THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....

[dirtyd]

Punk and Jericho could draw but it's all going to hinge on what happens at EC. At this point, I'm not sure that show should even be there. If it wasn't, they could start building for Mania right after the Rumble instead of trying to build for the EC ppv then Mania.



Punk's gotten sloppy? When he's been in the ring with an even credible worker (Cena, ADR, Ziggler, Swagger), he's had good matches. Unless Jericho is completely out of shape, this will probably easily be match of the night.
Sheamus and DB match up well from what I've seen of them but it would work better if Sheamus was the heel and Bryan the face defending against the powerhouse. I'm worried how it works with Bryan being a wormy champ who never beats anyone and Sheamus smiling while he wrestles until he "snaps" (stealing Ken Shamrock's old schtick).

I agree with dropping the chamber ppv because the true great one was the very first one and imo should be a Survivor Series exclusive. The one thing i truly hate about the wwe now is them making gimmick matches into ppvs, gimmick matches are what helped Mania become huge and know they make c-list ppvs out of them.

Punk even with those aforementioned superstars has had some subpar matches, Ziggler was his best match in a long time and i credit Ziggler who is the best seller in the business right now.

 

[chrislee]

I find it funny how WWE is pulling out HBK again to help sell the Taker/HHH match. I remember last year how everyone was posting how we weren't interested in their match. After HBK walk back up the ramp and said " I'm sorry Hunter, you can't beat him." we wanted to see the match.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I agree with dropping the chamber ppv because the true great one was the very first one and imo should be a Survivor Series exclusive. The one thing i truly hate about the wwe now is them making gimmick matches into ppvs, gimmick matches are what helped Mania become huge and know they make c-list ppvs out of them.

I hate that too. With MitB okay but Hell in the Cell is supposed to be the feud ender of all feud enders but now it's just jammed in there and they act like they don't know it's coming and don't build up the feuds worth a damn.

Punk even with those aforementioned superstars has had some subpar matches, Ziggler was his best match in a long time and i credit Ziggler who is the best seller in the business right now.

Which one? Maybe some tv matches but his ppv solo matches have been at least very good. The matches are only disappointing when they add bullshit (like 3way Hell in the Cell matches).
Punk and Jericho will deliver.

I find it funny how WWE is pulling out HBK again to help sell the Taker/HHH match. I remember last year how everyone was posting how we weren't interested in their match. After HBK walk back up the ramp and said " I'm sorry Hunter, you can't beat him." we wanted to see the match.

Funny how Shawn became a good promo after he retired.
All the good promo and push in the world won't save this match if Taker can't go at Mania level.

 

[chrislee]

Dirtyd's dislike for Punk his clouding is view. Punk is one of the better wrestlers on the roster. You put a vet like Jericho who can go with the best of them and they will deliver. Punk may not be in the last match on the card at Mania but he's in a WWE title match and this is one of his biggest matches of his career. It's time for Punk to put up or shut up.

 

[dirtyd]

Dirtyd's dislike for Punk his clouding is view. Punk is one of the better wrestlers on the roster. You put a vet like Jericho who can go with the best of them and they will deliver. Punk may not be in the last match on the card at Mania but he's in a WWE title match and this is one of his biggest matches of his career. It's time for Punk to put up or shut up.

Read carefully i never said he can't wrestle i just said since his MITB his matches have become sloppy, ppv wise he's been good but his tv matches have diminished quite a bit. Obviously he can go so for me to say he can't would be asinine which is why i didn't say that. Put up or shut up is what i've been saying because since he's come back he's been pretty much a JAG.

My feeling is their match could be Jericho v Edge II at Mania 26 which was good but not memorable, looking back maybe Edge's neck was the reason why it wasn't a classic. As for Dave you have to admit outside of the Ziggler & DB matches on raw his matches have been forgettable.

 

[chrislee]

I know exactly what you meant Dirtyd. I was just pointing out that you're not one of Punks's biggest supporters. But how much blame can you really put on Punk for him not putting on a 5 star match with everyone he steps in the ring with. Del Rio & Swagger are both two good wrestlers but not even legends and hall of famers always have great matches.

 

[dirtyd]

I know exactly what you meant Dirtyd. I was just pointing out that you're not one of Punks's biggest supporters. But how much blame can you really put on Punk for him not putting on a 5 star match with everyone he steps in the ring with. Del Rio & Swagger are both two good wrestlers but not even legends and hall of famers always have great matches.

Exactly not everyone has 5 star matches all the time which is why me bringing up his minimal regression was not a big deal. Im not a big supporter because Punk does have a rep gojg all the way back to his indy days of being a bit holier than thou, that never sits well with me when wrestlers are like that. The Kliq were notorious for that attitudewhich is why when WCW died they did as well. If you notice with Punk he's only friends behind the scenes with wrestlers who he considers beneath him, and he's come out and said he doesn't get along well with Orton Cena & HHH(although not many get along with Mr. Stephanie Mcmahon).

Personally idc who he's friends with in his personal life but the company a person keeps can say a lot about an individual. I don't want anyone to fail because when they do it hurts the business, but i also don't like it when they try and shove a wrestler in my face and he's not delivering consistently.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Read carefully i never said he can't wrestle i just said since his MITB his matches have become sloppy, ppv wise he's been good but his tv matches have diminished quite a bit. Obviously he can go so for me to say he can't would be asinine which is why i didn't say that. Put up or shut up is what i've been saying because since he's come back he's been pretty much a JAG.

My feeling is their match could be Jericho v Edge II at Mania 26 which was good but not memorable, looking back maybe Edge's neck was the reason why it wasn't a classic. As for Dave you have to admit outside of the Ziggler & DB matches on raw his matches have been forgettable.

His Raw matches, except the Bryan and Cena ones, have all been blah but tv matches and ppv matches operate under different rules and can make a good matchup ordinary. Plus, they shouldn't give it away on free tv, just whet the appetite.

Exactly not everyone has 5 star matches all the time which is why me bringing up his minimal regression was not a big deal. Im not a big supporter because Punk does have a rep gojg all the way back to his indy days of being a bit holier than thou, that never sits well with me when wrestlers are like that. The Kliq were notorious for that attitudewhich is why when WCW died they did as well. If you notice with Punk he's only friends behind the scenes with wrestlers who he considers beneath him, and he's come out and said he doesn't get along well with Orton Cena & HHH(although not many get along with Mr. Stephanie Mcmahon).

Personally idc who he's friends with in his personal life but the company a person keeps can say a lot about an individual. I don't want anyone to fail because when they do it hurts the business, but i also don't like it when they try and shove a wrestler in my face and he's not delivering consistently.

The attitude of Punk and the Kliq are two way different animals. Those guys were in business completely for themselves and cut down anyone who got in their way, business be damned.

Punk's friends with the guys he works with or was friends with on the indy scene, their status is irrelevent. I doubt he would have a problem with Orton or HHH if they hadn't been burying him his first three years with the company. He and Cena seem to get along well enough but not being best buds doesn't equal not getting along.

I hate when the company shoves a guy down our throats too but usually the problem is how they do it. Bryan is getting a push but not in a way where he looks good, not much different than Rock getting pushed early while he was still green and giving the dullest gimmick in wrestling.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

A couple other things

You see Cole heeling AJ? He's just an odd character that makes no sense.

They're really wasting an opportunity at Mania. HHH and Taker could be in matches that elevate two younger guys but they choose to give us a retread match.

 

[theegokiller]

Here is my take. I think WWE should just have 6 pay per views a year anyway. It's like a pay per view every two weeks!!!! So, what's going to make Mania, which is the grand daddy of them all, any different from Elimination Chamber. If anything, the Elimination Chamber match should be at Wrestlemania. I honestly don't know how the Rock Cena match is really going to be that good when you really can't have a clear winner. I don't see Cena beating Rock or vice versa. Mania has sucked for years, and they need to fix it fast.

This is one of the many reasons why I hate that there isn't another major wrestling company that is forcing WWE to really be competitive. They can give you anything and you have to take it, because they know you have no other place to go. The Attitude Era was birthed from the ass beating they took from WCW.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Here is my take. I think WWE should just have 6 pay per views a year anyway. It's like a pay per view every two weeks!!!! So, what's going to make Mania, which is the grand daddy of them all, any different from Elimination Chamber. If anything, the Elimination Chamber match should be at Wrestlemania. I honestly don't know how the Rock Cena match is really going to be that good when you really can't have a clear winner. I don't see Cena beating Rock or vice versa. Mania has sucked for years, and they need to fix it fast.

This is one of the many reasons why I hate that there isn't another major wrestling company that is forcing WWE to really be competitive. They can give you anything and you have to take it, because they know you have no other place to go. The Attitude Era was birthed from the ass beating they took from WCW.

I agree and I think they do too but they're reliant on the income. Even if a show only does 180k, that's still 180k at $45 a pop, plus ten dollars for HD in for some systems.
But I've heard the plan is to move some of them to the WWE Network.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

A couple other things

You see Cole heeling AJ? He's just an odd character that makes no sense.

im sure if big show/daniel bryan have a match at either mania or the next smackdown she'll fully side w/ daniel..make it look like show was trying to protect her but it turns out she was playing him all along

 

[Upgrade Dave]

im sure if big show/daniel bryan have a match at either mania or the next smackdown she'll fully side w/ daniel..make it look like show was trying to protect her but it turns out she was playing him all along

Turning her would be a good idea.

 

[dirtyd]

A couple other things

You see Cole heeling AJ? He's just an odd character that makes no sense.

They're really wasting an opportunity at Mania. HHH and Taker could be in matches that elevate two younger guys but they choose to give us a retread match.

Cole is exactly what's wrong with the company, they don't know when something is past expiration. Heel Lawler was great because he was the perfect mix of heel/color commentator, cole goes overboard in his attempt to stay on Vince's good side. Vince is also to blame because he & cole come up with a lot of that bullshit.

His Raw matches, except the Bryan and Cena ones, have all been blah but tv matches and ppv matches operate under different rules and can make a good matchup ordinary. Plus, they shouldn't give it away on free tv, just whet the appetite.




The attitude of Punk and the Kliq are two way different animals. Those guys were in business completely for themselves and cut down anyone who got in their way, business be damned.

Punk's friends with the guys he works with or was friends with on the indy scene, their status is irrelevent. I doubt he would have a problem with Orton or HHH if they hadn't been burying him his first three years with the company. He and Cena seem to get along well enough but not being best buds doesn't equal not getting along.

I hate when the company shoves a guy down our throats too but usually the problem is how they do it. Bryan is getting a push but not in a way where he looks good, not much different than Rock getting pushed early while he was still green and giving the dullest gimmick in wrestling.

This is pro wrestling everyone is in business for themselves.

They have more freedom on ppvs but even on tv you have to be consistent and all im saying is he hasn't been nothing more nothing less. To be honest the fact that he's champ and he can't close the show is embarrassing, that night where he Ryder & DB stood in the ring together was the worst thing that could've happened to them.

 

[mrdiego2020]

he's in his own hall of pain now

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Cole is exactly what's wrong with the company, they don't know when something is past expiration. Heel Lawler was great because he was the perfect mix of heel/color commentator, cole goes overboard in his attempt to stay on Vince's good side. Vince is also to blame because he & cole come up with a lot of that bullshit.

You know I agree.

This is pro wrestling everyone is in business for themselves.

No. There's a way to go about business without being a self serving destruction son of bitch. They didn't know the difference and the shitty ratings and atttendance proved it. As long as they got all the main events and belts, they were happy.

They have more freedom on ppvs but even on tv you have to be consistent and all im saying is he hasn't been nothing more nothing less. To be honest the fact that he's champ and he can't close the show is embarrassing, that night where he Ryder & DB stood in the ring together was the worst thing that could've happened to them.

It's not his embarassment, it's theirs. The question should be "How did they fuck up the hottest guy in the business this past summer?" not "What's wrong with Punk ?" They close the show with the horrible Cena-Kane storyline so maybe they need to both let Punk do Punk and educate their fans to something other than cartoon bullshit.
Ryder was hot too but they made sure to kill that and Bryan hadn't won a match in months and now he's the World champ. It's in the presentation, not the talent.
For example, Punk walked out and did nothing. For an example of how to do that right, when James Storm and Jeff Hardy came into the ring with Bully Ray and Bobby Roode two weeks ago on Impact! it was "Fuck talking, I'm kicking his ass!" Considering how this dude just attacked you physically last week and talk shit about you just now, why are you posing? Who would do that in real life? Who books this fake ass shit?
And how will some people buy Cody Rhodes as a real main eventer if he's getting beat by Khali on Raw? Beating Justin Gabriel on SD is meaningless. Then he'll flop as champ and somehow it will be his fault.

 

[mrdiego2020]

Cole is exactly what's wrong with the company, they don't know when something is past expiration. Heel Lawler was great because he was the perfect mix of heel/color commentator, cole goes overboard in his attempt to stay on Vince's good side. Vince is also to blame because he & cole come up with a lot of that bullshit.



This is pro wrestling everyone is in business for themselves.

They have more freedom on ppvs but even on tv you have to be consistent and all im saying is he hasn't been nothing more nothing less. To be honest the fact that he's champ and he can't close the show is embarrassing, that night where he Ryder & DB stood in the ring together was the worst thing that could've happened to them.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

RAW RATINGS
by Dave Scherer @ 6:04 PM on 2/7/2012

The 2/6 edition of Raw did a rounded up 3.3 rating, with 4,619,000 viewers. Hour one did a 3.34 and hour two did a 3.17. The show lost 362,000 viewers from hour one to hour two.


Ratings drop from Hour One to Two again. A trend that was happening long before CM Punk became champ. Apparently, no one can close out Raw as long as the show is this terrible.

 

[dirtyd]

RAW RATINGS
by Dave Scherer @ 6:04 PM on 2/7/2012

The 2/6 edition of Raw did a rounded up 3.3 rating, with 4,619,000 viewers. Hour one did a 3.34 and hour two did a 3.17. The show lost 362,000 viewers from hour one to hour two.


Ratings drop from Hour One to Two again. A trend that was happening long before CM Punk became champ. Apparently, no one can close out Raw as long as the show is this terrible.

The show did suck but who was in the main event? Final shot

No. There's a way to go about business without being a self serving destruction son of bitch. They didn't know the difference and the shitty ratings and atttendance proved it. As long as they got all the main events and belts, they were happy.




It's not his embarassment, it's theirs. The question should be "How did they fuck up the hottest guy in the business this past summer?" not "What's wrong with Punk ?" They close the show with the horrible Cena-Kane storyline so maybe they need to both let Punk do Punk and educate their fans to something other than cartoon bullshit.
Ryder was hot too but they made sure to kill that and Bryan hadn't won a match in months and now he's the World champ. It's in the presentation, not the talent.
For example, Punk walked out and did nothing. For an example of how to do that right, when James Storm and Jeff Hardy came into the ring with Bully Ray and Bobby Roode two weeks ago on Impact! it was "Fuck talking, I'm kicking his ass!" Considering how this dude just attacked you physically last week and talk shit about you just now, why are you posing? Who would do that in real life? Who books this fake ass shit?
And how will some people buy Cody Rhodes as a real main eventer if he's getting beat by Khali on Raw? Beating Justin Gabriel on SD is meaningless. Then he'll flop as champ and somehow it will be his fault.

Everyone is in business for themselves but you're right in that Hogan & Nash did it the worst way possible.

As for Punk doing what they did on impact he won't because his whole thing is to outsmart you instead of getting to the point, and that's fine but not after he whipped your ass the prior week

You're right about Rhodes he's hitting his stride but i swear the creative team has shit for brains, im starting to wonder if HHH has any brains as well.

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

RAW RATINGS
by Dave Scherer @ 6:04 PM on 2/7/2012

The 2/6 edition of Raw did a rounded up 3.3 rating, with 4,619,000 viewers. Hour one did a 3.34 and hour two did a 3.17. The show lost 362,000 viewers from hour one to hour two.


Ratings drop from Hour One to Two again. A trend that was happening long before CM Punk became champ. Apparently, no one can close out Raw as long as the show is this terrible.

I wish this would encourage them to make some changes but it won't.

I watched Raw on Youtube last night and I liked it so much better that way because I got to zip through all the bullshit. I watch Raw in like 30 minutes.

 

[chrislee]

Here's that botched double clothesline by the Miz I was talking about from Monday.



Random video

Dumb bitch

 

[Simply Sickenin']

Update on Shaq-WWE
Date Added: February 09, 2012
Story By: Marc Middleton
Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

- If things go through with Shaquille O'Neal wrestling Big Show at WrestleMania 28, look for him to appear on the March 5th RAW Supershow from Boston. The Rock will also be on RAW that night from John Cena's hometown.

Looks like Cena's in for another verbal beat down from the hometown crowd ​

 

[Upgrade Dave]

The show did suck but who was in the main event? Final shot

Who would have been better in the main event?

Everyone is in business for themselves but you're right in that Hogan & Nash did it the worst way possible.

Don't forget Michaels. That guy was just a horrible human being in those years.

As for Punk doing what they did on impact he won't because his whole thing is to outsmart you instead of getting to the point, and that's fine but not after he whipped your ass the prior week

Doesn't matter what his thing is, book him to want to kick Jericho's ass on sight, simple as that.

You're right about Rhodes he's hitting his stride but i swear the creative team has shit for brains, im starting to wonder if HHH has any brains as well.

Cody has world champion potential but they can't have him lose to a nobody like Khali, even in tag matches. Rhodes and Barrett are doing their thing on SD but when they get drafted to Raw (that's how it always works, the hottest guys go to Raw), I expect them to end up looking like shit just like Ziggler and Swagger.

 

[c_commander]

Here's that botched double clothesline by the Miz I was talking about from Monday.

Well when you're preoccupied by behind the scenes shit consisting of being blamed for something that isn't/wasn't your fault things are going to suffer.

Random video

Dumb bitch

I guess she was too busy trying to find a wrestler to fuck and make her his girlfriend.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Well when you're preoccupied by behind the scenes shit consisting of being blamed for something that isn't/wasn't your fault things are going to suffer.

It must be nerve racking to have gone from the main event of Mania to the shithouse in less than a year for something that's not your fault.

 

[dirtyd]

Well when you're preoccupied by behind the scenes shit consisting of being blamed for something that isn't/wasn't your fault things are going to suffer.


I guess she was too busy trying to find a wrestler to fuck and make her his girlfriend.

I think she's dating Cody Rhodes, as for Miz the report is he seems content with being a mid-card at the moment

Who would have been better in the main event?




Don't forget Michaels. That guy was just a horrible human being in those years.



Doesn't matter what his thing is, book him to want to kick Jericho's ass on sight, simple as that.



Cody has world champion potential but they can't have him lose to a nobody like Khali, even in tag matches. Rhodes and Barrett are doing their thing on SD but when they get drafted to Raw (that's how it always works, the hottest guys go to Raw), I expect them to end up looking like shit just like Ziggler and Swagger.

Cena vs Jericho with Punk interfering near the end and Kane chokeslamming Cena to close the show.

Do you remember the kick heard during Austin's post WM XIV press conference? That was Michaels kicking the exit door open trying to take some attention away from him, he was still pissed and wanted one last "look at me" moment

This is the WWE when do they ever do the simple solution?

It's weird that people lose momentum when they go to the flagship show

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Cena vs Jericho with Punk interfering near the end and Kane chokeslamming Cena to close the show.

The ratings went down in the second half under Cena too and they went down the week of Jericho's debut with them advertising his reveal in the second hour. This week, Jericho was in the main event and they had Cena and Kane close the show. At this point, it doesn't matter who is in the final hour, as long as they're booking the show as they are, a large number of people are going to tune out.

Do you remember the kick heard during Austin's post WM XIV press conference? That was Michaels kicking the exit door open trying to take some attention away from him, he was still pissed and wanted one last "look at me" moment

Yeah, he was a bitch and was on his way to making the list of guys who die too soon. I'm glad he's got his life and attitude turned around.

This is the WWE when do they ever do the simple solution?

It's weird that people lose momentum when they go to the flagship show

Good question.

It's not weird to me anymore. I know Vince doesn't watch anything else but it comes across like he doesn't even watch Smackdown. They have more freedom on Smackdown and it shows with good strong pushes for heels (not great but much better than what they get on Raw). But when they get to Raw, the heels can't be too strong and none of the babyfaces are allowed to get to Cena's level. If he was a more political guy, I would think John had something to do with it but he reminds me of Ric Flair in WCW in the 90s: whatever the company needs, I'll do no matter how stupid.

 

[dirtyd]

I know the rating were treading downwards under Cena but it was never to the degree it is now, btw how do you make it to where you respond to each ? separately.

 

[c_commander]

It must be nerve racking to have gone from the main event of Mania to the shithouse in less than a year for something that's not your fault.

And yet they wonder why there is so little main event talent in the company. It's simple they continually cut the legs from underneath guys and it's been happening for years. It seems like every year there are 2-4 guys who we has big fans look at and think this guy could or should be huge by the end of the year and without fail they blow it. They did it with Miz, they did it with Del Rio, they wasted Christian, it looks like they're gonna blow it with Bryan and they wasted it with Ryder(in a storyline that he wasn't even a participant in truly) and they've done it with guys who are no longer in the company. And from what I can tell they're doing they're best with Rhodes, McIntyre and possibly Ziggler to do it with them. And if they move Rhodes to Raw that will be the final confirmation of it. Jobbing him to Khali who has been back for 2 weeks, who sucks in the ring and who the fans could care less about. If it this is about India then they should have just signed Sonjay Dutt and called it a day.

 

[c_commander]

It's not weird to me anymore. I know Vince doesn't watch anything else but it comes across like he doesn't even watch Smackdown. They have more freedom on Smackdown and it shows with good strong pushes for heels (not great but much better than what they get on Raw). But when they get to Raw, the heels can't be too strong and none of the babyfaces are allowed to get to Cena's level. If he was a more political guy, I would think John had something to do with it but he reminds me of Ric Flair in WCW in the 90s: whatever the company needs, I'll do no matter how stupid.

There was one dumb thing that Flair wouldn't do. Change his gimmick to that of a Roman gladiator even though the Black Scorpion thing was dumb.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

And yet they wonder why there is so little main event talent in the company. It's simple they continually cut the legs from underneath guys and it's been happening for years. It seems like every year there are 2-4 guys who we has big fans look at and think this guy could or should be huge by the end of the year and without fail they blow it. They did it with Miz, they did it with Del Rio, they wasted Christian, it looks like they're gonna blow it with Bryan and they wasted it with Ryder(in a storyline that he wasn't even a participant in truly) and they've done it with guys who are no longer in the company. And from what I can tell they're doing they're best with Rhodes, McIntyre and possibly Ziggler to do it with them. And if they move Rhodes to Raw that will be the final confirmation of it. Jobbing him to Khali who has been back for 2 weeks, who sucks in the ring and who the fans could care less about. If it this is about India then they should have just signed Sonjay Dutt and called it a day.

If they brought in Khali to fill in for Mark Henry, that is not an equal trade. They've put themselves in this position that now with key guys injured, they have few options going into the biggest time of the year for them.
They used an old Mick Foley, Michael Cole, Kharma, Booker, Lawler for the Rumble and few if any of the guys from NXT. If you built up guys, you could quickly plug in spots when you lose a Rey Mysterio or a Del Rio. ECW used to lose guys all the time to WCW and WWF and they just got some new guys and made them look credible.
And it's not like they don't know how to do it, they just don't. When they got serious about Mark Henry, it worked. When they got serious about Cody, it worked. Do that for Curt Hawkins and/or Tyler Reks, who was getting a push and then they killed it. Why are they jobbing out Alex Riley? Percy Watson got over on NXT but they keep him there, don't give him mic time and took his gimmick.
Bill Watts would have fired all them summbitches on Creative a long time ago.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

There was one dumb thing that Flair wouldn't do. Change his gimmick to that of a Roman gladiator even though the Black Scorpion thing was dumb.

Oh yeah, the legendary Spartacus.

But that muhfucka put over everybody. Even when he got fired in 91, he was still trying to put over Barry Windham before he left.

 

[Simply Sickenin']

Well when you're preoccupied by behind the scenes shit consisting of being blamed for something that isn't/wasn't your fault things are going to suffer.

It must be nerve racking to have gone from the main event of Mania to the shithouse in less than a year for something that's not your fault.

I completely missed that botched when I first watched Raw, and to be honest, I think that's becasue of the way they handled it. Miz quickly realized his mistake, so he hopped back up and took the bump correctly the second time and Jericho never stopped running forward. They both sold the move, even through the initial fuck-up. Unlike a guy like Orton that would have gotten pissed off and started to break character (i.e. the Kofi situation)​

It's not weird to me anymore. I know Vince doesn't watch anything else but it comes across like he doesn't even watch Smackdown. They have more freedom on Smackdown and it shows with good strong pushes for heels (not great but much better than what they get on Raw). But when they get to Raw, the heels can't be too strong and none of the babyfaces are allowed to get to Cena's level. If he was a more political guy, I would think John had something to do with it but he reminds me of Ric Flair in WCW in the 90s: whatever the company needs, I'll do no matter how stupid.

That is the main reason why I HATE the draft. When guys are on Smackdown they have much more freedom over their characters and the general direction of the storylines. They don't have Vince barking orders at everyone in the back. The show is also tape instead of being live, which allows them to review a segment three days in advance and realize that it didn't work and shouldn't be aired.

Every year, whenever the draft comes around, it seems like Vince just ask some writer to point to whoever is on Smackdown that people are liking so they can move him to Raw. He never takes the time to look into the situation himself and see if the guy would even fit into the Raw system and more often then not, the person doesn't. They have a big debut match the week after the draft, then you never see their ass again. ​

I know the rating were treading downwards under Cena but it was never to the degree it is now, btw how do you make it to where you respond to each ? separately.

Hit the multiquote button on each comment that you want to respond to. They should light up red.
Then when you hit reply, all those comments will be there to comment to. ​

 

[dirtyd]

Hit the multiquote button on each comment that you want to respond to. They should light up red.
Then when you hit reply, all those comments will be there to comment to. ​

I know how to do that i mean responding to one persons post like how Dave did with one of my responses. Like if i have 3 topics in one post people can quote each one and respond.

Rock Cursing on Sportscenter

 

[Simply Sickenin']

I know how to do that i mean responding to one persons post like how Dave did with one of my responses. Like if i have 3 topics in one post people can quote each one and respond.

The only way I know is to do it the long way and manually create

[ /qoute] boxes around each section of the post that you want to comment to separately

Rock Cursing on Sportscenter

That's really the interviewer fault. I mean, ask a stupid question .... ​