THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....

[Upgrade Dave]

Honestly i have no beef with him he's just someone who i can take or leave really. Me & Dave go back and forth like this from time to time but we have respect for our wrestling knowledge it's nothing

We probably agree on 99% of wrestling stuff, just not on Punk.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Dirty what's your beef with Punk? I admit he's losing some of his steam but i'd put that more towards the WWE and how they're putting him out there as opposed to Punk himself.

I don't see much Punk in the current version of CM Punk unlike the version from this summer who was nearly all Punk. I can't imagine how big he would be if they had guys like Russo and Kreski in Creative like in the late 90s/early 00s.

 

[NightMare Paint]

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Random as fuck!

 

[mrdiego2020]

IT'S FUNNY HOW I SAID THIS 40 PGS BACK , HOW C.HIM PUNK COULDN'T CUT IT, NOW YOUR GONNA SEE.....HAHAHAHAH

 

[NightMare Paint]

Random as fuck!

Man when Regis was running around throwing them Hulk Hogan Wrestling Buddies at him I was IN TEARS!

 

[Upgrade Dave]

IT'S FUNNY HOW I SAID THIS 40 PGS BACK , HOW C.HIM PUNK COULDN'T CUT IT, NOW YOUR GONNA SEE.....HAHAHAHAH

Don't let facts hinder your opinion.

Man when Regis was running around throwing them Hulk Hogan Wrestling Buddies at him I was IN TEARS!

 

[AOD]

I always liked masked kane more, reminded me of a wrestler version of Jason. But dont really see the point of two masks.

Shit... I don't see the point of him talking! He was building up some nice heat the last couple of weeks until he opened his mouth!

Just be quiet and beat people's asses... that's all he has to do!!

 

[Simply Sickenin']

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[Simply Sickenin']

Cole's Commentary
Date Added: December 29, 2011
Story By: Steve Carrier
- As noted earlier, there has been internal discussion about how Michael Cole has buried talents over the past year and how that burying hasn't helped them any. Zack Ryder and Daniel Bryan were specifically brought up as far as Cole burying them goes. It was pointed out that Cole has put them down in commentary forever and both haven't been booked as main event talents up until recently and it showed when they had to rely on Bryan, Ryder and CM Punk to carry the RAW main event, which flopped, a few weeks back.

So they're finally realizing that having Cole bury people on air isn't a smart idea .... and it only two years.​

PPV Plans
Date Added: December 29, 2011
Story By: Steve Carrier
- As of this week, WWE is planning to keep the normal 2012 pay-per-view schedule with the Royal Rumble, Elimination Chamber and WrestleMania 28 but from April through December, the plan is for only SummerSlam and Survivor Series to be national pay-per-views - the rest are set to air on the WWE Network as specials. Those also may remain on pay-per-view based on the idea that much of the country won't be able to access the Network.

Finally, they're doing something right. Less PPV's will make having them feel more important.​

RAW Elimination Chamber & Mania News
Date Added: December 29, 2011
Story By: Steve Carrier
- The RAW Elimination Chamber match in February is scheduled to be for the WWE Title with CM Punk, Alberto Del Rio, The Miz, R-Truth, Kane and John Cena. The outcome of the match will be decided based on if they want John Cena vs. The Rock at WrestleMania 28 to be for the WWE Title.

Yeah, I see where this is going .... slow train coming. ​

Layla's Return
Date Added: December 29, 2011
Story By: Steve Carrier
- WWE Diva Layla will be pushed with the Divas Title when she returns, mostly because Beth Phoenix has had her run against Kelly Kelly and Eve Torres. Natalya is set for a Divas Title run some time next year.

Works for me ​

WWE Reportedly Changes Creative Plans, Cena Report
Date Added: December 29, 2011
Story By: Marc Middleton
- Details are still sketchy but WWE has reportedly changed creative plans this week for several top stars including Dolph Ziggler, The Miz, R-Truth and WWE Champion CM Punk.
- John Cena was moved to both the 10pm and the 11pm timeslots on this week's RAW from CM Punk's hometown of Chicago because Punk's TV ratings patterns haven't been good. While many feel that Cena's feud with Kane is going to lead to a Cena heel turn, it seems highly unlikely that officials will turn a guaranteed ratings draw like Cena.

Oh great, now they can blame not turning Cena on Punk and failing ratings. ​

 

[c_commander]

Cole's Commentary
Date Added: December 29, 2011
Story By: Steve Carrier
- As noted earlier, there has been internal discussion about how Michael Cole has buried talents over the past year and how that burying hasn't helped them any. Zack Ryder and Daniel Bryan were specifically brought up as far as Cole burying them goes. It was pointed out that Cole has put them down in commentary forever and both haven't been booked as main event talents up until recently and it showed when they had to rely on Bryan, Ryder and CM Punk to carry the RAW main event, which flopped, a few weeks back.

So they're finally realizing that having Cole bury people on air isn't a smart idea .... and it only two years.

Well it's good to know that it took them 2 years to realize what everybody who frequents this thread has known from damn near day one.There's a reason why the analyst can be a heel but not the play by play guy. It's a formula that works and Vince in his infinite wisdom(or delusion) has lost it.

PPV Plans
Date Added: December 29, 2011
Story By: Steve Carrier
- As of this week, WWE is planning to keep the normal 2012 pay-per-view schedule with the Royal Rumble, Elimination Chamber and WrestleMania 28 but from April through December, the plan is for only SummerSlam and Survivor Series to be national pay-per-views - the rest are set to air on the WWE Network as specials. Those also may remain on pay-per-view based on the idea that much of the country won't be able to access the Network.

Finally, they're doing something right. Less PPV's will make having them feel more important.

That is true and it's a move that TNA should have embraced. Less PPV's also means than you can build up matchups and feuds. Right now they try to do in 3 weeks to a month what could be done in 3 months which is why the slow burning feuds like HBK-Jericho have been the best feuds they've offered in the last few years.

RAW Elimination Chamber & Mania News
Date Added: December 29, 2011
Story By: Steve Carrier
- The RAW Elimination Chamber match in February is scheduled to be for the WWE Title with CM Punk, Alberto Del Rio, The Miz, R-Truth, Kane and John Cena. The outcome of the match will be decided based on if they want John Cena vs. The Rock at WrestleMania 28 to be for the WWE Title.

Yeah, I see where this is going .... slow train coming.

Cena does not need the belt just like he didn't need it last time he got it for 2 weeks. It would be nice if they finally realized that. Punk may as well keep the belt unless they can somehow undo all the damage they've done with Miz and Del Rio. We all know they aren't putting the belt on Truth.

Layla's Return
Date Added: December 29, 2011
Story By: Steve Carrier
- WWE Diva Layla will be pushed with the Divas Title when she returns, mostly because Beth Phoenix has had her run against Kelly Kelly and Eve Torres. Natalya is set for a Divas Title run some time next year.



Works for me

Works for me. I still want Naomi to show up. She's too good to be wasting away in FCW for no good reason. They've wasted Beth's angle by having Kelly Kelly be the constant threat though nodody is buying it. Eve and AJ should have had their shots by now instead of jobbing Beth out to her,continuing the feud forever and jobbing out Nattie. Those 2 should have been head and shoulders above the rest of the divas.

WWE Reportedly Changes Creative Plans, Cena Report
Date Added: December 29, 2011
Story By: Marc Middleton
- Details are still sketchy but WWE has reportedly changed creative plans this week for several top stars including Dolph Ziggler, The Miz, R-Truth and WWE Champion CM Punk.
- John Cena was moved to both the 10pm and the 11pm timeslots on this week's RAW from CM Punk's hometown of Chicago because Punk's TV ratings patterns haven't been good. While many feel that Cena's feud with Kane is going to lead to a Cena heel turn, it seems highly unlikely that officials will turn a guaranteed ratings draw like Cena.

Oh great, now they can blame not turning Cena on Punk and failing ratings.
CM Punk doing CM Punk works. CM Punk doing Cena lite or a knockoff of Y2J isn't nearly as good.

 

[dirtyd]

I don't see much Punk in the current version of CM Punk unlike the version from this summer who was nearly all Punk. I can't imagine how big he would be if they had guys like Russo and Kreski in Creative like in the late 90s/early 00s.

Well you said it yourself a couple of pages back that he's clearly doing it for the money now. I see them trying to recreate Austin/Mcmahon but neither have the ability to pull it off. Vince was a perfect villian for Austin and we all wanted to beat the shit out of our bosses, or in my case teachers since i was 14 at the time I was actually excited after the Punk promo but after the horrible follow up and his acceptance to be a company man it all just went away, it's like now if he ever shoots it'll feel forced instead of real.

New Steph DAMN!!!

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Well it's good to know that it took them 2 years to realize what everybody who frequents this thread has known from damn near day one.There's a reason why the analyst can be a heel but not the play by play guy. It's a formula that works and Vince in his infinite wisdom(or delusion) has lost it.

And it would help if there was a chance that the faces would get their heat back on him but they don't. Even his co-horts, Lawler, Booker, and Matthews, do a bad job of pointing out his hypocrisy.
Add that to the way they don't protect anyone BUT Cena and you make guys look second rate and people have a hard time buying them as champs.

That is true and it's a move that TNA should have embraced. Less PPV's also means than you can build up matchups and feuds. Right now they try to do in 3 weeks to a month what could be done in 3 months which is why the slow burning feuds like HBK-Jericho have been the best feuds they've offered in the last few years.

TNA should have embraced it first and a long time ago. They don't even make much money on their ppvs so why have so many? They do much better business when they have their special live shows on Spike! so have a few of those 3 times a year plus about 7 ppvs.

Oh great, now they can blame not turning Cena on Punk and failing ratings.
CM Punk doing CM Punk works. CM Punk doing Cena lite or a knockoff of Y2J isn't nearly as good.

Of course it's the talent's fault and not the Office so Punk and Ryder and Bryan get demoted but the same fools keep their jobs in Creative (though the blame falls squarely on Vince's shoulders).

 

[rwill784]

Well you said it yourself a couple of pages back that he's clearly doing it for the money now. I see them trying to recreate Austin/Mcmahon but neither have the ability to pull it off. Vince was a perfect villian for Austin and we all wanted to beat the shit out of our bosses, or in my case teachers since i was 14 at the time I was actually excited after the Punk promo but after the horrible follow up and his acceptance to be a company man it all just went away, it's like now if he ever shoots it'll feel forced instead of real.

New Steph DAMN!!!

Always wanted to fuck her

 

[GULLAH JACK]

I don't like how they're treating Booker T like he's old and washed up and is LUCKY to get a victory. WTF. They didn't do that with Michaels and aren't doing it with Cripple H or Taker...Booker still looks great and can work better than 70% of the current roster.That's some bullshit right there

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

[/B]

New Steph DAMN!!!

daamn..thankfully she not looking like ashley from hardcore pawn anymore wonder if she trying to get back on camera in wwe

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I don't like how they're treating Booker T like he's old and washed up and is LUCKY to get a victory. WTF. They didn't do that with Michaels and aren't doing it with Cripple H or Taker...Booker still looks great and can work better than 70% of the current roster.That's some bullshit right there

They are talking about him and presenting him like he's Lawler's age when he's really in Taker and HHH's class. They are really overselling the angle.


Hey dirty
I came to a realization about Punk. I'm becoming less and less interested in him. I know his match is going to be good, no matter what. But they've done to him what they did (imo, of course) to Austin, Rock, Cena, Morrison, and even Michaels and Diesel before them: they take guys who got over as heels and soften them up to make them faces and I stop caring. Crockett and WCW never did that Ric Flair or Arn Anderson when they would go face so it can be done. But the WWE/F seems not to want to push faces as real badasses. Even Austin started being more comical once he was fully turned when before he seemed funny by accident.

 

[c_commander]

They are talking about him and presenting him like he's Lawler's age when he's really in Taker and HHH's class. They are really overselling the angle.


Hey dirty
I came to a realization about Punk. I'm becoming less and less interested in him. I know his match is going to be good, no matter what. But they've done to him what they did (imo, of course) to Austin, Rock, Cena, Morrison, and even Michaels and Diesel before them: they take guys who got over as heels and soften them up to make them faces and I stop caring. Crockett and WCW never did that Ric Flair or Arn Anderson when they would go face so it can be done. But the WWE/F seems not to want to push faces as real badasses. Even Austin started being more comical once he was fully turned when before he seemed funny by accident.

I believe that in his infinite genius Vince feels like making a guy more comical means that that person is going to be liked by kids which equals t-shirt and merchandise sales. Too bad that he doesn't get that it also means that wrestling heads stop buying their stuff and also stop buying PPVs.

On another note I don't mind what they're doing with Drew McIntyre but I hope they show some continuity and have mention how Drew embarassed him when he was the "chosen one". Also when was the last time that a guy who was talented but not quite there went to Raw via the draft and actually grew in stature.

 

[GULLAH JACK]

they are talking about him and presenting him like he's lawler's age when he's really in taker and hhh's class. They are really overselling the angle.


Hey dirty
i came to a realization about punk. I'm becoming less and less interested in him. I know his match is going to be good, no matter what. But they've done to him what they did (imo, of course) to austin, rock, cena, morrison, and even michaels and diesel before them: They take guys who got over as heels and soften them up to make them faces and i stop caring. Crockett and wcw never did that ric flair or arn anderson when they would go face so it can be done. But the wwe/f seems not to want to push faces as real badasses. Even austin started being more comical once he was fully turned when before he seemed funny by accident.

c/s

 

[mrdiego2020]

now that brock is done with ufc ,will he return to wwe?

 

[c_commander]

now that brock is done with ufc ,will he return to wwe?

For a match, maybe. Full time, no. That concussion at Wrestlemania apparently scared him and I doubt that he wants to be on the road that frequently either.

 

[dirtyd]

They are talking about him and presenting him like he's Lawler's age when he's really in Taker and HHH's class. They are really overselling the angle.


Hey dirty
I came to a realization about Punk. I'm becoming less and less interested in him. I know his match is going to be good, no matter what. But they've done to him what they did (imo, of course) to Austin, Rock, Cena, Morrison, and even Michaels and Diesel before them: they take guys who got over as heels and soften them up to make them faces and I stop caring. Crockett and WCW never did that Ric Flair or Arn Anderson when they would go face so it can be done. But the WWE/F seems not to want to push faces as real badasses. Even Austin started being more comical once he was fully turned when before he seemed funny by accident.

He's actually in better shape than both of them as well, it's amazing that he still looks the same as he did as part of the "Ebony Express" but you know what they say black don't crack

As for Punk he's become the equivalent of a nfl/nba player during a contract year, he was on his way out and turned up the intensity but the moment he got paid he got fat & happy. Austin was funny but what saved him from being a complete goof was his paranoid tendencies. Rock was always the arrogant jock so he never really changed much. Cena will always stand out as what could've been, and while he has certainly brought them untold millions they missed the boat on his heel turn about 3 years ago. I never liked HBK as a good guy because to me he has always performed better as a heel.

 

[Simply Sickenin']

On another note I don't mind what they're doing with Drew McIntyre but I hope they show some continuity and have mention how Drew embarassed him when he was the "chosen one". Also when was the last time that a guy who was talented but not quite there went to Raw via the draft and actually grew in stature.

100% cosign

Drafting a guy from Smackdown to Raw is usually the kiss of death for any kind of progress or heat the person had going. Every year there's always one guy that on that upper mid card level on Smackdown that could have made it if they WOULDN'T have been drafted to Raw. Remember MVP back in 09 or 08 or whichever draft that was. He held onto the US title for months on Smackdown and had some real good feuds. Then he came to Raw, jobbed out to HHH and disappeared from TV.
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[St_clair_OG]

1-2 -12

is it Jerico or Taker

 

[The Pope]

NoDQ.com > WWE > Ex-Diva Upset With WWE's Treatment Of Natalya
Posted by Steve Carrier on 12/31/2011 at 05:17 PM

Friday's episode of SmackDown saw Alicia Fox drop Natalya with a Scissors Kick for the decisive win in a tag team match. Then with Natalya still reeling, Tamina blasted her own partner with a kick to the face, followed up by a Superfly Splash from the top rope. Former Diva Cherry, a close friend of Natalya's, was alarmed by WWE's shabby treatment of the third-generation grappler.

She tweeted, "WWE have lost their minds! I have no idea what the hell they're doing to Natalya! You're wasting the talent of one of the best wrestlers you've got!"

Regarding the loss, Natalya wrote, "It's not how hard you get hit, but how Many times you get hit, get up and keep on fighting. That's hart...I mean heart

who did Natalya piss off ??? about a month ago her and Beth Phoenix were dominating the Diva's division but now she's getting her ass kicked by Alicia Fox on a weekly basis and now this ??? I could only imagine this is going to lead to another face turn by Nattie.

 

[The Pope]

daamn..thankfully she not looking like ashley from hardcore pawn anymore wonder if she trying to get back on camera in wwe

you never know with them...she might show up for a couple of segments like she did when CM Punk & Triple HHH had their match

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I believe that in his infinite genius Vince feels like making a guy more comical means that that person is going to be liked by kids which equals t-shirt and merchandise sales. Too bad that he doesn't get that it also means that wrestling heads stop buying their stuff and also stop buying PPVs.

On another note I don't mind what they're doing with Drew McIntyre but I hope they show some continuity and have mention how Drew embarassed him when he was the "chosen one". Also when was the last time that a guy who was talented but not quite there went to Raw via the draft and actually grew in stature.

C/S the first part. That's why I when people expound on the "genius" of Vince McMahon.

I can't name a guy who actually blew up after a draft to Raw and that include Del Rio who won two world titles. He looked more like a real top guy on SD than on Raw with the WWE title on his waist.

For a match, maybe. Full time, no. That concussion at Wrestlemania apparently scared him and I doubt that he wants to be on the road that frequently either.

He might pop back up for a payday but he's never coming back full time.

He's actually in better shape than both of them as well, it's amazing that he still looks the same as he did as part of the "Ebony Express" but you know what they say black don't crack

STFU!!!! I know you did not remember his old team name with his brother.
And it was the "Ebony Experience" when they were in Global.

As for Punk he's become the equivalent of a nfl/nba player during a contract year, he was on his way out and turned up the intensity but the moment he got paid he got fat & happy. Austin was funny but what saved him from being a complete goof was his paranoid tendencies. Rock was always the arrogant jock so he never really changed much. Cena will always stand out as what could've been, and while he has certainly brought them untold millions they missed the boat on his heel turn about 3 years ago. I never liked HBK as a good guy because to me he has always performed better as a heel.

With Punk, when he was walking out the door, they let him do him just to show that they could. Now that they got him, they're watering him down and I think, some folks in the office want him to fail.
The problem I had with Rock as a face was he went from a guy talking shit to an opponent like any good heel to playing to the crowd and telling jokes, same with Austin. I just got the latest SCSA dvd and watching the vignettes, I was struck by the difference and how I felt then came back to me.
HBK, especially when they got DX started, was a perfect heel but he lost me when he turned face the first time after losing to Diesel at Mania 11. He was dull as shit for the next two years. He was like Punk now: I knew his match was going to be entertaining but I wasn't as interested in his promos and other work.


Damn shame what they're doing to Natalya.

 

[Simply Sickenin']

who did Natalya piss off ??? about a month ago her and Beth Phoenix were dominating the Diva's division but now she's getting her ass kicked by Alicia Fox on a weekly basis and now this ??? I could only imagine this is going to lead to another face turn by Nattie.

Who the fuck is Cherry? ​

 

[Curtwalk]

Who the fuck is Cherry? ​

 

[dirtyd]

C/S the first part. That's why I when people expound on the "genius" of Vince McMahon.

I can't name a guy who actually blew up after a draft to Raw and that include Del Rio who won two world titles. He looked more like a real top guy on SD than on Raw with the WWE title on his waist.



He might pop back up for a payday but he's never coming back full time.



STFU!!!! I know you did not remember his old team name with his brother.
And it was the "Ebony Experience" when they were in Global.



With Punk, when he was walking out the door, they let him do him just to show that they could. Now that they got him, they're watering him down and I think, some folks in the office want him to fail.
The problem I had with Rock as a face was he went from a guy talking shit to an opponent like any good heel to playing to the crowd and telling jokes, same with Austin. I just got the latest SCSA dvd and watching the vignettes, I was struck by the difference and how I felt then came back to me.
HBK, especially when they got DX started, was a perfect heel but he lost me when he turned face the first time after losing to Diesel at Mania 11. He was dull as shit for the next two years. He was like Punk now: I knew his match was going to be entertaining but I wasn't as interested in his promos and other work.


Damn shame what they're doing to Natalya.

I always got that shit shit mixed up sometimes i would say experience other times express, but my point is still valid

Some people might want Punk to fail but if he isn't bold enough to stop it then ultimately it's all on him. TBH the ice cream bars shit is more annoying than funny, and the fact that he's WWE champ yet the final shot of 2011 was of Cena should tell us all how far he's come.

PS: How many here are hoping the 1-2-12 is Lesnar?

 

[Simply Sickenin']

Deuce and Domino (wow, I actually remember their names) were tag champions.​

PS: How many here are hoping the 1-2-12 is Lesnar?

No way they signed Lesnar and managed to keep it a secret. The Rock wrestling at Survivor Series leaked months in advanced. Vince doesn't know how to keep things a secret anymore.
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[The Pope]

Deuce and Domino (wow, I actually remember their names) were tag champions.​

damn, I forgot all about them..just goes to show how many tag teams that have come and gone through the years


Celebrity Trying to Become New RAW General Manager
Posted by Steve Carrier on 01/01/2012 at 10:56 AM

- Actor Dennis Haskins, better known as Mr. Belding from Saved By The Bell, recently spoke with MemphiSport.com about his quest to become WWE's RAW General Manager.

There is a petition going around on Twitter to get Haskins hired by WWE as the RAW General Manager. Haskins has appeared on Zack Ryder's YouTube show and is a known wrestling fans. There was talk months back of Haskins hosting RAW but it never happened.

The petition currently has less than 400 signatures. Haskins is asking fans to bring "Belding For GM" signs to Monday's RAW Supershow in Memphis. He has received the support from guys like Ryder, The Miz, CM Punk, Diamond Dallas Page and others.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I always got that shit shit mixed up sometimes i would say experience other times express, but my point is still valid

Some people might want Punk to fail but if he isn't bold enough to stop it then ultimately it's all on him. TBH the ice cream bars shit is more annoying than funny, and the fact that he's WWE champ yet the final shot of 2011 was of Cena should tell us all how far he's come.

PS: How many here are hoping the 1-2-12 is Lesnar?

Either Taker or Jericho. I don't think and don't want it to be Lesnar. Vince can save Brock for next year, if he can get him.

Doesn't matter if Punk is bold enough or not, he works for Vince McMahon. Vince decides who looks strong and who doesn't and Punk just isn't his kind of guy and people in the office play into that.
Once upon a time, when guys failed, it was on them but in the current landscape in WWE (and TNA), all the creativity is squashed down and the failures stem from poor office decisions.

 

[dirtyd]

Either Taker or Jericho. I don't think and don't want it to be Lesnar. Vince can save Brock for next year, if he can get him.

Doesn't matter if Punk is bold enough or not, he works for Vince McMahon. Vince decides who looks strong and who doesn't and Punk just isn't his kind of guy and people in the office play into that.
Once upon a time, when guys failed, it was on them but in the current landscape in WWE (and TNA), all the creativity is squashed down and the failures stem from poor office decisions.

Come on Dave you know that at some point Vince starts to work for them. Austin Rock HHH Taker Cena can all call their own shots, and if Punk did complain what are they going to do fire him? Not likely. My guess is now that he gets to sit at the "cool kids table" his frustrations have vanished in favor of a 6-7 figure salary.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Come on Dave you know that at some point Vince starts to work for them. Austin Rock HHH Taker Cena can all call their own shots, and if Punk did complain what are they going to do fire him? Not likely. My guess is now that he gets to sit at the "cool kids table" his frustrations have vanished in favor of a 6-7 figure salary.

You think Punk is at their level already? You think more of him than I do.
Punk hasn't earned the respect, yet, that those guys have and each of them had real bad falling outs with Vince at one time or another (except Cena and that's coming, it always does).
He can complain all day but he's going to do because he's an employee. He was disgruntled all this year and seemingly last year and still went out and worked hard.