How was "Space" created before the Universe

[Fuzzy_McNut]

At best science is good at labeling stuff, take gravity for instance, they don't know shit about it, how it looks, why its there, or how it really works, they just know that it is effected by two or more bodies of objects. So all they do is label and predict it effect and force. But no one really knows what it is.. The same can be said about light, matter, electricity and magnetism.

Science does not know all the properties of anything if i'm not mistaken. Rubber's properties are complex. Fire's properties are burning, heat, flame.....but maybe it has some other properties when it interacts with another substance.

Because fire needs oxygen, so what if we introduced water to it....hum ok that didn't work....what would fire do if i did this.......


Nothing really surprises me much, i was combing my hair recently and was impressed that when i noticed i placed my comb near a fluresent bulb the light lit up for a second in the dark.

 

[han2.0]

At best science is good at labeling stuff, take gravity for instance, they don't know shit about it, how it looks, why its there, or how it really works, they just know that it is effected by two or more bodies of objects. So all they do is label and predict it effect and force. But no one really knows what it is.. The same can be said about light, matter, electricity and magnetism.

So you believe in a sky daddy to.

 

[RoadRage]

So you believe in a sky daddy to.

Not a sky daddy, but a force in the universe that is able to create matter from nothing. What God is, I don't know, but then again I dont know what gravity really is and where it came from either (dont give me that space fabric bs either because then you are going to have to explain what the fuck is space fabric is.)

 

[han2.0]

Not a sky daddy, but a force in the universe that is able to create matter from nothing. What God is, I don't know, but then again I dont know what gravity really is and where it came from either (dont give me that space fabric bs either because then you are going to have to explain what the fuck is space fabric is.)

If this "force" existed then why do babys die and people get raped all the time? And what created this "force"

Do you even know how force is created....wow.

 

[han2.0]

Force creates itself now.

 

[Naha-Nago]

This is one of the better threads on BGOL as of late...


IMO.

I think it all comes down to what your definition of "God" is.

To some it is mathmatics.

To some it is science.

To some it is the "Sky Daddy/Everything's God/I'm God" of religion and philosophy.

None of thoses Gods have been proven or disproven; everyday an arguement can be made for or against each of them. YES MATHMATICS TOO!

Personally do I believe in God? Yes. What is God to me? I believe God is so beyond the realm of our complete understanding at the moment that it is at the level of absurdity. Like an Ant trying understand the construction of a 12 lane highway right next to its ant hill and why it will need two HOV lanes in both directions; it is going to take the ant eons just to understand what concrete is! THAT'S US RIGHT NOW! But like the ant we do the best we can using, mathmatics, science, and religion/philosophy. We will get there.


*two cents*

 

[RoadRage]

If this "force" existed then why do babys die and people get raped all the time? And what created this "force"

Do you even know how force is created....wow.

Who convinced you that God it the moral police of the universe? The universe we live in is a dynamic, random universe with a few laws to keep structure and order in the universe. But with randomness there will be bad and sad things that occur. But it is the god in us that helps us recognize these things, you ever wonder why man is able to feel sad when a baby die or upset when a person gets rapped? The moral god you are talking about lies in us, not in the sky, and it serves as our internal moral compass.
What happened is that the white man tricked us with lies and told us that god is in the sky, and instead of being connected with the god that is inside of us all, we become disconnected and evil shit is more likely to occur.
This is why most civilizations that have little or no contact with the white man, have very little problems with rape and baby killings.

Do you even know how force is created

What force are you talking about, there are so many.

 

[CADE_BADAZZ]

Again with out God the Big bang theory makes no sense at all. Let me clue you..
If you were to travel to a black hole, and past the event horizon, you will fall into a vast blackness called a singularity, where the gravity pull is so strong not even light can escape its force.
Now this is a black hole from one giant star, now somebody tell me how the hell so much matter was able to escape the singularity hat created the big bang???? That gravitational pull had to be a trillion googolplexians times stronger than the singularity of a single star black hole. Besides can someone tell me how all that matter got there and where matter came from in the first place?
God = the creator of matter, find where matter came from and you will find God.

1.) Radiation can escape black holes. Radiation is energy which is matter in a diffrent form.

2.) Like you are someone else said in another post Dark Energy.
Our sun produces a small amount of Dark Matter (I think I read like 18 pounds a year)If a super massive black hole is billions of times the mass of our sun it would produce billions of times as much Dark Matter(which should be Dark Energy in a diffrent form if it works like regular matter). Since dark energy is whats we think is causing the universe to expand. Over time enough Dark Energy should be produced and would be strong enough to defeat gravity and cause a Big Bang on the other side of the black hole.

 

[han2.0]

Who convinced you that God it the moral police of the universe? The universe we live in is a dynamic, random universe with a few laws to keep structure and order in the universe. But with randomness there will be bad and sad things that occur. But it is the god in us that helps us recognize these things, you ever wonder why man is able to feel sad when a baby die or upset when a person gets rapped? The moral god you are talking about lies in us, not in the sky, and it serves as our internal moral compass.
What happened is that the white man tricked us with lies and told us that god is in the sky, and instead of being connected with the god that is inside of us all, we become disconnected and evil shit is more likely to occur.
This is why most civilizations that have little or no contact with the white man, have very little problems with rape and baby killings.

now you sounding just silly and goofy

Wow now you are turning racial. So the moral god has to lie in white people to because they cry to when someone dies or is raped. So why aren't white people connected with their inner god..... they surve no advantage in having other people not believing.



What force are you talking about, there are so many.

Force is created. I'm reffering to this "force" you claim made the universe. Force is created.

 

[han2.0]

Who convinced you that God it the moral police of the universe? The universe we live in is a dynamic, random universe with a few laws to keep structure and order in the universe. But with randomness there will be bad and sad things that occur. But it is the god in us that helps us recognize these things, you ever wonder why man is able to feel sad when a baby die or upset when a person gets rapped? The moral god you are talking about lies in us, not in the sky, and it serves as our internal moral compass.
What happened is that the white man tricked us with lies and told us that god is in the sky, and instead of being connected with the god that is inside of us all, we become disconnected and evil shit is more likely to occur.
This is why most civilizations that have little or no contact with the white man, have very little problems with rape and baby killings.



What force are you talking about, there are so many.

And who convinced you that a "force" can create itself and then go on and create other things. Where did "god" come from, where did time and all that. What about the "force" that created god. Man o man

 

[RoadRage]

1.) Radiation can escape black holes. Radiation is energy which is matter in a diffrent form.

2.) Like you are someone else said in another post Dark Energy.
Our sun produces a small amount of Dark Matter (I think I read like 18 pounds a year)If a super massive black hole is billions of times the mass of our sun it would produce billions of times as much Dark Matter(which should be Dark Energy in a diffrent form if it works like regular matter). Since dark energy is whats we think is causing the universe to expand. Over time enough Dark Energy should be produced and would be strong enough to defeat gravity and cause a Big Bang on the other side of the black hole.

Radiation can not escape black holes, what you are talking about is Hawkins radiation, small particles that appear in pairs for a brief period of time, and once they touch each other they disappear. I theory, if a pair was to be on the event horizon and one was to fall in and the other not, the one that did not fall in would stay alive and become radiation around the black hole.
It's way too late to explain in detail, so here is a video on the matter.

 

[CADE_BADAZZ]

Not a sky daddy, but a force in the universe that is able to create matter from nothing. What God is, I don't know, but then again I dont know what gravity really is and where it came from either (dont give me that space fabric bs either because then you are going to have to explain what the fuck is space fabric is.)

Quatum phisics states that space is never really empty,but particles come into and out of exitence. Thats how black holes are able to give off radiation. Hawkins Radiation.

 

[RoadRage]

And who convinced you that a "force" can create itself and then go on and create other things. Where did "god" come from, where did time and all that. What about the "force" that created god. Man o man

Ok where do you think the laws of the universe came from? Where did matter come from, who determined that up to two electrons can orbit the first ring in a atom?

 

[RoadRage]

Quatum phisics states that space is never really empty,but particles come into and out of exitence. Thats how black holes are able to give off radiation. Hawkins Radiation.

I stated that...... But the way it works is that these elements come in pairs and one falls past the event horizon and the other dosn't causing a radiation ring around the event horizon..

 

[han2.0]

Ok where do you think the laws of the universe came from? Where did matter come from, who determined that up to two electrons can orbit the first ring in a atom?

im a non believer. you tell me a unicorn exists, you have to prove that it exists, not me.

 

[RoadRage]

Force is created. I'm reffering to this "force" you claim made the universe. Force is created.

The force that created matter (lets face it all this stuff came from somewhere) is god...... As far as where this force came from, lets try walking before running, and figure out where lesser forces like gravity came from....

 

[RoadRage]

im a non believer. you tell me a unicorn exists, you have to prove that it exists, not me.

Ok prove to me that time exist.......

 

[CADE_BADAZZ]

I stated that...... But the way it works is that these elements come in pairs and one falls past the event horizon and the other dosn't causing a radiation ring around the event horizon..

The pairs are positive and negative. The negative falls into the black hole. The positive escapes the event herizon as heat AKA Hawkins Radiation.

 

[RoadRage]

im a non believer. you tell me a unicorn exists, you have to prove that it exists, not me.

I don't rely on belief, that is for fools who are not able to reason..... Everything I talk about is based on pure logic...... and only logic... I agree with most of what science has to say, but then there is a point where it gets illogical, that's where I draw the line. The thesis are not logical at all, so that's a no go....
Mathematics is as pure as you can come to understanding the universe, it is non bias and has no agenda, just pure logic.

 

[han2.0]

The force that created matter (lets face it all this stuff came from somewhere) is god...... As far as where this force came from, lets try walking before running, and figure out where lesser forces like gravity came from....

So matter needs a creator
God=doesnt need a creator.

So why does matter need a creator while something more complex does not need one. explain that.

I dont know where gravity comes from....and that proves nothing.

 

[Naha-Nago]

Man that shit justs....

BLOWS MY MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*two cents*

 

[RoadRage]

The pairs are positive and negative. The negative falls into the black hole. The positive escapes the event herizon as heat AKA Hawkins Radiation.

Yes but only one falls in the event horizon and that one don't escape....

 

[han2.0]

Ok prove to me that time exist.......

past, present and future.

 

[han2.0]

I don't rely on belief, that is for fools who are not able to reason..... Everything I talk about is based on pure logic...... and only logic... I agree with most of what science has to say, but then there is a point where it gets illogical, that's where I draw the line. The thesis are not logical at all, so that's a no go....
Mathematics is as pure as you can come to understanding the universe, it is non bias and has no agenda, just pure logic.

if you rely on logic then explain how you convinced youreslf that matter had to be created but god didnt

where is your logic, how can god create matter, and how did he make it

 

[CADE_BADAZZ]

Yes but only one falls in the event horizon and that one don't escape....

Thats what I said in the last post. The negative particle does not escape. The positive one does escape as radiation. Thats what Hawkings radiation is.

 

[RoadRage]

if you rely on logic then explain how you convinced youreslf that matter had to be created but god didnt

where is your logic, how can god create matter, and how did he make it

Look let me dumb this down a notch...... If you had a empty room that you knew was completely empty, a vacuum even, then all of a sudden you wake up the next day and there was nothing but matter all over the place. you would have to ask yourself where the fuck all the matter came from, not where did the thing that created all the matter come from.
And no scenerio that anyone has been able to come up with could even remotely explain where all this matter came from.... So how the fuck do you think they are going to be able to understand where the force that created all that stuff came from...... No do you follow the logic?

 

[Naha-Nago]

im a non believer. you tell me a unicorn exists, you have to prove that it exists, not me.

BAM! UNICORN BITCH! I HAD TO CUT OFF THE HORN AND PAWN IT FOR COLLEGE ENGINEERING BOOKS!

The 'chicken before the egg' thing you and Roadrage are doing is filling up this thread....

*two cents*

 

[RoadRage]

Thats what I said in the last post. The negative particle does not escape. The positive one does escape as radiation. Thats what Hawkings radiation is.

The positive never crosses the even horizon, it is possible to escape the the area outside the event horizon but once inside nothing escapes..

 

[RoadRage]

past, present and future.

Now define the past present and future....​

Hint it has more to do with two or more objects and how they relate to each other.......

 

[han2.0]

Look let me dumb this down a notch...... If you had a empty room that you knew was completely empty, a vacuum even, then all of a sudden you wake up the next day and there was nothing but matter all over the place. you would have to ask yourself where the fuck all the matter came from, not where did the thing that created all the matter come from.
And no scenerio that anyone has been able to come up with could even remotely explain where all this matter came from.... So how the fuck do you think they are going to be able to understand where the force that created all that stuff came from...... No do you follow the logic?

And that's it. You* would have to stop asking questions after you ask "where did this come from". A smart person would want to know both. I woulld ask "how did it get here, who or what put it here, when did it get here, what created it, why was this place choosen". But i understand you dont like to ask too many questions because it distrupts your belief.

 

[BDR]

If you went back in time to the 1980's

And had a choice to take a piece of tech you can carry with you to show them

What would it be your phone ?

The young steve jobs would laugh right in your face

How do u figure he would? When he prob had and idea of a version of the iphone then, just the tech wasnt available...

 

[han2.0]

Hint it has more to do with two or more objects and how they relate to each other.......

past is elapsed time.

 

[RoadRage]

past is elapsed time.

Now the hard part, what is the present?​

 

[RoadRage]

And that's it. You* would have to stop asking questions after you ask "where did this come from". A smart person would want to know both. I woulld ask "how did it get here, who or what put it here, when did it get here, what created it, why was this place choosen". But i understand you dont like to ask too many questions because it distrupts your belief.

On the contrary..... All I know is that any force that is capable of creating all this matter and the laws of advance mathematics, a far more superior than our brains can comprehend.
Shit our brains can not comprehend the concept of infinity for instance.

 

[RoadRage]

BTW I am offering the most logical explanation on how you can get something from nothing.... However I am yet to hear your explanation. A singularity is not an answer because 1- I seriously doubt if you fully understand the physic concept of what a singularity is, and 2- you still have to explain where the singularity came from.
Next you are yet to explain how matter can escape such a strong singularity when light can even escape a much smaller singularity .