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We endured the Melodrama. We tolerated the CP3 fiasco. History may very well say that neither had anything on the Dwight Dilemma.

This is a nightmare facing the Orlando Magic, the possible and seemingly inevitable departure of Dwight Howard from central Florida to center stage somewhere else. Whether the Magic try to get a superstar, prospects and draft picks or simply keep Howard and dare him to take less money to leave, it already is shaping up to be a tenuous six weeks for the franchise that still hasn't lived down the loss of Shaquille O'Neal.

Rival executives say Magic GM Otis Smith has been keeping a low profile lately, and it doesn't appear that Howard is going anywhere soon. Sources said Howard's business and marketing reps engaged in a lengthy conference call this week to plan a party in Howard's honor during All-Star weekend in Orlando. They wouldn't be spending the money or expending the effort on such an extravaganza if Howard wasn't going to be representing the Magic in the All-Star Game in his home arena.

But here's the thing: The Magic might be able to make it through February with Howard, but not past the March 15 trade deadline. Not unless they're willing and prepared to watch him walk.

All the superstars in the recent conga line out of town have something in common: They got the team and city they wanted, and they got the max money, too. LeBron James got it in Miami, Carmelo Anthony got it in New York and Chris Paul got something in between; he got out of New Orleans and will have the chance to get max money from the Clippers if he wants to stay. With a new, more restrictive collective bargaining agreement, one of these stars with eyes for greener pastures eventually is going to have to put his money where his wanderlust is. One of them is going to have to stare at a big pile of money -- $25 to $30 million -- and pass it up on the way out of town.

Is Howard that guy? At 26, the fifth year and 3 percent more in raises that Orlando could offer him as a free agent next summer isn't as crucial as it sounds. This is especially true since, if Howard is still in Orlando the morning after the March 15 trade deadline, he'll know that he won't be able to do what James did to get to Miami. He won't be able to get max money in a sign-and-trade. And he can't do what Anthony did, because max money in an extend-and-trade is no longer an option in the new CBA.

If Howard wants to go to Dallas or Brooklyn, what difference would it make whether he made that additional $25 million in the last year of a five-year deal with Orlando or the first year of a new deal when he becomes a free agent again in 2016? As long as he stays healthy, the answer is simple: no difference.

If Howard wants to be a Laker, his only path there would be via trade. Would the Lakers give up Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum, who returned this week with three straight double-doubles and the first 20-20 game of his career? The Lakers say no, but that's easy to say in January when the trade deadline is in March. The Lakers very clearly are the wild card in the Howard scenario.

Rival execs are dubious that a Nets package centered around the injured Brook Lopez and first-round picks will be enough to entice Orlando. In that case, the Nets' bid to get a third team involved will be crucial to their efforts to add the one player who could persuade Deron Williams to embrace the organization and the move to Brooklyn. But with Williams' body language already suffering during the Nets' 1-6 start, observers say to be on the lookout for D-Will to soon lose his will to stay in New Jersey long enough to make it to the New York City boroughs.

"I don't think he feels it there," said a person who knows Williams and his tendencies well. "I could see him saying, 'I've got all the money. I can go back to Dallas. That's my home.' I don't see any spunk in his game right now. He's going through the motions."

This is where the Magic's nightmare scenario intersects with doomsday for the Nets. If the Magic elect not to trade Howard -- thus showing their fan base that they did everything in their power to keep him and he still wouldn't stay -- or trade him somewhere besides New Jersey, the Nets would be sunk. Having given up Derrick Favors, two first-round picks and Devin Harris for Williams, the Nets would be devastated if Williams passed up the money for a chance to return home to Dallas -- something those who know Williams say the headstrong point guard might just be bold enough to do.

Throw into the mix that with a couple of moves -- amnestying Brendan Haywood and buying out Lamar Odom -- the Mavs would have room for both Williams and Howard, and this cruel game of musical chairs could bring two franchises to their knees.

It's a tangled web, which we'll attempt to unravel in the rest of this week's Howard-heavy Postups:
 
If D12 isn't traded he and Deron should walk to Dallas. Unless the Nets get creative with their plans, it's looking less likely that D12 and Dwill end in Brooklyn.
 
Seems like I'm saying the same thing over and over.

Dwight only becomes a maverick if the Magic don't trade him.

He is the Magic owner.

Dwight Howard says he doesn’t think he’ll be traded before the all-star game in Orlando on Feb. 26, adding the Magic might not even deal him before the March 15 deadline.

Howard needs new sources.

Owner Rich DeVos and family have given the order: Unless Howard changes his mind, the Magic will deal Dwight and not let him walk like Shaq did 15 years ago.

I'm not feeling it any more but Dwight will be a Net

Otis Smith said this Sunday night

"Has anything changed with Dwight's situation?" Robbins asked. "No," Smith responded.

"Has he pulled back the trade request?" Robbins asked. "No," Smith responded.

"Has he expanded his list of preferred destinations?" Robbins finally asked. "Not to my knowledge," Smith responded.

So with the Nets sucking likely to miss the playoffs Dwight still has them as his top team. Hell don't feel bad if your confuse. Otis Smith doesn't even get it well he did say this.

Otis Smith: "I think [Dwight] leaving or going has nothing to do w/ ORL. I think he wants a bigger market. I can't do anything about that."


Dallas can't bring no one to their knees they are only in play in July by that time Dwight will be traded.

Dallas played their self
 
So what if D12 exercises his 2012-2013 option and stays in Orlando another year? Then what?

Then more teams can get into the fun, including the Clippers who can parlay D'andre Jordan and future firsts? Or the Lake show again, or the Bulls, etc.

I dont see him getting traded this season. There is no rush for Orlando. D12 won't walk away from the guaranteed cash.
 
This breaks it down perfect

Due to the lockout, the NBA’s trade deadline is not until March 15th – giving teams just over two months to reshuffle the deck. Some will gear up for a playoff run. Others will embrace their lack of immediate success and look for future considerations.

The biggest piece of course is Dwight Howard, who has requested a trade. Sources indicate the Orlando Magic will seriously consider moving him after the All-Star Break.

Because the new Collective Bargaining Agreement has taken the teeth out of sign and trades (limiting contracts to four years and lower raises), extend and trades and regular extensions, the only way for Howard to get five full years and 7.5% raises is to re-sign with his existing team.

That’s why it’s in his best interest, financially, to be on whatever team he re-signs with before the trade deadline.

If Howard’s next contract starts at $19 million, a five-year deal would pay him $109 million while a four-year falls $28 million short at $81 million.

It may be worthy gamble for the Magic to assume Howard won’t leave that money on the table.

Certainly the team would prefer to bring in pieces to try and entice Howard to stay but as quoted by Josh Robbins in the Orlando Sentinel, Magic General Manager Otis Smith admitted, “I think his leaving or going has nothing to do with Orlando . . . I think he wants a bigger market. I can’t do anything about that.”

If Smith truly believes what he told Robbins, the Magic need to get the best return available for the top center in the NBA.

While letting Howard leave without compensation would open up some cap space, it’s a negligible amount in 2012 (especially if the team intends to keep J.J Redick and Ryan Anderson).

Orlando could be looking at significant cap space in 2013 but if that’s the case, wouldn’t expiring contracts (or players with one year left) along with draft considerations be better than a zero return?

The Magic, at Howard’s request, have given his agent permission to speak with three teams – the New Jersey Nets, Los Angeles Lakers and Dallas Mavericks.

While it’s certainly possible Orlando either keeps him past the deadline or even trades him to a team not on his list, the status of Brook Lopez should be clear after All-Star. It may come down to a decision between Lopez’s foot and Andrew Bynum’s knees . . .

How much would an unexpected team be willing to give up in assets to Orlando on the gamble that Howard won’t walk away from $28 million?

How significant is that last year given this probably won’t be Dwight’s final contract? How big of a say do his sponsors have in this transaction, most notably ADIDAS?

There are many questions and a number of teams that will make a run if he does hit free agency . . .

New Jersey Nets the Favorite?

The future of the Nets appears to be entirely tied to Howard’s decision. If he doesn’t come, can New Jersey keep Deron Williams who is already quite miserable in a losing situation (but then the Lopez injury was a major, major setback for the roster)?

The Nets reportedly were close to a deal during the offseason before the Magic decided to hold. Now Jersey is over the cap but can still fashion something around Lopez and pieces in February/March.

In free agency, the Nets don’t have to make any significant moves to come up with over $17 million in cap space (other than renounce free agents like Kris Humphries, Mehmet Okur, DeShawn Stevenson, Sundiata Gaines, etc.). If Howard needs $19 to start, perhaps a suitor for Jordan Farmar, Shawne Williams or Anthony Morrow can be found.

Worst case scenario, New Jersey can set restricted free agent Brook Lopez free to open in space but in theory the Nets may be able to field a team with Deron, Howard, Shawne, MarShon Brooks and a re-signed Lopez at power forward.

If that fails and Deron walks as a free agent, New Jersey could have something like $38 million in cap space this summer to spend on the next tier of free agents (Steve Nash, Raymond Felton, Andre Miller, Nick Young, Humphries and the like) but that’s a tremendous drop off in talent/age.

The advantage the Nets have is their impending move to Brooklyn, a billionaire owner and the ability to pair the two top free agents together.

Be it by trade or free agency, New Jersey should still be considered the favorite.

One additional note, Humphries can veto any midseason trade if he desires as a player re-signed with Bird Rights to a one-year deal.

Dallas Mavericks May Not Have Room for Two

Also on Howard’s list, Dallas let key pieces of their championship core go in free agency for the chance to have a crack at Dwight this summer.

The Mavs can go from a tax team this season to a spender in free agency in July. Lamar Odom’s $8.2 million is only $2.4 million guaranteed. Vince Carter’s $3.1 million has approximately $2 million in guarantees (although the exact number on Carter is unconfirmed).

It wouldn’t be easy for Dallas but they’d have to renounce the rights to Jason Terry and Jason Kidd. Next the Mavs would have to cut either Brendan Haywood or Shawn Marion with their Amnesty Clause.

All that and they’d have about the $17 million necessary to offer Deron Williams but not the $19 million for Howard.

Pieces like Rodrigue Beaubois and/or Dominique Jones may need to be traded away for the Mavericks to gain enough for a max offer to Dwight.

It’s been reported that the Mavs are pushing to make a run at both Howard and Williams but that may not be possible without multiple trades.

If Haywood was gone via amnesty, would Dallas be able to find a team willing to take on Shawn Marion’s deal without sending any salary that sticks in 2012?

The Mavs might need to be out of Odom and/or Carter’s contracts in trade instead of keeping their guaranteed portions on the books.

It’s not to say it’s impossible for Dallas to make a run at both Deron and Howard (perhaps via sign and trade) but the math suggests it’s one or the other.

Lakers with no Cap Space

The Lakers would need a sign and trade if Howard or Williams lasts until the summer. LA might be willing to go as far as offering Pau Gasol, Bynum and filler to bring in both but one may be a long-shot, let alone two.

To date, LA has been adamant they won’t consider both Gasol and Bynum just for Howard.


That's why I don't get the whole Dallas can bring the Magic and Nets to their knees :lol::lol:

Dallas can't trade for him.

Orlando isn't going to let him walk for nothing

So Dallas isn't even relevant right now.

Remember to get in position as it says right now they have to start getting rid of players soon. Like next month.

Alex Kennedy broke it down Sunday

If Deron and Dwight want to play together, one of the three following scenarios would have to happen…

1. One of them would have to sacrifice money in free agency.
2. Both of them would have to sacrifice money in free agency.
3. Dwight would have to be traded to the Nets.

That’s it.

So Dwight going to the Nets both players get what they want
 
I'm saying the Russian is paying Dwight under the table and including all the white russian bitches he could want.
 
So what if D12 exercises his 2012-2013 option and stays in Orlando another year? Then what?

Then more teams can get into the fun, including the Clippers who can parlay D'andre Jordan and future firsts? Or the Lake show again, or the Bulls, etc.

I dont see him getting traded this season. There is no rush for Orlando. D12 won't walk away from the guaranteed cash.

Orlando isn't going to take that risk.

Remember he would have to do it before the trade deadline.

Remember he has to June to exercise the option.


The Devos are not letting that happen. Come March 15 Dwight will be gone.

Otis Smith said it himself Sunday Dwight is the reason why other teams have not got involved.

The Bulls tried and Dwight's people told them he wasn't interested.

Same with the Clippers. Hell the Hawks made an offer and Dwight people said no.

This has nothing to do about winning or contending. This is about money.

Dwight wants Brooklyn.

It is what it is.

Hell the Nets are about to be stupid and give up on Brooks for fucking JJ Reddick :smh::smh::smh:
 
See Killa, I see why some posters critique you. You just rehash other rumors and opinions without attempting to articulate an independent position.

Question: what is the rationale for Orlando to take the Nets shit sandwich? You saw the haul New Orleans got for CP3, you saw what Denver got for Melo. Do you honestly believe, fuck Alex Kennedy or whatever blogger, that the Magic will cave and take Brook freaking Lopez and 3 low end 1sts for D12, the best center in the game?

Really, Lopez is not a building block. He's Chris Kaman.

Orlando has all the time in the world to maximize their return for D12. He isn't goin to opt out this Summer and take less than max money. That's why this CBA is great. Which superstar will be the idiot to leave their franchise high and dry just out of spite while foregoing $25 million? :lol:

We have not seen one yet.

This is all in the Lakers court. They got to decide whether they want Bynum
 
He has until June to exercise his option. If the Magic hold pat, you are telling me he will opt out just to walk to Brooklyn???

Sorry fam I don't see that at all.

These boys are all about the money.
 
He has until June to exercise his option. If the Magic hold pat, you are telling me he will opt out just to walk to Brooklyn???

Sorry fam I don't see that at all.

These boys are all about the money.

That's why they has to be money under the table. The Nets are a shitty team right now. And yeah deron is a beast and Brooks is a ROY candidate but besides that??? Also the nets are trading they're picks and taking Hedo... That sounds like a team that is not going to win it all anytime soon. Dwight is doing it for money and the Nyets owner is a billionaire running for Russian president. You guys really think he is scared of the leagues rules? He is matching wits with Putin for his day job. This shit is a game to him literally ( which is exactly what it is but I digress)

Someone wrote an article saying he bought the Nyets and is forcing this trade to make it difficult for Putin to assassinate or arrest him since he is a well known figure in America. Either way this whole trade is suspect.
 
See Killa, I see why some posters critique you. You just rehash other rumors and opinions without attempting to articulate an independent position.

Question: what is the rationale for Orlando to take the Nets shit sandwich? You saw the haul New Orleans got for CP3, you saw what Denver got for Melo. Do you honestly believe, fuck Alex Kennedy or whatever blogger, that the Magic will cave and take Brook freaking Lopez and 3 low end 1sts for D12, the best center in the game?

Really, Lopez is not a building block. He's Chris Kaman.

Orlando has all the time in the world to maximize their return for D12. He isn't goin to opt out this Summer and take less than max money. That's why this CBA is great. Which superstar will be the idiot to leave their franchise high and dry just out of spite while foregoing $25 million? :lol:

We have not seen one yet.

This is all in the Lakers court. They got to decide whether they want Bynum

He has until June to exercise his option. If the Magic hold pat, you are telling me he will opt out just to walk to Brooklyn???

Sorry fam I don't see that at all.

These boys are all about the money.


:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Dude you not making sense.

I'm quoting actual people involved. Three weeks ago Jim Buss.

There's an Internet report suggesting Orlando was willing to trade Howard for Bynum and Pau Gasol, but now he's shaking his head as if in pain.

"Where does this stuff come from?" he says. "You'd have to be kind of silly to give up two All-Stars like that for Howard. Zero truth to it. We have never been asked for Andrew and Pau and we've never offered them. I think they know we'd either say no or they would sound crazy for asking."

"Let's just say this," he says. "You have to give up something to get something. And I'm willing to give up something to get something."
But nothing is happening.

"We've done everything within the rules that we could to explore this situation until we were just spinning our wheels," he says. "The player is still in control of his own destiny; he can block a trade just by saying I'm not going to sign a new deal and stay where he is.

"I personally believe now that we have the team that we will be playing with all season long."

Would Jim Buss give up Bynum for Howard hell yea but just like Denver Orlando wants to attach bad contracts along with Howard,

Denver attach Balkman and Billups. Orlando wants whoever to take Dwight to also take Hedo and Duhon. There lies trading Pau and Bynum and more for Hedo and Chris.

Jim Buss said himself he did everything he could.

Maybe you missed it on Sunday but Otis Smith did an interview saying he wants to talk to other teams but no team is going to trade for Dwight if he can walk in July. Hell Jim Buss said it right there. Dwight still controls his future.

Also the package now is Brook Lopez 5 first round picks. Add taking back Hedo and Chris Duhon and giving up a top 3 rookie and leads all rookies in scoring Marshon Brooks.

What you talking about independent thought? I said for the last two weeks I'm no longer feeling this but it is what is.

You are right this is about money



Dude I agree if Dwight wants to win Jersey is the last place he should be but he wants money and fame
 
:lol:

Wait?! Y'all really believing that under the table shit? You really believe that Dwight Howard would jeopardize his professional career and face possible Federal tax avoidance charges and jail time by taking money "under the table" from Proky?!!

Wow...

Seriously, I needed that laugh.
 
Also young money Otis said it best sunday.

How can he maximize his offer when Dwight just wants three teams??

The Lakers VP said he isn't giving in to your demands.

Dallas has nothing worth trading and Dwight's team of choice big man is injured.

Every time a new team gets involved Dwight kills his value by having Fegan telling the team he isn't interested.

Again what other choice do the Magic have????

Remember Otis Smith had agree to the Nets deal before but the Devos killed it and said wait till March 15.

If he agree to a deal before what makes you think he won't again also this one including Brooks
 
So Killa are you just going to ignore that big ass post on the front page of RealGm where D12 might postpone free agency until 2013?

He is not leaving money on the table. He has no leverage. This is about money and the only way he gets his is by trade. A trade that Orlanda dictates the outcome. No one will do a rental with their core talent, but trust Orlando is not going to nut up. If they want to dump Hedo and Duhon, the Lakers could still offer the TPE for Duhons salary and Artest and Barnes with Bynum so there goes that argument. They are being greedy asking for both Pau and Bynum.

I understand you a Net fan and everything but to act like NJ or bust is foolish. Orlando isn't going to dump D12 for anything less than what they want. That's all in saying
 
he'll be a net

...unless, golden state agrees to rent him like its been rumored then he'll hit free agency and walk to the mavs along with deron

... the nets fumble the ball and say no to one or two of ORL's rape demands (extra pick or brooks or both)... the closer to 3/15 the more likely ORL decides its gonna rape a team for value. As it stands now compared to other trades dwight would be traded for less than other stars.

... Brook doesnt come back 100% and has an injury relapse and dwight hits FA...

... Dwight hates being called a scumbag, pulls a Chris Paul and stays one more season to give ORL a shot.

.... dwight comes to his senses stops seeking fame and says he wants to be a bull so he can win many titles...

NJ has the ball but ORL has shot clock... nets r desperate no dwight means no deron meaning opening that super arena with 2nd tier players or less while the knicks could be at the garden with potentially Phil Jackson or another good coach there... nets will do whatever ORL says to get DWIGHT...

He'll be a net
 
:lol:

Wait?! Y'all really believing that under the table shit? You really believe that Dwight Howard would jeopardize his professional career and face possible Federal tax avoidance charges and jail time by taking money "under the table" from Proky?!!

Wow...

Seriously, I needed that laugh.

My man what risk. We're talking Russia here and the money probably is offered not guaranteed until after the deal. How would anyone know? Also how is jail time a part of it if the money is overseas in a private account? It's not that hard to do.
 
So Killa are you just going to ignore that big ass post on the front page of RealGm where D12 might postpone free agency until 2013?

He is not leaving money on the table. He has no leverage. This is about money and the only way he gets his is by trade. A trade that Orlanda dictates the outcome. No one will do a rental with their core talent, but trust Orlando is not going to nut up. If they want to dump Hedo and Duhon, the Lakers could still offer the TPE for Duhons salary and Artest and Barnes with Bynum so there goes that argument. They are being greedy asking for both Pau and Bynum.

I understand you a Net fan and everything but to act like NJ or bust is foolish. Orlando isn't going to dump D12 for anything less than what they want. That's all in saying


Thing is Orlando wants Pau and Bynum

are you going to ignore that Otis had already agree to the Nets deal before??

Also you keep saying Dwight could. Orlando and The Devos are not taking that chance. He will be traded unless he picks up that option before March 15.

Otis said Sunday himself. Dwight choices are only three teams.

Jim Buss said he isn't giving up Pau and Bynum.

Again you not making sense.

Otis said yes to a deal that had Brook 5 first round picks and had the Nets taking back Duhon and Hedo.

Now they are adding Marshon Brooks who was ranked today 3rd best rookie in the league and leading all rookies in scoring and people are calling the steal of the draft.

So again you think Otis is going to turn that down? For what?

Legal you not making sense. You saying the Magic are not going to trade him just because he could opt in? He has two months to do that but as Otis said Sunday.

Nothing has changed with Dwight and they are winning. Again this has nothing do with Orlando. Dwight wants to be in a big market.

I didn't say it's NJ or bust. Otis Smith said it's hard to negotiate when it's only three teams.

Lakers backed out. Dallas has nothing and the Nets big man is hurt.
 
My man what risk. We're talking Russia here and the money probably is offered not guaranteed until after the deal. How would anyone know? Also how is jail time a part of it if the money is overseas in a private account? It's not that hard to do.

It's unlikely bro. We just broke the IBS, the most secretive private bank in the world. They started singing after the IRS issued those John Doe summons for taxpayers parking money outside the country and not paying taxes.

And that's what D12 would be doing. The moment he attempted to claim or pay taxes on any under the table money the NBA would find out as the NBA licenses his name and image. Any proceeds he earns from that license is approved by the league.

If you think it's easy, try going to Russia and open up a bank account.

I'm not saying its impossible just HIGHLY improbable.
 
The Magic aren't in any rush to trade the best center in the league unless they get back what they want. That's it.

I'm making perfect sense. They can wait up until the trade deadline, assess the field and make an informed decision. If they sit D12 down and say we don't like any of these offers, do you think he walks?
Or, as the article you still haven't referenced states, he agrees to wait another year? Or waits until this summer?

These guys aren't leaving money on the table. That is leverage in negotiations. He may be a Net but IMO this is the Lake Shows game to lose.
 
The Magic aren't in any rush to trade the best center in the league unless they get back what they want. That's it.

I'm making perfect sense. They can wait up until the trade deadline, assess the field and make an informed decision. If they sit D12 down and say we don't like any of these offers, do you think he walks?
Or, as the article you still haven't referenced states, he agrees to wait another year? Or waits until this summer?

These guys aren't leaving money on the table. That is leverage in negotiations. He may be a Net but IMO this is the Lake Shows game to lose.

:lol:

This is where u don't make sense. You say the magic will get back what they want yet u say its the lake show game to lose.

Did jim buss not do the same thing he did with melo??

Orlando wants both Pau and Bynum. Jim said he isn't doing that.

Otis and Dwight said the only reason he isn't a Net today because the. Devos killed the trade.

So if otis agree to lopez 5 first round picks and dumping hedo and duhon. What makes u think he won't when they can. Dump JJ for Marshon Brooks.

U not making sense.
 
Killa has been on this Dwight to the Nets or bust for awhile and it is starting to get old now. The Nets suck period. Lopez being out for another two months only makes matters worse for NJ. Why would the Magic want to take back a hurt Lopez and some draft picks for Dwight now? The better Bynum plays and remains healthy, the more leverage the Lakers have in not including Gasol in a deal for Dwight. Bynum is better, more dominant, and packs slightly more star power than Brooke Lopez. Face it, it is more likely that the Nets have mortgaged their future by giving away the farm for Deron Williams, who because of how bad the team currently is and will be, is going to walk away as a free agent than the chance of both Deron and Dwight ever teaming up for the Nets.
 
It's the Lakers game to lose because they can have Dwight right now if they do XYZ demanded by the Magic. If the Nets are willing to do anything for D12 why hasn't he gone yet? Why haven't the Magic taken their offer? Because they don't have everything that the Magic want.

It all points to the Magic taking their time assessing this situation. If the Lake Show on deadline agree to the Magics demands he's gone and they win the D12 sweepstakes. If they don't they might do the Nets deal or they might not. It's better than nothing now, but as I stated what's the landscape like this summer or fall?

Killa fam I know you want D12 but I don't see it anymore. I use to be 100% he's a Net now I doubt it especially with the Mavericks freeing space and the reports that he may wait until 2013.
 
Killa has been on this Dwight to the Nets or bust for awhile and it is starting to get old now. The Nets suck period. Lopez being out for another two months only makes matters worse for NJ. Why would the Magic want to take back a hurt Lopez and some draft picks for Dwight now? The better Bynum plays and remains healthy, the more leverage the Lakers have in not including Gasol in a deal for Dwight. Bynum is better, more dominant, and packs slightly more star power than Brooke Lopez. Face it, it is more likely that the Nets have mortgaged their future by giving away the farm for Deron Williams, who because of how bad the team currently is and will be, is going to walk away as a free agent than the chance of both Deron and Dwight ever being a Net player.



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Let's play fact and fiction.

Did Otis and Dwight both admit that he agreed to a deal with the Nets but ownership killed the deal? Fact.

Now so you are saying that Orlando who wants both Pau and Bynum are going to settle???

:lol::lol::lol:

Giving away the farm for Deron Williams? They gave away two draft picks Devin Harris and Derrick Favors.

Now do you wanna compare Utah picks with who the Nets picked??

again maybe you haven't been paying attention but let my stance has changed on do I want Dwight.

I said many times recently I'm against getting Dwight if we have to give up Brooks to take back JJ Reddick and his bad contract
 
Killa has been on this Dwight to the Nets or bust for awhile and it is starting to get old now. The Nets suck period. Lopez being out for another two months only makes matters worse for NJ. Why would the Magic want to take back a hurt Lopez and some draft picks for Dwight now? The better Bynum plays and remains healthy, the more leverage the Lakers have in not including Gasol in a deal for Dwight. Bynum is better, more dominant, and packs slightly more star power than Brooke Lopez. Face it, it is more likely that the Nets have mortgaged their future by giving away the farm for Deron Williams, who because of how bad the team currently is and will be, is going to walk away as a free agent than the chance of both Deron and Dwight ever teaming up for the Nets.

Fam is a great poster but he was on the same stuff last year with the Melodrama posting rumors that a deal was "imminent" and that Melo would agree to deal with Nets etc. I think AgentCreed posted an article where Melo dissed one of Killa's highly reposted "sources" during the whole drama. Most of these dudes are guessing like us. I hold no credence in their pontifications.

Fact remains if the Nets offer to get D12 is the magic's best deal why isn't he in New Jersey now? They want to dance with the Lakers or weight their options.
 
It's the Lakers game to lose because they can have Dwight right now if they do XYZ demanded by the Magic. If the Nets are willing to do anything for D12 why hasn't he gone yet? Why haven't the Magic taken their offer? Because they don't have everything that the Magic want.

It all points to the Magic taking their time assessing this situation. If the Lake Show on deadline agree to the Magics demands he's gone and they win the D12 sweepstakes. If they don't they might do the Nets deal or they might not. It's better than nothing now, but as I stated what's the landscape like this summer or fall?

Killa fam I know you want D12 but I don't see it anymore. I use to be 100% he's a Net now I doubt it especially with the Mavericks freeing space and the reports that he may wait until 2013.

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Dude you hilarious. Otis and Dwight both said he would be a Net if the Devos didn't killed the deal.

The Devos and Alex felt they could change Dwight mind. As Otis said in the interview Sunday they knew whatever that was being offer a month ago would be on the table come march.

Again this was the Magic plan.

Otis Smith said sunday out of his own mouth that Dwight trade request has nothing to do with Orlando or winning he wants to be in a big market.

You are right he could be a Laker right now had Buss gave into his demands.

Yet Buss did the same thing he did with Melo.

Remember Melo right??


The Lakers recently turned down a deal for Carmelo Anthony because Jim Buss, the owner's son, does not want to part with Andrew Bynum.

The News has learned that Jim Buss, who holds the title of Lakers VP of Player Personnel, rejected a deal for Anthony, who would gladly sign an extension with the two-time defending champs.

Buss has strong ties to Bynum, the New Jersey native who Buss drafted right out of high school. It was Buss who refused to trade Bynum to the Nets in a deal for Jason Kidd despite Kobe Bryant pushing for the trade.

In fact, both Kobe and head coach Phil Jackson are in favor of a deal for Anthony.

"If that's the case why don't they just go straight to Jerry Buss and tell him to make the deal," said one league executive.

So Jim Buss who has a history of walking away from trades and negotiations when things get to crazy did it again with Howard.

Hell he did it with Chris Paul cause the league wanted too much.

Stephen A Smith and LA times called him out weeks ago for walking away from Howard.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/baske...es/sports/basketball/nba/lakers+(Lakers+Blog)

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7357409/stephen-smith-lakers-mess-jim-buss-mess

I want Howard?? Sure

Do I want Howard at the cost of the Nets becoming a second round knockout? Hell no.

You must not have caught my post in the BGOL Rookie watch. I said 100 of times I rather keep Brooks and build young than to take back Howard and JJ just for Dwight to demand a trade from the Nets because he is still ring less.
 
Urgh!! Man you and me forever going to disagree about the validity of these rumors! Lol whe I get to the crib I'll be back at this hahha
 
Urgh!! Man you and me forever going to disagree about the validity of these rumors! Lol whe I get to the crib I'll be back at this hahha

What rumors I posted a thread about this already Otis Smith did an interview Sunday talking about all of what I said.

He also talked about how he and has his family has been threaten because of Howard wanting to be traded.

Otis Smith said himself it's hard to negotiate because Dwight only wants three teams.

One of those teams have nothing he wants? (Mavericks)

Another of those teams have what he wants but they don't want to give it up (Lakers)

Then you have Dwight's main piece. You had already agree to their deal but now the main piece is hurt. (Nets)

You are right Orlando will get the best deal the problem as Otis said is he has to work with those three teams and see which teams gives him more.
 
I like it... smart move... unfortunately Dirk is gonna be the GOAT on espn after they 3-peat :smh:
 
What rumors I posted a thread about this already Otis Smith did an interview Sunday talking about all of what I said.

He also talked about how he and has his family has been threaten because of Howard wanting to be traded.

Otis Smith said himself it's hard to negotiate because Dwight only wants three teams.

One of those teams have nothing he wants? (Mavericks)

Another of those teams have what he wants but they don't want to give it up (Lakers)

Then you have Dwight's main piece. You had already agree to their deal but now the main piece is hurt. (Nets)

Post a link to a story where Rich Devos or his representative stated that they vetoed a Dwight Howard trade to the Nets for Brook Lopez. I fired up Google and tried for 10 minutes to no avail. Once again you will probably post some rumor from Alex Kennedy or some other sports writer.

When it comes to these Nets, you take creative licensing when reporting "news". An unnamed "league executive" could be anyone in the Bluebook. There is a homie on BGOL who worked for the Clippers as a ballboy; with the right editing he could be a source too.

And what about these:

Howard doesn’t expect trade in near future, if at all

"When asked if he expects Orlando to trade him by the NBA’s March 15 deadline, Howard said: “I don’t think so.”

Report: Magic don't want to rebuild after Howard

"2. It severely damages the Nets' approach. Already missing their best trade chip in Brook Lopez due to a broken bone in the foot, the Nets have reportedly been dangling as many as five first-round picks for Howard. If the Magic want legitimate players, the Nets don't have any outside of Deron Williams. Their next best chip, Kris Humphries, cannot be traded until March due to his contract. If the Magic are serious about continuing to contend for the playoffs, the Nets can kiss their chances at Howard goodbye. In related news, the Nets were wiped off the map by the Hawks last night. "

Like I said early on, the Magic are in no rush to trade Dwight, and could even extend this into next season. The standing offer of Brook Lopez, some firsts and taking back Hedo's contract is decent until you look at CP3 and Melo's hauls. The Hornets got a Top 5 SG, a Top 15 Center, a former lottery pick, and a future pick for a PG with bad knees!! Someone will offer up a comparable package, the Magic just have to exercise their due diligence.
 
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This is hilarious you getting on me from quoting a source but the whole story you post is a nothing but a source. Dwight never once in the interview says he will opt in for another year.

The only person mentioning that Dwight will opt in is a "league source"

“Even if he does a Chris Paul and opts in and stays another year, they’ll still end up losing him,” one league source said. “The inevitable is coming.”

I see you are ignoring what Dwight actually said in the article you posted don't worry I will post it.

“Nothing has changed,” Howard said. “There is no need to focus on everything else besides going out every night and playing hard for 48 minutes or however long I’m on the court. All the other stuff is up to the Magic. For me, I’m going to be Dwight every night. Have fun on the court, entertain the fans, block shots, run the floor, rebound, do whatever I got to do to win.

That's funny that he said that because in Otis interview that also happen on Sunday said the same thing

"Has anything changed with Dwight's situation?" Robbins asked. "No," Smith responded.

"Has he pulled back the trade request?" Robbins asked. "No," Smith responded.

"Has he expanded his list of preferred destinations?" Robbins finally asked. "Not to my knowledge," Smith responded.


Otis went so far as to tell people he has done everything he can for Dwight and he still wants to leave. Saying it has nothing to do with winning or contending

Otis Smith: "I think [Dwight] leaving or going has nothing to do w/ ORL. I think he wants a bigger market. I can't do anything about that."

The Orlando Magic have informed teams that they’re ending trade talks for Dwight Howard and plan to start the season with the All-Star center on their roster, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Magic’s decision came Wednesday after the Nets assembled a multiteam trade proposal for Howard that would have sent the Magic center Brook Lopez, Portland Trail Blazers forward Gerald Wallace, point guard Jordan Farmar and a first-round draft pick. The Nets also would have taken on Chris Duhon and Hedo Turkoglu. The Blazers would have received four draft picks for Wallace.

With the framework of a deal in place, talks had reached the ownership level in Orlando, league sources said. Nevertheless, Magic ownership did not approve of the trade, and general manager Otis Smith then informed teams Howard had been removed from the market.

Howard told teammates on Tuesday that he thought the trade to the Nets was a “done deal,” a league source told Y! Sports. Twenty-four hours later on Wednesday, Howard told them that he was under the impression that “ownership killed it,” the source said.

Howard has warned the Magic if they don’t move him by the March 15 trade deadline, they’ll lose him for nothing in free agency. Howard told the Magic again on Tuesday that he wanted a trade, a league source said.

“Dwight’s not a happy camper,” one league source told Y! Sports

That's from the same site you got the article you posted so are you going to say yours is right because it represent your point? :lol:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...w-wojnarowski_dwight_howard_magic_nets_121411

The funny thing is that the same article said that Otis prefer that the Lakers give up Pau and Bynum but he still agree to this deal.

Otis, Alex and The Devos have all said that the same thing that happen with Shaq will not happen again.
 
He'll be a net

What a lot of these writers fail to include in their articles which is a very key piece is that his first option is to be a net. Its the same with Anthony. Last year the nets had the better package and so did the clippers but he wanted to be a knick. Where is Anthony now? Hes a knick.

He wont make it to free agency unless lopez comes back and re injures himself or the nets cant put together a suitable package.( a trade was already agreed to but killed by ownership or he'd be a net now). I think that original offer with some tweaks will be the final package though after all star weekend or before the deadline.

When the trade deadline comes and they see howard isnt resigning and the lakers arent offering bynum and dwight is refusing to sign anywhere but the nets, they will take whatever offer the nets have so they dont get shaq 2.0.
 
Jesus Christ Killa don't be daft. I mentioned articles that you intentionally disregarded because they are not D12 to Nets rumors you only seem to post.

The point I'm making is that when Dwight was asked his opinion whether the Magic would trade him this season he said he doesn't think so. I stated early on that I doubt any NBA player leaves $25 million on the table just to play for a team he wants. Therefore, if the Magic don't make the trade this season, even by Dwight's own admission, I doubt he walks to Brooklyn, Mavericks, or LA.

This is my rationale, my independent opinion. We all can see though your :lol: you want to wish the trade into reality or act as if you're indifferent. The possibility of striking out is real and I highly doubt if the Magic don't trade him this season will he walk to any team.

Also I doubt Deron walks unless he is sure D12 is a no. That dude wants the cash more than Dwight and he isn't passing up $20 milly.
 
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