Justices poised to strike down entire healthcare law

Justices poised to strike down entire healthcare law


Reporting from Washington—
The Supreme Court's conservative justices said Wednesday they are prepared to strike down President Obama’s healthcare law entirely.

Picking up where they left off Tuesday, the conservatives said they thought a decision striking down the law's controversial individual mandate to purchase health insurance means the whole statute should fall with it.

The court’s conservatives sounded as though they had determined for themselves that the 2,700-page measure must be declared unconstitutional.

"One way or another, Congress will have to revisit it in toto," said Justice Antonin Scalia.

Agreeing, Justice Anthony Kennedy said it would be an "extreme proposition" to allow the various insurance regulations to stand after the mandate was struck down.

Meanwhile, the court's liberal justices argued for restraint. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said the court should do a "salvage job," not undertake a “wrecking operation." But she looked to be out-voted.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. said they shared the view of Scalia and Kennedy that the law should stand or fall in total. Along with Justice Clarence Thomas, they would have a majority to strike down the entire statute as unconstitutional.

An Obama administration lawyer, urging caution, said it would be "extraordinary" for the court to throw out the entire law. About 2.5 million young people under age 26 are on their parents' insurance now because of the new law. If it were struck down entirely, "2.5 million of them would be thrown off the insurance rolls," said Edwin Kneedler.

The administration indicated it was prepared to accept a ruling that some of the insurance reforms should fall if the mandate were struck down. For example, insurers would not be required to sell coverage to people with preexisting conditions. But Kneedler, a deputy solicitor general, said the court should go no further.

But the court's conservatives said the law was passed as a package and must fall as a package.

The justices are scheduled to meet Wednesday afternoon to debate the law's Medicaid expansion.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politic...ntire-healthcare-law-20120328,0,2058481.story


:lol::lol: @ Obama
 
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His Administration pushed for it to be heard this year so if it's upheld, he wins and if it's struck down, he gets to use it to galvanize his base for the election, showing how dangerous it would be to leave the House with the Republicans and/or letting Romney get in and select more conservative judges.


But I'm glad you find humor in the failure of the first real step to reform health insurance.
 
His Administration pushed for it to be heard this year so if it's upheld, he wins and if it's struck down, he gets to use it to galvanize his base for the election, showing how dangerous it would be to leave the House with the Republicans and/or letting Romney get in and select more conservative judges.


But I'm glad you find humor in the failure of the first real step to reform health insurance.

They don't hear you though...but James Carville does...:yes:
I can't wait to see Tea Party faces cheering the healthcare defeat juxtaposed with insurance companies raising their rates because they no longer fear a mandate.
 
His Administration pushed for it to be heard this year so if it's upheld, he wins and if it's struck down, he gets to use it to galvanize his base for the election, showing how dangerous it would be to leave the House with the Republicans and/or letting Romney get in and select more conservative judges.


But I'm glad you find humor in the failure of the first real step to reform health insurance.

You know OP is just some right wing white guy.


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This is what happens when drug companies and insurance companies own Congress, Senate and Judges.
People pay way too much attention to the President and not enough to Congress, Senate and the judicial branches.
 
His Administration pushed for it to be heard this year so if it's upheld, he wins and if it's struck down, he gets to use it to galvanize his base for the election, showing how dangerous it would be to leave the House with the Republicans and/or letting Romney get in and select more conservative judges.


But I'm glad you find humor in the failure of the first real step to reform health insurance.


^^^This^^^....If it Gets Struck Down They Will Redo it Only This Time it Will Have Public Option/Single Payer That People Got Mad About Them Taking Out in the First Place and There Will be No Backing Down or Compromise This Time
 
^^^This^^^....If it Gets Struck Down They Will Redo it Only This Time it Will Have Public Option/Single Payer That People Got Mad About Them Taking Out in the First Place and There Will be No Backing Down or Compromise This Time

Sorta, the only thing that WOULD be constitutional would be single payer.. It would be a government service.. Basically like medicaid for everybody..

Thats what they NEED to do, but the insurance companies would be out of business so they won't let that happen.
 
His Administration pushed for it to be heard this year so if it's upheld, he wins and if it's struck down, he gets to use it to galvanize his base for the election, showing how dangerous it would be to leave the House with the Republicans and/or letting Romney get in and select more conservative judges.


But I'm glad you find humor in the failure of the first real step to reform health insurance.

:cool:

It's crazy how politics now trump the law

:smh:@the OP
 
^^^This^^^....If it Gets Struck Down They Will Redo it Only This Time it Will Have Public Option/Single Payer That People Got Mad About Them Taking Out in the First Place and There Will be No Backing Down or Compromise This Time

how will that happen with a republican congress
 
You know OP is just some right wing white guy.


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yep. but that big gop dummy doesn't even realize that the individual mandate is a fukin REPUBLICAN idea. the gop came up with it back in 1993. but suddenly it's 'unconstitutional' when pres. obama says 'hey, i like that idea'. :smh:

but i knew how this case would go down before it even started. 5-4 against since conservatives outnumber the progressives on the court.
 
Yes! expensive ass healthcare for everyone. This is a win. If you are poor and don't have health insurance fuck you.
 
yep. but that big gop dummy doesn't even realize that the individual mandate is a fukin REPUBLICAN idea. the gop came up with it back in 1993. but suddenly it's 'unconstitutional' when pres. obama says 'hey, i like that idea'. :smh:

but i knew how this case would go down before it even started. 5-4 against since conservatives outnumber the progressives on the court.

how did they come up with in 93 just asking
 
Too bad for the OP....that sex change operation he/she's been waiting on probably would have been covered, being that the OP has a pre-existing condition of being a CAC faggot.
 
Let's hope they strike that bullshit down. We don't need a mandate to purchase health care, we need a public option.
 
Let's hope they strike that bullshit down. We don't need a mandate to purchase health care, we need a public option.

We don't need public option.. We need single payer.. And we should DEMAND it..
All the taxes we pay with zero benefits IS BULLSHIT. The least we can get for our money is healthcare.. Fuck these wars..

And the public option is most certainly a republican idea proposed by Newt in the 90s and Mitt Romney passed it in Mass and then Obama used his blueprint.
 
They don't hear you though...but James Carville does...:yes:
I can't wait to see Tea Party faces cheering the healthcare defeat juxtaposed with insurance companies raising their rates because they no longer fear a mandate.

:yes:But the same people telling them this is a bad thing will convince them that the higher rates is Obama's fault.

Why the fuck would they fear a mandate? The insurance companies wrote the dumb ass law.. It gives them another 40 million customers..

But it forces them to take clients they ordinarily reject and not raise rates or discriminate against the many segments they've been allowed to.

Let's hope they strike that bullshit down. We don't need a mandate to purchase health care, we need a public option.

We don't need public option.. We need single payer.. And we should DEMAND it..
All the taxes we pay with zero benefits IS BULLSHIT. The least we can get for our money is healthcare.. Fuck these wars..

And the public option is most certainly a republican idea proposed by Newt in the 90s and Mitt Romney passed it in Mass and then Obama used his blueprint.

The individual mandate is the Republican idea, not the public option.

Wishing for a public option or single payer will get you nowhere unless we can get more liberal thinking members of Congress. The individual mandate, which has no enforceable penalty, covers more people and pays for all the other things that everyone loves about the reform.
 
I'd rather they keep the law, come back and fix it with a single payer amendment.

If the supreme court strikes it down, healthcare reform is dead in this country for a LONG TIME.

This congress refuses to be active towards anything pro people.

Nothing will be passed until the constituency changes by those who get off their ass and vote.

It's amazing how important it has become that Sandra day oconner retired a few months before Obama was elected. We are stuck with 5-4 court for many years thanks to bush jr.

Again liberals don't know how to take one for the team, she wasn't even that old.... Fuck

Learn how to retire when there is a democratic president, not a fucking imbecile that gets to appoint two young conservative voices.
 
Good. I was never a fan of this mandate but supported it because it was the only reform that was offered. This will only open the door for actual reform during the next term.
 
The legal issue is whether Congress can exercise its plenary powers under the commerce clause to regulate economic INACTIVITY.

I have a feeling that it will be upheld in a very limiting decision. But the slippery slope arguments do make sense. If Congress can force you to buy a product, what is the limit? Clearly millions of uninsured individuals affects the aggregate, but is an insurance mandate narrowly tailored to achieve Congress' goal?

5-4 decision. Scalia will write the dissent.
 
how did they come up with in 93 just asking

this was back when clinton was in office and seriously biggin up national healthcare. he was gettin so much positive press and love off the idea that the gop countered with their own version, which PITCHED THE FUKIN IDEA of a mandate.

they were braggin how the idea was all theirs and how their plan included the mandate. they were on some real 'no free rides' sheit. i don't know why the dems don't run some of that old footage of gop senate leaders from '93 spouting off how dope an idea the national mandate is and use it in commercials backing the national healthcare law today. i know they got bob dole's azz on film spittin that sheit
 
http://www.scpr.org/news/2010/02/15/11859/republicans-spurn-once-favored-health-mandate/

In fact, says Len Nichols of the New America Foundation, the individual mandate was originally a Republican idea. "It was invented by Mark Pauly to give to George Bush Sr. back in the day, as a competition to the employer mandate focus of the Democrats at the time."

The 'Free-Rider Effect'

Pauly, a conservative health economist at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, says it wasn't just his idea. Back in the late 1980s — when Democrats were pushing not just a requirement for employers to provide insurance, but also the possibility of a government-sponsored single-payer system — "a group of economists and health policy people, market-oriented, sat down and said, 'Let's see if we can come up with a health reform proposal that would preserve a role for markets but would also achieve universal coverage.' "

The idea of the individual mandate was about the only logical way to get there, Pauly says. That's because even with the most generous subsidies or enticements, "there would always be some Evel Knievels of health insurance, who would decline coverage even if the subsidies were very generous, and even if they could afford it, quote unquote, so if you really wanted to close the gap, that's the step you'd have to take."
 
this was back when clinton was in office and seriously biggin up national healthcare. he was gettin so much positive press and love off the idea that the gop countered with their own version, which PITCHED THE FUKIN IDEA of a mandate.

they were braggin how the idea was all theirs and how their plan included the mandate. they were on some real 'no free rides' sheit. i don't know why the dems don't run some of that old footage of gop senate leaders from '93 spouting off how dope an idea the national mandate is and use it in commercials backing the national healthcare law today. i know they got bob dole's azz on film spittin that sheit

Democrats are a bunch of bitch as pussies.

No backbone at all. They piss me the fuck off always mute like little mice all the fucking time.
 
I'd rather they keep the law, come back and fix it with a single payer amendment.

If the supreme court strikes it down, healthcare reform is dead in this country for a LONG TIME.

This congress refuses to be active towards anything pro people.

Nothing will be passed until the constituency changes by those who get off their ass and vote.

It's amazing how important it has become that Sandra day oconner retired a few months before Obama was elected. We are stuck with 5-4 court for many years thanks to bush jr.

Again liberals don't know how to take one for the team, she wasn't even that old.... Fuck


Learn how to retire when there is a democratic president, not a fucking imbecile that gets to appoint two young conservative voices.

O'Connor's husband is/was ill which prompted her retirement. If there is only one reason to vote for Obama, it's that Ruth Bader Ginsburg is old ass sand and will not make through another 4 yr term and either Obama or Romney (let's be real, Romney's the nominee) will pick her replacement.


Forget single payer/public option, the way to go, which would be completely market driven, would be to end the state monopolies health insurance companies have. Republicans talk about letting people buy insurance across state lines but that's a red herring, take away their antitrust exemptions and let them compete like car insurers do and watch the rates plummet.
 
Actually no, the majority of them will be the young healthy adults.. Easy money.
And a do away with pre-existing condition denials and lifetime benefits caps... All easy money aint good money.

The legal issue is whether Congress can exercise its plenary powers under the commerce clause to regulate economic INACTIVITY.

I have a feeling that it will be upheld in a very limiting decision. But the slippery slope arguments do make sense. If Congress can force you to buy a product, what is the limit? Clearly millions of uninsured individuals affects the aggregate, but is an insurance mandate narrowly tailored to achieve Congress' goal?

5-4 decision. Scalia will write the dissent.
For this same reasoning i think its a lame duck.
 
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