Mcdonalds Incident.... Self defense???

I notice you never respond to ALL that's being said. Just the parts you think you can knock down.

You address Gene's "projecting himself" because he says what he would've done, but step over what he said about the girls trying to get up to continue an attack.

YOU dont know WHAT the girls are doing behind the counter to make this guy hit them after they were down. Neither do I, I wont pretend to. But I wont allow YOU to pretend EITHER by saying his actions were EXCESSIVE.

You dont see any more than we do.

But what we DO see is the girls WHOLE act that got them the beating they got.

Will we speak on THEIR ability to control themselves? or are girls not accountable?

And if we will? WHEN? Page 155??

I do address it. I said you can tell by his body language. What they were doing. I even gave a breakdown for it. You can't ALLOW me to not do anything. Nothing YOU or anyone on this board who is not directly affiliated with this case; Who wasn't a McDonald's employee in that kitchen who didn't have rebar, is going to convince me what i was seeing isn't what i was seeing.

I've already spoken on those women.
 
Mom of burger flipper caught on video beating two McDonald's customers defends son

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...m_backs_son_in_mcds_attack.html#ixzz1bHEYr9ns


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The mom of the burger flipper caught on video beating two unruly McDonald's customers insists her ex-con son was just trying to get his life together when things went wrong on the late shift.

Rayon McIntosh appeared in Manhattan Criminal Court yesterday to face assault and weapons charges in the Greenwich Village beatdown seen round the Net.

"My son is a loving individual - not a criminal," said the 52-year-old mom, who did not give her name. "He wasn't walking the streets and looking for a fight or trying to rob somebody. He was working."

McIntosh, 31, spent more than a decade behind bars in the 2000 slaying of a classmate.

In the incident last Thursday at the Mickey D's on W. Third St., he apparently snapped when Denise Darbeau and Rachel Edwards, both 24, allegedly lobbed a barrage of insults at him and co-workers.

Michael Joseph, who was also working that night, testified that one of the women yelled at a third employee: "F--k you! I hope you get deported."

When the two women jumped over the counter, he said, McIntosh grabbed a metal rod and started hitting the two. Darbeau suffered a fractured skull.

McIntosh was held in lieu of $40,000 bail and is due in court Dec. 2.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...m_backs_son_in_mcds_attack.html#ixzz1bHEEBAZj

What a biased article. Not once did they mention the slap, and him retreating to avoid the confrontation. Its too crucial to omit.
 
Facts vs opinions as it pertains to this incident.

fact..he questioned their 50
fact..they cursed him out,called him a N...a said he /someone was a mexican and should be deported.
fact.. she called him a bitch,he said her mom is a bitch.
fact she slapped him in the face,he walked out of camera view retreating away from cash.
fact.. they jumped over the counter in an aggressive and potential violent manner.
fact.. he beat them with a metal rod,while yelling stay down many times
fact.. most as in a high percent of the people on the internet supports this guy.
fact.. there is a legal fun collection going on for this guy not them

opinion
his beating was excessive.
 
Facts vs opinions as it pertains to this incident.

fact..he questioned their 50
fact..they cursed him out,called him a N...a said he /someone was a mexican and should be deported.
fact.. she called him a bitch,he said her mom is a bitch.
fact she slapped him in the face,he walked out of camera view retreating away from cash.
fact.. they jumped over the counter in an aggressive and potential violent manner.
fact.. he beat them with a metal rod,while yelling stay down many times
fact.. most as in a high percent of the people on the internet supports this guy.
fact.. there is a legal fun collection going on for this guy not them

opinion
his beating was excessive.

I just love the way some of the media are omitting important factors like the fact that one of the "victims" slapped the dude which in itself is actually assault.:smh::smh:

Even the prosecution are presenting video evidence that actually has the bits showing the victims clambering over the counter in pursuit of the cashier claiming that that portion of the tape is absent due to a technical glitch. :smh::smh::smh:
 
I just love the way some of the media are omitting important factors like the fact that one of the "victims" slapped the dude which in itself is actually assault.:smh::smh:

Even the prosecution are presenting video evidence that actually has the bits showing the victims clambering over the counter in pursuit of the cashier claiming that that portion of the tape is absent due to a technical glitch. :smh::smh::smh:

You make it seem as if the Defense can't show the whole video....
 
You want me to side with you

No

Lets get one thing perfectly clear here

THIS issue between you and I has NOTHING to do with this thread, the opinions expressed in it or the story posted by OP. You have NEVER addressed ANYTHING that I said in this thread or debated your opinion on it or nothing regarding the story

THIS issue started cuz you are a hatin ass old bandwagon jumping bitch ... all you have done is attack me personally, attack my son, attack my parenting skills, attack my dating life, attack attack attack FOR NO REASON

I never once disrespected you or called you out your name ... you just came at me sideways out of the blue over nothing

So NO this shit has nothing to do with agreeing with me or disagreeing with me and everything to do with the fact that you are seeking props online and used me to try and get them

As long as you continue to be a jealous old bitch and call my name for no reason I will continue to describe you as such

This has gotta be menopause cuz the old coco wouldnt have started shit like this :smh:

You and Dray are cut from the same cloth ... start shit, take it overboard by insulting kids, then run around crying about LS picking on you and how above this you are rotfl Bitch go fuck yourself
 
Facts vs opinions as it pertains to this incident.

fact..he questioned their 50
fact..they cursed him out,called him a N...a said he /someone was a mexican and should be deported.
fact.. she called him a bitch,he said her mom is a bitch.
fact she slapped him in the face,he walked out of camera view retreating away from cash.
fact.. they jumped over the counter in an aggressive and potential violent manner.
fact.. he beat them with a metal rod,while yelling stay down many times
fact.. most as in a high percent of the people on the internet supports this guy.
fact.. there is a legal fun collection going on for this guy not them

opinion
his beating was excessive.

Fact: witnesses testified he kept bashing the female in the back of the head while face down.

Guess he thought he was still in danger...
 
Facts vs opinions as it pertains to this incident.

fact..he questioned their 50
fact..they cursed him out,called him a N...a said he /someone was a mexican and should be deported.
fact.. she called him a bitch,he said her mom is a bitch.
fact she slapped him in the face,he walked out of camera view retreating away from cash.
fact.. they jumped over the counter in an aggressive and potential violent manner.
fact.. he beat them with a metal rod,while yelling stay down many times
fact.. most as in a high percent of the people on the internet supports this guy.
fact.. there is a legal fun collection going on for this guy not them

opinion
his beating was excessive.

So if most people on the internet are on his side (which they are, even on LSA everyone is on his side) then why do the 50 of you in here feel the need to cry about and argue to death the opinions of a few people who dont agree for 30 damn pages???

We arent going to be on the jury so why are you insisting that we agree with you and dont form our own opinions:confused:
 
Fact: witnesses testified he kept bashing the female in the back of the head while face down.

Guess he thought he was still in danger...

They testified the he struck the girl in the back, not the back of her head. The head shot is what knocked her to the floor.
 
I do address it. I said you can tell by his body language. What they were doing. I even gave a breakdown for it. You can't ALLOW me to not do anything. Nothing YOU or anyone on this board who is not directly affiliated with this case; Who wasn't a McDonald's employee in that kitchen who didn't have rebar, is going to convince me what i was seeing isn't what i was seeing.

I've already spoken on those women.

His body language doesnt speak for their actual actions.

You can pretend to yourself that it does but it doesnt.

You can see what your mind wants you to see.

And you're right. Nobody on this board knows. I've already said that..but guess what?


YOU WERENT THERE EITHER. BUT YOU'RE READY TO HANG THE MAN.
 
Mom of burger flipper caught on video beating two McDonald's customers defends son

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...m_backs_son_in_mcds_attack.html#ixzz1bHEYr9ns


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The mom of the burger flipper caught on video beating two unruly McDonald's customers insists her ex-con son was just trying to get his life together when things went wrong on the late shift.

Rayon McIntosh appeared in Manhattan Criminal Court yesterday to face assault and weapons charges in the Greenwich Village beatdown seen round the Net.

"My son is a loving individual - not a criminal," said the 52-year-old mom, who did not give her name. "He wasn't walking the streets and looking for a fight or trying to rob somebody. He was working."

McIntosh, 31, spent more than a decade behind bars in the 2000 slaying of a classmate.

In the incident last Thursday at the Mickey D's on W. Third St., he apparently snapped when Denise Darbeau and Rachel Edwards, both 24, allegedly lobbed a barrage of insults at him and co-workers.

Michael Joseph, who was also working that night, testified that one of the women yelled at a third employee: "F--k you! I hope you get deported."

When the two women jumped over the counter, he said, McIntosh grabbed a metal rod and started hitting the two. Darbeau suffered a fractured skull.

McIntosh was held in lieu of $40,000 bail and is due in court Dec. 2.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...m_backs_son_in_mcds_attack.html#ixzz1bHEEBAZj

Fuck the racist white media. Theses black females fucked with the wrong dude. They will learn one day.
 
They testified the he struck the girl in the back, not the back of her head. The head shot is what knocked her to the floor.

That makes it better? Point is he kept striking while she was face down.......sick
The decision, by Manhattan Criminal Court Justice Gerald Lebovitz, followed a court hearing in which prosecutors argued successfully that video and eyewitness accounts support felony assault charges against the alleged fast food fiend.

"The defendant had no reason to strike [customer Denise Darbeau, 24, of Queens] on the back when she was face down," argued assistant district attorney Jamie Hickey Mendoza. "That action by the defendant was not reasonable," he said, noting that Darbeau suffered a skull fracture.


http://m.nypost.com/p/news/local/ma...fense_jury_decide_self_ELndkaTllT8oTwmEM3GHXM
 
I disagree. I think you're biased. And the way you respond to this thread, and certain words you use? Shows your bias. You keep using words and phrases that prove you're projecting yourself onto this situation. You just will not look at the facts presented will you? Your bias is clouding your vision of that video.

I don't care that they were women. I would've said the same exact thing if those were men. I would look at the tape. And see what happened and my response would be the same. "he's going to jail. Because he was excessive." Based on experience. And what i see on the tape.

If you are referring me being bias to individuals who are victims, then you are correct. The man was doing his job and was attacked by two thugs. I am sick of hearing and reading about thugs on the attack.

And to the video, he stopped AFTER they stopped trying to get up. Not excessive at all. Turn on prison documentaries and see how guards handle attackers just like these two thugs. The attackers are hit until they comply.

Fam, a lot of the times I hear you speaking on lifting weights. I assume your a big enough in size to protect yourself. Me I would not resort to a weapon on two females when I know I have the size and weight advantage. I would watched her jump over that counter stood there when she made a move I would have layed her out right where she stood. No need for a weapon, and how do any of you explain the hit to her back? If you watch the video closely you can see him shake his head with enjoyment as he swung the rod.

I'm over 6'3" 265 solid and have trained in jui jitsu, mma and boxing. All that shit means jack fuck all on the street. I have seen 130lb women slice and dice. Little tupac looking niggas leave people my size with holes in their heads. I just have seen shit happen so quick. One minute someone doesn't have a weapon, and when they get close enough to you....Bam...weapon. When attackers are so bold, you have to wonder why they are so bold if they have the supposed disadvantage.

A thug is a thug in my book. They left the pussy card on the other side of the counter.
 
I just love the way some of the media are omitting important factors like the fact that one of the "victims" slapped the dude which in itself is actually assault.:smh::smh:

Even the prosecution are presenting video evidence that actually has the bits showing the victims clambering over the counter in pursuit of the cashier claiming that that portion of the tape is absent due to a technical glitch. :smh::smh::smh:

I had it explained to me that just slap itself isn't grounds for assault. It's menacing. In Florida it's assault. I was wondering why she didn't get charged either. But that's how it was explained to me. If she had left a mark on him or cut him or something it's assault.
 
Yall bugging trying to justify that shit and I'm not talking about him grabbing the bar, EVEN after he grabbed the bar he had the reach and advantage to fuck them LIMBS UP!!!!!!!!!

Hit them legs and arms and incapacitate them broads EASILY!!!!

That beast need to be off the streets cause all you cats would be the same motherfuckers wanting to murder him for hitting your UNARMED sister/daughter/cousin/girl/EX-girl in the same manner.

Nigga wrong, he did ten years in jail, he clearly must have SOME degree of knuckle game to get out and not do additional bid for stabbings or using implements in jail. So he had the wherewhithal to subdue the aggressors without going overboard the same way many of yall talk about police brutality....GOING TOO FAR!!!

Stop it already, put him back on time out, he not ready....clearly.

More importantly having done TIME and knowing he has to deal with unruly customers within first week of working I can gaurantee he was supposed to call for manager anytime someone fucking with HIS FREEDOM, fuck what someone say, I always think of my freedom and my kids and just swallow that shit..........OR I play the motherfucking victim and do everything within the law to set up whoever I DO want to get my hands on for fucking with me....file report FIRST. Call for superior FIRST!!!, CREATE CLEAR ATTEMPTS TO AVOID CONFLICT FIRST, then if shit continue I'm able to beast-mode to a degree knowing I'm covered more or less and even then I STILL KNOW the risk.

Stop it yall.
 
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So if most people on the internet are on his side (which they are, even on LSA everyone is on his side) then why do the 50 of you in here feel the need to cry about and argue to death the opinions of a few people who dont agree for 30 damn pages???

We arent going to be on the jury so why are you insisting that we agree with you and dont form our own opinions:confused:

1)Takes more than one to argue,seek the mirror for your answer.
2)Am only going to speak for myself on your second question,this is merely conversation/discussion to me,at no time have i said you or that other chick and a few others who sees things different than me should agree with me.
feel free to point it out to me.
3)Since you like to ask questions here is one for you,Why do you think most people on the internet who has seen this video sides with him and not the two females,and has no real issues with his course of action.
 
His body language doesnt speak for their actual actions.

You can pretend to yourself that it does but it doesnt.

You can see what your mind wants you to see.

And you're right. Nobody on this board knows. I've already said that..but guess what?


YOU WERENT THERE EITHER. BUT YOU'RE READY TO HANG THE MAN.

I disagree. his body does show it. I just said it was excessive. And i said that's how it's going to be seen by the court.
 
Yall bugging trying to justify that shit and I'm not talking about him grabbing the bar, EVEN after he grabbed the bar he had the reach and advantage to fuck them LIMBS UP!!!!!!!!!

Hit them legs and arms and incapacitate them broads EASILY!!!!

That beast need to be off the streets cause all you cats would be the same motherfuckers wanting to murder him for hitting your UNARMED sister/daughter/cousin/girl/EX-girl in the same manner.

Nigga wrong, he did ten years in jail, he clearly must have SOME degree of knuckle game to get out and not do additional bid for stabbings or using implements in jail. So he had the wherewhithal to subdue the aggressors without going overboard the same way many of yall talk about police brutality....GOING TOO FAR!!!

Stop it already, put him back on time out, he not ready....clearly.

Hit them in the legs and arms? come on man you act as if he was trained in the use of a baton :lol::lol:

The man had a reasonable belief to believe his life was in danger once those dykes crossed that counter.. He ain't know what they had on them..

Ya'll niggas need to stop this monday morning quarter backing...
 
I just love the way some of the media are omitting important factors like the fact that one of the "victims" slapped the dude which in itself is actually assault.:smh::smh:

Even the prosecution are presenting video evidence that actually has the bits showing the victims clambering over the counter in pursuit of the cashier claiming that that portion of the tape is absent due to a technical glitch. :smh::smh::smh:

If a cut/gash or something along those lines can be shown thats caused from the slap they would have been charged accordingly even if its from a ring/bracelet etc..

the law for you huh.
 
A jury is going to reach a gilty verdict when overwhelmingly the general public sides with the guy? The same general public that can be called for jury duty.

If he is truly going to be judged by a jury of his peers (his age) then I think they would easily say not guilty or possibly convict him on maybe one charge. Maybe violation of probation or someshit.
 
A jury is going to reach a gilty verdict when overwhelmingly the general public sides with the guy? The same general public that can be called for jury duty.

If he is truly going to be judged by a jury of his peers (his age) then I think they would easily say not guilty or possibly convict him on maybe one charge. Maybe violation of probation or someshit.

in a perfect world....

but remember there was a glitch in the video tape so the jury will probably only see the beating and not what lead up to it.... :smh::rolleyes:
 
That beast need to be off the streets cause all you cats would be the same motherfuckers wanting to murder him for hitting your UNARMED sister/daughter/cousin/girl/EX-girl in the same manner.

Stop it yall.

........

nobody in my family or i'm friends with would slap a cashier at mcdonalds and hop behind the counter chasing them to attack them
none of them
so this shit wouldn't even happen....
 
No

Lets get one thing perfectly clear here

THIS issue between you and I has NOTHING to do with this thread, the opinions expressed in it or the story posted by OP. You have NEVER addressed ANYTHING that I said in this thread or debated your opinion on it or nothing regarding the story

THIS issue started cuz you are a hatin ass old bandwagon jumping bitch ... all you have done is attack me personally, attack my son, attack my parenting skills, attack my dating life, attack attack attack FOR NO REASON

I never once disrespected you or called you out your name ... you just came at me sideways out of the blue over nothing

So NO this shit has nothing to do with agreeing with me or disagreeing with me and everything to do with the fact that you are seeking props online and used me to try and get them

As long as you continue to be a jealous old bitch and call my name for no reason I will continue to describe you as such

This has gotta be menopause cuz the old coco wouldnt have started shit like this :smh:

You and Dray are cut from the same cloth ... start shit, take it overboard by insulting kids, then run around crying about LS picking on you and how above this you are rotfl Bitch go fuck yourself

I said you're picking on me???? Do you think I'm worried about YOU. You keep proving both me and Dray's and everyone else point about how delusional and crazy you are. You're really saying we insulted your child, but actually no one said anything that wasn't true, since you keep wanting to bring up the issue of your child. Look up the definition of bastard, since this is what was said.

Don't worry about what CoCo is going through, because one thing for sure, I got this!!!!! See you're not hitting a nerve by calling me old, fat, etc, because I know the truth. I love my age and I love how life is for me right now. But for you to keep flying off the handle like you are, there must be some truth to what everyone is saying. Making death threats, it really would be sad for you to go to jail behind being foolish. Is all this worth it???

Keep playing victim, it's doing well for you. And I'm happy to be cut from the same cloth as Dray...he's successful, something you're still trying to achieve, but can't log off long enough to accomplish that. That's the bandwagon your ass need to jump on.

Again look at my join date and post count and look at yours, and then ask who's looking for eprops, looking for wagons, etc.

This jealous thing you keep coming with and the reasons you keep stating, are hysterical. :lol::lol:
 
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I disagree. his body does show it. I just said it was excessive. And i said that's how it's going to be seen by the court.


Feel how you like about it. Not tryna change your mind...

Just remember your feelings and interpretations are as good as anyone elses here.

If no one can tell you shit cuz they weren't there,

What puts you in such an adamant position?



I must'a missed the part of the vid where you walked in...



And someone...please point out where LI spoke on these womens's lack of control...

I came in late.
 
3)Since you like to ask questions here is one for you,Why do you think most people on the internet who has seen this video sides with him and not the two females,and has no real issues with his course of action.

I dont care why most people side with him ... my opinion is not based on how others feel about ANYTHING ... I think he used excessive force and thats that

You're really saying we insulted your child, but actually no one said anything that wasn't true, since you keep wanting to bring up the issue of your child. Look up the definition of bastard, since this is what was said.

Keep playing victim

1. I'm not playing victim ... I'm pointing out that you are hating on me for no reason and that you are attacking my son for no reason ... I'm just letting it be known that you are an old jealous hatin ass bitch ... and you just proved my point by once again referring to him as a bastard to avoid the real issue of where your hate and jealous towards me is coming from

2. Some of us have the "luxury" of having internet access at work ... I'm sorry that you dont have that option available to you at whatever meat packing factory you work in but that shit is not my problem

Throw whatever card at me that you want, shit doesnt change the fact that you and Dray are BOTH classless, tacky old bitches who insults children online cuz you are weak minded and cant think of any REAL comebacks ... you're 57 years old seeking props online from teenage boys and insulting children :smh:
 


And someone...please point out where LI spoke on these womens's lack of control...

I came in late.



It NEVER HAPPENED . . . And it never will. But more importantly, is the CONSPICUOUS absence of the "ANIMAL", "SAVAGE" labeling of the females in this matter.


Mad heads saw the video . . . but the defendant/victim . . . 'BLACK MAN', is the ONLY person being described as such on BGOL. HELL, there's not single comment saying that BOTH parties are savages . . . just the guy . . . no parity.

Just some mumbo jumbo about one-sided restraint.


JG
 
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