I def agree with this.
How America's Top Colleges Avoid Real Diversity
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I def agree with this.
So claim it then.
The racial politics of Brazil is so stark I don't think that would be a fair assessment of your comparison.
Someone is getting it. This is a very simple thing to understand...the fact that its roots are that much more complex for the reason that it is and the reason behind it. If you want to change something, you change from within. In order to change from within you must change from WITHIN.
it's simple.
they have diffrent histories than the united states.
apparently you are unaware of the intervention the united states and europe dealt to south america to stifle its development, from the beginning,
in an attempt to dominate this hemisphere.
source:
http://www.chomsky.info/talks/20061215.htm
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I don't see any issue with African immigrant children taking advantage of elite educational systems. These children are most likely American citizens, so it is their right to take advantage of the civil rights that are afforded to all Americans. Additionally, they are attending PRIVATE institutions, so as along as those elite schools are abiding by civil rights legislation they aren't obligated to do anything more.
Poor African-American students who are bright should try to earn scholarships to afford the tuition for those elite schools, or they should attend PUBLIC institutions and thrive there. The cream always rises to the top, so it doesn't really matter what school one attends. If one is determined to succeed, then that person will excel anywhere.
Poor African-American students who are bright should try to earn scholarships to afford the tuition for those elite schools, or they should attend PUBLIC institutions and thrive there. The cream always rises to the top, so it doesn't really matter what school one attends. If one is determined to succeed, then that person will excel anywhere.
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I want you to really think about this statement for a second. Is this really true of ALL black Americans?
Wow! You must live a sheltered life.
So this article has gone off subject like I suspected it would. People are focusing on the Africans vs African Americans debate...
I think the worrysome ideas are:
1. African Americans are getting left by the wayside, these ivy league schools realize the problem is deep, so they ignore it when they accept first generation Africans...
2. African Americans must demand more of their government. Obama is a prime example of an black person (that did not descend from slaves) who has benefited from his blackness in America
3. The educational disparity is terrible for African Americans, we should be on red alert about this because as America falls behind educationally, African Americans are at the back of the pile...
The American system is the enemy--NOT Africans
I think the worrysome ideas are:
1. African Americans are getting left by the wayside, these ivy league schools realize the problem is deep, so they ignore it when they accept first generation Africans...
2. African Americans must demand more of their government. Obama is a prime example of an black person (that did not descend from slaves) who has benefited from his blackness in America
3. The educational disparity is terrible for African Americans, we should be on red alert about this because as America falls behind educationally, African Americans are at the back of the pile...
The American system is the enemy--NOT Africans
While trying to promote racial diversity, they are disciminating BASED ON NATIONAL ORIGIN???
Mediocrity has become some sort of BADGE of belonging...
Also the HATER mentality is strong in the community. Instead of getting out there and TRYING, mofos would rather sit around and hate on those who TRY.
How much do we(African American) VALUE EDUCATION. We do not know r want to know, how to play the game.....
someone said this above but the bottom line is...
the corporate/educational institutional structure is more accepting of non american blacks...
non american blacks have benefited very well off the backs,blood and sweat of the african-american struggles and achievements in this country...
still black americans should strive fore more (and we do) in order to equal the playing field...
the corporate/educational institutional structure is more accepting of non american blacks...
non american blacks have benefited very well off the backs,blood and sweat of the african-american struggles and achievements in this country...
still black americans should strive fore more (and we do) in order to equal the playing field...
So How was USA able to get in the position to stifle the development of other countries? Surely if they were all built by the bloodshed of Africans wouldnt they have all been equal?....Or maybe we just have to accept USA turned out the way it was not by the labor from the inside, but by the European elite who made it so.
you forget that the united states was no longer a colonial state
at the inception of many of these countries, whose colonial rule in some cases continued into the 20th century.
the bottom line is that these are not comparable.
for example, brazil wasnt independent until 1822,
giving the U.S. at least a half century head start to position itself above countries like brazil. it might seem like relatively insignificant amount of time today, but this period was crucial for the development of the current power structure in the western hemisphere.
this doesn't even address the different degrees of infighting and instability that naturally springs from independence from a colonial power.
for this, each country is unique. in spite of this, whatever viability brazil had and continues to enjoy rests on the
foundations that the slaves in that country built.
it is becoming clear that your earlier question that, "why didn't the other american countries, built on slave labor, become the U.S.?" springs from ignorance from the history of nations of this hemisphere.
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Portugal never was able to successfully rule brazil the way the UK did with the 13 colonies. Even then if African slave labor was the key cause for success in a nation then there would be not a single poor African(or American) nation.
Singling out a single group making a world class nation world class is nothing short of arrogance. America was built on the bloodshed of Asians, Africans, and Europeans....so why dont Asians who come over later ever get the same shit from Asian americans that africans get? You dudes want us to come over and kiss your ass, when you guys have shown that you dont even like foreign Africans(be them from the west indies or Africa) who dont bow to your cultural hegemony.
you shouldnt discuss economics that you clearly dont understand.
your point about being a part of the nation's success is correct. we are a vital part of the establishing of this nation, but we get sick of you foreigners saying shit like we are "lucky" to be here like we didnt earn the birthright.
with regard to having you bow down, actually we don't care. africans will never reach a population in the united states to be of any real significance. you dont matter here or on the world stage. perhaps it is your arrogance in believing that we give a shit about your presence.
Do you try to understand why they would say you are lucky? Have you ever been to a truly POOR country?
And as far as not being significant.....African with 1 generation
Chiyo getting destroyed by an African American.
Funny how Africans shit on American Blacks but make their opinions from what they see on tv. I've always wondered how so called Africans are so smart but their countries are so fucked up. From being tricked into selling their own Black man into slavery to having Whits take over their countries. ( south Africa).
everything 'african' about this man left when his pops skipped town. that shit is an african pipe dream.
let me ask you what african languages does he speak? it wasn't african values that made him, nor was it support from africa that educated him or made him president.
Do you try to understand why they would say you are lucky? Have you ever been to a truly POOR country?
And as far as not being significant.....African with 1 generation
Blood dosent lie. Harvard legacy from his Luo father.
Blood may not lie but perception does.
we [african americans] all have african blood, its not just obama. which is something he even has discussed. now you are just reaching. as a matter of fact, his mixed heritage makes him more quintessential to african-americans [which he claims to be] than africans [which he doesn't], if you want to descend into this 'blood' foolishness.
funny thing his Luo blood didnt tell him to run out on his family.
this is pathetic really. your example suggests that africans aren't worth much of anything without the rest of the diaspora with this example. should have picked Lumumba or Steven Biko.
Why do you think this is? Do you think the average white person is affected the same?
Based on the accounts of experiences of some of the African cats I know, they would agree (as do I) with the bolded statement.
It's funny you say this. A lot of people who were turned over into slavery were the trouble makers and criminals of villages. Like how Australia was a prison land pretty much. If you are spending resources on keeping someone from causing trouble, wouldn't it be better to make some money and be rid of the problem?
Also, black cops can be the worst person to pull you over. Don't act like there aren't blacks here who don't hesitate to sell out their own
If it were not for things like these there would be no reason to fake diversity.
I don't think he means that black Americans are lucky to have been brought over here by slave ships to provide free labor. I think he's getting to the fact that people of other countries literally die to get here. Whether you want to accept it or not, one can take advantage of the opportunities presented to everyone. It may not be as easy a route as a white man who has half a will to succeed, but hard work here does pay off. You cannot deny this.
Yeah we all know about slavery, oppression, and what not. Stop using this as an excuse. Too many people use this as an excuse. Mexican populations were decimated here and pushed out of this country. They still have "reservations" here! But you see they are coming back and setting up a hell of a foundation. Black Americans did also...but somewhere along the lines many blacks got out of that movement.
black americans are not failures. if you want to put a global perspective on it. we hold more capital, property, are more educated, united, and run more institutions than most if not anyone else in the diaspora; and we are doing this in a country that we put major work into helping create.
So black Americans aren't the luckiest motherfukers ever, but the luckiest black people ever? I would agree that a black person in America has more opportunities than any other black person on the planet. This was largely due to the sacrifices of our forefathers. But you sound like a white dude telling somebody to "get over" slavery. Those motherfuckers became billionaires from slave labor. 400 years later and their descendants control the financial system, the top jobs, top schools, etc. We'll get over it when we get our reparations.
Mexicans don't have reservations in America, native Americans who's ancestors were almost wiped out by the white man do.
I didn't say black americans are failures. That is too much of a generalization. Reread my statements. Let's not put a global perspective on it. We are talking about the US aren't we? So let's keep the statistics domestic.
So do you think Mexicans are different from the native Americans who were in this land prior to the Europeans' arrival? If you take a second to think about it, you will arrive at the right answer. So yes, they do have "reservations" here.
Do I really sound like a white man telling someone to get over slavery? Ok here's a better idea, let's all go back in time and free all of the slaves and truly abolish slavery before it gets out of hand. The fact of the matter is, nothing can be done about it. The Moors took over Spain for hundreds of years. You see the Spaniards took it back from them and do quite nicely now. This is an example of not harboring on the past and moving forward.
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