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Solyndra loan: White House pressed on review of solar company now under investigation

By Joe Stephens and Carol D. Leonnig, Published: September 13

EXCLUSIVE | The Obama White House tried to rush federal reviewers for a decision on a nearly half-billion-dollar loan to the solar-panel manufacturer Solyndra so Vice President Biden could announce the approval at a September 2009 groundbreaking for the company’s factory, newly obtained e-mails show.

The Silicon Valley company, a centerpiece in President Obama’s initiative to develop clean energy technologies, had been tentatively approved for the loan by the Energy Department but was awaiting a final financial review by the Office of Management and Budget.

The August 2009 e-mails, released exclusively to The Washington Post, show White House officials repeatedly asking OMB reviewers when they would be able to decide on the federal loan and noting a looming press event at which they planned to announce the deal. In response, OMB officials expressed concern that they were being rushed to approve the company’s project without adequate time to assess the risk to taxpayers, according to information provided by Republican congressional investigators.

Solyndra collapsed two weeks ago, leaving taxpayers liable for the $535 million loan.

One e-mail from an OMB official referred to “the time pressure we are under to sign-off on Solyndra.” Another complained, “There isn’t time to negotiate.”

“We have ended up with a situation of having to do rushed approvals on a couple of occasions (and we are worried about Solyndra at the end of the week),” one official wrote. That Aug. 31, 2009, message, written by a senior OMB staffer and sent to Terrell P. McSweeny, Biden’s domestic policy adviser, concluded, “We would prefer to have sufficient time to do our due diligence reviews.”

White House officials said Tuesday that no one in the administration tried to influence the OMB decision on the loan. They stressed that the e-mails show only that the administration had a “quite active interest” in the timing of OMB’s decision.

“There was interest in when a decision would be made because of its impact on whether an event involving the vice president could be scheduled for a particular date or not, but the loan guarantee decision was merit-based and made by career staffers at DOE,” White House spokesman Eric Schultz said.

Solyndra spokesman David Miller said he was unaware of any direct involvement of the White House in securing or accelerating the loan.

The e-mail exchanges could intensify questions about whether the administration was playing favorites and made costly errors while choosing the first recipient of a loan guarantee under its stimulus program. Solyndra’s biggest investors were funds operated on behalf of the family foundation of Tulsa billionaire and Obama fundraiser George Kaiser. Although he has been a frequent White House visitor, Kaiser has said he did not use political influence to win approval of the loan.

The White House has previously said that it had no involvement in the Solyndra loan application and that all decisions were made by career officials based on the merits of the company.

It is not clear from the e-mails whether the White House
influenced a final decision to approve the loan guarantee.

The Sept. 4, 2009, groundbreaking event went ahead as scheduled, with Energy Secretary Steven Chu in attendance and Biden speaking to the gathering by satellite feed.

Republican investigators for the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which is holding a hearing about Solyndra on Wednesday, concluded that the White House set a closing date for the OMB approval even before the OMB review had begun.

The White House pressure may have had a “tangible impact” on the OMB’s risk assessment of the loan, the congressional investigators concluded.

In one e-mail, an OMB staff member questioned whether the review team was using the best model for determining the financial risk to taxpayers in evaluating the Solyndra deal.

“Given the time pressure we are under to sign-off on Solyndra, we don’t have time to change the model,” the staffer wrote.

Solyndra was a favorite of the administration until two weeks ago, when the company abruptly shuttered its factory and filed for bankruptcy court protection, leaving 1,100 people out of work and taxpayers on the hook for the loans. Last week, FBI agents searched the company’s Silicon Valley headquarters in a raid that Miller said appeared linked to the loan guarantee.

In one e-mail, an assistant to Rahm Emanuel, then White House chief of staff, wrote on Aug. 31, 2009, to OMB about the upcoming Biden announcement on Solyndra and asked whether “there is anything we can help speed along on OMB side.”

An OMB staff member responded: “I would prefer that this announcement be postponed. . . . This is the first loan guarantee and we should have full review with all hands on deck to make sure we get it right.”

In another message, a White House staff member wrote that officials were “walking a fine line with Solyndra needing to begin notifying investors to fly in” for the groundbreaking. It stressed that “this OMB piece” of the review was not final and pointed out that if word of the groundbreaking leaked to the public prematurely, that would “leave us in an awkward place.”

The e-mails also raise questions about whether the administration should have foreseen financial trouble. In August 2009, e-mail exchanges between Energy Department staff members pointed out that a credit-rating agency predicted that the project would run out of cash in September 2011. Solyndra shut its doors on the final day of August.

The House committee has been investigating Solyndra’s dealings with the Energy Department for six months. In July , subcommittee members subpoenaed White House documents related to the guarantee.

Questions about the selection process were first raised in a July 2010 audit by the Government Accountability Office. It concluded that the Energy Department “lacked appropriate tools for assessing the progress” of the loan program and that the department treated applicants inconsistently, “favoring some applicants and disadvantaging others.”

House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-Mich.) and Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.), chairman of that panel’s oversight and investigations subcommittee, said last week that the FBI raid confirmed their belief that the “darling” of Obama’s green-jobs program was a “bad bet” from the beginning.

“Solyndra was the hallmark of the President’s green jobs program and widely promoted by the administration as a stimulus success story, right up until its bankruptcy and FBI raid,” Upton and Stearns said in a statement on Tuesday. “Let’s learn the lessons of Solyndra before another dollar goes out the door.”

Rep. Henry A. Waxman (Calif.) and Rep. Diana DeGette (Colo.) — Democrats on the committee who had once defended the choice of Solyndra — last week also questioned whether they had been misled. In a letter, they wrote that Solyndra chief executive Brian Harrison “did not convey to us the perilous condition of the company, and the Committee should know why. ”
 
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"Did Someone Say Investigation?"
 
Re: Solyndra loan: White House pressed on review of solar company now under investiga

Go investigate Halliburton, Cheney and the Iraq war.

Go investigate why the GOP was against BP paying for the damage caused in the gulf

Go investigate voter suppression

Just some more GOP bullshit. Trying to press new technology cost money and has risk involved.

That company folder because China entered the solar power scene.

Such a bullshit attempt at sidetracking.
 
Re: Solyndra loan: White House pressed on review of solar company now under investiga

Go investigate Halliburton, Cheney and the Iraq war.

Go investigate why the GOP was against BP paying for the damage caused in the gulf

Go investigate voter suppression

Just some more GOP bullshit. Trying to press new technology cost money and has risk involved.

That company folder because China entered the solar power scene.

Such a bullshit attempt at sidetracking.

:yes:

Gunner, how long does that the voter suppression thread have to be before you comment?
 
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They seem very willing to investigate anything about Democrats but nothing about Republicans or Conservative organizations. Now Darrell Issa is blocking an investigation into whether News Corp was tapping 9/11 victim's families phones in America.
 
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Go investigate Halliburton, Cheney and the Iraq war.

Democrats controlled the House from 2006-2010. I can find links if you want, but I remember seeing posts here on BGOL. There was Cheney and the Haliburton contract were investigations.

Remember part of the job of the House is 'oversight'. Don't YOU want to know what happened to the $530+ Million? I don't think anything illegal happened here, I want to know WHY...when Bush turned down the loan to Solyndra. That Obama came in and pulled their loan app out of the files and gave them the money.

Did Solyndra donate to Obama's campaign? Is that why?

A lot of independent voters will be paying attention to this story. Obama asked for and got $787 Billion the last time for stimulus, but we have a 9.1% unemployment rate (9.9% here in Chicago) and still losing 400k jobs a week.
Now, Obama is asking for another $450 Billion.

What wrong with asking questions about how he's giving this money out?
 
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Democrats vow an array of investigations

updated 11/26/2006 12:57:07 PM ET

WASHINGTON — The incoming chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee is promising an array of oversight investigations that could provoke sharp disagreement with Republicans and the White House.

Among the investigations he said he wants the committee to undertake:
  • The new Medicare drug benefit. “There are lots and lots and lots of scandals,” he said, without citing specifics.
  • Spending on government contractors in Iraq, including Halliburton Co., the Texas-based oil services conglomerate once led by Vice President Dick Cheney.
  • An energy task force overseen by Cheney. It “was carefully cooked to provide only participation by oil companies and energy companies,” Dingell said.
 
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Democrats controlled the House from 2006-2010. I can find links if you want, but I remember seeing posts here on BGOL. There was Cheney and the Haliburton contract were investigations.

Remember part of the job of the House is 'oversight'. Don't YOU want to know what happened to the $530+ Million? I don't think anything illegal happened here, I want to know WHY...when Bush turned down the loan to Solyndra. That Obama came in and pulled their loan app out of the files and gave them the money.

Did Solyndra donate to Obama's campaign? Is that why?

A lot of independent voters will be paying attention to this story. Obama asked for and got $787 Billion the last time for stimulus, but we have a 9.1% unemployment rate (9.9% here in Chicago) and still losing 400k jobs a week.
Now, Obama is asking for another $450 Billion.

What wrong with asking questions about how he's giving this money out?

Completely untrue.
No one is saying "don't investigate", we're saying investigate the even more egregious offenses.

Democrats vow an array of investigations

updated 11/26/2006 12:57:07 PM ET

WASHINGTON — The incoming chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee is promising an array of oversight investigations that could provoke sharp disagreement with Republicans and the White House.

Among the investigations he said he wants the committee to undertake:
  • The new Medicare drug benefit. “There are lots and lots and lots of scandals,” he said, without citing specifics.
  • Spending on government contractors in Iraq, including Halliburton Co., the Texas-based oil services conglomerate once led by Vice President Dick Cheney.
  • An energy task force overseen by Cheney. It “was carefully cooked to provide only participation by oil companies and energy companies,” Dingell said.

Which of those things cost less than $530 million?
 
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OMG, they lost on every purchase but the "smart guys" figured they could make up for it in volume! Govt can't create jobs, they only allocate money to secure votes at the next election

Source
Eric Wesoff is an editor at Greentech Media, which has been covering Solyndra since 2008.

"This is speculation," Wesoff wrote about the raid on Sept. 8, "but it would appear that what the FBI is looking for is some evidence that Solyndra's CEO had knowledge of the firm's economic jeapordy even when he failed to mention this in his letters to Congress."

The most recent letter is dated July 13.

"Nowhere in those letters does [Harrison] say 'we are a profitable company.' Wesoff told IBTimes. "He said they were shipping product, and he was right."

Solyndra was indeed shipping product -- at a steady loss.

Both Wesoff and solar industry analyst Peter Lynch believe that Solyndra had been operating with an unsustainable business model from the start.

"You make something in a factory and it costs $6, you sell it for $3, but you really, really need to sell it for $1.50 to be competitive," Lynch told The Washington Post. "It was an insane business model. The numbers just don't work, and they never did."
 
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Both Wesoff and solar industry analyst Peter Lynch believe that Solyndra had been operating with an unsustainable business model from the start. [since 2008]

"You make something in a factory and it costs $6, you sell it for $3, but you really, really need to sell it for $1.50 to be competitive," Lynch told The Washington Post. "It was an insane business model. The numbers just don't work, and they never did."

If this Lynch and Wesoff knew this. If Bush knew this they why didn't Obama and crew know this?? :confused:

Now Obama has FBI agents running around and the AG after solyndra for stuff Obama should have known in the beginning.

As I said above, i don't think anything illegal happened here, just stupidity. If you're gonna throw it away Englewood/West Side of Chicago could've used that $530+ million. If you remember Obama gave Mayor Daley about $1.1 billion in stimulus money (out of that $787 billion) and Daley put that in his pocket.

But we'll never know what happened with Solyndra because next week the UN, Israel, Palestine will be all over the news and this will be buried.
 
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The company I work for just signed an contract to handle there Australia support for them. I was sent out to Newark, NJ for training and received a certificate and t-shirt for them. Soon as the contract was about to start, the company files for bankruptcy. lol. I was sent there free of charge to lean about the product but there were a lot of small business that were from as far away a Porto Rico to learn about the product and get certified so they could install the panels. I felt bad for them because that's money wasted that they cant afford. :smh:
 
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Hold on...............Bush knew about this?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/emails-obama-white-house-monitored-huge-loan-connected/story?id=14508865

^^Don't know how to imbed, check the clip from ABC news.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/16/solyndra-pestered-bush-administration-over-delays-in-approving-federal-loan/


Solyndra Pestered Bush Administration Over Delays in Approving Federal Loan,
Published September 16, 2011
FoxNews.com

WASHINGTON -- Solyndra officials were intensely pressuring Bush administration officials in early January 2009 to approve a government loan for the solar company before the Obama administration took power, according to new emails obtained by Fox News on Friday.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...lays-in-approving-federal-loan/#ixzz1YEL9Z5Sm



http://news.yahoo.com/obama-admin-ignored-warnings-solyndra-221851842.html

Obama admin ignored warnings about Solyndra

^And Associated Press



http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/pdf/Letter_Stearns_09.08.11.pdf

^^Letter from Democrats demanding hearings before Congress


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TO BE FAIR


http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/13/317594/timeline-bush-administration-solyndra-loan-guarantee/

This article says it was Bush who initiated the loan and the Republicans who pushed Obama (and DOE) over the years to give the loan money to Solyndra.

So, as the saying goes it depends on what glasses your looking at this story. I mean Bush has been gone for three years. So how did he force Obama into this loan? Obama is the President and the DOE is under him. How are the Republicans forcing him to give money up to Solyndra.

That thinkprogress article doesn't make sense. But i leave it for you to decide.
 
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Democrats controlled the House from 2006-2010. I can find links if you want, but I remember seeing posts here on BGOL. There was Cheney and the Haliburton contract were investigations.

Remember part of the job of the House is 'oversight'. Don't YOU want to know what happened to the $530+ Million? I don't think anything illegal happened here, I want to know WHY...when Bush turned down the loan to Solyndra. That Obama came in and pulled their loan app out of the files and gave them the money.

Did Solyndra donate to Obama's campaign? Is that why?

A lot of independent voters will be paying attention to this story. Obama asked for and got $787 Billion the last time for stimulus, but we have a 9.1% unemployment rate (9.9% here in Chicago) and still losing 400k jobs a week.
Now, Obama is asking for another $450 Billion.

What wrong with asking questions about how he's giving this money out?

I posted quite a bit on Cheney and Haliburton's no bid contracts and the reason behind the WH decisions to invade Iraq.

I am not overly concerned with the 530 million since most has already been written unless somebody can show some illegality or a valid suspicion.

I am putting this into the many witch hunts done by the GOP including

Whitewater that took almost 8 years and many millions and came up with a misdemeanor obstruction charge.

While Silverado ( Bush son) went with very little mention.


As far as the 530 million loan. What has been written is the initial loan request was submitted under Bush. It was approved under Obama to develop alternative energy options.

That start up then ran into trouble when China entered the solar panel scene and they couldn't compete as a start up.

There are risks involved with any new company and there was risk with this loan.

That company went filed bankruptcy so after they liquidate and split those funds among creditors we will see if the whole 530 was lost.

My problem isn't with the investigation, my problem is with the motive for it ?

Again why did they who are so concerned with money try and block and actually limit what amount BP would be liable for in the gulf.

Why don't the GOP who have no issues at all with military spending ever want to investigate why jet engines never see daylight or certain tanks were busts ?

Again my problem is motive.
 
Re: Solyndra loan: White House pressed on review of solar company now under investiga

Democrats vow an array of investigations

updated 11/26/2006 12:57:07 PM ET

WASHINGTON — The incoming chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee is promising an array of oversight investigations that could provoke sharp disagreement with Republicans and the White House.

Among the investigations he said he wants the committee to undertake:
  • The new Medicare drug benefit. “There are lots and lots and lots of scandals,” he said, without citing specifics.
  • Spending on government contractors in Iraq, including Halliburton Co., the Texas-based oil services conglomerate once led by Vice President Dick Cheney.
  • An energy task force overseen by Cheney. It “was carefully cooked to provide only participation by oil companies and energy companies,” Dingell said.

But what came of those investigations and were they even implemented ?

You mean the drug program that Bush used to get votes and didn't pay for it but now even emergency relief has to be paid for. And that isn't a factor in the deficit .

What came from Haliburton no bid contract investigation and the fact that Cheney had all but bankrupted that company until he got Iraq started

What came about with Bush and Cheney implementing fiscal policy without the Secretary of the Treasury involved ?

The two wars he didn't pay for

The tax breaks and subsidies he didn't pay for ?


But now they are concerned about the money ?


Really.....As I said motive.
 
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OMG, they lost on every purchase but the "smart guys" figured they could make up for it in volume! Govt can't create jobs, they only allocate money to secure votes at the next election

Source


10 years of tax cuts, where are the jobs?
 
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But we'll never know what happened with Solyndra...

No we wont...


Solyndra execs will decline to testify at hearing


Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:26pm GMT

Sept 20 (Reuters) - Solyndra LLC's chief executive and chief financial officer will invoke their Fifth Amendment rights and decline to answer any questions put to them at a Congressional hearing on Friday, according to letters from their attorneys obtained by Reuters.

In the letters sent to the House Energy and Commerce Committee's Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, attorneys for Solyndra CEO Brian Harrison and CFO W. G. Stover said they advised their clients not to provide testimony during the hearings.

The bankrupt company's $535 million federal loan guarantee is being investigated by the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

Harrison is represented by Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe and Stover is represented by Keker & Van Nest.

Solyndra's offices were raided by the FBI two days after the company filed for bankruptcy, although the FBI did not say what prompted the raid. (Reporting by Nichola Groom in Los Angeles, editing by Gerald E. McCormick)

http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFS1E78J1KE20110920
 
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No we wont...


Solyndra execs will decline to testify at hearing


Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:26pm GMT

Sept 20 (Reuters) - Solyndra LLC's chief executive and chief financial officer will invoke their Fifth Amendment rights and decline to answer any questions put to them at a Congressional hearing on Friday, according to letters from their attorneys obtained by Reuters.

In the letters sent to the House Energy and Commerce Committee's Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, attorneys for Solyndra CEO Brian Harrison and CFO W. G. Stover said they advised their clients not to provide testimony during the hearings.

The bankrupt company's $535 million federal loan guarantee is being investigated by the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

Harrison is represented by Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe and Stover is represented by Keker & Van Nest.

Solyndra's offices were raided by the FBI two days after the company filed for bankruptcy, although the FBI did not say what prompted the raid. (Reporting by Nichola Groom in Los Angeles, editing by Gerald E. McCormick)

http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFS1E78J1KE20110920


Honestly speaking I would be pleading the fifth in a GOP congressional witch hunt as well.

The whole point of this is fir political points ,not to find out what really happened or to protect the American people.

FIF


now investigate their ass criminally and if there is something to charge them with CHARGE em.

all that congressional hearing shit is for the cameras
 
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Just another attempt to embarrass the President. They can't find a Monica Lewinsky so they are pulling this tactic.

Solyndra is under FBI investigation. Why would they testify in front of Congress? Everything they say would be admissible.


source: Boston Herald

Solyndra executives won’t testify before House panel


SAN JOSE, Calif. — The top executives at bankrupt solar manufacturer Solyndra Inc. plan to invoke their Fifth Amendment rights and refuse to answer questions when they appear at a congressional hearing Friday.

Brian Harrison, Solyndra’s CEO, and W.G. "Bill" Stover, the company’s chief financial officer, have voluntarily agreed to appear before the House Energy and Commerce Committee and had previously assured Congressional staffers that they would testify.

Attorneys for both Harrison and Stover sent letters Tuesday to Reps. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., and Diana DeGette, D-Colo., informing them of their clients’ plans to remain silent because of the highly publicized FBI raid of Solyndra’s offices and the ongoing criminal investigation by the Department of Justice. Copies of the two letters were obtained by the San Jose Mercury News.

"This is not a decision arrived at lightly, but it is a decision dictated by current circumstances. On September 8, 2011, federal agents executed a search warrant at Solyndra’s facilities. Moreover, the United States Department of Justice has initiated an investigation into Solyndra," wrote San Francisco attorney Walter F. Brown Jr. of Orrick Herrington & Sutcliffe.

"In light of these circumstances, I had no choice but to advise Mr. Harrison to assert his Fifth Amendment rights in response to any questions posed by the Subcommittee. While I have instructed my client not to testify at the hearing, it would be a mistake to infer anything from this other than that it is the act of a prudent lawyer who is newly engaged to represent a witness in ongoing government investigations."

The Solyndra saga has riveted Washington, and the House Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations is looking into the Fremont, Calif., company’s $535 million loan guarantee from the Department of Energy and subsequent bankruptcy and raid by the FBI.

Solyndra, its investors and individual executives have retained top-shelf lawyers as the company, once the Obama administration’s poster child for the promise of green jobs, juggles a thorny bankruptcy proceeding, a widening Congressional investigation and a criminal probe into potential fraud.

McDermott Will & Emery is representing Solyndra in the Congressional hearings. The firm’s top attorney in the Solyndra case, former Republican Gov. of Massachusetts William F. Weld, charges a standard rate of $825 an hour, according to papers filed in bankruptcy court last week.

Pachulski Stang is representing Solyndra in the bankruptcy proceedings, while Gibson Dunn & Crutcher is representing Argonaut, Solyndra’s largest investor.

Solyndra first applied for an energy department loan guarantee in 2006, when George W. Bush was president, but its $535 million loan guarantee was not awarded until 2009, after President Barack Obama took office. It was the first company to be financed by the federal stimulus plan, and Obama gave a high-profile speech at the company’s Fremont plant in May 2010.

Officials from the Department of Energy’s Loan Guarantee Office and the Office of Management and Budget testified before the House committee Sept. 14, and Solyndra’s top executives were expected to appear Friday. Harrison, who became Solyndra’s CEO in July 2010, made a highly publicized trip to Washington, D.C. earlier this summer, in which he assured members of Congress that the company was on track to double revenue this year.

The House committee plans to go forward with Friday’s hearing even though Harrison and Stover will not testify.

"Both Mr. Stover and Mr. Harrison will be sworn in under oath this Friday," said a statement issued by the committee Tuesday. "We have many questions for Solyndra’s executives on their dealings with the Obama administration, their efforts to secure federal support for a project that appeared doomed from the outset, and why they made certain representations to Congress regarding their dire financial situation just two months ago.

"We would encourage Mr. Harrison and Mr. Stover to reconsider this effort to dodge questions under oath and hide the truth from those American taxpayers who are now on the hook for their $500 million bust."

Of course Rove refused to testify in 2008.

source: CNN

Rove ignores committee's subpoena, refuses to testify

<!-- Module ends: article-header-->Karl Rove, President Bush's longtime political guru, refused to obey an order to testify before a House Judiciary Committee hearing Thursday.

Rove's lawyer asserted that Rove was "immune" from the subpoena the committee had issued, arguing that the committee could not compel him to testify due to "executive privilege."

The panel is investigating allegations that Rove and his White House allies dismissed U.S. attorneys and prosecuted officials who they saw as political opponents.

The panel subpoenaed Rove in May after his lawyer, Robert D. Luskin, made clear the former White House deputy chief of staff would not appear voluntarily.

How soon they forget. You are fool if you give the current form of republicans another chance at the White house!<!-- Module ends: article-text-1-->
 
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The Chevy Volt is the automotive Solyndra! :D
 
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A recent Reuters' article points out that the auto industry is relying on fleets to support sales of plug-in vehicles like the Chevy Volt. In a nutshell, this means that government agencies (along with cronies at GE) will use taxpayer funds to purchase Chevy Volts that have been widely rejected by retail consumers. All to support a vehicle that was developed using billions of dollars of that same taxpayer money. Not even the most naïve, green energy supporting apologist for the Volt can legitimately debate that the car is not profitable for General Motors. Former car czar, Steven Rattner, admitted that the vehicle had "commercial clay feet" and would not be profitable for GM in the foreseeable future...

:smh:

Why can't the govt just allow people to decide what they wanna drive instead imposing failure?
 
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A recent Reuters' article points out that the auto industry is relying on fleets to support sales of plug-in vehicles like the Chevy Volt. In a nutshell, this means that government agencies (along with cronies at GE) will use taxpayer funds to purchase Chevy Volts that have been widely rejected by retail consumers. All to support a vehicle that was developed using billions of dollars of that same taxpayer money. Not even the most naïve, green energy supporting apologist for the Volt can legitimately debate that the car is not profitable for General Motors. Former car czar, Steven Rattner, admitted that the vehicle had "commercial clay feet" and would not be profitable for GM in the foreseeable future...

:smh:

Why can't the govt just allow people to decide what they wanna drive instead imposing failure?

The government is purchasing more than 100 Chevy Volts and is paying $38,500 for each one,

The purchase is part of the government’s ambitious plan to have more than 1 million electric cars on the road by 2015. The U.S. government expects GM to sell around 500,000 Volts by 2015 and Nissan to sell 300,000 Leafs by 2015.

Why can't the govt just allow people to decide what they wanna drive instead imposing failure?


You are iincapable of understanding that the free market ain't free.

China defends its subsidies against US complaint


Why are you paid to post?
 
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You are iincapable of understanding that the free market ain't free.

China defends its subsidies against US complaint


Why are you paid to post?


:yes:
There seem to be people that want to emulate China in other ways but don't want to in situations like this. China's first priority is to putting money in their people's pockets (even if it's just to keep them from protesting and making demands again) and fuck what competitor nations think. We need a lot of that here. In that Lamarr, with his being against the "free trade" deal like NAFTA, is correct.
 
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:yes:
There seem to be people that want to emulate China in other ways but don't want to in situations like this. China's first priority is to putting money in their people's pockets (even if it's just to keep them from protesting and making demands again) and fuck what competitor nations think. We need a lot of that here. In that Lamarr, with his being against the "free trade" deal like NAFTA, is correct.

Case in point...


We should RE-learn the basics of capitalism 101 from the Chinese.
Work, save, invest and go back to work and repeat the whole cycle over and over again.
THAT is capitalism.
 
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You are iincapable of understanding that the free market ain't free.

China defends its subsidies against US complaint

So the US is complaining that they are uncompetitive?

That may be my point! Why are we pursuing Solyndra ventures so vigorously if we know we can't compete. We keep throwing good money away on unproductive endeavors. WHY?

I'm sorry if I offend some posters but why would these fools make a product for $6 and then try to sell it at $3? Hell, Bush even rejected this.....and we know how "smart" he was. :hmm:
 
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Some people argue against themselves in an attempt to win an unwinnable point.
 
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Some people argue against themselves in an attempt to win an unwinnable point.


If I may use a term from another poster; typical Lamarr!
 
Re: Solyndra loan: White House pressed on review of solar company now under investiga

So the US is complaining that they are uncompetitive?

That may be my point! Why are we pursuing Solyndra ventures so vigorously if we know we can't compete. We keep throwing good money away on unproductive endeavors. WHY?

I'm sorry if I offend some posters but why would these fools make a product for $6 and then try to sell it at $3? Hell, Bush even rejected this.....and we know how "smart" he was. :hmm:


Private American firms like Solyndra can't compete against Chinese companies AND the Chinese government but there is, for some reason based more on philosophy than reality, political resistance to the American government backing American companies.
 
Re: Solyndra loan: White House pressed on review of solar company now under investiga

I can't believe y'all blamin the Chinese because we are uncompetitive :smh:

It reminds me of Geithner accusing the Chinese of currency manipulation after Bernanke announces another round of Quantitative Easing

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Re: Solyndra loan: White House pressed on review of solar company now under investiga

I can't believe y'all blamin the Chinese because we are uncompetitive :smh:

The corporatists made us uncompetitive.


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Re: Solyndra loan: White House pressed on review of solar company now under investiga

The corporatists made us uncompetitive.

what about "hope & change"?

Oh......I see, Pres Obama can issue an Executive Order to drop bombs on Libya but won't lift a finger to repeal NAFTA, reinstate Glass-Steagall or incentivize domestic production!
 
Re: Solyndra loan: White House pressed on review of solar company now under investiga

Private American firms like Solyndra can't compete against Chinese companies AND the Chinese government but there is, for some reason based more on philosophy than reality, political resistance to the American government backing American companies.

I missed this one.

There should be resistance to the govt backing American companies. Simply because it has been proven over and over that they do not allocate resources in a productive manner, they allocate resources in a way to secure votes in the next election (Reps. & Dems). The less govt intervention in the economy, the better off the people of this country are. (16 stimulus plans over the last 10 years!)

If we know China holds an unfair competitive advantage, we don't have to trade with them. For the longest, we didn't trade because they were a communist country with human rights issues........What changed?


I FOUND THIS


In the late 1990s, Washington was a sharply divided political city, but there was a growing consensus on one big issue. Most Republicans and Democrats agreed that trade with China would be a boon for America.

President Clinton summed up the mainstream consensus in Washington with a message to Congress in the spring of 2000. In a letter circulated to House members, he wrote, "China with more than a billion people is home to the largest potential market in the world… If Congress makes the right decision, our companies will be able to sell and distribute products in China made by American workers on American soil, without being forced to relocate manufacturing to China. …We will be able to export products without exporting jobs."

On Capitol Hill, legislation to normalize trade with China got overwhelming bipartisan support in the Senate, where it passed, 83 votes to 15. Even in the House, where Democrats were split on the issue, the president received support from three-quarters of the Republicans, and the legislation passed by a wide margin, 237 to 197.

President Clinton signed the legislation at the White House in early October, and China joined the WTO 14 months later, on Dec. 11, 2001.
 
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