Dear OWS; Please Stop Comparing Yourselves to the Black Civil Rights Movement

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Dear Occupy Wall Street: Please, please stop comparing yourself to the black civil rights movement
By Brendan O'Neill US politics Last updated: November 21st, 2011


Occupy protesters flatter themselves by comparing themselves to the civil rights movement
There are many irritating things about the*Occupy*movement, but probably the most irritating is its tendency to black up. Not literally, with boot polish, but politically, in the way its supporters continually crib images and slogans from the black civil rights movement of the 1950s and 60s. Fantastically fancying themselves as the heirs to Martin Luther King and his million-strong march on Washington, the occupiers sing the songs and quote from the books of the civil rights era. When they were turfed out of Zuccoti Park last week, New York's sad-eyed middle-class occupiers sang "We Shall Overcome". When asked by the cops to give their names, occupiers have been known to reply: "Martin Luther King." One supportive article is headlined: “Occupy Wall Street protesters follow Martin Luther King’s arc of justice.”
The sight of well-off white kids rummaging around in black history for a few choice phrases that might make their public temper tantrums appear "with it" and historic is deeply embarrassing. It strikes me that there at least five key differences between the glorified Scouts camping trip that is the*Occupy*movement and the properly inspiring US civil-rights uprising.
1) Blacks in the American South faced serious repression. Denied full voting rights, educational rights, the freedoms of movement and speech and decent jobs, they were on the receiving end of an extreme form of what is these days called “social exclusion”. The same cannot be said for the well-educated youngsters cramming into Wall Street and the area outside St Paul’s Cathedral, who, schooled from birth in the importance of protecting and polishing their own self-esteem, are the most over-flattered generation in living memory.
2) Civil rights activists had to bear the full brunt of state violence. When they marched to demand equality, they were frequently water-cannoned and truncheoned off the streets or attacked with police dogs. In contrast, the occupiers have been treated with kid gloves by the cops (not to mention by politicians, the church and the media). They’ve been allowed to lounge around in public spaces for weeks on end, experiencing only the “tyranny” of polite legal notices asking them to think about vacating.
3) The civil rights movement was a mass movement. In 1963 it got a million people to march on Washington. The Occupy movement is an infinitesimally tiny clique in comparison. There are possibly 50 or so regular campers outside St Paul’s, and according to some reports journalists frequently outnumber activists at Occupy Wall Street. The masses’ distinct lack of interest in the Occupy movement isn’t surprising, considering the official Occupy website has published articles sneeringly claiming the masses have been “brainwashed by the mainstream media”. That’s another difference between old civil rights activists and modern-day occupiers: the former had faith in the goodness of the common people; the latter looks upon the common people as dumbasses whose brain cells have been fried by Fox News.
4) Civil rights activists were thirsty for freedom. If Occupy London’s “Safe Space Policy” is anything to go by, today’s occupiers wouldn’t know freedom if it accosted them in an alleyway. Aping New Labour-style “safe community zones”, the St Paul’s policy outlaws all forms of offensive speech, forbids the consumption of alcohol, proposes zero tolerance of “putting people down” and “competing with people”, and insists that everyone must get “explicit verbal consent before touching someone”. Whether one has to get explicit verbal consent before linking arms with another to sing “We Shall Overcome” is not made clear.
5) Probably the most important difference is that where black civil-rights activists were driven by a deep desire to be full, free, productive members of society, the occupiers have a deep disdain for the mainstream, or the “rat race” as they call it, for those hordes who cluelessly trudge to pointless jobs every day. Their posters and placards chastise Joe Public for being robotic, while graciously informing us that capitalism has turned us all into “chumps or tarts”. Where civil-rights protesters wanted in, the occupiers want out – they want to opt out of a society which in their minority middle-class view is too competitive and vulgar and stuff-obsessed. Consider the different clothing worn by the self-respecting civil-rights activist and the self-regarding occupier. The black marchers on Washington wore their Sunday best, suits and ties, to signal their respectability and desire to be part of society; the modern occupiers wear psychedelic leggings or fancy dress, to signal their scoffing disregard for the straights and squares who make up the vile mainstream world.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/b...-yourself-to-the-black-civil-rights-movement/
 
What they're fighting against could present a landscape for us all way worse than us having to drink out of different water fountains.
 
If all the white people at the OWS got 100k a year jobs tomorrow (excluding the black people) they wouldn't quit the jobs and protest on our behalf.
 
There's a lot of faux outrage about the OWS movement on a number of fronts and I'm not really buying it.

People are legitimately mad and frustrated about the incestuous relationship between government and corporations.

Folks that aren't mad aren't paying attention. Period.
 
I agree with this on so many levels. I've even gotten into arguments with Blacks (mostly Women) about this.

First and foremost...

Most of those OWS Protestors will always have their Whiteness to fall back on. We as Black folks for the most part will continue to face the same old challenges that been with us like...FOREVER!!!

Also, many of these OWS folks are the same ones that benefit from issues such as gentrification, red-lining, re-districting, and other such factors that make their life pretty comfortable compared to Black folks.

I'm not saying OWS folks don't have legitimate gripes. Of Course they do. But don't even make such comparisons to Black folks and our plight in this country. It's disingenuous and disrespectful. And it should absolve many of them of their own Racism.

Those were my major reasons for not participating.

Other than the fact that they took over Zuccotti Park. One of the few spots down in that area where The WORKING 99% could actually chill for a DAMN break.
 
A closer comparison might be with theRussian Revolution...

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son every movement compares themselves to the civil rights movement.

its was so successful and organized and powerful...and this was before cell phones internet twiter and all that shit.

think about being 20 or 21 yrs old and heading to a march where you already know you are gonna get sprayed with mace, powerfull ass fireman hoses and get your ass beat by a billyclub...at best. locked up, injured or killed at worse.

them cacs had a helluva backup plan though. shit worked than a muthafucka and still working now.
 
and if u got a 100k job tomorrow, u would protest? :lol:

Already got one. But the point I'm making is that black people are unemployed at alarming rates compared to their (similarly educated white contemporaries) and white people weren't protesting. As soon as they start to lose their homes and start to be become unemployed like us, it's time for us ALL to go out and fight the good fight?:rolleyes:
 
Already got one. But the point I'm making is that black people are unemployed at alarming rates compared to their (similarly educated white contemporaries) and white people weren't protesting. As soon as they start to lose their homes and start to be become unemployed like us, it's time for us ALL to go out and fight the good fight?:rolleyes:

EXACTLY!!!

But to be honest,

A lot of the fault lies with US!

I don't know if it's apathy, fear, comfortability, Not Giving A Shit, lack of knowledge in regards to our history, Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome or what anymore.

It's like we can't, refuse, or don't care to rally around OUR OWN DAMN ISSUES anymore!
 
EXACTLY!!!

But to be honest,

A lot of the fault lies with US!

I don't know if it's apathy, fear, comfortability, Not Giving A Shit, lack of knowledge in regards to our history, Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome or what anymore.

It's like we can't, refuse, or don't care to rally around OUR OWN DAMN ISSUES anymore!

You're fighting over the last dollar when the ones in power are doing everything in their power to make sure that that dollar isn't worth anything. This is bigger than Black and White...the fate of our lives as we know it is at risk. We ALL are making less and less money at fewer and fewer jobs while the price of everything is rising...the middle class is getting eroded as we speak. Then you got the nerve to talk about "fight our own battles" nigga...this is your battle!
 
when ows starts being lynched, shot at, hit with bricks and bottles, have their homes firebombed, waterhosed, beaten, spat upon, etc. by hordes of hate filled whites ALL WITH THE APPROVAL of the local cops, then they can get at me and begin to have that 'we are just like the civil rights era blacks' talk....and even then i'ma tell um to fall back.

right now? they can't even form the words in their mouths
 
You're fighting over the last dollar when the ones in power are doing everything in their power to make sure that that dollar isn't worth anything. This is bigger than Black and White...the fate of our lives as we know it is at risk. We ALL are making less and less money at fewer and fewer jobs while the price of everything is rising...the middle class is getting eroded as we speak. Then you got the nerve to talk about "fight our own battles" nigga...this is your battle!

SORRY KNEE-GROW...

You join them,
And see if they remember YOUR IGNORANT ASS once these OWS folks get what they want.

This has been more than a battle for us for decades.
And where were they all that time?...


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[This is a post by friend of ABLC, Vent Casey, III. He has also written for TheGrio.com. You can find him at @vcthree on Twitter or at his blog Cultured State. -ABLxx]

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So, in yet another critique of Occupy Wall Street–rather, the criticism of activism that operates in a standard of reductionism, to front with a message of “inclusiveness”, this response I got on Twitter…

“I would just appreciate the people who are standing up for you right now and be happy.”

That led to yet another tiring explanation about race v. class issues, and…sigh…whatever.

Yet, I want to consider that response for a moment: why should I be simply be happy and appreciate people “standing up for me right now”? Why? Because they’re there; because they merely exist?

The people “standing up for me right now” have little but a clue of my challenges and struggles—not just now, but in thirty-two years of breathing on this planet. They haven’t much of an idea of the things I’ve seen and experienced in that lifetime. And as such, I feel no compulsion whatsoever to merely applaud an effort. Many people have made “efforts,” but haven’t finished the deal. I’m past the point of congratulations for “efforts.” You want that? Find the teachers in school who told you that it never mattered what the score was in a game, but that you gave it your best.

Cause I’ll tell you straight out that I’ve given my best, and guess what? Still on the bench.

But I should simply appreciate and be thankful for people standing up for me right now, right?

When over four-tenths of the 12.2% of the U.S. population—people who look like me—are incarcerated, yet you try to sell me on the idea of legalization of narcotics as if it would solve that issue? Meanwhile, I’m in a neighborhood where drugs, alcohol, and prostitution persist as a social problem. And nobody stands up for the people who want it out of here; no, they’re Uptown, or in Ballantyne or Steele Creek, or any of the other tiny little neighborhoods here where everyone bails to; mostly safe from this crap.

But let me be thankful for people “standing up for me” now?

When I went through an educational system in Prince George’s County that wasn’t concerned with educating me, as much as they were with tranquilizing me with Ritalin; going to special education schools where a White face was rare—probably 5-9 out of 100 students. No effort by the school to transition me for college; it was all about institutional control to a system. I didn’t get recommended for colleges; I got recommended for an assisted living facility in Baltimore, and a summer jobs program.

Was there anyone—save for my mother—standing up for me, then?

No.

Was there anyone standing up for me when I couldn’t get bank loans to try and advance my education in 2007, for a career in a field I thought I was good for: broadcasting?

No.

Was there anyone standing up for me when politicians from the right attacked us year after year, day after day, as lazy and unmotivated sloths, sucking at the teat of government assistance?

No.

When President Clinton instituted welfare reforms, nobody stood up then, either.

The recent housing crisis was primarily based in subprime lending—lending directly targeted to minorities under the guise that they, too, could participate in the fabled “American Dream”. And that dream sank for many of them—for many of us—because, hell; we couldn’t afford the bill…but nobody stepped in to stop any of it.

Standing up for me? Please.

I’m supposed to act like police brutality and overreach is this brand new concept, when I’ve been hearing that noise since I was at least 10 years old. Once, in 1999, I was pulled over for speeding in Hyattsville, Maryland and surrounded by about five police cars from local and the Park Police; the car was searched, and they found nothing but dust bunnies, but…five police cars. For a traffic stop.

Or the time I was detained by police at Fort Meade (speeding, again…lead foot Willie) and questioned about some neighborhood where drugs were prevalent, as if I knew anything about it…

…were any of these people who I’m supposed to be so grateful for standing up for me then? Or when I got laid off? Or on any of the several trips to social services for aid?

No. No. No.

So how dare anyone—I don’t care if it is some random person on Twitter—tell me what I ought to appreciate and applaud and be thankful for, when the honest-to-God truth about it is this: I’m thankful enough to have survived as long as I have in this state of flux. I’m thankful to have the support of a great mother, who I’ve put under such strain and will never be able to repay for the things she’s done, as well as friends and strangers. This idea that I must be thankful for a bunch of protests and protesters who I’ve never heard one whit from until the middle of September of 2011 is absurd and ludicrous, and ignorant of every damn day of my lived experience since I’ve had any cognizance of it.

Let me be frank: I know the people who’ve stood up for me, and they aren’t camping in the damn park, or being smug, self-regarding polemics on social media platforms.

I already know how bad it’s been for the middle class; we grew up middle class—we went from living in one of the best townhomes in suburban Maryland in 1987, to an apartment condo in 1990, to another in 1991, and evicted in early 1993, where we lost most of everything, and people were still trying to take things from us on the street. Since then, it’s been a trudge uphill from the edge of middle class. And now that I live on my own, I’m not middle class anymore. Not in this neighborhood.

Attempting to explain to me about struggles of minorities and the purpose of the Civil Rights movement as if I wasn’t one, and I never got an education on it (and a unique education it was) is a joke. That’s acting as if I don’t know what this country did to people like Paul Robeson, who was banned from singing in this country over what the HUAC in Congress did to him. Few stood up for his right to merely sing here, back then.

But you’re going to explain to me what Civil Rights means now, right?

No. Sit down.

Pull a history book or three out.

Read up. From Dred Scott onward.

Then get back to me.

I really need for people to stop trying to reduce the experiences of minorities into a context which they’re comfortable with; to start dealing in facts in evidence, instead of ideals and wishful thinking. It’s nice to want everyone to be colorblind, and pretend that we’re “all one people”, but: ask a brown-skinned Muslim man about that on the street. Have you ever seen a group of people turn their back to the street to avoid being seen and then being beat by “their fellow Americans?” This, in the direct aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks? I have. And don’t tell me you haven’t seen the Latinos converge in massive numbers at a spot, looking for day labor and a chance at working for a pittance. I see a lot of people out there, and not one of them look like me, or many of you.

So don’t feed me this Disney nonsense about a colorblind society, when my own eyes have seen that we’re not yet in, or even close to that society; not post-Civil Rights Movement, not post-Civil War, and not now.

And if all you can think to say when I bring this up is to go to the “class” argument; where valid arguments about systemic bigotry are constantly reduced to “it’s not about that, it’s about corporatism/money/Wall Street/The 1%/etc., then please: stop and ask yourself how likely it is, if we were actually “equal”, for you to get a loan or a job or an opportunity to start a business, apart from me. Think long and hard about it.

Maybe that’s the point when you’ll begin to understand why we’re not out there with you, or simply won’t applaud “efforts.” The way I see it, and I speak only for myself: I’m being asked to be in solidarity with a group of people who I’ve never seen in solidarity with me on much of anything, ever. And for what? So they can get back to level field, and I’m still climbing up from the hole? Either we’re going for a level playing field, or we’re not. Either we’re going to address these systemic problems which persist in high minority unemployment and a minority underclass that cannot economically compete on level, or we’re not. And if we’re not going to address these issues, or just going to be told to address them apart from the main theme? What the hell is the point?

And that’s why I’m not just simply going to be “thankful” that people are speaking up for me, or merely applaud. In fact, the idea that people are “speaking” on my behalf is a lie. I’ve been speaking up for seven years, on a variance of topics concerning issues with politics, sports, race, and gender. I don’t need anyone to say for me what I can’t express in writing, or speak from my own mouth. And I’ll be damned if I’m going to ask permission to do it. I speak for me, because no one else has been or does at present.

If only people would start listening.

But by default, I know they won’t. Well, not the people who need to, anyway.

http://www.angryblacklady.com/2011/11/28/no-i-will-not-shut-up-and-smile-by-vcthree/
 
There's a lot of faux outrage about the OWS movement on a number of fronts and I'm not really buying it.

People are legitimately mad and frustrated about the incestuous relationship between government and corporations.

Folks that aren't mad aren't paying attention. Period.



i came in here ready to agree with article but the writer seems to be using the civil rights movement and misinformation to undermine the OWS protest



havin said that there are alot of negatives that can be said about all the OWS stuff

Already got one. But the point I'm making is that black people are unemployed at alarming rates compared to their (similarly educated white contemporaries) and white people weren't protesting. As soon as they start to lose their homes and start to be become unemployed like us, it's time for us ALL to go out and fight the good fight?:rolleyes:


SORRY KNEE-GROW...

You join them,
And see if they remember YOUR IGNORANT ASS once these OWS folks get what they want.

This has been more than a battle for us for decades.
And where were they all that time?...


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:yes:
when been dealin with this bullshit since they freed us dudes like John brown have been few an far between. an like every other time when poor whites start to realize that they arent much better off than black folks, the rich will throw them cacs a bone an they'll forget all about this protest crap
 
There's a lot of faux outrage about the OWS movement on a number of fronts and I'm not really buying it.

People are legitimately mad and frustrated about the incestuous relationship between government and corporations.

Folks that aren't mad aren't paying attention. Period.

I agree. Plus you don't fuck with WAWs money. They want us fighting about shit like race and what the OWS movement is compared to. Every time the peasants are bickering, the rich and powerful WAWs are like :yes:

As shit gets worse for whites, it will get worse for us. People need to stop the pissing contest and pay attention to the real issue: CORPORATIONS CONTROLLING THE GOVERNMENT.


 
You can t occupy wall street and then give those same corporations on wall street a record breaking holiday shopping season....
 
There's a lot of faux outrage about the OWS movement on a number of fronts and I'm not really buying it.

People are legitimately mad and frustrated about the incestuous relationship between government and corporations.

Folks that aren't mad aren't paying attention. Period.

:yes:

And a self proclaime free thinker like bigirl should be able to see that.
You would think there aren't any Black people in the Occupy movement.
 
:yes:

And a self proclaime free thinker like bigirl should be able to see that.
You would think there aren't any Black people in the Occupy movement.

There are not that many. Is mostly overwhelmingly white. I am well aware of the cointelpro going on to discredit and matter of fact this article was written by a whiteboy. I was waiting to see if anyone picked up on it. However, the fact remains that a lot of people are turned off by the spoiled white brat aspect of it including myself.
 
SORRY KNEE-GROW...

You join them,
And see if they remember YOUR IGNORANT ASS once these OWS folks get what they want.

This has been more than a battle for us for decades.
And where were they all that time?...


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here's a question what does OWS want thats exclusionary of blacks?
 
There are not that many. Is mostly overwhelmingly white. I am well aware of the cointelpro going on to discredit and matter of fact this article was written by a whiteboy. I was waiting to see if anyone picked up on it. However, the fact remains that a lot of people are turned off by the spoiled white brat aspect of it including myself.

for all of these people coming out of the woodwork now to complain about OWS for whatever reason why didn't do something like this earlier?
 
for all of these people coming out of the woodwork now to complain about OWS for whatever reason why didn't do something like this earlier?

What do you think would happen if the same thing was going on but it was mostly Black people?
 
Already got one. But the point I'm making is that black people are unemployed at alarming rates compared to their (similarly educated white contemporaries) and white people weren't protesting. As soon as they start to lose their homes and start to be become unemployed like us, it's time for us ALL to go out and fight the good fight?:rolleyes:

c/s That is what all this is all about. Welcome to our world where nothing is given or guaranteed. When I graduated from college I knew getting a good job was going to be hard and that I was going to work my butt off to get it. Fuck em. I think a lot of people that are with the OWS are straight up socialist, communist, racist, anarchist, entitlement mentality or a combination of all of those.
 
c/s That is what all this is all about. Welcome to our world where nothing is given or guaranteed. When I graduated from college I knew getting a good job was going to be hard and that I was going to work my butt off to get it. Fuck em. I think a lot of people that are with the OWS are straight up socialist, communist, racist, anarchist, entitlement mentality or a combination of all of those.

I actually think a lot of them are clueless idiots just following along cause its "cool". i also know a number of guys who make regular rounds there to pick up white girls.
 
You can t occupy wall street and then give those same corporations on wall street a record breaking holiday shopping season....

Exactly. People complaining about Corps while listening to their iPods in the park.

This is a really incomplete critique. Though I agree that excessive consumerism is problematic (which by extension means that we all share some blame for the current state of affairs) the simple reality is that the larger/more relevant issue is the porous relationship between corporations and government that sees regulations/policies drafted to ensure massive profits at the literal expense of your average working class taxpayer.

Most OWS protestors (who are using "ipods") don't have accounts with Berkshire Hathaway.... so the criticism really misses the mark. Moreover this protest isn't "anti-capitalist" as Fox and hard-right (ie most business news) outlets have spun it. Capitalism is fine.... crony capitalism isn't. We have a situation now where Financial Institutions in particular have socialized their losses and privatized their profits... how is that "capitalism"? Corporations are dictating the regulatory framework that is meant to oversee their actions via government representatives who are bought and paid for. If you can't see what folks are outraged about you are not paying attention to what's going on at all.

:yes:

And a self proclaime free thinker like bigirl should be able to see that.
You would think there aren't any Black people in the Occupy movement.

Exactly.... the whole thing obfuscates the larger issues anyhow.

c/s That is what all this is all about. Welcome to our world where nothing is given or guaranteed. When I graduated from college I knew getting a good job was going to be hard and that I was going to work my butt off to get it. Fuck em. I think a lot of people that are with the OWS are straight up socialist, communist, racist, anarchist, entitlement mentality or a combination of all of those.

Nothing is guaranteed except the fact that we live in a corporatocracy. :rolleyes:

You're missing the point. Please refer to my post above.

I agree. Plus you don't fuck with WAWs money. They want us fighting about shit like race and what the OWS movement is compared to. Every time the peasants are bickering, the rich and powerful WAWs are like :yes:

As shit gets worse for whites, it will get worse for us. People need to stop the pissing contest and pay attention to the real issue: CORPORATIONS CONTROLLING THE GOVERNMENT.



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son every movement compares themselves to the civil rights movement.

its was so successful and organized and powerful...and this was before cell phones internet twiter and all that shit.

EXACTLY!! Even white conservative right wing groups like Promise Keepers and Militia incorporate methods and strategies of not only the "civil" rights movement but the Black Power movement as well.
Some even go so far as to quote Huey Newton or Stokely Carmichael (they NEVER quote Rap Brown though, lol)



SORRY KNEE-GROW...

You join them,
And see if they remember YOUR IGNORANT ASS once these OWS folks get what they want.

This has been more than a battle for us for decades.
And where were they all that time?...


You're absolutely correct, but even still the OWS protestors are NOT THE ENEMY regardless of what rhetoric they spout. Articles like this one only serve to try to dismantle the concept of the 99% percenters.
Ninety-nine is a BIG fucking number even those 1 percenters with all their resources can't overcome it. But they can if you have people trying to chip away and make it say 75%
 
when ows starts being lynched, shot at, hit with bricks and bottles, have their homes firebombed, waterhosed, beaten, spat upon, etc. by hordes of hate filled whites IN COLLUSION WITH the local cops, then they can get at me and begin to have that 'we are just like the civil rights era blacks' talk....and even then i'ma tell um to fall back.

right now? they can't even form the words in their mouths

Fixed.
 
What do you think would happen if the same thing was going on but it was mostly Black people?

that shouldn't matter..if a cause is just then its worth doing something about it.

the bottom line is that OWS is a specific protest about a specific thing..namely how the banks and financial institutions are fucking over everyone else (including blacks).

The idea that we should demand that the organizers expand the protest to include judicial injustice, problems in the black community, and black unemployment specifically is kinda ridiculous IMO..

we can't wait or expect others to do for us when it comes to shit like this..
 
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