Interesting. I've skipped this thread until now and I found it a nice read. I disagree with a lot of it but I enjoyed it.
Opinions of actinanass, Part 4: Black people, and the republican party
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Interesting. I've skipped this thread until now and I found it a nice read. I disagree with a lot of it but I enjoyed it.
You cannot deny the points I made a long time back about Gingrich and the incredible shifti of the GOP to the extreme far right. You didn't have to be a political junkie to have seen the metamorphosis taking place. The Tea Party is nothing more than the vehement GOP loyalists refusing to admit that GW gave them what they wanted and that it did not and cannot have worked.
Funny, I think that the modern democratic party have went far left.
Before you start, I actually liked Bill Clinton. There's few moderate democrats in congress *unless you count Libermann*.
Besides, if you sit on the opposite end of the political spectrum, you will think anything is to "far". You should know this Mr/Ms. Thought.
I cannot deny that at all. When men like McCain and Huntsman are considered "moderates", your party has gone very far to the Right.
Re: Black people, and the republican party
awwwwww pooor baby so basically you give a fuck now, because you know your parties party is offically over for a long time, to much bullshittery,
you wasnt talking all this cumbaya shit when the tea baggies werer feeling themselves three years ago.
buuuuut now that repbulicans MUST get a large percentage of the black vote to defeat Prez Obama you come with this bullshit fours years too late..
go back to your fuckin tea parties, and racist signs and slogans, go back to referrig to Our glorious beautiful highly intelligent First Lady Michelle as a fuckin animal, it took four years to realize you guys were shooting your self in the foot, so now your foot all shot up, ya walking with a limp and you want us to join your limpwalk to the voting boooth...
fuck that...
Obama 2012..... go back to your tea baggin parties!!
you still will pay for trying to make the klan acceptable.
thats all the tea party was hoodless klansmen!!!
yall overplayed your hand, and still havent folded....
you fuckin guys..
btw did I mention
Obama 2012 lol you libertarians hate that!!
awwwwww pooor baby so basically you give a fuck now, because you know your parties party is offically over for a long time, to much bullshittery,
you wasnt talking all this cumbaya shit when the tea baggies werer feeling themselves three years ago.
buuuuut now that repbulicans MUST get a large percentage of the black vote to defeat Prez Obama you come with this bullshit fours years too late..
go back to your fuckin tea parties, and racist signs and slogans, go back to referrig to Our glorious beautiful highly intelligent First Lady Michelle as a fuckin animal, it took four years to realize you guys were shooting your self in the foot, so now your foot all shot up, ya walking with a limp and you want us to join your limpwalk to the voting boooth...
fuck that...
Obama 2012..... go back to your tea baggin parties!!
you still will pay for trying to make the klan acceptable.
thats all the tea party was hoodless klansmen!!!
yall overplayed your hand, and still havent folded....
you fuckin guys..
btw did I mention
Obama 2012 lol you libertarians hate that!!
This is actinanass's excuse to disappear and not answer. I bet he couldn't name 6 Democratic Congress members and what they stand for.
I would like that too. The one true hard Left guy they had was Alan Grayson and he's gone, hopefully to be reelected in 2012 after losing his seat. Weiner was pretty strong but he could make some political pivots when he wanted but he's gone as well. Who are the politicians that pulled the Democratic Party far Left?
Can anyone define "hard right" & "hard left"?
All I see is BIG Govt & BIGGER Govt. The 2 are interchangeable depending on which party is in power. These phony-azz Republicans should've seen the BS when Bush doubled the size of govt, under the guise of "Compassionate Conservatism". The party of "limited govt"?
Real Talk.....Is Obama's 0% interest rate policy any different from Bush's 0% policy.
Is Obama's policy towards Pakistan any different from Bush's?
Bush had the Patriot Act, Obama got NDAA
What is the fuckin difference?
All I see is BIG Govt & BIGGER Govt. The 2 are interchangeable depending on which party is in power. These phony-azz Republicans should've seen the BS when Bush doubled the size of govt, under the guise of "Compassionate Conservatism". The party of "limited govt"?
Real Talk.....Is Obama's 0% interest rate policy any different from Bush's 0% policy.
Is Obama's policy towards Pakistan any different from Bush's?
Bush had the Patriot Act, Obama got NDAA
What is the fuckin difference?
Can anyone define "hard right" & "hard left"?
All I see is BIG Govt & BIGGER Govt. The 2 are interchangeable depending on which party is in power. These phony-azz Republicans should've seen the BS when Bush doubled the size of govt, under the guise of "Compassionate Conservatism". The party of "limited govt"?
Real Talk.....Is Obama's 0% interest rate policy any different from Bush's 0% policy.
Is Obama's policy towards Pakistan any different from Bush's?
Bush had the Patriot Act, Obama got NDAA
What is the fuckin difference?
That's your main problem!
And your main problem is that you can't deny any of the policies I've laid out
If you could, you would've done so already
Ok, compare JFK policies to the policies of Obama. Perfect example..
Now that's being specific.
*sigh* tax/spend policies...
Depending on what you are trying to do. If you trying to post all these bait threads I'm going to react this way.
For all this time I've been trying to speak the logical thing to do to fix our country. What do you do? Post a unflattering republican picture, or youtube. Like that means anything.
To answer que's question, Kennedy tax policies would not pass the senate today if it was an option.
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Hint: google "jfk tax cuts"
Exactly! What was the tax rate under JFK and compare that to Obama. I know this is a right wing radio talking point, because you can't elaborate on it,
source: http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977623449
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Exactly! What was the tax rate under JFK and compare that to Obama. I know this is a right wing radio talking point, because you can't elaborate on it,
source: http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977623449
this is what you're missing.
Kennedy actually wanted to cut taxes across the board. Obama, and democrats alike, want to raise taxes on the top 2%. That's the difference.
You're bringing up tax rates, Obama would have never propose a tax cut across the board. He only extend the Bush tax rates because advisers warned him. Not to mention, the republican didn't bulge on that issue. President Obama really wanted some republicans to agree on raising taxes so it could backfire this year. No republican bulged. Thus, the Bush tax rates were extended.
BTW, thanks for giving Bush props on Tax rates...
The federal individual income tax rates in 1964 (top rate dropped from 91% to 70%}, top corporate tax rate fell from 52% to 48%.
OK, lets go back to those 1964 JFK tax rates!
Revenue Act of 1964
Which led to the greatest economic collapse since the Great Depression.
Vote for Gingrich!
JFK & Obama are at the opposite ends of the spectrum in regards to tax policy. It's not a right wing - left wing argument, It's right vs wrong, period. Here's a quote from JFK's State of the Union (1963)
JFK believed in the people to "fix" the economy by allowing them to keep what they earned, in contrast, Obama wants you to trust the govt can "fix" the economy.
JFK & Obama are at the opposite ends of the spectrum in regards to tax policy. It's not a right wing - left wing argument, It's right vs wrong, period. Here's a quote from JFK's State of the Union (1963)
JFK believed in the people to "fix" the economy by allowing them to keep what they earned, in contrast, Obama wants you to trust the govt can "fix" the economy.
So, Reagan, and JFK had a bad economy too?
Like I said, if you want to go back to the federal tax rate of JFK's first term, I'm cool with that. The current federal tax rates are at a 50 year low!
Is that question?
So you didn't see the "?" huh?
While I agree that there is most likely just as much racism within the democratic party as there is in the republican party among individuals, it's the current republican party that has latched on racism in order to win elections and hold the party together. Can't blame all individual republicans for that of course, but it has been a major part of the party's M.O. for my whole lifetime, so I do blame the party. In a different time, the other party was equally as guilty, but over the last 45-50 years, the repubs own this.
Nothing wrong with being conservative, and there are conservatives in both parties, and although I generally disagree with social conservative principles and differ with at least some of the financial conservative principles, I can respect what others think, as long as they're not making shit up.
People should think no matter which party one is in, but neither the conservative movement or liberal movements require thought. Plenty of people on the right listen to and regurgitate Rush or Grover, or Buckley, etc... just as on the left, many do the same with their liberal counterparts.
If you are a conservative or liberal (or between) and actually think out your position/stance and can express your thoughts intelligently, much respect!
Nothing wrong with being conservative, and there are conservatives in both parties, and although I generally disagree with social conservative principles and differ with at least some of the financial conservative principles, I can respect what others think, as long as they're not making shit up.
People should think no matter which party one is in, but neither the conservative movement or liberal movements require thought. Plenty of people on the right listen to and regurgitate Rush or Grover, or Buckley, etc... just as on the left, many do the same with their liberal counterparts.
If you are a conservative or liberal (or between) and actually think out your position/stance and can express your thoughts intelligently, much respect!
I respect this. My motivation to not follow the crowd comes directly on how other communities *faced with some of the same hard ships the black community faces* thrive culturally, and financially than we have. We, the black community, do not need to look at the party's history. However, we need to look at how the ideology can help us as a whole. We both agreed that both parties have a racist past. The ideology didn't create racism, people's fear created that.
I feel that the democratic party takes the african american vote for granted. However, if we all branch out with our beliefs, we can gain the type of power we deserve. We can demand way more economic opportunities from both side because our vote will not be property of one party. I'm sick of our community being taken for granted.
This will never happened though. Thus, why our community will continue to be damage in every economic down turn...
Whether you believe the current tax rate is too low, it's a moot point! You must acknowledge the fundamental premise of JFK's message in his 1963 State of the Union; and that is:
Which is why many in my circles advocate 0% taxes to bring about the healthiest economy. Our gas tax is supposed to pay for roads & property tax goes towards the schools.
When taxes are lower, it allows for capital accumulation in the hands of entreprenuers who may have solutions to our biggest issues. Economic freedom is also popular, unleash a little American ingenuity, you'll see we can recover a whole lot faster!
Capital Investment + Productivity = Economic Growth
To further this debate, in search of the elusive truth: unmoot the point, taxes are at arguably historical lows and entrepreneurs have in fact accumulated, if not outright hoarded, capital -- yet, have not created work.
Work has been created............in Malaysia, China, Singapore, India etc; Why not here?
OK, I get it. Lamarr's vision of America. You definitely have a hard on for countries that regulated their economies.
source: New York Times
NY Times Investigation Confirms That Apple’s Factories In China Are Basically Slave Labor Camps
The day after Apple announced that it had doubled its profits last quarter on the strength of iPhone 4s sales, the New York Times has published a bombshell of a report on the conditions inside the Chinese factories that produce all the gadgets Apple fanatics crave, and it’s not pretty. In short, your iPhones, iPads, iPods, etc., are essentially being produced in slave labor camps.
Reports the Times:
Anyway, go read the full story when you have a few minutes free. It’ll at least give you something to think about next time you’re in the market for something Apple sells
source: New York Times
NY Times Investigation Confirms That Apple’s Factories In China Are Basically Slave Labor Camps
The day after Apple announced that it had doubled its profits last quarter on the strength of iPhone 4s sales, the New York Times has published a bombshell of a report on the conditions inside the Chinese factories that produce all the gadgets Apple fanatics crave, and it’s not pretty. In short, your iPhones, iPads, iPods, etc., are essentially being produced in slave labor camps.
Reports the Times:
Employees work excessive overtime, in some cases seven days a week, and live in crowded dorms. Some say they stand so long that their legs swell until they can hardly walk. Under-age workers have helped build Apple’s products, and the company’s suppliers have improperly disposed of hazardous waste and falsified records, according to company reports and advocacy groups that, within China, are often considered reliable, independent monitors.
More troubling, the groups say, is some suppliers’ disregard for workers’ health. Two years ago, 137 workers at an Apple supplier in eastern China were injured after they were ordered to use a poisonous chemical to clean iPhone screens. Within seven months last year, two explosions at iPad factories, including in Chengdu, killed four people and injured 77. Before those blasts, Apple had been alerted to hazardous conditions inside the Chengdu plant, according to a Chinese group that published that warning.
“If Apple was warned, and didn’t act, that’s reprehensible,” said Nicholas Ashford, a former chairman of the National Advisory Committee on Occupational Safety and Health, a group that advises the United States Labor Department. “But what’s morally repugnant in one country is accepted business practices in another, and companies take advantage of that.”
Even more troubling is that Apple executives know about what goes on in the factories, but turns a blind eye to it because doing something about it would likely stem the tidal waves of cash that continue to roll in.More troubling, the groups say, is some suppliers’ disregard for workers’ health. Two years ago, 137 workers at an Apple supplier in eastern China were injured after they were ordered to use a poisonous chemical to clean iPhone screens. Within seven months last year, two explosions at iPad factories, including in Chengdu, killed four people and injured 77. Before those blasts, Apple had been alerted to hazardous conditions inside the Chengdu plant, according to a Chinese group that published that warning.
“If Apple was warned, and didn’t act, that’s reprehensible,” said Nicholas Ashford, a former chairman of the National Advisory Committee on Occupational Safety and Health, a group that advises the United States Labor Department. “But what’s morally repugnant in one country is accepted business practices in another, and companies take advantage of that.”
Some former Apple executives say there is an unresolved tension within the company: executives want to improve conditions within factories, but that dedication falters when it conflicts with crucial supplier relationships or the fast delivery of new products…Executives at other corporations report similar internal pressures. This system may not be pretty, they argue, but a radical overhaul would slow innovation. Customers want amazing new electronics delivered every year.
“We’ve known about labor abuses in some factories for four years, and they’re still going on,” said one former Apple executive who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity because of confidentiality agreements. “Why? Because the system works for us. Suppliers would change everything tomorrow if Apple told them they didn’t have another choice.”
“If half of iPhones were malfunctioning, do you think Apple would let it go on for four years?” the executive asked.
Another alarming confirmation is that Apple is engaging in business tactics similar to that of Walmart, where the company puts the squeeze on suppliers to delivery products to them as cheaply as possible.“We’ve known about labor abuses in some factories for four years, and they’re still going on,” said one former Apple executive who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity because of confidentiality agreements. “Why? Because the system works for us. Suppliers would change everything tomorrow if Apple told them they didn’t have another choice.”
“If half of iPhones were malfunctioning, do you think Apple would let it go on for four years?” the executive asked.
Every month, officials at companies from around the world trek to Cupertino or invite Apple executives to visit their foreign factories, all in pursuit of a goal: becoming a supplier.
When news arrives that Apple is interested in a particular product or service, small celebrations often erupt. Whiskey is drunk. Karaoke is sung.
Then, Apple’s requests start.
Apple typically asks suppliers to specify how much every part costs, how many workers are needed and the size of their salaries. Executives want to know every financial detail. Afterward, Apple calculates how much it will pay for a part. Most suppliers are allowed only the slimmest of profits.
So suppliers often try to cut corners, replace expensive chemicals with less costly alternatives, or push their employees to work faster and longer, according to people at those companies.
“The only way you make money working for Apple is figuring out how to do things more efficiently or cheaper,” said an executive at one company that helped bring the iPad to market. “And then they’ll come back the next year, and force a 10 percent price cut.”
If I didn’t know any better I’d say that Apple appears to be pushing and pushing and pushing to see just how much they can get away with before a tipping point is reached and people become so genuinely disgusted that they flat-out refuse to buy Apple products any more. Of course, it doesn’t help that most of Apple’s competitor’s products just don’t stack up, making the decision to boycott an especially painful one. With seemingly so few legit alternatives to turn to, Apple might have to start actually murdering workers before that sort of breaking point is reached.When news arrives that Apple is interested in a particular product or service, small celebrations often erupt. Whiskey is drunk. Karaoke is sung.
Then, Apple’s requests start.
Apple typically asks suppliers to specify how much every part costs, how many workers are needed and the size of their salaries. Executives want to know every financial detail. Afterward, Apple calculates how much it will pay for a part. Most suppliers are allowed only the slimmest of profits.
So suppliers often try to cut corners, replace expensive chemicals with less costly alternatives, or push their employees to work faster and longer, according to people at those companies.
“The only way you make money working for Apple is figuring out how to do things more efficiently or cheaper,” said an executive at one company that helped bring the iPad to market. “And then they’ll come back the next year, and force a 10 percent price cut.”
Anyway, go read the full story when you have a few minutes free. It’ll at least give you something to think about next time you’re in the market for something Apple sells
Under your theory, jobs should have been created. Why not here ? ? ?
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