Republicans blink, McConnell proposes surrenders on debt ceiling
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If you say so
He better think about 2012 before accepting such a deal.
This is Obama we're talking about. He's been thinking about 2012 since at least 2010.
Exactly
Again, blame for what? What negative thing can happen if he takes this deal that would look bad on the administration? He would raise the debt ceiling, something they do all the time. Heated rhetoric? We've had that for his entire term so how would it be different after this?
Someone finish this sentence
"If Obama accepts this deal, they could blame him for..."
There is literally no chance that the debt ceiling won't be raised.... this is why negotiations with the Republicans on significant deficit reductions doesn't make any sense at all. McConnell has no real leverage... why negotiate?
Because the Republicans have had the advantage in messaging for 30+ years and smart Democrats have to look like they're the "adults" in the room while the GOP go further and further to the Right. The only way the Democrats can win back the conversation is to let the Republicans expose themselves as anti-middle class and pro-wealthy barons who need the write off corporate jets while the ship jobs overseas.
I see your point but Republicans have already amply exposed themselves as such. The people who can't see it will never see it (either because they're dumb as a bag of rocks or because they're so ideologically committed that they no longer have anything to do with reality).
There are other ways to shore up the messaging problems the DNC has.... putting SS and Medicaid on the table isn't one of them. If Dems are serious about being an actual alternative to the GOP on policy issues they need to find their balls...... I'm sick of their weakness.
I see your point but Republicans have already amply exposed themselves as such. The people who can't see it will never see it (either because they're dumb as a bag of rocks or because they're so ideologically committed that they no longer have anything to do with reality).
There are other ways to shore up the messaging problems the DNC has.... putting SS and Medicaid on the table isn't one of them. If Dems are serious about being an actual alternative to the GOP on policy issues they need to find their balls...... I'm sick of their weakness.
To you and me, they've exposed themselves but there are still people who think they have good points and need to see how much bullshit is really behind those good points.
I doubt he ever had SS/Medicare/Medicaid on the table but he and his people "leaked" that it was and marshaled all the heat on the Left in Congress that made that impossible to get the necessary votes on while he still comes off as "I'm willing to give up some sacred cows while they walked away to protect corporate jet tax breaks".
People need to stop underestimating Obama.
Interesting perspective. I don't know man.... the Dems have a real messaging/communications deficit that needs addressing. This may win them some independents if it all pans out as you say but it will definitely cost them some of the base. Putting SS and Medicaid up as bargaining chips was completely unnecessary i mo(even if it was a strategic move).
Anyways...
Obama is going to win 2012.... that's a foregone conclusion. I mean Romney? Bachmann?!!
I agree. It's because of their own inability to get their message out (though some blame goes to the corporate, truly Right leaning mass media) that puts them in a position where they have to play these type of machinations.
"If Obama accepts this deal, they could blame him for capitulating once again." - That being his base
"If Obama accepts this deal, they could blame him for cutting spending/entitlements on programs that had a direct/indirect negative effect on the economy or the American people" - That being the republicans
First and foremost a proposal is not a deal. What McConnell is putting forth is a proposal, not a deal. Secondly, Obama has already stated numerous times that he won't agree to any temporary measures to increase the debt ceiling (regardless of who puts it forth) and that is in essence what this McConnell proposal does. It kicks the can down the road into next year and that being an election year, I highly doubt Obama wants to be dealing with nonsense while in full campaign mode. Third, this proposal is a this for that situation and doesn't even bring up tax increases on the rich which Obama has been clamoring the republicans hard to acquiesce on but to no avail.
Again, you don't call someones bluff like Obama did to the repubs and think he's just going to take the first thing a republican senator throws out there.
The base on either side is never happy.
So did you all enjoy the show?
Absolutely.... isn't it hilarious when conservatives foam at the mouth about the "liberal media"? WTF?!! All our news media is owned by like 6 multinational corps..... you idiots
No doubt.
First, thank you for finishing the sentence so I could get an idea of what people were talking about when it came to "blame".
But really, how can he be said to capitulating if he doesn't make any cuts to SS/Medicare/Medicaid?
The Republicans are going to say whatever they want so fuck them.
I agree. He's probably not going to take this because he doesnt want to be dealing with this during the real campaign season. But this is a far different scenario than was painted by some when they really thought SS and such were on the table.
I did, actually. Thanks for asking.
Absolutely.... isn't it hilarious when conservatives foam at the mouth about the "liberal media"? WTF?!! All our news media is owned by like 6 multinational corps..... you idiots
Yes and "conservative" commentators are everywhere even the fucking "View" while liberals are lucky to get on MSNBC at night.
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The updates are making me appreciate Barry even more. I think Obama is going in on the kill towards the Republican brand. You have Cantor openly shitting on Boehner, Mitch saying that Republicans are going to lose this battle by a lot or by a fucking lot.
Miserable 
Cracker!
You are the greatest Obama sycophant in the world. How did the Republicans tap out when "this permission" is conditioned on "equal spending cuts" but no tax increase of any kind? This shit is a straight jacket. Obama gets to cut the deficit on the backs of the poor and the Republicans have nothing to do with it...
He is not a coward. He just told Obama to choke himself and the Republicans would not stop him. How do you tell Obama to raise the deficit ceiling on the backs of the poor and that is a good thing? There are no tax increases in this proposal so it still amounts to the same Republican bullshit.McConnell is a COWARD!
And why are the Republicoons talking about balanced budgets? if you are in a deficit you need a Surplus budget... meaning, increase revenues and reduce cost son...
How da hell did Americans vote in some many Republicoons?
reagan raised the debt ceiling 17 times during 8 yrs... and raised taxes 7 out of 8 yrs in office.
but reagan in their 'hero.'
Obama is gonna kill the Democrats. That is what happens when a Democratic president cut taxes for the rich and cut the social welfare of the poor.
Upgrade knows very little.reagan raised the debt ceiling 17 times during 8 yrs... and raised taxes 7 out of 8 yrs in office.
but reagan in their 'hero.'
Obama is an idiot. When you are in a depression, you spend money to climb out it, period. When the Democrats did that in 2009, the economy began to recover. Obama who only respects independents began to sing the "deficits" song and put the Democrats who voted for the spending in peril, and they lost the midterms. Now, the spending has reached such a crescendo that it is about to put Obama in a straight jacket. He is in trouble.
Obama is an idiot. When you are in a depression, you spend money to climb out it, period. When the Democrats did that in 2009, the economy began to recover. Obama who only respects independents began to sing the "deficits" song and put the Democrats who voted for the spending in peril, and they lost the midterms. Now, the spending has reached such a crescendo that it is about to put Obama in a straight jacket. He is in trouble.
Dave thats the underlying problem with these coons in here now they the same niggas who underestimated Obama when he announced he was running for president.
McConnoll, cantoe, bonner, and the repugs... Obama got all them niggas looking like clowns and he has been ever since he took office.
Cosign....
I told you muthaf#ckas that Obama is playing these suckas.....
This man is on another level.....
Like Lawrence O Donell said....when the Somali pirates held the dude hostage....Obama ordered death without batting an eye....
this shit is a lose lose no matter how you fuckin slice it. Republicans don't wanna give in to Obama because it could cost them their seat in Congress come re-election.....and if they do give in, it pretty much guarantees Obama re-election to the White House. I'm just sittin here doin some number crunchin and this shit is just sad......
Obama's plan is to cut the nation's debt by $1.1 trillion over 10 years. Hell we spend that much in one year. And if you look at the history of this shit in the past 10 years, (starting when Bush was in office)....it doesn't look any better.
Raising the debt ceiling is called "house cleaning" They have done this 74 times before. Now there's a problem?
Here are the increases that were signed into law during George W. Bush's time as President of the United States:
P.L. 107-199
June 28th, 2002
New Limit: $6.4 trillion
Increase in Limit: $450 billion
P.L. 108-24
May 27th, 2003
New Limit: $7.384 trillion
Increase in Limit: $984 billion
P.L. 108-415
November 19th, 2004
New Limit: $8.184 trillion
Increase in Limit: $800 billion
P.L. 109-182
March 20th, 2006
New Limit: $8.965 trillion
Increase in Limit: $781 billion
P.L. 110-91
September 29th, 2007
New Limit: $9.815 trillion
Increase in Limit: $850 billion
P.L. 110-289
July 30th, 2008
New Limit: $10.615 trillion
Increase in Limit: $800 billion
P.L. 110-343
October 3rd, 2008
New Limit: $11.315 trillion
Increase in Limit: $700 billion
And check out the following companies that paid ZERO in federal taxes:
Exxon Mobil - Profits: $45 billion
GE - Profits: $10.3 billion
Wells Fargo - Profits: $12 billion
Bank of America - Profits: $4.4 billion
Boeing - Profits: $7.7 billion (tax rebate of $4.7 billion)
fuckin pathetic........only in America.
Obama's plan is to cut the nation's debt by $1.1 trillion over 10 years. Hell we spend that much in one year. And if you look at the history of this shit in the past 10 years, (starting when Bush was in office)....it doesn't look any better.
Raising the debt ceiling is called "house cleaning" They have done this 74 times before. Now there's a problem?
Here are the increases that were signed into law during George W. Bush's time as President of the United States:
P.L. 107-199
June 28th, 2002
New Limit: $6.4 trillion
Increase in Limit: $450 billion
P.L. 108-24
May 27th, 2003
New Limit: $7.384 trillion
Increase in Limit: $984 billion
P.L. 108-415
November 19th, 2004
New Limit: $8.184 trillion
Increase in Limit: $800 billion
P.L. 109-182
March 20th, 2006
New Limit: $8.965 trillion
Increase in Limit: $781 billion
P.L. 110-91
September 29th, 2007
New Limit: $9.815 trillion
Increase in Limit: $850 billion
P.L. 110-289
July 30th, 2008
New Limit: $10.615 trillion
Increase in Limit: $800 billion
P.L. 110-343
October 3rd, 2008
New Limit: $11.315 trillion
Increase in Limit: $700 billion
And check out the following companies that paid ZERO in federal taxes:
Exxon Mobil - Profits: $45 billion
GE - Profits: $10.3 billion
Wells Fargo - Profits: $12 billion
Bank of America - Profits: $4.4 billion
Boeing - Profits: $7.7 billion (tax rebate of $4.7 billion)
fuckin pathetic........only in America.
NY Times said:
Twisted, soul-less, spineless, double talking, mother fuckers ....
politicians are scum, they stand for nothing - if you believe in something. stick by it!
instead they work for something if it "looks" good, but if the optics are shaky then its smoke and mirrors time
Why do you ever try me on this political shit? We've done this dance before and it always, ALWAYS, end up with me being right and you being wrong.
Allow me to educate you further
They pass the debt ceiling in return for some promised spending cut proposals later. There's no way to enforce that and even if he makes those proposals, which I'm sure he'd do in good faith being a Democrat, the Democrats in Congress would vote them down if they even ever came up to a vote. This has nothing to do with the deficit or the poor and Obama ends up with the clean debt ceiling vote he's been asking for since the beginning.
He was agreeing with me, dumbass. Either you didn't read it or you're reading comprehension is on some first grade level. Either way, you look stupid.
Who was the President in 2009? Who was the President that proposed and got the Recovery Act passed that year?
Just not even trying anymore, huh?
Obama is pulling a Mayweather to their Mosley and niggas still want to talk shit.
Funny, how Obama played the Republicans and played the liberal base. By "leaking" that SS/Medicare/Medicaid might be on the table, he got the so-called liberal establishment all abuzz and angry and shit which forced liberal Congressional members like Pelosi, Ellison, and Grijalva to stand up publicly and say they wouldn't vote for any such bill, making them get in the game instead of letting him do all the heavy lifting like they usually do. Dude worked everybody and is on the verge of getting what he wanted and giving them nothing.
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