Republicans blink, McConnell proposes surrenders on debt ceiling

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July 12, 2011, 4:13 PM
McConnell Proposal Gives Obama Power to Increase Debt Limit
By JACKIE CALMES

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Senators Mitch McConnell, left, and Jon Kyl, after a news conference at the Capitol, prepared to head to the White House on Tuesday after presenting a new plan for raising the debt ceiling.


The Senate Republican leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, said Tuesday that a bipartisan budget deal with President Obama was probably out of reach, and he proposed a plan under which the president could increase the federal debt limit without Congressional approval for offsetting spending cuts.

Mr. McConnell’s proposal reflected a growing sense of pessimism on Capitol Hill about the prospects that Mr. Obama and Congressional leaders could come to terms on a budget deal before the government’s borrowing authority hits its limit on Aug. 2. The negotiators sat down for another round of talks at the White House on Tuesday afternoon.

In an interview with CBS News, Mr. Obama said he “cannot guarantee” that the government can pay benefits next month to Social Security recipients, veterans and the disabled if Congress does not increase the federal debt limit, raising the political stakes even as Republicans hardened their opposition to him.

Mr. McConnell’s proposal would give Mr. Obama sweeping power to increase the government’s borrowing authority, in increments, by up to $2.4 trillion — enough, it is estimated, to cover federal obligations through next year — only if Mr. Obama specified spending cuts of equal amounts. But Congress would not have to approve the spending cuts prior to the debt-limit increase.

It is not clear whether House Republicans would sign on to such a measure, given their drive to extract deep spending cuts in return for any debt-limit increase.

Mr. McConnell, who after the midterm elections in November said Republicans’ goal would be to make Mr. Obama a one-term president, said in his Senate speech, “After years of discussions and months of negotiations, I have little question that as long as this president is in the Oval Office, a real solution is probably unattainable.”

At the White House, the press secretary, Jay Carney, responded, “This president’s going to be in office for at least another 18 months, and I think the American people expect Congress to work with him.”

With the Aug. 2 deadline for raising the government’s $14.3 trillion debt limit just three weeks away, Tuesday seemed to be a new low in the summer’s maneuvering between the White House and Congressional Republicans over a debt-reduction package that would clear the way for a vote on the debt limit. The back-and-forth had people in both parties nervously eyeing the financial markets, fretful that the political fighting would unnerve investors; to date, Wall Street has been generally complacent, believing that the White House and Congress ultimately will come to an agreement, if only because failing to do so would hold such economic peril.

Representatives of major business groups, including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Business Roundtable, put out public statements on Tuesday urging a bipartisan agreement on raising the debt limit. They had met with the Treasury secretary, Timothy F. Geithner, on Monday, and other business groups and individuals similarly have contacted the White House to volunteer help in reaching a compromise.

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg opened an unrelated event on Tuesday morning in New York by saying: “If America, for the first time in its history, defaults on its obligations, it would have a catastrophic effect on our financial system and on our credibility around the world. It would also take a serious toll on our economy, and that at a time when the nation is still trying to recover from the deep recession.”

“America’s good name and credit are just too important to be held hostage to Washington gridlock, and I hope that in the end cooler heads will prevail and an agreement will be reached quickly,” Mr. Bloomberg added.

In advance of what have become daily White House meetings, Congressional Republican leaders stood firm against raising taxes on the wealthy and businesses after 2013, as Mr. Obama demands as part of a “balanced package” with deep spending cuts, including in Medicare and Medicaid.

Mr. Obama, responding to a question in an interview with CBS News, said: “I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on Aug. 3 if we haven’t resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it.”

He added, “This is not just a matter of Social Security checks. These are veterans’ checks, these are folks on disability and their checks. There are about 70 million checks that go out.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/...sal-gives-obama-power-to-increase-debt-limit/
 
Ill strategy, but watch them wicked fools, they will grant Obama the power to circumvent the house, then they will try to impeach him for over stepping the constitution


Or imagine if Obama is not re-elected (which is a possibility), this type of power in the hands of rick Perry or Michelle bachman

Shiiiit
 
so they're going to dress this up and act as if they're doing Obama a favor when in reality everyone on both sides already knew the debt ceiling would need to be raised because there is no other way to avoid the US from defaulting.
 
There was no way those fools would have allowed the country default. Wall street won't allow them to.
 
There was no way those fools would have allowed the country default. Wall street won't allow them to.
 
avoiding responsibility so if anything goes wrong it all falls on Obama, I wonder how voters feel to know they voted such a coward in office
 
avoiding responsibility so if anything goes wrong it all falls on Obama, I wonder how voters feel to know they voted such a coward in office

Thank you. I can't believe nobody else saw through McConnells bullshit. You think McConnell, of all politicians, would give Obama a W like that. Fuck no. In essence what McConnell is doing is putting the onus back on Obama with stipulations attached therefore relieving Republicans of responsibility and making Obama take the fall should shit go drastically wrong. Again the telling part was:

Mr. McConnell’s proposal would give Mr. Obama sweeping power to increase the government’s borrowing authority, in increments, by up to $2.4 trillion — enough, it is estimated, to cover federal obligations through next year — only if Mr. Obama specified spending cuts of equal amounts. But Congress would not have to approve the spending cuts prior to the debt-limit increase.

Read between the line folks
 
Just to let you know people, Obama really doesn't need congress to deal with the debt. He could modify some of the spending so this debt limit can be avoided. Plenty of other Presidents have done that before. Hell, Reagan was the master of it.
 
Ill strategy, but watch them wicked fools, they will grant Obama the power to circumvent the house, then they will try to impeach him for over stepping the constitution


Or imagine if Obama is not re-elected (which is a possibility), this type of power in the hands of rick Perry or Michelle bachman

Shiiiit

They're going to make it a law so there's no overstepping. They're willing to do this so Obama doesn't go by Article IV, Section I in the Constitution to do it himself to protect the full faith and credit of the country.

Perry and Bachmann, particulary Bachmann, are non factors and will never be President. Unlike Bush, neither of them know how to appear moderate.

Obama rope a dope they asses.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


Yep. This is a tap out by McConnell and doesn't come with the SS/Medicare/Medicaid cuts that got some folks all hot and bothered.

Thank you. I can't believe nobody else saw through McConnells bullshit. You think McConnell, of all politicians, would give Obama a W like that. Fuck no. In essence what McConnell is doing is putting the onus back on Obama with stipulations attached therefore relieving Republicans of responsibility and making Obama take the fall should shit go drastically wrong. Again the telling part was:



Read between the line folks

Read them. Obama's not going to agree to anything that goes up to the election and the debt ceiling has to be raised by Aug 2. That talk about cuts will be off into the future and, as I've been saying for more than two years here, no Democratic President is going to cut SS/Medicare while in office. It's political suicide for him and his party.
 
Just to let you know people, Obama really doesn't need congress to deal with the debt. He could modify some of the spending so this debt limit can be avoided. Plenty of other Presidents have done that before. Hell, Reagan was the master of it.

I guess bush 2 should have did that when he raised it 7times while he was POTUS?:rolleyes:
 
Just to let you know people, Obama really doesn't need congress to deal with the debt. He could modify some of the spending so this debt limit can be avoided. Plenty of other Presidents have done that before. Hell, Reagan was the master of it.

Of course, he raised the debt limit many times in his administration. Don't forget to tell that part.
 
Just to let you know people, Obama really doesn't need congress to deal with the debt. He could modify some of the spending so this debt limit can be avoided. Plenty of other Presidents have done that before. Hell, Reagan was the master of it.

I guess bush 2 should have did that when he raised it 7times while he was POTUS?:rolleyes:

Of course, he raised the debt limit many times in his administration. Don't forget to tell that part.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

The champion of all over the past 60 years? What a surprise to learn that during the conservative Ronald Reagan's administrations, the national debt limit was increased 17 times.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-stat...-10-15-times-no-he-raised-i/question-1933821/
 
They're going to make it a law so there's no overstepping. They're willing to do this so Obama doesn't go by Article IV, Section I in the Constitution to do it himself to protect the full faith and credit of the country.

Who says so. McConnell is suggesting that this be a last option and we both know the repubs in the house aren't even gonna go along with it. McConnell needs to STFU and go sit down somewhere. Obama knows that there is snake oil McConnell is proposing and is probably going to avoid it.




Yep. This is a tap out by McConnell and doesn't come with the SS/Medicare/Medicaid cuts that got some folks all hot and bothered.



Read them. Obama's not going to agree to anything that goes up to the election and the debt ceiling has to be raised by Aug 2. That talk about cuts will be off into the future and, as I've been saying for more than two years here, no Democratic President is going to cut SS/Medicare while in office. It's political suicide for him and his party.

At this point, this whole debt ceiling scenario has become nothing more than political gamesmanship to me. All three sides, the congressional Repubs, the congressional dems, and Obama are calling eachothers bluff. If its all for show as snark said then all those mofos need to be beat up side the head for unnecessarily dragging this country through this drama. But if Aug. 2 comes and no deal has been reached (which seems likely the case at this juncture), every side is posturing themselves to take the least brunt of the blame if shit does hit the fan.
 
At this point, this whole debt ceiling scenario has become nothing more than political gamesmanship to me. All three sides, the congressional Repubs, the congressional dems, and Obama are calling eachothers bluff. If its all for show as snark said then all those mofos need to be beat up side the head for unnecessarily dragging this country through this drama. But if Aug. 2 comes and no deal has been reached (which seems likely the case at this juncture), every side is posturing themselves to take the least brunt of the blame if shit does hit the fan.


It's been political gamesmanship from the moment they wanted to link the debt ceiling to spending cuts.

It has to be done before Aug 2. The bill has to be signed by then and it's going to take time to hammer out details and get the votes in both Houses of Congress. When Obama said they had 9 days (and that was a couple days ago) that's what he meant. They can't be agreeing to to it on Aug 1 and expect to get it done by the 2nd.
 
If the POTUS falls for this, all blame will be placed on him. :smh:

There's nothing to fall for. This is a tap out by McConnell with him trying to throw some shit out there to save face. Now that they've publicly given Obama the upper hand, I expect to see him push them further.




You're misunderstanding what McConnell is proposing and he's talked to Boehner and Cantor about this. This is how we get the ceiling raised but they can still talk that bullshit to their constituents while getting none of the cuts they say they want.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/the-big-blink-mcconnell-proposes-giving-obama-authority-to-raise-debt-limit-alone.php
 
Blame for what?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/13/debt.talks/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

With McConnell's proposal, POTUS is given the power to raise the debt limit.

Every time the debt ceiling has to be raised, POTUS has to present spending cuts (equal to the debt limit raise), and Congress votes on those cuts.

If Congress refuses the spending cuts proposed by POTUS, he can then veto, and raise debt limit anyways. All blame will therefore lie on Obama and the GOP gets no blame at all. :smh:
 
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/13/debt.talks/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

With McConnell's proposal, POTUS is given the power to raise the debt limit.

Every time the debt ceiling has to be raised, POTUS has to present spending cuts (equal to the debt limit raise), and Congress votes on those cuts.

If Congress refuses the spending cuts proposed by POTUS, he can then veto, and raise debt limit anyways. All blame will therefore lie on Obama and the GOP gets no blame at all. :smh:

Blame for what? Raising the debt limit?
 
Blame for what? Raising the debt limit?

Yes. Republicans will continue with the stupid "Big Government" rhetoric. :smh:

Apart from that, with this option, there is no mention of tax increases on the wealthy :smh:

Republicans know exactly what they are doing, and the Democrats should not accept this at all.

And in my opinion, we need ti really find ways to have spending cuts. We cannot always and continually just resort to raising the debt limit. Spending has to be reduced :smh:
 
Yes. Republicans will continue with the stupid "Big Government" rhetoric. :smh:

Apart from that, with this option, there is no mention of tax increases on the wealthy :smh:

Republicans know exactly what they are doing, and the Democrats should not accept this at all.

That's not going to change. They've beent talking that shit for 40 years.

This isn't really about tax increases just like it isn't about cuts to SS/Medicare/Medicaid. The President wanted a clean bill and this is the closest he's gotten to it yet.
This isn't the absolute best deal but it's a long way towards getting there.

Obama is winning.
 
It's been political gamesmanship from the moment they wanted to link the debt ceiling to spending cuts.

It has to be done before Aug 2. The bill has to be signed by then and it's going to take time to hammer out details and get the votes in both Houses of Congress. When Obama said they had 9 days (and that was a couple days ago) that's what he meant. They can't be agreeing to to it on Aug 1 and expect to get it done by the 2nd.

Yep. I think Obama said July 22 is the date congress had to decide and vote on legislation so the details could be laid out and he signs it into law by Aug. 2

There's nothing to fall for. This is a tap out by McConnell with him trying to throw some shit out there to save face. Now that they've publicly given Obama the upper hand, I expect to see him push them further.




You're misunderstanding what McConnell is proposing and he's talked to Boehner and Cantor about this. This is how we get the ceiling raised but they can still talk that bullshit to their constituents while getting none of the cuts they say they want.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/the-big-blink-mcconnell-proposes-giving-obama-authority-to-raise-debt-limit-alone.php

Again. I have to agree to disagree because McConnell making this announcement makes no sense. McConnell is known as the main GOP member to want Obama out of office by any means necessary so I don't believe he was saying that just to save face. I like Obama's strategy right now and it seems to have the republicans off balance for the moment being but these are republicans we are talking about. Some of the most ruthless bastards known to man. They don't do or say shit to just save face. Fuck no. I dont think highly of their intelligence level but I do believe McConnell, Boehner, and Cantor got some shit up their sleeve. Thats why I said if Obama is smart he needs to assess that comment with extreme caution. The proposal would give him the upperhand but the risk of a negative reaction/effect would have most of the blame shifted to him. If this were a game of poker, yeah Obama has the upperhand at the moment and is calling bluffs, but neither me, you, or any other person can say with assurance that Obama's hand is strong enough to beat the odds if the circumstances (economy,etc) get worse.
 
Yes. Republicans will continue with the stupid "Big Government" rhetoric. :smh:

Apart from that, with this option, there is no mention of tax increases on the wealthy :smh:

Republicans know exactly what they are doing, and the Democrats should not accept this at all.

Whatever they say the fault belongs to the stupid people listening. The Department of Homeland defense was the biggest increase in government in my lifetime and that was done under Bush but nobody seems to know that.

Again this is misrepresented. There was no tax increase from the beginning. It was a rollback of the supposedly temporary Bush tax plan. They just want to put taxes back to the pre Bush era. They also want to get rid of subsidies that are not needed. Hedge fund operators, oil companies, Luxery yachts and private jets.

on a side note I guess the reason the Republicans always want to cut education first is that they have very good results from having a stupid populace .
 
That's not going to change. They've beent talking that shit for 40 years.

This isn't really about tax increases just like it isn't about cuts to SS/Medicare/Medicaid. The President wanted a clean bill and this is the closest he's gotten to it yet.
This isn't the absolute best deal but it's a long way towards getting there.

Obama is winning.

If you say so :smh:

He better think about 2012 before accepting such a deal.
 
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