
ramped up the drone attacks....
and Al Queda is now a shell of their former self.
You don't spike the football... They don't know what spiking the football is. When they said we should not use Bin Laden as a scare tactic... He was scary. He's did now... No scare tactic. But basically yeah cause its not like they can use it against him or ignore it.
That's all up for debate, but we all agree that Romney shouldn't have pulled this card out.
Obama killing Osama should be the only good thing Obama can run on.
It's all about jobs, and health care now.
You ashamed of Bush? Obama cleaning up Bush's shit!
But he can't because he is:
Where did you get this speculation. I know, from the same right wing source that claims the WMDs are in Syria.
Get this straight, There was nothing good about the Bush regime. When he enter office, he inherited a budget surplus with a slowing debt increase with talk of the actual debt being eliminated. He created two wars and presided over a world wide economic collapse.
The world would have been better if Al Gore was president and had not be denied the presidency by the Conservative Supreme Court.
End of statement!
Oh really, can he run on this?
Sure he's making Romeny own up to a potential Bush 3rd term. what can Paul run on?
Actually, we're in the middle of the 3rd Bush term. Romney would just continue the Wars & unsustainable debt!
Gas would be 20 cents under RP
So he says. Is he going to do all the voting in Congress too or can he just unilaterally make all the decisions to make gas .20?
Another reason why Paul is a fraud.
That's pretty good, Gingrich promised $2.50 gas, Bachmann promised below $2.00. Damn, Republicans have been in the White House for most of the last 30 years and all gas has done is go up. Same song different singer.
BTW, gas prices have been falling of late. Get the corporatist speculation out!
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